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So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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Terrible music quality or volume?
Of course coming from the number 1 as smartphone audio I have found a lack of volume and warmth on the G4, but I think it's fixable using apps like V4A, no?
I came from the m8 to the g4 so not quite the same comparison.
Please bare in mind that there is mention of the latest firmware update in the g4 general thread with people suggesting it fixes the touch screen issues.
I'm not sure about BT but I don't think it does auto connect from my limited BT use.
Overall I would say this is a great phone, but I would also add that I found that ease of install and quantity of roms was much better with the m8.. This may come with time but hinges on getting the bootloader unlocked...
My Bluetooth auto connects when I get in my car everyday.
I've been using Dolby and its improved it a lot. However sound is still disappointing, at some point I'll try viper but I'm lazy and haven't flashed it yet.
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But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
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Will you be getting the H815 variant ? check out the G4 videos in this channel
You can also talk to your fellow country man, XDA staff, riro
in general somebody complaining about lag.
- was a nexus user ? ignore
- was a htc or xperia user on a tricked out rom ? ignore
- some random wierd **** ? G4 locked to a carrier ? which carrier ? ignore because they get updates much later.
- is a unlocked or intl. variant...listen then decide if you can live with it.
problems have been addressed with updates, this is the same old with every device when it comes out, some stink is created and then it gets (mostly) fixed but the comments and videos remain on the internet for ever (!) course these people move on to other devices but always repeat their outdated experiences.
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
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why not wait and see if another swap offer comes up.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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If i understood you right....this strikes me as a setting, BT autoconnecting means it keeps searching every few minutes. if you set it to try only once when you switch BT on it will be better for battery.
Since you are swapping why not ask the seller to come over and try with your car.
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should I swap my m9 with G4 or keep it?
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vegetaleb said:
So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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THe latest update fixes touch issues. The phone will fix your camera, temp and screen issue no doubt. For my personal use I have no issue with the audio but I am not picky. The phone itself is pretty good and from what I see after the update it is near perfect. I for one am still excited to see the moto x and the nexus but the G4 is still pretty great.
Having came from an M8, to an S6, to a G4, I can personally say this phone is superior to all of them for numerous reasons.
1. Screen size/quality (LG > HTC) (LG == S6)
2. Audio is really good in my opinion (LG > S6) (LG == OR < M8/M9)
3.Removeable battery & SD Card, allowing for bigger batteries and extras alongside more storage cheap
4. Generally very fast, maybe not as fast as an M9 without a custom ROM but superior to Sammy devices by miles.
5. Stock experience is one of the best out there, vastly superior to TouchWiz on Sammy devices
6. Variety of custom back covers for the device (e.g leather, metal, plastic, varied colors, probably more from 3rd parties)
7. Camera is phenomenal, HUGE upgrade over M8/M9.
8, 9, 10 & 11 million. More than I can think of right now.
Also in my experience I have no problems with the touchscreen or anything else that was substantial enough to break the phone for me.
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I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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I read on many reviews that M9 is faster than G4. Did felt that?
Im in doubt between M9 and G4. Bigger screen isnt a must for me, and I dont play games too much (so, overheat is not exactly a problem). I had a very nice time with M8. On the other hand, swappable battery and the camera lean me toward G4.
Confused.
Honestly I felt like the g4 was faster. My m9 was always heat throttled when I just browsed the web, I've heard they did updates to help so idk how it is now, but the m9 was just so laggy it was awful. But if you are leaning most on camera then the g4 or s6 are amazing.
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You convinced me to swap then!
I passed again to LG showroom today and tried the BT audio with my Sony sbh50, the volume was the same as on M9 BT, and when I installed Neutron...it was very loud without the muffling I get on the M9 + neutron + increased gain.
So I guess with V4A it will be perfect.
The screen of the G4 is so gorgeous! I could read all the text without problem very clearly while on the M9 the battery percentage is sometime foggy because of my astigmatism (know eyes problem with LCD)
Now I have to find a good deal
I have the same dilemma lol.
I'm wondering, is the G4 slippery with the plastic back? I think the leather back is more slippery because it's badly made.
My M9 is super slippery without a case and I can't stand the throttling or whatever it is. My Galaxy S5 runs faster and games run smoother (I tested both at the same time).
I'd buy the G4 from the carrier (it's cheap in Canada), because I want warranty with that phone, I don't trust its many issues.
Because of the on screen navigation buttons (I don't like them), the M9 is too small for me. But G4 is too big :/.
The overheating issues are very real with the M9 and replacement phones don't help. I had to fight with VZW for like 4 days to get into a new edge plan with the G4. Downside? Battery life is still pretty abysmal, but at least I can grab some extra batteries and switch it out if I need to. I am enjoying the G4 much more than the M9 even after just a week of having it.
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The overheating issues are very real with the M9 and replacement phones don't help. I had to fight with VZW for like 4 days to get into a new edge plan with the G4. Downside? Battery life is still pretty abysmal, but at least I can grab some extra batteries and switch it out if I need to. I am enjoying the G4 much more than the M9 even after just a week of having it.
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I checked CPU temps on my S5 and M9 after playing the same 3d game. The M9's max was at 43C while the S5 was around 62C. Now of course the M9 was warmer because of the metal but the screen was less warm compared to the S5.
The S5 runs hotter but the plastic helps. However, The S810 is terrible, slower than S801 and the Wi-Fi reception on the M9 isn't strong and doesn't work with some routers (it keeps disconnecting and connecting every 5 seconds, really bad). I don't have an issue with S801.
How is the Snapdragon 808 that the G4 has?
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I checked CPU temps on my S5 and M9 after playing the same 3d game. The M9's max was at 43C while the S5 was around 62C. Now of course the M9 was warmer because of the metal but the screen was less warm compared to the S5.
The S5 runs hotter but the plastic helps. However, The S810 is terrible, slower than S801 and the Wi-Fi reception on the M9 isn't strong and doesn't work with some routers (it keeps disconnecting and connecting every 5 seconds, really bad). I don't have an issue with S801.
How is the Snapdragon 808 that the G4 has?
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My M9 would reach upwards up 120f and at 115 it goes into timeout. Always during GPS usage and very minimal other operations. Even charging was causing issues. The processor in the G4 feels good, but I don't do any crazy gaming or benchmarking. I lasted about 1 day before I got annoyed and rooted it. Got xposed running on it today just fine. As time goes on I'll have a better idea, but in terms of everyday operations, no hiccups with anything. The power and volume keys on the back..I would call...not ideal. It isn't irritating but I would definitely prefer a more standard setup. Just something to note. The power button placement on the M9 sucked though.
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My M9 would reach upwards up 120f and at 115 it goes into timeout. Always during GPS usage and very minimal other operations. Even charging was causing issues. The processor in the G4 feels good, but I don't do any crazy gaming or benchmarking. I lasted about 1 day before I got annoyed and rooted it. Got xposed running on it today just fine. As time goes on I'll have a better idea, but in terms of everyday operations, no hiccups with anything. The power and volume keys on the back..I would call...not ideal. It isn't irritating but I would definitely prefer a more standard setup. Just something to note. The power button placement on the M9 sucked though.
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Just wait. After a month you'll realize that every phone should have buttons on the back.
If only it was a fingerprint scanner too
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gonzo237 said:
Just wait. After a month you'll realize that every phone should have buttons on the back.
If only it was a fingerprint scanner too
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I hope you're right! It's a bit cumbersome in the car mount. The thing that exacerbates the issue is the lack of a power off nav button option like the M9 had. I was hoping someone somehow made more nav button options with root but I haven't seen anything yet. I'm using screen off and lock now, but it's not present on all screens.
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I hope you're right! It's a bit cumbersome in the car mount. The thing that exacerbates the issue is the lack of a power off nav button option like the M9 had. I was hoping someone somehow made more nav button options with root but I haven't seen anything yet. I'm using screen off and lock now, but it's not present on all screens.
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You can also double tap the screen to wake, and double tap the status bar to sleep. I use greenify, which can be used without root, and have it override Google now, so when I drag up from the nav keys it just puts the screen to sleep
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You can also double tap the screen to wake, and double tap the status bar to sleep. I use greenify, which can be used without root, and have it override Google now, so when I drag up from the nav keys it just puts the screen to sleep
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Oh that last thing you mentioned sounds awesome. (sorry for hijacking this thread, but maybe this info will help the dude anyway) I do use the double tap to wake. I use greenify and I'll try that last suggestion. That sounds reliable. Thanks!
I don't know about you but my answer is NO. This thing did not live up to my expectations at all. The specs read like they are all premium but the device is low quality at best. Using the device is an actual nightmare. The camera is a blurry mess, the GPS never locks, the file system is crap and freezes up when you try to load things. I bought into the gimmick and I lost... Anybody want to buy this piece of junk for a low price so I can buy an iphone and just have something that works?
OH... the bluetooth constantly bugs out... another thing that annoys me every single day.
I like the phone just don't love it. My Pixel 2 XL still feels better when I pick it up. What chaps my hide is when my photos disappear or when my phone app just disappears when I'm talking to someone.
The 7T is just perfect. But I won't buy newer phones if they have display a la "Samsung Edge". I hate the curved one.
I found the 5T to be super premium build quality. It's amazing. The Pixel 2 XL I bought at the same time was absolute junk. It had a noticeably poorer build quality and a really bad OLED screen.
I am getting a 7T Friday and will see if they maintained the great build quality (although I had an 8 Pro I returned for a week and it had excellent build quality like my 5T). I can't see where the OP is coming from regarding it not feeling premium? Is it just an OS perspective? I only ran OOS on my 5T for a couple weeks before switching exclusively to AOSP.
Sorry but this is nonsense! your argument is vague and silly. what is "low quality"? I still have my oneplus one, the oneplus 3t, oneplus 5t, all working good and now a 7t, which looks great and is great....
Absolutely yes! I find my 7T is perfect and worthy for the price paid. I don't have any issues or hardware errors.
Rooted and using a custom kernel
I don't know actually. I find the OnePlus phones to be still very good, but I'm kinda disappointed on how the team is struggling to keep them updated since they began to release lot of phones every year.
Plus, I like the improvements they made with the camera on the new OP8 Pro, but I want a phone that is totally comparable to iPhones/Galaxy phone in that area if I have to spend 900+ euros.
The 7T is literally perfect.
This is my first OP phone and I'd say - yes. I hope there'll be new OP phone without curved display.
If they release reasonably priced phones with flat screens. The price for the 8-series is too much considering it's a tencent phone.
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If they release reasonably priced phones with flat screens. The price for the 8-series is too much considering it's a tencent phone.
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I would gladly pay $1000 for a flat screened 8 Pro. But it doesn't exist and the S20+, even ignoring the terrible OS skin, is $1350 from Samsung unlocked. That is just too much for basically the same phone and a crippled software experience. And the S20+ has a curved screen as well! Although not as bad as the 8/8 Pro.
I have been with OP for the last 3 months, 7T is my first OP. Feel happier than with the other chinese brand X (4 years with them).
I recommend the OP, but please no pop up camera and curve edge.
I have to agree with the OP.
I'm having the exact same issues they are. Since most are software related I was hoping updates and custom ROMs could fix,a real shame there isn't any development for this device
For me 7T is almost perfect. I love it. If only battery and average stock camera indoor pic were better. I love to tinker my phone so with gcam , camera issues are solved ?. Since I don't game , so battery is enough for me to last full day with 20% left. YMMV.
I went from OP2 to HTC U11 to OP7T. Have no regrets. Will purchase OP9T if there are no better alternative. I change my phone every 2 years.
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I have to agree with the OP.
I'm having the exact same issues they are. Since most are software related I was hoping updates and custom ROMs could fix,a real shame there isn't any development for this device
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Have you even looked in this forum for custom roms and kernels?
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I have been with OP for the last 3 months, 7T is my first OP. Feel happier than with the other chinese brand X (4 years with them).
I recommend the OP, but please no pop up camera and curve edge.
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What brand? We want to know!
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Have you even looked in this forum for custom roms and kernels?
What brand? We want to know!
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Yes, there are as far as I know just 2 ROMs out there... Neither work with MMS on Verizon.
If you have another recommendation would love to hear it- for me just looking for stability and speed.
Thanks for everyone on this forum helping make the device great!
Yep, had three... OnePlus One, 6T, 7T (bought the 7T when the price went down, sold the 6T).
I don't buy them when they first are released. I wait until a new one is about to be released, then pick up the previous years model
typically at a reduced price.
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Yes, there are as far as I know just 2 ROMs out there... Neither work with MMS on Verizon.
If you have another recommendation would love to hear it- for me just looking for stability and speed.
Thanks for everyone on this forum helping make the device great!
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There are three ROMS available right now. I would recommend Omni for speed and stability, but not sure about your specific use-case.
IDK, no matter what setting I pick, the ringtone for google messages does not work and the do not auto update option in playstore does not work. This is only an issue on the 7T.
I've used the Pixel 6 Pro on and off since November. For the most part, it has been a very good phone, but after using the S22 Ultra for over 2 months now, I realize how much better the P6P could be. The 5G reception, the charging speeds, and overall stability of the Snapdragon S22 Ultra are vastly superior to the Pixel 6 Pro. To be fair, the P6P has a cleaner software experience, better camera in some respects, and better speakers, but the essentials are done better by the S22U. Like many of us, I had hoped that the P6P would have been the Samsung flagship with stock Android, but it's turning out to have similar problems as the Exynos chips, even down to running warm. There are promises for big things in the June or July update, but each update has brought new bugs. I'm considering just selling the P6P and seeing if the Pixel 7 Pro fixes anything.
The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?
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The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?
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My girlfriend has the S21 Ultra, I have the P6P, andddd everyime I grab her phone I am surprised at how smooth it is. Every. Time.
I am getting pretty tired of having to borrow my wife's 22 when I need to make a phone call.
I had the s22ultra SD variant, sold it because if the crappy UI and micro stutters I experienced constantly. Regardless of the hardware, what good is it if the software is still in beta production.
A lot of gimmicky features like bixby, knox, etc.
Samsung has potential but they suck.
there is a 300$ difference between these two phones. the s22 ultra BETTER have the better experience.
I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.
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I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.
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Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture
There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.
I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.
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I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.
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Most reliable radio hardware I've had. Never had service dropped.
I used to have to have Tasker automatically cycle airplane mode whenever service was lost on all my prior phones, which were all Qualcomm flagships.
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Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture
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That's something else too. While picture quality is pretty good, the picture taking experience falls behind.
Hopefully most of the issues addressed can be resolved or mitigated through software updates, I hope, also for my own sake.
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There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.
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I agree with the signal reception. I have been working from home past 2 years, so I haven't had as much time to get frustrated, meaning using it while out and about. But this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned and finding out just how horrible it is as I start traveling more. I am just outside metro DC area and have a lot of experience with other phones plus friends and family. Why, just why couldn't they have stuck with a trusted chip? Verizon, fwiw. I will eventually switch to something non Google. Other parts work great, but they call it a smartphone, not a camera connection device.
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I agree with the signal reception...this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned...
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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).
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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).
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That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.
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That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.
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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.
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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.
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Did a software update solve the S20 problems? I did a quick search but not seeing that exact resolution. If that update in beta right now helps a lot they may save a customer here, but I am not upgrading to a future Pixel if they put a documented problem in this phone and the solution is to upgrade out of the problem.
I have owned both and they are both flawed.
I still have the S22U and ultimately it is IMO the better option. Yes the shutter lag is annoying and OneUI has it’s frustrations too but the flaws on the Pixel are bigger, FPS was a daily frustration (and the ultrasonic FPS on samsung is just better than all optical ones IMO) auto brightness was just dumb and as other have said the radio is weaker.
I am hopeful that lessons will have been learned with the Pixel 7
I have the vanilla S22, same with everyone says, it has micro stutter on the UI frequently, and the usual Samsung not able to capture moving objects. For those reasons, I am moving to Pixel 7 Pro this year.
To be fair, the P6 Pro is in another price league. You compare an Audi A5 to a BMW 7 (significant price difference). That still doesn't excuse, however, the especially weak reception quality and temperature problems (quick overheating under stress) on a P6 Pro. Basic features need to work, full stop. And Pixels struggle with that at times.
Finally decided to take TMO up on their $800 Trade-In Offer on my P6_Pro & Upgraded to the S22 Ultra 512 gb
(SM-S908U1).
No more seeing me 'round Pixel Town...Safe Journeys, es
Best of luck
Yeah, enjoy your new phone! Also, come back if you can ever get that thing rooted and stuff =). That (and the interface design) is primarily what is holding me back from Samsung phones - but I'm not sure if that has recently changed.
I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!
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I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!
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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?
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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?
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So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless (which is just the beginning) I am finding it less and less worthwhile to have an Android device, which I've had now for 15 years. I use a Mac for computing and I'm beginning to wonder whether I do the same for my phone. I'm so sick of Google's crappy products and customer service. I just might join you before the value of this phone nose dives.
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So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless
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*Cough* *cough* not true *cough* =)
Actually, wait, I missed the beginning sentence that you wrote and noticed it after I quoted it and posted my reply. So, it might be true. My apologies. When does that security API roll out?
It's out. I posted earlier a link to the discussion on GitHub. Oddly enough, not all users have been affected yet. Then again, that makes sense given the range of variables. I can't even use my craigslist app because I can't pass the newly imposed tests.
I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.
Good call on the switch to T-Mo. I just did the same last month and very happy I did
That's tight, I like that one!
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I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.
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Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.
Can't pinpoint when but over the last couple iterations of stock Android it's felt more like changes have been made for the sake of change rather than the benefit of the end user.
This is most apparent on the stock ROM. Everything was designed to be in your face constantly and I hate it so I'm running something else as of late.
I'm still not a fan of the new QS. My Pixel hasn't changed that. It's ugly, it's inconsistent (even on the 13 beta).
The fact of the matter is custom ROMs have always been better than nearly any carrier/OEM variation of Android and it just so happened that as I went back from OnePlus to a Pixel that development for Pixels would totally go down the drain relative to prior models.
That's partially because Google trashed the UI at its core and reversing that would take extensive work that just isn't worth the time.
This is the quickest I have ever gotten kind of annoyed with a device and it's completely unrelated to the hardware. The hardware of the 6, in spite of numerous criticisms, has always been great to me but Android as software is just... Dying in my eyes.
They get away with it as it's still more flexible as a platform than iOS but honestly they can only go so far.
If things don't improve either with 14 next year or with OnePlus doing a complete turn around in software, I'm out. I'll look more into the buggy affairs of Linux smartphones.
I have the luxury of having the 6 pro and the note 20 ultra, so when I am fed up with the six pro being goofy or glitchy I can switch back to that and generally enjoy it but have always been a fan of the nexus, pixel line so no matter how which it is I find myself wanting to come back. Lately considering ditching the 6 pro myself and considering the OP9 pro on special... Flashing 13 beta kind of help. The new visuals seem really cool but definitely made Android auto even quirkier. Maybe I should just consider the rooting and romming stuff again, but haven't really messed up it since maybe my OnePlus 7 pro
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Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.
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I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released
As an owner of both the S22U and the P6P, I prefer the P6P.
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I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released
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I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.
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I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.
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I don’t really have issues with data speeds. But I’m usually in 5G so I’m pretty solitaire but the problem is if I’m in like one bar 5G, forget about it I can’t load a website. Same thing with one bar of LTE. And the problems I listed are you know, pretty profound. They’re not all bad but the battery life is absolutely horrifying. I’m a tech for Dish Network and if I get you a job with 100% strength and it takes 2 1/2 hours to do the job when I’m done I’m at like 70%.
At the end of the day though, I just can’t buy into Samsung and all that bloat wear. My daughter has an S 22 ultra. It’s a hell of a nice phone call man there’s just so much extra junk on there.
I was just interested to see who here plans on upgrading to the Pixel 7 / Pro come October? I'm on the fence but leaning towards sticking with my 6 Pro for another year. From what I've seen, spec-wise, I do not see it as a significant upgrade. And Android 13 is Android 13 on either phone. I tend to upgrade most years and am typically disappointed with the result (since my Pixel 4 XL, which I really did like). I mean, it's exciting to get a new phone but certainly not necessary unless you have a good reason (damage or whatever).
What say you all?
If the battery life, camera flaring issues and cellular connectivity is better, I might upgrade at the end of the year. I really like my 6 Pro, but its just those few things that been a bit of a pain. My OnePlus 8 Pro on Android 12 have had less issues overall compared to this phone, and being on 5G doesn't murder the battery life as much as it does on my 6 Pro.
I've read that Google's trade-in policies can be sketchy at times. I had thought about trading in the 6 Pro for the 7 Pro, but I've been on the fence with that.
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I was just interested to see who here plans on upgrading to the Pixel 7 / Pro come October? I'm on the fence but leaning towards sticking with my 6 Pro for another year. From what I've seen, spec-wise, I do not see it as a significant upgrade. And Android 13 is Android 13 on either phone. I tend to upgrade most years and am typically disappointed with the result (since my Pixel 4 XL, which I really did like). I mean, it's exciting to get a new phone but certainly not necessary unless you have a good reason (damage or whatever).
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Think I'll wait for the 8. The 7 sounds like a minor update so far, hardware wise. Some have speculated that the 8 may be produced on Samsung's 3nm Process, although others have said that it may not because it will be too expensive. I've got the 2XL, 4XL and 6 Pro, so just may stick with the 2 yr updates.
Yes, though I'm considering trying the next Samsung flagship for fun too
Come to think of it, excpet for the OG Pixel XL (I always use XL phones excpet for the Pixel 3, which I don't like) ), I have not liked the 3 and 5 series AT.ALL. *for obvious reasons) and still have my 2XL and 4XL as cherished backsups and am totally in love with my P6P.
So it looks like the odd-numbered series I don't like and the even I do, at least so far, so will probably not upgrade.
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Come to think of it, excpet for the OG Pixel XL (I always use XL phones excpet for the Pixel 3, which I don't like) ), I have not liked the 3 and 5 series AT.ALL. *for obvious reasons) and still have my 2XL and 4XL as cherished backsups and am totally in love with my P6P.
So it looks like the odd-numbered series I don't like and the even I do, at least so far, so will probably not upgrade.
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I love the superstition, haha.
I remember the days where upgrading your phone was a BIIIIIIG deal. This goes back to my days of having a Samsung Captivate. I mean, each new phone was a totally new experience. Now, not so much. I'd probably still be happy with my Pixel 4 XL. But I always trade my phones in to get a discount. At this point, though, I really see no reason to upgrade to the 7. Maybe when the prices drop later in the year or in 2023 it would make more sense but I am USUALLY The guy that buys the new Pixel on day 1. Definitely not this year.
Nope. Next phone is going to be either a Pixel Fold, Galaxy Z Fold 5, or the Pixel 8 Pro.
Nope. Same Modem I read. And No 50MP shots really left a terrible taste in my mouth. 12MP is 12MP I don't care if it's BINNED or not. My 3aXL took better pictures and that really burnt me.
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Think I'll wait for the 8. The 7 sounds like a minor update so far, hardware wise. Some have speculated that the 8 may be produced on Samsung's 3nm Process. I've got the 2XL, 4XL and 6 Pro, so just may stick with the 2 yr updates.
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Same here, I only got the even numbers Pixels.
Still using my 4 XL, I'm having a hard time parting with it
But I'm probably gonna use my 6 Pro very soon now that Android 13 has finally ironed out the bugs of 12.
I'm still slightly worried about the battery life and cell reception though.
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I'm still slightly worried about the battery life though.
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I know the September update did address the battery life specifically, if that eases your mind at all.
My wife and I will likely either be waiting for the Pixel 8 Pro / XL / SuperMondo, or potentially until sometime after all security updates stop for the Pixel 6 Pro, so sometime late 2026 or early 2027.
Edit: We did similar for the Pixel 1/XL - didn't update until after it stopped receiving monthly updates.
I've been testing MVK that is under volted and it has cleaned up a lotttt of the heat this phone use to give me. And he's UV the modem as we speak. We playing with . Android 13 and MVK have honestly solved 96% of my problems I had with this Raven.
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it has cleaned up a lotttt of the heat this phone
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Yeah, I've found the heating issue to be problematic myself. In fact, I think it's led to quite a few unplanned reboots of my phone. It happens a lot ON the Pixel Stand, as a matter of fact.
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Yeah, I've found the heating issue to be problematic myself. In fact, I think it's led to quite a few unplanned reboots of my phone. It happens a lot ON the Pixel Stand, as a matter of fact.
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That's why I don't like wireless charging. Nothing but heat. And where there's a magnetic field, there's an electrical current, and where there's a electrical current, there's a magnetic field. Understanding this physical principal teaches us that although it is "cool" visually, it's not "cool" physically. But yeah this phone has terrible thermals. Since google gave me the middle finger I am tempted to tear the phone apart and see if I can place A. Thermal paste, and B. Thermal pads in the phone in places to allow the phone to act more as a heat sink. But as of now my phone rarely goes above 120f anymore and the battery is consistently below 100f. It use to COOK on A12.1
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I know the September update did address the battery life specifically, if that eases your mind at all.
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Uh huh, I noticed that in the changelog. Well, let's hope so!
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But as of now my phone rarely goes above 120f anymore and the battery is consistently below 100f
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And what did you do to achieve this besides not using wireless charging? I couldn't quite understand what you meant in your earlier post.
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And what did you do to achieve this besides not using wireless charging? I couldn't quite understand what you meant in your earlier post.
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I'm on a test Kernel of MVK that is under volted. Less heat.
What I need is; faster charging, an improved 4G/5G modem and better wifi connectivity.
What I want is; a much faster processor (not gonna happen), a flat screen (never gonna happen).
Unless they give me a sweet trade in price like Apple, what's the point for a slightly better camera, probably free pixel buds, and the same screen?
If you want all the 4G/5G bands across all carriers in the US, and the ability to root the device that you own and paid for , your stuck with this 2018 era Samsung processor, and low nit screen.
I would probably spring for a Pixel Fold, just to have something new.
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I would probably spring for a Pixel Fold, just to have something new.
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I actually think I would as well.
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Think I'll wait for the 8. The 7 sounds like a minor update so far, hardware wise. Some have speculated that the 8 may be produced on Samsung's 3nm Process, although others have said that it may not because it will be too expensive. I've got the 2XL, 4XL and 6 Pro, so just may stick with the 2 yr updates.
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I have the same opinion as you, probably going to wait for the 8.