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[Q] Question about crapware on the Verizon Node 4

I am about to pull the trigger on a Verizon Note 4 and have few Q's
What crapware does Verizon install over and above what Samsung has installed on top of Android?
I understand you can either disable it or hide it, correct?
If you disable the crapware, does it still run in the background?
If you hide the crapware, does it still run in the background?
Thanks for any insight.
Bob

If disabled it does not run in the background.....it also hides itself from the app drawer

what about app store updates
maclv said:
If disabled it does not run in the background.....it also hides itself from the app drawer
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So what about app updates from the Google App store? Do the apps still update even when disabled/hidden?

[email protected] said:
So what about app updates from the Google App store? Do the apps still update even when disabled/hidden?
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no

Thanks for asking this, OP. I was wondering the same thing. I used to flash a lot of ROMs, but haven't been as flash happy on my S3. For me, root is most useful for:
1. Removing crapware from Verizon/Samsung.
2. Avoiding updates that break things.
I guess that this takes care of the first item on my list.

I hear ya'
usmaak said:
Thanks for asking this, OP. I was wondering the same thing. I used to flash a lot of ROMs, but haven't been as flash happy on my S3. For me, root is most useful for:
1. Removing crapware from Verizon/Samsung.
2. Avoiding updates that break things.
I guess that this takes care of the first item on my list.
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Yeah, I've been reading a lot on the xda forums about the root issue for the Verizon Note 4.
I'd like to have root too but it might be extra tough on the Verizon Note 4. I'm actually not counting on it (unfortunately).
My fingers are crossed though! I'm hoping some Linux guru can take advantage of some 3.10 kernel exploit so we can have (real) control of our own hardware.

[email protected] said:
Yeah, I've been reading a lot on the xda forums about the root issue for the Verizon Note 4.
I'd like to have root too but it might be extra tough on the Verizon Note 4. I'm actually not counting on it (unfortunately).
My fingers are crossed though! I'm hoping some Linux guru can take advantage of some 3.10 kernel exploit so we can have (real) control of our own hardware.
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Head over to the bounty thread if you haven't already. [emoji3]

[Q] We have root? Great! What can it do?

Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.
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So the Note 4 is actually my first device I've owned where I didn't have an unlocked bootloader. Because of this, I'm not sure whether all the modifications I've made to my past devices were enabled because I had an unlocked bootloader.
The only thing I know we can't do is install custom roms.
So... that leaves me with a question. What kinds of things can we do with just root?
On top of that, I have some specific questions (Might think of more later) :
Will root let us be able to install the auto-brightness control that the international version of the Note 4 has? If you don't know, you're able to adjust how low or high the auto brightness stages will go without turning off auto brightness on that version. It's so much nicer than having to turn off auto, adjust to where you want, and then remember to turn auto back on when you leave that environment.
Can we remap the capacitive multitask button to be a menu button instead? And to remap long-pressing that button to be the new multitask?
Thanks!

There's safe strap which allows us to have custom roms.

droidx2.3.3 said:
There's safe strap which allows us to have custom roms.
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did they get a safestrap to work?

I'm assuming that they will. I suppose I should have worded my post different.
So it should have said, if we get safe strap we will be able to have custom roms.
It's not quiet the same as a unlocked bootloader though.

We have root?
what proof?

Well regardless of whether we have custom roms through some other means, I'd personally most interested in those 2 questions I stated. That's honestly the things I want most with root at the moment.

Where is root?

Root has not been proven yet. Patience. Everyone is jumping the gun here.

Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.

Hobox10 said:
Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.
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My main and only real reason for wanting root is for Ad Block ESPECIALLY in youtube. I hate those commercials... You can install Ad Block without root (as I just did) but it just doesn't seem to work as well as it did with my last rooted device... Although I'm not sure if this is the app devs getting more creative with how they get ads through or possibly even a Lollipop things...
The other main reason was so Rocket Player could delete podcasts I had already listened too.. That was resolved with the Lollipop update so I am good to go there...
Some really like Root for Titanium backup to back up ALL app data and settings... This was handy for me back when I was flashing ROMS all the time but without that capability I don't see myself having much of a need for that since the games I play store the data in the Android folder which I don't need root to copy/backup
Another great thing that has come about the last year or so is Xposed modules.. These give you just about ANY customization you could possibly want but of course in order to use them you will also need root..... There is a great app that pulls the commercials from Youtube which I will be checking out if Root is actually here... As I said before I hate hate the ads... Not that I don't buy FULL versions of some of the apps if I find them useful because I do... But with things like Chrome and Youtube I really miss the option of them being disabled... Yes I know Firefox has this built in but I like y Chrome for the ability to send pages from my PC to my phone with the click of a button....
I find that the Note 4 with the help of Apex PRO has helped me gain many of the features I once wanted Root and the ability to flash things for... So now I am just looking for the ability to kill some ads....
There are also a few apps I would delete or freeze with Titanium Backup once we had that option... Turning them off is nice but I want the space back...

dr12volt1338 said:
My main and only real reason for wanting root is for Ad Block ESPECIALLY in youtube. I hate those commercials... You can install Ad Block without root (as I just did) but it just doesn't seem to work as well as it did with my last rooted device... Although I'm not sure if this is the app devs getting more creative with how they get ads through or possibly even a Lollipop things...
The other main reason was so Rocket Player could delete podcasts I had already listened too.. That was resolved with the Lollipop update so I am good to go there...
Some really like Root for Titanium backup to back up ALL app data and settings... This was handy for me back when I was flashing ROMS all the time but without that capability I don't see myself having much of a need for that since the games I play store the data in the Android folder which I don't need root to copy/backup
Another great thing that has come about the last year or so is Xposed modules.. These give you just about ANY customization you could possibly want but of course in order to use them you will also need root..... There is a great app that pulls the commercials from Youtube which I will be checking out if Root is actually here... As I said before I hate hate the ads... Not that I don't buy FULL versions of some of the apps if I find them useful because I do... But with things like Chrome and Youtube I really miss the option of them being disabled... Yes I know Firefox has this built in but I like y Chrome for the ability to send pages from my PC to my phone with the click of a button....
I find that the Note 4 with the help of Apex PRO has helped me gain many of the features I once wanted Root and the ability to flash things for... So now I am just looking for the ability to kill some ads....
There are also a few apps I would delete or freeze with Titanium Backup once we had that option... Turning them off is nice but I want the space back...
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I'm with you on the adblock and it's one of the things I've been looking forward too also. The ads mobile gets is ridiculous, I'm fine with them on most websites on the computer but the mobile versions really kill some things.
Xposed is an interesting topic to me, I've never had any experience with it since I've never really needed it. It will be fun to see what they do. Thanks for the info.

root
Do you know if they release their root tool now? If they do, where is it?

52yt said:
Do you know if they release their root tool now? If they do, where is it?
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The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
Sent from my SM-N915V

2swizzle said:
The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
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Good point I forgot about being able to add multi window for non supported apps... It would be really nice for Tapatalk to support it

Ooh multi-window on almost any app sounds awesome!

you can remove pre-loaded carrier apps that cause sluggish instability. improve battery life, and speed up application start times.

Mw-pen app enabler, ive been using since i got this phone. Let's you add apps to multi window. Should work for non system apps. It's worked for me. been my solution until we get root, if we do.

djnikkofb said:
you can remove pre-loaded carrier apps that cause sluggish instability. improve battery life, and speed up application start times.
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Just an fyi: You can disable bloatware without having root by using @gatesjunior's Debloater utility. Here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998294
2swizzle said:
The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
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Daciple said:
Mw-pen app enabler, ive been using since i got this phone. Let's you add apps to multi window. Should work for non system apps. It's worked for me. been my solution until we get root, if we do.
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I had no idea that existed or was possible without root. Great find!

Rooted Users.. What have you gained?

I'm on the fence whether to root my device or not. The most alluring thing being the opportunity to get rid of Verizon's gimped note 7 software.
All those who have rooted... what have you specifically gained with your rooting? how is the sprint firmware?

Losing Samsung pay is a dealbreaker. I use it almost everyday
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androidbuff123 said:
I'm on the fence whether to root my device or not. The most alluring thing being the opportunity to get rid of Verizon's gimped note 7 software.
All those who have rooted... what have you specifically gained with your rooting? how is the sprint firmware?
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Well that's easy being able to use adblockers, greenify,and a system tuner is all reason for me to have root . Ov3rall you get a faster phone if you know what to do and better battery life as well.
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adaway...I hate ads in apps

adway alone is not a compelling reason for me. I use adguard which works fine (yes adway is free however).
Are there any specific gains on the firmware front?

Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.

I just want the unlocked firmware so that I have samsung cloud the way samsung wanted it and not have to work around.

Still debating. Yes we get root but will be stuck with the ROM for a long time even after ota or any up to date updates. Is it worth to root now. Then unroot later? Or get used to not having root then be OK. Yes some ota might not be important but some might have issues fixed or new radio or what not but we can't move on or update the eng rom with all that. Unless I am completely wrong.
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cadcamaro said:
Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.
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brentsalinas714 said:
Well that's easy being able to use adblockers, greenify,and a system tuner is all reason for me to have root . Ov3rall you get a faster phone if you know what to do and better battery life as well.
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Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.

seh6183 said:
Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.
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From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.

cadcamaro said:
From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.
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True. I haven't had a phone that was rooted but still bootloader locked for quite some time. They are something i associate with each other. Good catch. So for me, I essentially have no reason to root as of right now lol

For years I have rooted phones, and I have seen them get slower and slower.
I'm so happy to say that I see no real benefit to rooting anymore. Although AdGuard must be purchased, this app really eliminates the most compelling reason for me to root.
When I used Greenify and CPU Tuner on my older phones, I never saw any real benefit, and I think rooting may have done more harm than good. The only real benefit I would probably get by rooting is being able to fully remove the Verizon bloatware that I have already disabled.
Rooting is fun, it's more the pleasure of completing the process and the feel of living out of the manufacturer's boundaries. But, for once, I am happy to stay with the stock experience Samsung has cooked up.

People were saying Xposed and Viper were working which are huge. I went back because I want the old SNote functionality and this phone is so good I can live without it, but...
This just started. Every day these guys make a major improvement. A week from now we may have better than both worlds and be rooted, so withhold judgement, I would.

I've been rooting for years. It's a personal preference. I hate all the white on my phone. Using inverted apps, along with Custom Kernels really enhanced battery life for me. Of course adaway is awesome but there are alternatives. Inverted apps, Viper and status bar options are my rooting wants. Getting rid of the annoying volume warning, center my clock, ....... Damn there are a lot of reasons to root. Lol
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seh6183 said:
Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.
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No it does not have greenify built in. Having the system only putting apps to sleep in 3 days is not greenify. Greenify is an on the fly app sleeper as well you can also greenify system apps.
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cadcamaro said:
Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.
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Try using greenify app and a system tuner like 3c .
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From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.
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You can flash anything using flashfire.I have exposed installed using it .
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You can select or deselect apps to "optimize" at will if I'm not mistaken.

seh6183 said:
You can select or deselect apps to "optimize" at will if I'm not mistaken.
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Only puts apps to sleep if not used for 3 days minimum .
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The main reason I always rooted my phones was to use titanium backup. Had it back up the phone to the SD card every night. Saved me a couple of times. But after 2 years on the note 4 without root, I've learned to live without it. And now that I've started using Samsung Pay, I doubt I'll bother.

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The main reason I always rooted my phones was to use titanium backup. Had it back up the phone to the SD card every night. Saved me a couple of times. But after 2 years on the note 4 without root, I've learned to live without it. And now that I've started using Samsung Pay, I doubt I'll bother.
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Samsung cloud backup does exactly what titanium does now. They are systematically removing all of our desires to root one by one. It's fine with me really. I just want to be able to install kernels. Then again those are getting so good it's not really a huge deal anymore.

It's a shame we lose so much with root, too much for it to be worth it IMO. Samsung/Android pay, VoLte, wifi calling, etc. The only thing I miss about root is xposed and a few of the modules, otherwise you can do most of that stuff on an unrooted phone.

knox counter triggered! is there a way to reset it?

After rooting my Note 7, I've noticed that my Knox counter has been triggered, normally I would mind but several apps seem to depend on it to work properly(I can't even open S Health!). Is there away to reset it yet? thanks

Nope. When you root, a physical fuse in the phone is blown, so unless you have epic soldering and mad haxorz skills then you're pretty much screwed

get it exchanged in the recall, and don't root your new phone.
there's not that much you can do with root that you can't do without root, especially on recent high-end Samsung phones.

I am rooted and my S Health works. I believe the only thing that would be permanently disabled is Samsung Pay. Some banking apps will not run if you have root but you can always install an Xposed module called root cloak to circumvent that issue.
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S-health is still there, do a search and you can find instructions to access it. You should only lose secure folder and pay, if you want those things you should follow the advice above and not root your replacement phone. I'm not beating you up here but as an FYI you should have known the ramifications of rooting before you rooted, it's best to know what you're in for before you commit to a course of action that may be irreversible.

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get it exchanged in the recall, and don't root your new phone.
there's not that much you can do with root that you can't do without root, especially on recent high-end Samsung phones.
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Sadly depending on what you want not everything is available without rooting.
Unless you can tell me how to change all app dpi individually.
YouTube adblocker
Synapse
Adaway
Greenify... not as as good un rooted mode
Amplify
Smart network
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you're mentioning specific root-only apps.
obviously those won't work, but there are alternative methods with (close to) the same results.
adaway: adguard, it's better anyway(doesn't rely on a system designed for no more than 100 rules, easy to toggle on/off, supports whitelisting of apps, supports firewall functionality, and can target not just entire domains but also single lines of code)
adfree YouTube: yes this one is trickier, you'd need a 3rd party YouTube app or the website+adguard to avoid ads.
alternatively you can use "Cygery AdSkip for YouTube" to automatically skip ads after 5 seconds.
as you said, greenify works just not as effective.
similar "power saving" functions however are built in on recent android devices.
and from what I can tell every function in "smart network" except switching to 2G can be achieved without root using tasker.
synapse and per app DPI are the only things on your list that are completely impossible without root(although using game tuner's resolution settings you should be able to influence scaling in some apps)

Also if you use YouTube backgrounder, OGyoutube works great and allows background / downloading of content. I'm still looking for an ad free YouTube but this suffices in the meantime.
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S-health is still there, do a search and you can find instructions to access it. You should only lose secure folder and pay, if you want those things you should follow the advice above and not root your replacement phone. I'm not beating you up here but as an FYI you should have known the ramifications of rooting before you rooted, it's best to know what you're in for before you commit to a course of action that may be irreversible.
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do you have the link for it? when I try to open it, it says the following:
"Unable to open app
Because of a new security policy introduced in version 5.0, Knox is not available on compromised devices"
I've already frozen all the knox apps I could find in TB.

strange, I just checked my 2-year old Note 4, the knox has also been triggered awhile ago, but i could use S Health fine. Why would S Health have anything to do with Knox?

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strange, I just checked my 2-year old Note 4, the knox has also been triggered awhile ago, but i could use S Health fine. Why would S Health have anything to do with Knox?
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S Health may use Knox to protect your health data (HIPAA in the USA).

The S-health thing is new, people are circumventing it by an app that lets you access the widget and from it you can open it up or some such, don't use it so I paid little attention to the fix. Don't remember where I saw that but it's here somewhere shine, I would peruse the development threads, I'm thinking I saw it in one of them.

Will you root?

How many of you guys plan to root? Is it worth losing secure folder etc for easier themeing, magisk modules and better ad blocking?
I do miss swift installer even though synergy works OK

No.

Planning not to but say that every new phone lol

I didn't root my Note 9 (first ever android phone I didn't root), mostly because Adhell3, now that the app doesn't work anymore I don't know if I can manage without root... I guess we'll see...

No
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I've been rooting all my android phones since my first one (galaxy mini) but I stopped rooting after I bought my note 9. Now I only root my backup phones.
Theres just too many good features that I'll miss if I trip my knox.
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i think the question alot should research should be:
can i actually root before buying

I keep a rooted phone for certain things.
I don't root my daily drives now though. I think I burned myself out over the years. I prefer a stable, secure phone now.
HD2, I still love you though. ?

Every new galaxy phones I got didn't last a week without being rooted. It's my first time to buy a phone on its launching period. Most probably wont get rooted in a week or two, or maybe who knows hahaha.. depends on how our great devs would work on it lol

Rooted mine. For me i want to have the freedom of root. Don't care about the apps I loose

Already Rooted My Note 10+. Dr-Ketan Guide

No, I will not root it, samsung pay and secure folders are very useful features for me, I will only miss viper4A, I rooted my phones in the past, but it is not so necessary these days

Nope i use Samsung pay. And dont see much of a reason to root any more

Quick answer no rooting until samsung stop updates

winol said:
No, I will not root it, samsung pay and secure folders are very useful features for me, I will only miss viper4A, I rooted my phones in the past, but it is not so necessary these days
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Secure folder works on rooted too. Still it needs some patch. I have posted screenshot of secure folder yday on my root guide thread. Samsung pay won't. Still trying to work spay on gear, it is working on N8/N9 but yet not able to fix on N10. But I am on holidays and no twrp so cant dig much.

Probably later.
Because I'd like to keep the OTA updates.

liamR said:
I didn't root my Note 9 (first ever android phone I didn't root), mostly because Adhell3, now that the app doesn't work anymore I don't know if I can manage without root... I guess we'll see...
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Hey,
I was also a little bit frustrated that Adhell3 didn't work anymore, but I found an alternative that might help you. I am currently using my Note8 with an app called CCSWE App Manager (can be found on the playstore). This app with the coupled with the CCSWE App Manager Pro License (also found on the playstore but paid) app allows to disable packages, it uses KNOX. Not sure if it supports Note10, but works perfectly on my Note8.

I don't care about loosing Knox crap. I will root on day 1 of any device I own. Systemwide add blocking being my #1 reason. Also there is nothing like Titanium backup out there. IMO stock rooted is always great.
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There is so much that works without root, if I feel the need to, then I might, but until then......:good:

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Secure folder works on rooted too. Still it needs some patch. I have posted screenshot of secure folder yday on my root guide thread. Samsung pay won't. Still trying to work spay on gear, it is working on N8/N9 but yet not able to fix on N10. But I am on holidays and no twrp so cant dig much.
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Thank you Dr. ketan, As always you are the best! I will looking forward to your posts