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I have been using mine for a few hours now and decided to write a bit about my first impressions. I hope these will be helpful.
Here are my initial thoughts (I am coming from the iPhone 5 that I had been using for the last 5 mos)
- The phone is light (feels too light for its size), but well made and well balanced in terms of weight. No issues with build quality (except for the one mentioned below). But it's so freaking slippery. I can't wait for my Spigen case to arrive.
- The screen is gorgeous. Large and vibrant. If you don't like AMOLED oversaturation, there is a "Movie" preset that tones down the colors.
- Battery life is the best I've ever experienced. Even compared to the iPhone. I used the phone for about 3 hours and was only down 25% (I understand that the gauge still needs to be calibrated and the battery life so far may not be typical).
- I am not a fan of stock Android, but Touchwhiz is bloated and laggy. With the specs that the phone has, there shouldn't be any choppiness or waiting for stock apps (caller, etc.) to open. But there is. I am hoping that Samsung will optimize the skin's performance in the next update.
- Related: People who put so much non-removable bloatware should be hung by their necks. Why is Flipboard, Chrome, Lookout and tens of other apps non-removable and always seem to run in the background? I'll wait for a verified list of safe-to-remove apps and bye-bye bloatware.
- Overall Touchwhiz is inconsistent. The design of stock apps varies so much. And damn those stupid bubble sounds.
- Camera is amazing in well-lit environments (better than the iPhone's), but not so much in low light (The Night mode fixes the issue for static objects though).
- Call sound quality is great.
- The only minor gripe about the build quality / design that I have concerns the power button. It's small, almost flush, and has very weak, almost non-existent tactile feedback. Just the opposite of what the power button on the iPhone is like. The volume rocker is fine though.
I will update this thread if I discover anything new.
Please, post your mini-reviews and first impressions here as well. Thanks.
Thanks for the early review. I'm getting mine tomorrow, so the wait is killing me.
Which color did you get by the way? And what did you think of that color?
I got black but still have some urge to get white. It might not matter because I also bought the Neo Hybrid case.
It does seem Samsung and T-Mo have put a lot of bloatware into the device - I can't wait for a good ROM to come by.
From my showrooming at AT&T and Best Buy, the display is indeed gorgeous and the design is better. I don't know.
I've seen the HTC One side by side with the S4 in AT&T and Best Buy, and I don't think the S4 is that much worse/cheap-feeling.
I actually found the S4 to be more comfortable to hold, and seems to fit more comfortably into my hand. The HTC One,
with all its aluminium glory, feels more rigid, and certainly not as light as the S4. I don't know.. preference.
I do think one other phone that doesn't get too much love is the Xperia Z. Great build quality, near-stock UI.
They have some nice themes that I'm using on the S3.
Good early review. I do have a question for you. I am thinking of returning this iPhone 5 for the S4. Knowing what you know now, would you advise others like me to hang on and wait it out? or is this a phone that even with its lag problems worth the switch?
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Thanks for the early review. I'm getting mine tomorrow, so the wait is killing me.
Which color did you get by the way? And what did you think of that color?
I got black but still have some urge to get white. It might not matter because I also bought the Neo Hybrid case.
It does seem Samsung and T-Mo have put a lot of bloatware into the device - I can't wait for a good ROM to come by.
From my showrooming at AT&T and Best Buy, the display is indeed gorgeous and the design is better. I don't know.
I've seen the HTC One side by side with the S4 in AT&T and Best Buy, and I don't think the S4 is that much worse/cheap-feeling.
I actually found the S4 to be more comfortable to hold, and seems to fit more comfortably into my hand. The HTC One,
with all its aluminium glory, feels more rigid, and certainly not as light as the S4. I don't know.. preference.
I do think one other phone that doesn't get too much love is the Xperia Z. Great build quality, near-stock UI.
They have some nice themes that I'm using on the S3.
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I got the black mist version and I like it much better than the white. But it's personal preference.
I have already rooted the phone using the Motochopper exploit (very easy; thanks to Dan).
I also find the design much better than the S3 (more "professional", "industrial").
I do like how the HTC looks and feel, but it's not by any means more rigid. None of these phones are rugged.
The Xperia Z is a great looking phone but I personally thing that the screen on the S4 and HTC One are miles better.
With that said, the most important factor for me was the removable battery. It's always great to have a phone that doesn't have a worn battery even after a year or two of use. Plus, the battery itself is the largest one among five-inchers.
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I got the black mist version and I like it much better than the white. But it's personal preference.
I have already rooted the phone using the Motochopper exploit (very easy; thanks to Dan).
I also find the design much better than the S3 (more "professional", "industrial").
I do like how the HTC looks and feel, but it's not by any means more rigid. None of these phones are rugged.
The Xperia Z is a great looking phone but I personally thing that the screen on the S4 and HTC One are miles better.
With that said, the most important factor for me was the removable battery. It's always great to have a phone that doesn't have a worn battery even after a year or two of use. Plus, the battery itself is the largest one among five-inchers.
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The Note 2 has the best battery life by far of any smartphone that is not the Droid Razr Maxx. That thing can last for days, and maybe weeks with the monster Anker extended battery. I hope I can get similar results with the S4, though I'm afraid if I keep a lot of apps, that will drain the battery faster. I have to say the dual speakers on the HTC One really impressed me. I'm wondering why Samsung still hasn't done it this way (or even better, dual front and back speakers). They're already one of the few tablet makers that put the speakers in front, and not the back. I live for the replaceable battery and microSD slot.
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Good early review. I do have a question for you. I am thinking of returning this iPhone 5 for the S4. Knowing what you know now, would you advise others like me to hang on and wait it out? or is this a phone that even with its lag problems worth the switch?
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It's personal preference. There are advantages for both phones.
iPhone is much more practical to use as a PHONE (smaller size, pocketability). It's much more fluid. However, the screen size and resolution are limiting.
The S4 being a flagship Android device offers great hardware (namely the screen) and customizibility.
I have rooted my phone and installed Titanium. I will remove as much bloatware as possible and see if that fixes the lagginess problem. I will report back.
Overall, I do not regret switching from the iPhone. So far, I am really liking the S4. Let's see if that changes
My wife and I just got ours. We switched from verizon to tmo and I switched from my galaxy nexus and she switched from an iphone5. I was really nervous that she wouldnt like it but so far she loves it and hasnt put it down in few hours. For me it wasnt that big of a change... but for her it is like the first time she picked up a smart phone. The screen i think is what she likes the best... it is big but the phone doesnt feel massive. I think it actually feels smaller in hand than my gnexus. And she really likes the camera (not talking quality just the options). It is going to take me some time to get use to touch wiz but I will probably unlock the bootloader and install cm 10.1 whenever it is available for it.
If anyone else is interested in any other details let me know.
I would have no problem recommending this over an iphone5 to anyone. I probably would never have said that about any other phone before (i made my mom get the iphone4s when it came out). Now when the next iphone (5s/6) comes out that may be a different story (but we will have to wait until apple lets us know what they are doing next).
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My wife and I just got ours. We switched from verizon to tmo and I switched from my galaxy nexus and she switched from an iphone5. I was really nervous that she wouldnt like it but so far she loves it and hasnt put it down in few hours. For me it wasnt that big of a change... but for her it is like the first time she picked up a smart phone. The screen i think is what she likes the best... it is big but the phone doesnt feel massive. I think it actually feels smaller in hand than my gnexus. And she really likes the camera (not talking quality just the options). It is going to take me some time to get use to touch wiz but I will probably unlock the bootloader and install cm 10.1 whenever it is available for it.
If anyone else is interested in any other details let me know.
I would have no problem recommending this over an iphone5 to anyone. I probably would never have said that about any other phone before (i made my mom get the iphone4s when it came out). Now when the next iphone (5s/6) comes out that may be a different story (but we will have to wait until apple lets us know what they are doing next).
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Thanks for your input. Unfortunately, Tim Cook stated that we shouldn't be expecting a larger size/resolution screen iPhone any time soon. So, if screen size matters to you, the S4 is indeed a better option.
Phone is great. Lag is minor. But I do notice top of screen can get hot fairly quick from not too much intense tasks.. not to bad though. Amd an update will surely adress these things
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I made a unbagging (because Tmo shipped my GS4 in a polybag rather than a box), unpackaging, setup, and initial impressions video.
http://youtu.be/6aaJ_pAlFZw
Since I've filmed this, I wanna add this:
Basically, I believe this launch was less than stellar. Not only did Samsung tease the S4 over the last few months, but there's the locked/verifiable bootloaders (again I add verifiable because from my understanding on AT&T and most likely Verizon too, there's checks to make sure you have a legit recovery and boot image for those particular carriers, and if it fails, brick), little availability for 32GB (ironically the only carrier to have a 32GB version is the locking down AT&T); ZERO 64GB when they claimed that 16, 32, and 64 GB versions would be available, and as I expected, Sixaxis and Wii Remotes DO NOT work out of the box (mostly because it uses Android 4.2.2 and from past experience with my Nexus 7 it does NOT play nice with sixaxis or wii remotes for whatever reason).
Oh well, at least I did showcase the Motochopper root method at the time of filming and some time after I filmed, T-mobile's version of the bootloader can indeed be unlocked. (Sprint's is unlocked from the start, btw.)
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I made a unbagging (because Tmo shipped my GS4 in a polybag rather than a box), unpackaging, setup, and initial impressions video.
http://youtu.be/6aaJ_pAlFZw
Since I've filmed this, I wanna add this:
Basically, I believe this launch was less than stellar. Not only did Samsung tease the S4 over the last few months, but there's the locked/verifiable bootloaders (again I add verifiable because from my understanding on AT&T and most likely Verizon too, there's checks to make sure you have a legit recovery and boot image for those particular carriers, and if it fails, brick), little availability for 32GB (ironically the only carrier to have a 32GB version is the locking down AT&T); ZERO 64GB when they claimed that 16, 32, and 64 GB versions would be available, and as I expected, Sixaxis and Wii Remotes DO NOT work out of the box (mostly because it uses Android 4.2.2 and from past experience with my Nexus 7 it does NOT play nice with sixaxis or wii remotes for whatever reason).
Oh well, at least I did showcase the Motochopper root method at the time of filming and some time after I filmed, T-mobile's version of the bootloader can indeed be unlocked. (Sprint's is unlocked from the start, btw.)
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It's funny because AT&T keeps claiming "soon" for the 32 GB version yet no one knows (and AT&T will not say anything about) when "soon" is. So, although it could happen, AT&T doesn't have the 32 GB yet (and I think may never).
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T-mobile's version of the bootloader can indeed be unlocked. (Sprint's is unlocked from the start, btw.)
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Not "can be unlocked", is unlocked. Period.
GG2012 said:
The Note 2 has the best battery life by far of any smartphone that is not the Droid Razr Maxx. That thing can last for days, and maybe weeks with the monster Anker extended battery. I hope I can get similar results with the S4, though I'm afraid if I keep a lot of apps, that will drain the battery faster. I have to say the dual speakers on the HTC One really impressed me. I'm wondering why Samsung still hasn't done it this way (or even better, dual front and back speakers). They're already one of the few tablet makers that put the speakers in front, and not the back. I live for the replaceable battery and microSD slot.
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I sold my razr maxx to someone and bought a galaxy nexus.I will never again buy a phone with a non removable battery. With my gnex I love carrying an extra fully charged battery in case of emergency or if I just run out of juice
GNex // Toro // CodeX // AK exp // Hue
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It's funny because AT&T keeps claiming "soon" for the 32 GB version yet no one knows (and AT&T will not say anything about) when "soon" is. So, although it could happen, AT&T doesn't have the 32 GB yet (and I think may never).
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Im sorry man but this has to be the worst video i have seen in my life
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Im sorry man but this has to be the worst video i have seen in my life
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ROFLMAO!
The best part is we get to see his feet and crusty toes roflcopter! (just kidding man)
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Charlie Brown said:
ROFLMAO!
The best part is we get to see his feet and crusty toes roflcopter! (just kidding man)
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hahahaha, I had to do anything I could to get that darned bag open (and on that note, is probably yet another reason I need to seriously consider getting the tripod for my S4... EDIT 5:45 PM: Just ordered the tripod. Use SPRINGACC up till May 15th to get 20% off on Accessories at T-mobile)
dkotoric said:
Im sorry man but this has to be the worst video i have seen in my life
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Okay, in all fairness I accidentally made it all wordy, but it's the first unpackaging video I ever made..
adventure_of_link said:
hahahaha, I had to do anything I could to get that darned bag open (and on that note, is probably yet another reason I need to seriously consider getting the tripod for my S4... EDIT 5:45 PM: Just ordered the tripod. Use SPRINGACC up till May 15th to get 20% off on Accessories at T-mobile)
Okay, in all fairness I accidentally made it all wordy, but it's the first unpackaging video I ever made..
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LOL I'm just giving you shlt cause I'm jealous I don't have one. LOL
I am in the market of purchasing my first Nexus device and have been looking at the Nexus 7 (2013) model but have concerns. After doing a lot of research about the various problems with the Nexus 7 the ones in particular that caught my attention are the touch screen issues, random reboots (this one is my biggest concern) and gps issues. How widespread are these issues? What is the likelihood I'll get unlucky and get a "bad" Nexus 7 tablet? I've read in various places people getting 2-4 replacements and still having the same problems. Is this isolated to a minority of people or do most Nexus 7 (2013) tablets have these issues? Is it a rare event to find a 100% functional Nexus 7? Should I wait until after the holiday season when new batches are made and hopefully have been fixed? Should I buy it all?
I have been itching to get a Nexus device for awhile. I currently own a Galaxy sIII on Verizons network and hate the fact Verizon delays android updates so I am looking to jump ship to a pre-paid plan in the future and more than likely going with a Nexus phone but want to experience a Nexus device (Nexus 7) before doing so. My contract is not up until July of 2014. I am at a point where either its Nexus or Apple. I like to be current on updates. Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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I am in the market of purchasing my first Nexus device and have been looking at the Nexus 7 (2013) model but have concerns. After doing a lot of research about the various problems with the Nexus 7 the ones in particular that caught my attention are the touch screen issues, random reboots (this one is my biggest concern) and gps issues. How widespread are these issues? What is the likelihood I'll get unlucky and get a "bad" Nexus 7 tablet? I've read in various places people getting 2-4 replacements and still having the same problems. Is this isolated to a minority of people or do most Nexus 7 (2013) tablets have these issues? Is it a rare event to find a 100% functional Nexus 7? Should I wait until after the holiday season when new batches are made and hopefully have been fixed? Should I buy it all?
I have been itching to get a Nexus device for awhile. I currently own a Galaxy sIII on Verizons network and hate the fact Verizon delays android updates so I am looking to jump ship to a pre-paid plan in the future and more than likely going with a Nexus phone but want to experience a Nexus device (Nexus 7) before doing so. My contract is not up until July of 2014. I am at a point where either its Nexus or Apple. I like to be current on updates. Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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I can't speak for others, but my Nexus tablet had no major problems. The only problem I experienced was that I could't install the second update, but I was going to root it anyway so I just flashed a stock version and have had no problems since. Even for those who had problems, there have been updates that fixed the GPS, multi-touch etc. I say that there is probably a 80% chance of getting a perfect tablet with no problems. I am pretty sure ( don't really know ) that Google has fixed most of the problems that some people have experienced. I am positive that our tablets will get the 4.4 KitKat update so you will have the latest technology. If you want a bigger tablet, I would get the Nexus 10 that is rumored to come out with the Nexus 5. Personally, I'm saying that this tablet is pretty amazing and that you should get it while you can.
I've bought my Nexus 7 LTE 2 weeks ago and don't have those problems. But I also seem to be relatively lucky when it comes to electronics. My advice would be to either buy one at a later date when more users report success with regards to the issues. Or to buy it from a reputable place where you can easily get it replaced or a refund.
Also, keep in mind that people having issues with electronics are far more likely to make threads and posts about these issues and be vocal about them than people who are content with their device.
My touch screen is still kinda meh. It register as if I hold the screen when I just tap sometimes (like 1/25 time ish?). Also when I scroll like 1mm, it doesn't start to respond until I scroll a little bit more. Kinda annoying when I just want to scroll a very tiny bit. Not too big of a deal but it does get slightly annoying. Other than that, nothing was bad right out of the box. I think it's worth a shot.
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I am in the market of purchasing my first Nexus device and have been looking at the Nexus 7 (2013) model but have concerns. After doing a lot of research about the various problems with the Nexus 7 the ones in particular that caught my attention are the touch screen issues, random reboots (this one is my biggest concern) and gps issues. How widespread are these issues? What is the likelihood I'll get unlucky and get a "bad" Nexus 7 tablet? I've read in various places people getting 2-4 replacements and still having the same problems. Is this isolated to a minority of people or do most Nexus 7 (2013) tablets have these issues? Is it a rare event to find a 100% functional Nexus 7? Should I wait until after the holiday season when new batches are made and hopefully have been fixed? Should I buy it all?
I have been itching to get a Nexus device for awhile. I currently own a Galaxy sIII on Verizons network and hate the fact Verizon delays android updates so I am looking to jump ship to a pre-paid plan in the future and more than likely going with a Nexus phone but want to experience a Nexus device (Nexus 7) before doing so. My contract is not up until July of 2014. I am at a point where either its Nexus or Apple. I like to be current on updates. Any help/insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi OP, I understand your concerns and I would love to share my experiences with you!
I had a Galaxy Nexus with Verizon, and jumped ship because Verizon only had their 3G network at the time and it was painfully slow, it made AT&T look really good.
The Nexus 7 2013 I got, the first one was pretty bad. It would freeze occasionally (also random reboots) and had a cluster of dead pixels and another dead pixel off some random place. After I got that unit swapped, this N7 works almost flawlessly- there is still some of the random phantom taps but not as much. It's enough so I can live with it.
If memory serves me right, the best way to buy it would be through Best Buy. I am a little leery of support through the Google play store and I know with best buy I can be there to get it swapped out on the same day if need be. You will not save on sales tax from the play store so I would opt for better sales support and buy it from Best Buy, or any other retailer carrying the device.
Other than that I think you will be very happy with it. I would avoid AT&T like the plague- I had their service for 3 days (cancelled today) and they charged me an ETF for cancelling- I had to call 4 different people and chat with a rep before I could get it resolved. Your best bet would be through T-Mobile. Their CS support has been a lot better than AT&T. But remember, T-Mobile service only works well in the cities. If you're out on the highway you will be stuck with EDGE or domestic roaming. AT&T has far better speeds on major highways but their CS experience really cheesed me and turned me away from their service. They even scratched my SIM card tray! But I'll step off my soap box for that.
I think these issues are waning, it might just be early production kinks. We've seen it in iPhone 4s when they came out with the incomplete gluing of the screen causing yellowing for example. I can say production wise, the 2 tablets I had were perfectly fine.
Coming from a Note 2, it's refreshing to be with stock android. Touchwiz just eats up RAM like it's nothing.
I'd say go for it. It's nice to have a tablet with cellular access.
I have BB Rewardzone Silver or whatever they call it with 60 day returns. If you feel you want the extra 30 days, send me a PM and I'll send you an invite! I think I can give some invites away until the end of the month.
And tl;dr, YES IT IS WORTH IT
I agree with others on the touch screen. It's has so much lag and just not that responsive. I got the LTE version and I'm very disappointed.
I'll have to see how the LG G pad is but of its as bad as N7 I'll pick up the ipad mini2.
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Its worth it. I bought my 32gb Nexus 7 at best buy mid August. Its working flawlessly so far. I have no complaints, this is my first tablet I've ever owned and I adore it.
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Just got mine today, 32gb version, really worth it, even though I paid 320usd for this ( no Google play store in Vietnam ). Amazing device. So far so good
Hi, I got mine yesterday. The 32gb version. Unlocked, flashed custom recovery and rooted in less than 3 minutes. Coming from HTC this is refreshing. I was tired of going MacGyver on HTC devices for the sake of unlocking them.
After 24h of use, no touchscreen issues. Far as I remember I had one reboot but I think it was on purpose due device update (didn't notice the reboot warning maybe). I'm very happy with it, fast, sleek, all functional for now and I hope it stays that way.
A friend of mine also ordered his recently and had 0 issues as well. I think these latest batches are coming out much better.
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It worth. And when kitkat will be there, it will even worth more.
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If memory serves me right, the best way to buy it would be through Best Buy. I am a little leery of support through the Google play store and I know with best buy I can be there to get it swapped out on the same day if need be. You will not save on sales tax from the play store so I would opt for better sales support and buy it from Best Buy, or any other retailer carrying the device.
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I disagree completely on this point. My experience with Best Buy customer support has been awful. They will give you a hard time about any issues that are not readily apparent (for example, with the touch screen issue, they would use the device and say "Well, the touch screen is working fine for me" even if you tell them it's an intermittent issue). Google has been fantastic about customer service. I went through four or five Nexus 7 2012's due to the screen lift issue and they never gave me a hard time. Additionally, they offer the full support for a full year. For example, my Nexus 4 (that I bought on launch day) was having a new issue recently and they replaced the device without needing to go through LG support.
Mine was free so it's kind of hard to complain (sister won it, has and ipad and didn't want the nexus too), but I'll give it a shot:
It's a nice light device, looks slick, works well, seems fast (for my use at least), fantastic screen, and battery life seems to be really good.
Great for reading books, great for playing games and it's small enough to slip into any pack.
Live wallpaper is cooler than stink (at least I think so). Graphics are great all around.
The micro USB is a nice bonus over anything apple puts on theirs and the ability to add storage though it is brilliant. I wish I had more than 16 GB (more like 11 after os usage) but I didn't pay anything for it so; Meh....16 gb will do fine. I can always add an app and a usb stick if I want to carry lots of movies, music or documents with me.
People complain about the sound from the speakers sometimes, but what do you want from a "micro thin" 7" tablet? They're better than my iPhone and better than my wife's iPad. I'll get Bluetooth speakers if I want more than they offer. They work fine for most use for me or I use earbuds. It's a tablet, not a stereo...
It works fine for skype and Wifi video calls as is. Sound is fine when I'm talking to my little girl from the hotel. I even find myself turning it down sometimes.
The only problems I've had with it was a slightly "wonky" touchscreen. Very infrequently it would miss a touch or skip on a drag. More prevalent when I wasn't holding it (ie; sitting on the table, etc). Games like Angry Birds were painful to play because of skipping drags. Damned birds flinging everywhere! (lol)
Rooted it and installed sfhub's TS-10 driver and now it's perfect. Little bit of lag on a drag, but nothing serious. Might matter if you're a big tablet "gamer" and need speed in shooter games or similar.
Sometimes I do find myself wishing for a bigger screen, but not very often. It's fine for what it is. A bigger screen would add size and weight and that would ruin the concept of it being light and easily portable anyways. Pick your poison.....
It does feel a little cheap. Or maybe that's not the right word, fragile might be better. But that's likely because it is so light and thin. It probably only feels that way because it is light and thin. That usually means it's probably cheap or low quality to someone of my generation. We like a good, heavy solid feel which says quality to us. It might be very well be quite robust, I just don't want to be the first to find out by dropping it.
It needs a stand too. IMHO, any tablet does. It's light enough that you can hold it fine, but if you watch a movie or read for hours on end it would be nice to put it down. Lots of cases incorporate that option.
So, worth it?
Yeah, I'd say so. It's a nice little tab and it comes in pretty affordable compared to crapple products.
Go try one out is my best advice. Either use a friend's or go try a demo one at the store.
Thank you all for the great responses! They have helped in lowering my worries about receiving a faulty device and increased my desire to pick one up
I do have another question pertaining to Nexus devices in general. Do nexus devices "lag" over the course of time? I hate to mention the competition (aka Apple) but I know that over time their operating system doesn't lag very often as compared to Android devices (or at least that's what I've seen from friends etc who own Apple devices). My Galaxy SIII has been laggy to an extent and was wondering if this would be significantly less on a Nexus device. Devices in particular would be the Nexus 7 2013 model, Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 (I know its not out yet but one can speculate).
Again thank you all for the responses.
Depends on how it lacs. The s3 is a dual core so it may lag when you throw a bunch of things at it. I have the note 2 with a 4core exynos and it still runs fine. The nexus 7 doesn't use a top of the line 4 core but it still packs a punch. I actually got the old nexus 7 because it was a bargain but I couldn't deal with it stuttering so bad. It had issues with the memory controller and the poor design of the tegra 3. I think Asus learned from their mistakes with this second release.
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I think about buying N7 2013 but I read here that it has many hardware issues, that prevents me from getting it..whats the chance I get faulty device?
Buy it and you will see.
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I do have another question pertaining to Nexus devices in general. Do nexus devices "lag" over the course of time? I hate to mention the competition (aka Apple) but I know that over time their operating system doesn't lag very often as compared to Android devices (or at least that's what I've seen from friends etc who own Apple devices). My Galaxy SIII has been laggy to an extent and was wondering if this would be significantly less on a Nexus device. Devices in particular would be the Nexus 7 2013 model, Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 (I know its not out yet but one can speculate).
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Honestly, I've seen plenty of lag with Apple devices as well. My fiancee has an iPhone 4 and my mom has a 4S, and both run noticeably slower since the most recent update. Android systems tend to get laggy due to too much stuff installed/running on them and it can easily be fixed with a factory reset. Apple devices tend to get bogged down just due to system updates.
I'm wondering if my experience with my sIII has simply made me more apprehensive about purchasing another android device in fear of it being "laggy" over the course of time. Technology has come along way since the sIII in terms of speed and from what I know stock android is pretty fast and not bogged down with bloatware that both Samsung and Verizon think we want. Also to be fair when I talk about "laggy" I'm not saying I'm unable to do things it's just noticeable on certain things but overall runs pretty smooth.
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I don't wanna buy semi-working device so I'm collecting infos about hw issues before purchase
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I don't wanna buy semi-working device so I'm collecting infos about hw issues before purchase
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The data just isn't there to give you a percentage of defective units. Plenty of people receive units without issues but plenty of people receive a unit with an issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=15276
Based on that poll 15/18 people receive a unit without a defect. Keep in mind that one of the people in the thread said he exchanged it multiple times due to backlight bleed, which is (unfortunately) normal for an IPS LCD depending on the severity. Some of the people who answered "No issue" may have received a tablet with backlight bleed but compared it to other tablets and realized it's "normal."
Just buy it from somewhere with a good return/exchange policy and go from there.
well i just switched to t-mobile maybe a week or two ago and got the S5 because it was what they had in store and i just came from a S4 from verizon and thought it couldn't hurt to stay loyal to samsung.
Well i been watching a lot of videos of the M8 and it seems i am starting to take a liking to it but for some reason i feel like i am downgrading (maybe because the S5 is just a tad newer)
How is the rooting on this device and does this phone have CWM yet? i like to flash roms and i already have my S5 rooted and CWM already and is the bootloader on this phone unlocked? i have never used a HTC device before and i have always stuck with Samsung smart phones.
how is the battery life on this phone? and has anyone else exhanged there S5 for a M8?
also another thing that is wanting me to switch is that cool dot case that makes it seem like a old school 8 bit deal.
Can't comment on the s5 but I have had the s3, s4, and the note 3 but my most recent phone before my switch was the nexus 5. I'm sort of bias because I HATE touchwiz. Every Samsung I have had that was the first thing I got rid of. HTC has come along way and I'm not sure if you can actually say the s5 is newer since I'm pretty sure they were released the same day.
Anyways CWM and TWRP are both available just depends on your build date if you can complete the process to getting it. But I'm sure that will be rectified soon enough.
That all being said I love my M8 I'm going on day 3 now and not looking back. But I honestly never even had the s5 as a thought in my mind because I've owned plenty of Samsung devices including the gear and don't think I will be returning anytime soon.
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The M8 is quite a phone. I still have a rooted S4 with an AOSP ROM installed since I hate Touchwiz as well. I'm thinking of switching too because I love the aluminum build, BoomSound speakers, and Sense is very good and fluid unlike many other Android skins; not to mention it adds some functionality with the useful gestures. Only thing I can gripe about the M8 is the camera being such a low mega(ultra)pixel count, and the power button being on top. Good thing the gestures allow you to wake the device without having to use power button. I say switch if you don't take many pictures with the rear facing camera. According to some reviewers like Android Authority and PocketNow, the battery on this is really good despite it having a smaller battery.
I did. Got s5 first, used for a day. Wasn't impressed, even bored would say. Sent it back and got M8 instead, very pleased so far. Even camera is not as bad as I thought it would be
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I like you was a loyal Samsung guy, but I decided to go HTC and I love it. It's a beautiful device.
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If you can tolerate the touch wiz lag and stuttering, then you will be fine with S5. If you want buttery smooth perf then get the M8. I have the unlocked version of M8 and got the T-Mobile S5 on launch day. Just returned the S5 back yesterday because I can't tolerate lag and stutter on such powerful hardware. It's really a shame, S5 has such an awesome screen and camera but Samsung ****ed up again in software. You will not notice it immediately but after 2 or 3 days the software starts bogging the device down.
On the M8, have been using for almost 20 days and it runs buttery smooth still.
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I did the exact same thing as you and have no regrets at all. The m8 is hands down the more polished phone and already has some really great roms over in the regular m8 forums that are compatible with the T-mobile version. Do it!
Had a Galaxy 1 & 3 and I was a big fan. I found the 5 to be pretty boring. That doesn't mean it isn't a quality phone, there just isn't any distinction between itself and it's predecessors.
My last HTC was the G1 so I thought I would switch it up and I am glad I did.
I have been a loyal Sammy customer since the vibrant days. Last year in Jan I bought a Nexus device and it was nice. Again I went back to Sammy, until the LG G2. What an amazing device, smooth UI and it was different. Then HTC One M8 came out and decided to give in and give HTC again after the HTC Sensation. WOW. HTC got it right, the build quality and the way the device actually feels in your hands is just awesome. I have experienced 0 lag in the last few days I have owned the device. In love with it so much so, next week jumping the wife's S4 to the M8.
Make the jump you will definitely will not be disappointed.
Just my 2 cents.
Oh yea the one thing I loved about the G2 is the knock off feature. With being able to wake the M8 via knock, I installed Nova Prime and downloaded screen off and now I have full knock off and on.
I have the M8 and love it, Coming from S3/S4/Note 3 my biggest issue was Touchwiz and the sometimes buggy software like Watch on. SInce you root and do customs ROMS I would say just stick with S5.
My wife is making the switch today. There are a few reasons outside of the fact hers was defective.
Speaker - the whole back of the phone rattles while the speaker is playing. Its so bad it can be felt outside a case. Not to mention its just horrible.
The build leaves a lot to be desired. It looks and feels real cheap. The software is buggy and has a lot of slowdowns, its preloaded with tons of useless stuff and the camera, while good has its downsides.
She had the M7 and loved it except for the purple flare issue and the battery life. They fixed both of those on the M8.
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I had s2 s4 and note 3 , now I am a happy owner of m8. Galaxies are good phones but this m8 is at another level.... The speakers sound, the camera, and the build quality I like it better.
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I'm coming from Samsung, note 3...I've had a galaxy, galaxy 2, galaxy 4, note, note 2, note 3. Get the m8 you will not be disappointed. Sense 6 is so much better than touchwiz. I usually put nova launcher on my Samsung's but never had to on the m7 or m8. Just my opinion.
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I did the exact same thing as you and have no regrets at all. The m8 is hands down the more polished phone and already has some really great roms over in the regular m8 forums that are compatible with the T-mobile version. Do it!
I gotta agree with everybody else. The last Sammy I had was the note 2 and I hated TouchWiz. I feel like Samsung tries to cram as much gimmicky software crap into their phones with ends up just being a cluttered mess. The S5 may have a slightly better camera but the M8 kicks its ass in every other category besides battery capacity. And trust me the camera is not that bad. It can still take some nice shots. The M8 is such a beautiful phone and def got it right in terms of design. The Galaxy line seems to be the same phone with hardware bumps. Seriously play with a S4 and S5 side by side, besides the slight design change its hard to tell them apart...
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TL;DR Watch This > M8 vs S5 performance
As someone that comes from the S2, S3, Note 2, Note 3 Devices. I can tell you that one of the things that finally put me over the edge was how buggy Touchwiz got in the end (with Note 3).
I could never have looked at the M8 as a downgrade from even the S5. I did not own the S5, however you have to consider more than just specs. My biggest worry was picture quality. I have the phone and don't worry about it because it takes as good a picture as I would like. I use the camera more than anything and am really picky so this was surprising.
The battery is great (comparable to my Note 3 which was bigger battery), the build is unrivaled, the sound (if you love music, the aux and speakers are unmatched) is crazy and finally the OS. Touchwiz was starting to get buggier with every iteration. I have seen it with the S5 and there is plenty of evidence.
The M8 simply does not lag. Whatever you throw at it, however fast you are, no matter how fast you text, no matter what you try to do, it doesn't slow down. The Note 3 would hiccup, freeze, and all sorts of stuff.
Also, I had second thoughts in the reverse. I thought should I have gone with the S5? Was it the better phone? This helped put my mind at ease > Opinion about S5 inferior abilities
Get the M8, enjoy it's speed, build and awesome power, forget about brand loyalty. Brands should earn your loyalty, not get it for free or because you are 'used' to them.
I am coming from a s4 to the M8. I also had the S2 and S3. Samsungs software has gotten so bloated. Today is my 2nd full day with my M8. Normally I would be at around 60 percent battery if I am lucky. Today I am still at 82% with medium usage 10 hours off charger. That is with NFC Bluetooth GPS and Wifi on. (I have a pebble.) While I can not a test to the S5 I will say I love the M8 the software is just cleaner and easier to use. I don't get lost in the menu.
I owned the S5 for a week before I went to the M8. The S5 was probably the worst samsung phone I have had and I have used the S2, S3, S4, Note and Note 3. The UI had so much lag and when playing games it would completely freeze up on me, speaker was horrible, ton of useless bloat and the feel was very cheap. I could literally hold the phone at opposite corners and the whole thing would flex with almost no effort. For me Samsung has lost me to HTC unless they decide to come up with better speakers and premium build quality.
Tested the S5 when I was decided to buy the M8 didn't convinced me Camera could be better yes but it's not bad... hearth rate sensor you can have it on HTC also with an app so S5 is just plastic phone with Band Aid look!
Haven gotten the HTC One X then the M7 i thought this year I'd give the galaxy s5 a go. The camera was the biggest selling point for me, plus the waterproofness. After a few days I was super over it. It wasn't anything special, and switching to t-mobile where you end up financing the full price of the phone I wasn't satisfied. And I knew I wouldn't be happy, and it didn't feel worth committing to a device for a price tag of $660. The second I held the M8 I knew I made the right decision. Everything felt way smoother. I prefer the screen, aluminum design, and of course boom sound. Why its not a standard on all handsets is beyond me.
The Moto X+ might temp me though.. I love the idea of always listening. My xbox one has spoiled me. I feel like all electronics should respond to your voice without having to fidget with any buttons. The One+ also looks killer..
For now though I am very happy with my M8. Theres no doubt its the best android option out there at the moment.
Being a Big Turbo fan - I think I moving on to an HTC 10 - Since Google hired them to produce the next Nexus line it is time to leave Moto. Have to tell ya I have 4 Turbo 2's - 2 of them had bad mics and the 4th I believe has bad mics. I think Motos quality control sucks and to get any issues fix is like pulling teeth now. I am just tired of lack of quality of these phones. I have had a refresh and just not totally happy with the Turbo 2 performance.
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Being a Big Turbo fan - I think I moving on to an HTC 10 - Since Google hired them to produce the next Nexus line it is time to leave Moto. Have to tell ya I have 4 Turbo 2's - 2 of them had bad mics and the 4th I believe has bad mics. I think Motos quality control sucks and to get any issues fix is like pulling teeth now. I am just tired of lack of quality of these phones. I have had a refresh and just not totally happy with the Turbo 2 performance.
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I hear you and I don"t blame you.
I had the Droid X, Droid Maxx, Droid Turbo, and Droid Turbo 2 and probably the best one out of the lot imo was the Droid X. Not specs wise, but I had the least bit of trouble out of that particular phone than all the rest of them. However, I have grown weary of Verizon handcuffing their phones and me having to sit around and wait for updates, root exploits, etc. So, I have dumped Verizon's locked down phones and have gotten myself an unlocked gsm phone and am using it on T-Mobile. I have already rooted it, partitioned my sd card and am using it with link2sd plus. Feels great to once again truly own my phone.
Yeah I cannot go T-Mobile and will not be doing that I am an Unlimited Data guy, I just going to keep my T2 for now but I am going to try the HTC10 - I hate Samsung and only like 5.2 or smaller screens so LG's are out. Just frustrated with Moto
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I hear you and I don"t blame you.
I had the Droid X, Droid Maxx, Droid Turbo, and Droid Turbo 2 and probably the best one out of the lot imo was the Droid X. Not specs wise, but I had the least bit of trouble out of that particular phone than all the rest of them. However, I have grown weary of Verizon handcuffing their phones and me having to sit around and wait for updates, root exploits, etc. So, I have dumped Verizon's locked down phones and have gotten myself an unlocked gsm phone and am using it on T-Mobile. I have already rooted it, partitioned my sd card and am using it with link2sd plus. Feels great to once again truly own my phone.
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^^^+1 Totally agree, I'd suggest buying unlocked and unbranded from now on. I thought I could take going to a DT2 from a Nexus 6. Long story short, I could not. I got my unlocked Moto X Pure from Swappa yesterday. Goodbye DT2 forums, it's been unproductive.
I'm like you loved droids now not so much. Between Verizon and moto updates suck and warranty issues are horrendous. I would wait for the htc nexus devices before getting the htc 10. At least see what they offer.
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I'm like you loved droids now not so much. Between Verizon and moto updates suck and warranty issues are horrendous. I would wait for the htc nexus devices before getting the htc 10. At least see what they offer.
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Hot the HTC 10 quality is so much better than T2 - I switch phones a lot cost no object - I love the size and the quality of audio. I miss the battery life a little but I got so fed up with Moto. Not only that my shatterproof screen now has a soft dent in it - I had a screen protector too. I will probably get a Nexus if they co,e 5.2 or smaller
Experiencing likewise disappointment, can not get smart lock to work at all, all calls received and initiated go to speed dial, can't easily block numbers, moto voice is junk, tolerating those minors. Most recent, no music over Bluetooth, and the one I'm not able to tolerate, hand set silents notifications so I'm missing texts and calls. I'll be watching the HTC released also, thanks for mentioning those upcoming models. This DDT2 just seems sub par to all my previous Motorola models....And seems like monthly security or other software updates with improvements are non existent.
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Experiencing likewise disappointment, can not get smart lock to work at all, all calls received and initiated go to speed dial, can't easily block numbers, moto voice is junk, tolerating those minors. Most recent, no music over Bluetooth, and the one I'm not able to tolerate, hand set silents notifications so I'm missing texts and calls. I'll be watching the HTC released also, thanks for mentioning those upcoming models. This DDT2 just seems sub par to all my previous Motorola models....And seems like monthly security or other software updates with improvements are non existent.
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On top of all had a screen protector and saw a small dent in it, removed it and guess what that shatterproof lens is soft plastic, it has 1/8" soft indenture in it - right in the middle of the screen. I called Moto and demanded they replace it, just a joke that they put a lens on a phone that actually indents. They wanted me to pay for a new one and I told them now way. I am selling my phone probably but I want it to be perfect for the buyer and it is not. I truly believe the 4th device I got still has some mic issues or proximity issues. Shipped it back Fed Ex (aka they sent me labels ground cheapos) - Now seeing the new Motos being announced and everything is 5.5" screens I am kind of happy I left. The 5.2" is the sweet spot for me. Not saying I will not be back but I was not happy with the all around performance, design and quality of the T2. Tried the Kevlar and Soft grip and very slippery as well.
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Being a Big Turbo fan - I think I moving on to an HTC 10 - Since Google hired them to produce the next Nexus line it is time to leave Moto. Have to tell ya I have 4 Turbo 2's - 2 of them had bad mics and the 4th I believe has bad mics. I think Motos quality control sucks and to get any issues fix is like pulling teeth now. I am just tired of lack of quality of these phones. I have had a refresh and just not totally happy with the Turbo 2 performance.
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I"ve been fortunate to not have any problems with my DT2. The overall performance of my DT2 is incredibly fast and stable. No lag, everything seems to operate just fine. But lately, I've noticed the battery life is less than stellar. I can't seem to find out why my battery drains so fast. I have only played tunein radio for about an hour, made a few texts, asked Google a question, and ZERO phone calls. Took the fully charged DT2 off the charger at about 8 am and it is 11:52 am now. My battery is at 70 %.
I do however run PIA (private internet access) and I a, hoping that is what is killing it. Though it shows very little usage, I'm hoping that is it.
Oh yeah, last night I took some 4K video of my girl's bday for about 6 minutes and my phone was on FIRE!!! Holy cow that thing got hot fast! Guess I'll stick to regular HD video since I don't have a 4K player anyway.
I do not blame you to.
I sold my MXF couple days ago and I'm receiving the SGS7 Edge tomorow!
Had to decide between the SGS7 Edge and the HTC 10.
I think I decided well to cancel my pre order of the HTC 10, because of their constantely delaying.
Users who own both they say sgs7 edge wins over the htc. display, camera, battery, etc.
Me too. I now own an awesome Nexus 6p, and I'm not looking back. Now the only problem is selling the damn thing. Droids are tough to sell since mostly phone geeks buy used phones and the Droid brand is now mostly reviled by them.
It also sucks that the used value for the turbo 2 is so low. These are $624 phones, and they're going for around $350. Why??
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This is my first Droid. Love the styling, love the performance, but they just cracked the bootloader on the Note4, so Ill probably go back to that.
I just pick up another set on eBay for 300.
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The speakerphone just plain sucks on the dt2. I really can't wait to get rid of this phone. I can't wait to check out the htc nexus. Really digging the htc 10.
Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
Currently the only vote heh, so I'll elaborate on my "It's alright" (the cons). I don't think there's a worthier replacement for it, but there's definitely room for improvement.
- The captive buttons are a touch too low, just enough to be a minor inconvenience physically when reaching for them, and sometimes more when you miss them by a bit.
- I like the fingerprint scanner being a touch scanner (don't need to press it), but since it acts as a home button too, it's prone to accidental presses. I also just prefer a physical home button, my preference when it comes to feel. Ideally it would've been an actual button, but also touch sensitive just for the scanner.
- The screen could be brighter. Not a deal breaker, but it's less bright at max settings than my old m7 it replaced.
- Battery. I wish they put in a bigger one. It's quite alright when it comes to battery life, but it's just that the phone is thin enough in my opinion that making it a bit thicker for a 3600 battery could've definitely helped, and be better instead.
- Extremely minor, but still - the boom sound icon shouldn't be there when I'm playing music, if BOOM sound is turned off.
Not a fan of decryption.
It's already turned into a headache for me.
It makes being a flash-a-holic tougher.
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I have had mine for 2 weeks or so. I like it and keeping it. That being said... It's not perfect and don't think there will ever be a perfect phone. I'm on Sprint and coming from a LG G2. Coming from a G2 I'm always reaching for the buttons on the back and touching the camera requiring lots of cleaning for good picture. And I miss some of the customization of LG homescreen layout. The 10 is fast and responsive. Battery is great for me and quick charge is awesome. Takes good pics but usually requires some user adjustment prior to taking. Hopefully updates can make for better point and shoot. Some minor annoyances of getting used to a different phone after about 3 years with the same phone.
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Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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I have the Unlocked HTC 10 modified to be a Verizon phone. Had the M7, M8, and M9 before this, and really like it. The brighter notification light and less carrier bloat make it perfect. It's fast, does not overheat, and has great hand feel.
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Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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We're given only one life, bro, consequently it's no doubt your mistake failing getting an hTc 10 the last April yet.. ??
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
Extremely happy with mine. Second favorite Android device after the Nexus 5
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Most recent phones just the past 12 months;
- OnePlus One ( Which I still have as a backup )
- Galaxy Note 5 ( Rooted and ROM'd )
- LG G5 ( Owned for like a week and returned for various reasons )
- HTC 10 ( rooted and running LeeDroid )
Out of the above 4 phones I have had within this year, I surprisingly still like the OPO a lot more than I'd ever think, mainly for the wicked awesome CM13 ROM's out there, and amazing development community on that phone., but the phone is showing it's age of course. Th Note 5 was really nice, but just got sick of Samsung and the MAJOR wait for MM was insane, not coming out till like late April / Early May, putting it like 7 to 8 months after the Nexus devices originally got it, that's inexcusable. The LG G5 not a bad phone at all, actually feels really good in the hand, and overall a nice size, and the G5 battery was shockingly very good, giving me 6h Screen On time with ease. But the screen was too dim, not bright enough, the display was very poor and cheap, and sucked outdoors, and the build quality seemed just ok, and the development community almost nonexistent, I gave up after one week, it was an ok phone.
The HTC 10 really is cool, fantastic build quality, but the screen isn't the best outdoors either, not like a recent Samsung phone, which are outstanding on sunny days. The development community for the 10 is GREAT, and hoping to see a solid CM13 eventually on it. But little things irk me, the stupid lock screen weather deal, I don't want to have to have GPS enabled to see the weather on my lock screen, why can't I just enter in a specific city, and have it show the weather based off the city I choose ? And I seem to have issues with selecting a different lock screen wallpaper than the home screen, it just never sticks, only shows the same wallpaper as the home screen I set. But could be the DPI I changed ?
Also, themes on the HCT 10 sucks IMO, compared to Samsung, ( And I am no Samsung fan whatsoever ) But the themes on Samsung, really transform EVERYTHING on the phone, the pull down quick settings, to the phone dialer, to Messaging, to Settings menu. Look at the AOSP Themes for a Samsung phone, they radically change the look of the phone big time, throughout the entire system. I have yet to see HTC's themes offer anything like that ?
Battery life seems pretty good with my tweaks, I am getting 5.5h to 6h Screen On time.
Most likely will dump this phone for the new Nexus this September.
I love it! The best phone on market for me.
But those ugly stock quick settings...
The first ever android phone in many years i havent rooted. Enjoying the phone rather than flashing constantly. Best phone out there currently, but looking forward fo next LG
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Thanks everyone for your votes and replies so far. Most seem to love their phone so far. I guess the results might be biased as most of those that hated it would likely have already returned it and wouldn't be on this thread in the first place.
Two things I've been following concern me though, and I'm curious if any of you HTC 10 lovers have experienced these problems.
The first is the Gap-gate (or Mind the Gap), where people have noticed a significant gap between the bezel and the aluminum frame. Most the people complaining so far seem to have the white face model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/gap-screen-frame-t3376620
And the second is the fact that more than one person has claimed that the HTC 10 has destroyed their SD cards.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-damaged-micro-sd-card-t3385664
Interested to hear the view of HTC 10 owners that maybe have had their phone since release (ie a couple months now).