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So, I have a new Note7 with the green battery icon (yuck) and life is good. I have a flight in about 2 weeks. It's not super long, but around 4 hours. I usually enjoy using my phone to read, listen to white noise, or watch some shows. Has anyone flown since the recall? Can I expect pushback from the security or airline staff? Has anyone actually had to turn theirs off even though they have the ugly, green icon?
I guess I'll probably grab and old-fashioned book just in case, but was just wondering what the state-of-affairs is like in the air for us now.
I've flown with my replacement, and there was no issue. No one asked about it at any point. I have a case on it, so it doesn't stand out to most people as anything other than the countless other phones they see each day.
Nobody will know what phone you have. They might announce on the plane "if you have a Note 7, please turn it off" but they don't check everyone's phone to see what model it is. Just use it.
It's not a security issue, and the TSA is clueless anyway, so they won't know or care what phone you have.
Sounds good. I know I'm not putting anyone in danger, so I won't bring any attention to myself or my phone. I did call Southwest, and the lady on the phone told me per regulation I would not be able to power it up; however, I doubt anyone is going to say anything. I'll probably avoid pulling out the S-Pen just in case. That really sort of announces you are using a Note series phone.
As a Pilot with Air Canada there was an initial memo on the Note 7. The service directors do make a P.A.
There has been no update since saying what battery to look for etc. There has been no new directive from Transport Canada, or the FAA regarding new models.
That said, I have my new one and am on day 1 of my 4 day pairing with it.
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
I've confronted Samsung with the FAA advisory and haven't gotten an answer yet. My demand was that the replacement phone be marked clearly on the exterior or the phone be renamed, like Note 7s or something.
Instead I've gotten an identically looking replacement. I've sent a followup mail to the support. Let's wait and see.
Meanwhile to me the device is utterly useless for flying, thus it rests in its original box.
I seriously hope that Samsung is in contact with the FAA at all regarding this issue, because if not they might as well have a second wave of replacements on their hands.
i flew about a week and a half ago. i don't myself have a note 7 but i do remember 1 out of 4 boarding gates did make an announcement if u have a note 7 they "ask" it to be powered down. nothing saying it was mandatory. i would think tsa would have to be involved at security check in. they are the only ones who will physically see everyones phones. that will cause a huge problem because lots of people have no idea how to tell what kind of phone u have. they would be holding up everyone with a samsung phone no matter what version it is
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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I think we were on the same flight. Lol
They don't have a clue. I used mine the whole flight. Texting, listening to music, watching a movie and reading magazines.
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Three out of four legs on a Delta flight last week mentioned it.
And now I have my reply from Samsung: They don't care about the FAA advisory. They are stating that the green battery icon, they put in the software is enough.
Heck you could get that stupid icon by installing a theme or a ROM if you so wish.
I don't know how Samsung believes it's seriously competing with anyone, let alone Apple, with that kind of customer service.
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I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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That pretty much sums it all up in one sentence. It's all one big farce!
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MrBaltazar said:
I flew to/from Vegas last week with the defective model. Their announcement was "if you have the galaxy 7 (verbatim) please power it off for the duration of the flight"
They have no clue. You could tell them it's the new iphone and they still wouldn't know the difference.
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Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Yes, these air crew people are truly dumb. Expecting their customers to care and give a crap about air safety, I mean who cares what happens at 11,000M?
They will be supplying baby sitters next despite the fact we don't all need one. [emoji14]
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They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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apprentice said:
They allow people to get very drunk on an aircraft
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
and that in my opinion is far more dangerous than my Note 7 will ever be.
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Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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No, that's not allowed (although it does happen occasionally).
Drunk people aren't known for catching fire. Planes have crashed due to onboard fires. Has a plane ever crashed because of a drunk passenger?
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know. Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
Fires cause plane crashes yes, but how many are due to someone's phone? Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices. That includes cameras, laptops, music players etc. Something that an airline would never do because it would lose them fare paying passengers, money is more important than safety.
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It's quite possible an intoxicated passenger has caused a crash. Some air crash investigations are inconclusive. We'll never know.
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We've got known crashes due to fires, vs. no known or even suspected crashes due to drunk passengers (but yes, as with almost anything, we'll "never know" beyond any possible doubt).
Drunk people aren't allowed to board a plane (though a lot get through) but people do become drunk on board and planes often have to divert/land to remove a drunk passenger because they are putting the safety of the aircraft at risk. So I stand by my first point firmly.
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It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
Why has the Note 7 been singled out? The issue has been resolved and the actual (genuine) cases of battery fires has been pretty small in perspective. Any device with a battery has a potential to catch fire, there have been many other devices that proved that. So if you going to ban a particular phone because of this tiny risk, then you need to start banning all battery powered devices
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The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices.
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It is illegal to become drunk on an airliner, no matter how "firmly" you assert the contrary. Of course it does happen, but that doesn't mean it's permitted (murder happens too, even though it's prohibited).
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through. I have witnessed it many times. What happens when someone becomes drunk during a flight? Do they say.. "That's illegal, lets open the door and kick you out?" Obviously not they have to let that passenger continue and consider more drastic actions if that passenger endangers the aircraft. Again this happens a lot. The emphasis on "Endangering"
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The pre-recall Note 7s were singled out because they caught fire at a rate 100 times greater than other devices. It's entirely reasonable to draw a line that says that that rate poses an unacceptable risk, while for other devices (including the post-recall Note 7s) the much-smaller risk is low enough to permit the devices
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Where did you get this 100 times figure from? How many genuine cases of fires were there? It is still a tiny risk, considering the amount of Note 7's produced, the probability of a passenger owning one, the probability that it will catch fire whilst not being charged or unattended, the probability that the owner has a replaced Note 7 anyway. This would be the same probability of another of the tens of thousands of battery powered devices carried on aircraft in any given day. So no, it's a knee jerk reaction from airlines and it's only become like that due to over inflated sensationilised news coverage and social media.
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I never once said "firmly" or otherwise that it wasn't illegal did I? I said a lot get through.
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Where did you get this 100 times figure from?
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Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Oh come on. You said (falsely) that becoming drunk on board was "allowed", and you specifically contrasted that with boarding while drunk, which you acknowledged is not allowed even though people do get through. So you were obviously not using "allowed" to mean "forbidden but it still happens" (and even if you had been, pre-recall Note 7s are "allowed" in that sense too).
Samsung acknowledged about 10 fires per week (even after filtering out the false reports) out of a million phones in use, which equates to more than 500 fires per year per million phones. Can you cite any other device with a combustion rate of more than 5 per year per million (other than hoverboards, which are also banned on airplanes)?
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Jeez... did you go to the school of pedantic?? Your statement is really nit picking. I am not stupid, I do know it's illegal, what I was expressly implying was that even if just one person got on a plane drunk, they are effectively being allowed. OK? I was not suggesting for one minute that I disputed it wasn't legal.
In relation to your other facts, it's all pie in sky (no pun intended) over half a million Note 7's were replaced a week ago, so I am estimating in another week or so 90% or more of the batch will have been replaced. So I am saying the chances are miniscule of a Note 7 causing such an issue. It won't stop stupid people ranting about how dangerous this device is. People love to scaremonger and people love to knee jerk.
So here is the thing. People claim that their notes "caught on fire". Both the original and replacements. Have these people sent all of their phones back to Samsung for inspection? If I just say that my note caught on fire and provide no proof, do they still count his as a case? This whole fiasco seems very odd to me. It is not like companies like apple have not tried stuffing the most battery in a phone before. Plus, does anybody really know how these people who have proven cases were using their phones?
I mean, we all know that every phone is not perfect and a few are going to have these issues. Samsung supposively cannot replicate this issue. The fact that the Note 7 beat the iphone to the punch and was a real threat to their 7 plus just seems a bit strange to me that all of a sudden this was going on.
I will do my due diligence and check out the pixel and the V20, but if either does not meet what I want, I am keeping my note. Samsung washers have reportedly "exploded" too, but I still use it and there has not been a recall.
You shouldn't take things so personally, as if Samsung is going to kill you or mangle you if you don't return that damned Note 7. The right thing to do is return it, if you can't see that then that's your problem but know if you don't return it and something actually does happen - you get injured in some manner or someone else does, or property gets damaged in some manner - you're on your own and you have no legal recourse to sue Samsung or anyone else now that the worldwide recall is official.
You and many others like you can ramble on with post after post after post about how Samsung is at fault (they know it), how bad this is for Samsung (they know it), that people will miss the Note products from Samsung (they know it), that Samsung should do something to fix things (they know it and they're working on it and it's costing them billions to do so), and how pissed you and others are about this whole fiasco (they know it).
We all know it, things happen, mistakes happen, sometimes it all goes wrong and nothing can be done to curtail that until AFTER it's happened which is the case here with the Note 7.
What's done is done, get over it. Return the device, get the refund, move on, because anything else is just whining.
The problem I have.....
I just signed up for a 2 yr payment plan for the phone...have had it 2 weeks now I need to swap it for another phone... THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE that can match the Note 7 other then maybe the S7edge.....but that phone has been out since march and now I'll have it for another 2 years!!!
So my upgrade just got really downgraded for 2 years!!
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br0adband said:
You shouldn't take things so personally, as if Samsung is going to kill you or mangle you if you don't return that damned Note 7. The right thing to do is return it, if you can't see that then that's your problem but know if you don't return it and something actually does happen - you get injured in some manner or someone else does, or property gets damaged in some manner - you're on your own and you have no legal recourse to sue Samsung or anyone else now that the worldwide recall is official.
You and many others like you can ramble on with post after post after post about how Samsung is at fault (they know it), how bad this is for Samsung (they know it), that people will miss the Note products from Samsung (they know it), that Samsung should do something to fix things (they know it and they're working on it and it's costing them billions to do so), and how pissed you and others are about this whole fiasco (they know it).
We all know it, things happen, mistakes happen, sometimes it all goes wrong and nothing can be done to curtail that until AFTER it's happened which is the case here with the Note 7.
What's done is done, get over it. Return the device, get the refund, move on, because anything else is just whining.
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Do we actually have any real proof of what is actually going on with the phone and why this is happening? Like i said, I will do my due diligence and take a look at other options. But this whole thing stinks of apple having their hand in this. They have no innovations since who knows when and Samsung was pretty much beating them in everything.
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The problem I have.....
I just signed up for a 2 yr payment plan for the phone...have had it 2 weeks now I need to swap it for another phone... THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE that can match the Note 7 other then maybe the S7edge.....but that phone has been out since march and now I'll have it for another 2 years!!!
So my upgrade just got really downgraded for 2 years!!
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Yup. My only option is to just get a full refund and wait till the Galaxy 8 pro or whatever they will call it comes out.
I wish that was an option for me...but I just swapped the vzw due to service in my area so my note 4 was traded in!!! Uggg
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Fourstarzzzz said:
... and Samsung was pretty much beating them in everything.
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Except actual sales.
As for the rest of what you said, Samsung is currently conducting their internal investigation and that will take as long as it takes. If and when they do reach a conclusion and discover what caused the issues with the Note 7 that eventually prompted the worldwide recall they will make a public statement.
Until that actual public statement appears on a Samsung official website (based on countries, as in there's a Korean site, a US site, a Canadian site, a UK site, etc) then pretty much everything you hear, read, or see can be considered speculative conjecture at best.
There can be some actually logical speculative conjecture in some degrees because Li-Ion batteries work in predictable and very well known ways - the issue here is what's causing them to end up in runaway conditions aka burning up and sometimes exploding. It could be a charging issue, it could be an issue with the thermal limitations being exceeded, it could be an issue with pressure on the battery inside the device once it's all closed up caused by the construction of the device itself, it could be any additional pressure exerted on the already compressed battery by outside forces (bending, punctures, sitting down with a Note 7 in a pocket especially a back pocket), and so on.
We don't know anything for 100% actual fact at this point except to say that some Note 7 devices have catastrophically failed and enough of them have failed to cause Samsung to issue the worldwide recall.
All that matters is that the recall is in place and that the devices should be returned for exchange with another device (not a Note 7 of course) or a refund of the purchase price.
Anything else is just babbling from idiots.
br0adband said:
Except actual sales.
As for the rest of what you said, Samsung is currently conducting their internal investigation and that will take as long as it takes. If and when they do reach a conclusion and discover what caused the issues with the Note 7 that eventually prompted the worldwide recall they will make a public statement.
Until that actual public statement appears on a Samsung official website (based on countries, as in there's a Korean site, a US site, a Canadian site, a UK site, etc) then pretty much everything you hear, read, or see can be considered speculative conjecture at best.
There can be some actually logical speculative conjecture in some degrees because Li-Ion batteries work in predictable and very well known ways - the issue here is what's causing them to end up in runaway conditions aka burning up and sometimes exploding. It could be a charging issue, it could be an issue with the thermal limitations being exceeded, it could be an issue with pressure on the battery inside the device once it's all closed up caused by the construction of the device itself, it could be any additional pressure exerted on the already compressed battery by outside forces (bending, punctures, sitting down with a Note 7 in a pocket especially a back pocket), and so on.
We don't know anything for 100% actual fact at this point except to say that some Note 7 devices have catastrophically failed and enough of them have failed to cause Samsung to issue the worldwide recall.
All that matters is that the recall is in place and that the devices should be returned for exchange with another device (not a Note 7 of course) or a refund of the purchase price.
Anything else is just babbling from idiots.
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Any reason why you are taking this so personal and calling people names? Must be a Hillary supporter....
You think humans in general aren't idiotic and stupid more often than not?
Seriously?
Has there been one single case of me naming and calling out any specific member here and saying "Hey, <member name, you're a stupid person..." or anything of that nature, or are you just taking my belief that people in general are stupid and my pointing that out in general (without naming specific people) at times is a problem for someone in specific 'cause I don't see any actual proof of that happening.
Pretty sure that there are more Samsung phones worldwide than Apple. I know for a fact there are WAY more android phones worldwide - over 70% of the market share, if not more. So I guess it depends on what your definition is in "beating them in sales".
OK, I just looked it up. In 2016, Samsung has 22.8% of the phones world wide. Apple has 11.7%. So Samsung has about twice the amount of phones selling as Apple. 87.6% of the phones world wide are Android BTW.
We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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I reported your disruptive behavior.
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I reported your disruptive behavior.
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Telling people that you reported them for <whatever> is usually considered to be a bad thing and generally frowned upon but thanks for your efforts just the same.
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Telling people that you reported them for <whatever> is usually considered to be a bad thing and generally frowned upon but thanks for your efforts just the same.
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Your logic is twisted.
br0adband said:
We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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In a previous post you said Apple was beating Samsung in sales. That is categorically untrue. Now you are backtracking. Samsung has more than just 2 phones they offer. But that doesn't matter. The phones they DO offer, they sell twice as many of them a year than the two phones Apple does offer (and remember, it wasn't long ago Apple scoffed at the idea that they would need to offer more than one device, or a larger display device at all).
We all know this discussion is on the Note 7. You threw in a quip that was inclusive of more than the Note 7 as a "gotcha", but a gotcha that wasn't at all accurate to the actual statistical sales data. What was your point? The same as your point in typing thousands of words in many posts on a Note 7 forum when you don't even own a Note 7 and never did. Pointless.
The Note 7 is basically Samsung's flagship device to compete directly with the launch of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, is that really in dispute? And at this moment in time, there have been more iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus units sold worldwide than there have been Note 7 units sold worldwide, by a fairly large margin. In probable fact, there were more iPhone 7 sales than the Note 7 and there were more iPhone 7 Plus sales than the Note 7 when taken as individual devices even though they were released at the same time - that means the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus being released at the same time in September, not the Note 7 which was released in August.
That's all I said, twice now.
You said Apple is beating Samsung in sales. Which is not even remotely true. So now you want to backtrack and single onto one device and make the same claim. And FYI, in 2015, Samsung sold more phones than Apple in Q4, which is usually when Apple does the best as they release the new Ifones in Q4. As I mentioned in a previous post, Samsung sells almost twice as many phones a year as Apple.
No one is debating Apple sells a lot of ifones. Especially in the US. But you might as well acknowledge that they actually don't sell more phones than Samsung, not even close. Unless you want to tweak the stats to just one phone for Samsung, of which they offer several different devices. No one says they only have to offer one or two different models. IDC if Apple sells more or Samsung sells more - that never had anything to do with any of this anyway, but you had to make your quip about it as if it does.
It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.
I get that you didn't do a search but a similar topic is still on the first page of this subforum.
There's probably three other similar topics on this. And all of them end up with the same tiresome squabble.
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It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.
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Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
Ryland
Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?
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Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?
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Naw, everything is OK at Samsung. I own the washer. I just wear headgear and chest protection when I do the wash. I'm not worried about the Note7 either and will continue to use it until the end. I am a fortunate one though because I have protected my home with Samsung fire detection equipment and security cameras. Therefore I am very comfortable with my choices to live on the edge.
Consider these possibilities while remembering the funny tune from Monty Python. My washer explodes injuring me. I grab my Note7 to dial 911 and it bursts into flames. My fire detection equipment malfunctions allowing my home to burn down.
Who's fault is it?..... HA!
Makes me uncomfortable to have anything resembling a gun with Samsung's name on it pointed directly at me (the cameras) so it does..... lol And then there is this: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/flaws...let-hackers-unlock-doors-set-off-fire-alarms/
Ryland Johnson said:
Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
Ryland
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no.. i disagree. I think if mine did go "pop" that i would notify Samsung and make sure it was sent back to them. I WANT them to figure out the issue. I wouldn't be looking for any kind of payout, etc, i knew the risks when i continued to use the phone.
85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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CerveCesar said:
This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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Riiiight? That's why I said US. Most of the drama in the press came from the us and the cpsc piece also came the us. That's why what I said was relevant. Cases are dying down here since only 15% remain.
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no fires recently
How about this?
http://gizmodo.com/a-different-sams...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Not the N7, a J5.
Maybe Samsung should really just revert back to removable battery design.
Or maybe they should, like they themselves said, make some serious changes in quality control.
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Any recent Note 7 fires?
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Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
Now keep on message!
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Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
Now keep on message!
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The disgraceful way the media dealt with this news was nothing short of absurd.
You are correct, NO Note 7 'exploded'. An explosion, in any form, would make the detonated device fragment into many pieces sending the Note 7 all over the place including floor, ceiling, walls etc. To date, every incident has resulted in the note catching fire BUT the device itself has not fragmented. WE can see after each fire the mobile is left in one burnt piece, its not even burnt to the point of becoming unrecognisabel.
I am NOT suggesting when the Mobile has gone pop that's its acceptable! I am stating it clearly doesn't explode.
I would guess the main concern is fire, the mobile could be the ignition point or catalyst for surrounding areas to ignite thus causing a fire. Again to date I 'think' such fires have been localised to a very small area that's IF a fire was caused at all. I saw a clip of a 4x4 going up in the USA but still have not read the results of the investigation so I am discounting that incident. I suggest the problems are what could happen rather than what will happen and that is the cause of the mobile becoming black listed in more and more public areas such as aircraft, boats, trains blah blah blah.
Regardless of our differences I sincerely agree the media has made a meal out of this matter. A true storm in a tea cup.
I also think Samsung had to make the recall BUT the way that recall has been actioned has been without co-ordination world wide causing numerous clients no end of hassle that is still ongoing. Samsung Korea have not come out of this situation looking well at all.
For a communications division that sells communication devices they need to learn to.......well, communicate!
Those trying to pre order the Gear S3 like myself are having one hell of a trial. No one seems to know the date when the Gear is going to be finally available nor if it will be bluetooth or 4G? Another total ****-up.
Ryland :highfive:
2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell including the one dude charging his phone in his hot vehicle and leaving it there... NO WONDER IT EXPLODED any lithium ion would!
Honestly I think that samsung broke some rule that held back battery tech. They don't want a phone on the market you don't have to bump charge or a whole segment of the technology market would be dead. No need to bump charge? no cables or portable chargers needed any more!
This whole thing disgusts me. I have bought a dozen phones over a dozen years and finally figured I was done with it.... now im not... PURE BS!
What more I can't even believe all the sheep who turned theirs in for another lesser phone for the same price which means another 1+ year of installments. The phone companies are going to be really surprised once these people figure out that they can't get the note7 replacement (s8plus) when its released in a few months and they will come with pitchforks and torches!!!!
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
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2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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You're missing the point. Some burn.... It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen.
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300,000 is a vast sample for statistical analysis. I'm not missing the point I'm pointing out an undeniable anomaly.
Yet you all choose to ignore cases that have been reported after the recall. I don't quite get that but OK...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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Thank you.
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LOL hahaha what I meant was you don't need to defend your choice. Just my opinion of course .
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It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell................
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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Can you elaborate on that please. Thanks.
Ryland
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Galaxy S7Image credit: Amarjit Mann
Samsung’s problems with exploding smartphones are showing no signs of abating despite the recall of the Galaxy Note 7 handset.
A man from Canada is currently recuperating from injuries after claiming his Galaxy S7 phone exploded in his hands last weekend.
Amarjit Mann, 34, was hospitalised after suffering second and third degree burns on his hands. He told reporters he was driving when he felt a ‘warmness’ from the handset in his pocket.
Related: Samsung Galaxy S7 review - Still the Android phone to beat?
He told the Winnipeg Sun (via Gizmodo): “I took it out and had it in my hands and it exploded right away.
“When you see smoke, I was shocked. You cannot expect this thing. It was like a nightmare. Imagine if the phone was (at my ear); my whole face would’ve burnt."
Mann said the device actually stuck to his hand and sparks hit him just below the eye.
He now has his still-functioning eyes on legal action saying he plans to sue for personal injury and lost wages.
“I never had such a bad (burn) in my life. People need to be aware of this. It’s like a bomb you can carry.”
Samsung is yet to comment.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 7
Samsung plans to sell refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets, according to a new report.
After two dramatic recalls, termination of manufacturing, and a plea for customers to turn off all Note 7 handsets forever, it was safe to assume Samsung had killed off its latest flagship for good. But a report from The Investor, the Korea Herald’s business blog, suggests that Samsung isn’t quite done with its most fiery phone.
Reporters at the publication, which is based on Samsung’s South Korean home turf, believe that Samsung may begin selling refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets as soon as 2017. One industry source is quoted as saying: “Samsung has not made a final decision yet, but it will likely sell the refurbished Note 7 units next year.”
According to the report, Samsung will likely target emerging markets like India and Vietnam, where low-end phones are typically popular. The Note 7 is a seriously expensive handset, but it’s likely Samsung will drop the price significantly considering the phone’s reputation, and the fact that they’re refurbished models. This would be an excellent chance for Samsung to rid itself of spare Note 7 stock, and recoup some cash in the process.
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Samsung first recalled the Galaxy Note 7 on September 2 after an internal investigation uncovered a serious battery flaw that was causing some users’ handsets to explode. The phone maker then had to issue a second recall after it emerged that some replaced handsets were also exploding. The Galaxy Note 7 is now no longer available to purchase, with Samsung reportedly focusing all attention on next year’s Galaxy S8.
Samsung is expected to release its next flagship phone in February or March next year, with a Galaxy Note 8 model confirmed to be coming later in 2017.
Unfortunately, Samsung declined to comment on this article.
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Chippy_boy said:
...The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion")...
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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To OP: There many flaws in your oversimplification of numbers and stats, but I'll point out two that nobody has commented on yet.
1. There are not only 2.5 million Note 7 devices. 2.5 million purchases, but not devices. Remember: 2.5 million Note 7's had to be REPLACED, and most Note 7 owners owned TWO Note 7's. Not one.
There are probably closer to 4-5 million Note 7's out there.
SO, it's probably even less likely that an individual Note 7 will burn than you suggest.
2. The media won't be reporting any more burns because it's old news at this point. Any new burns and the media would simply say, "so what, we've known for months that the Note 7 is a dangerous device." A story like that now wouldn't increase readership. And that's what it pretty much boils down to when it comes to the media nowadays: will this story increase our readership?
The answer is no for a burned Note 7 that was intentionally not returned after being recalled by the manufacturer for being dangerous.
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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Well said!
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No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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Exactly what you mentioned above
but to CLARIFY there is ZERO overheating Note7's at all in the UK!!!!
Come on people use your mind to guess who is behind it and who wants keep profit on their side!!!
You do not know?
Psst. It is one company with some fruit in logo
My IP will get probably flagged for this comment.
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Rick GM said:
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung they still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Cut to the chase. There is so much wrong with buying into ANYTHING media related.
There, fixed it for you. And for all you 'Coincidence Theorists' out there the media IS a "brainwashing machine", NOT your mother or your father.
Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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Intelligence and Intuition > Intellect
Clearly user error, explained.
No hardware problem found, nothing to blame, yet it still happened. The only viable reason, the consumers. The stupid, not tech savy consumer I should say.
Imagine a person with little to no experiencd with computer building or a siglr forethought on how hardware operates. Pretty typical.
Now create a super phone and give it to them. (Equivilent to giving a movie star a lambo)
The poor phone works so hard with never closed back ground apps, wifi on, ram maxed out, sync on, gps on, demanding games played, screen full brightness, streaming video and charging all at once.
Clearly this couldn't be the issue. Everyones too smart to let this happen. -_-
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
This had also crossed my mind, if one owns Note7 until S8 Note8 is released, will samsung be willing to replace Note7 (a flagship device) for the next best thing equivalent at the time S8 Note8 is launched?
Another question also crossed my mind, regardless if I have everything that came with the phone and I am lawful owner of the phone but have no proof of purchase, will smasung still be willing to replace it for me or thats just a pipe-dream?
To my understanding, samsung cannot refuse to replace Note7 to anything but the best thing available at the time, so when note8 S8 is out etc, they shouldnt be offering S7 as a replacement at the time, what do you think?
Also, another thought (bare with me here) , samsung had 96% of 3million devices sold returned, of which 220000 were taken under very intense testing and investigations to reproduce faults and what not, so look at this now, once all is now done and clear to public, they have over 2.5 million note7 in stock that require a new safe battery replacement issue, reboxing and should sell worldwide or in some limited regions for a discounted price as a safe refurbs (some time soon I guess), they wouldnt just burry all that gold worth pile of Note7's now , would they?
I almost sense a new "Note7S" coming out some time very soon, carrying "S" on the back as being SAFE with probably reworked same capacity safe battery or with some 3000mAh battery and free wireless charging backpack battery pack case that samsung was selling for note7 phones.
Your thoughts?
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I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
xxxMJTxxx said:
Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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I've got all the updates blocked mate. Have a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of ways to do that, depending on what updates your phone has had already.
Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
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It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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Ha Ha I thought so!
I have no root firewall but not sure how to set it up being honest
I had Samsung Billing pushed to me few days ago but for some reason I cannot find it under applications in my mobile so I hope Evil Sam is not hidden there waiting to reactivate.
So really we will see after 31st what is going to happen, I really would hate to go back to Note 3 I still have, however it was also good mobile for few years back ago.
How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
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How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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the same update is world wide, altering it for different countries is a minor point as the majority of the changes comes in the form of the bands and network support, if they are removing all network support all they need is something that works on the exynos hardware, also the UK phones are the international phones so they are actually used across a load of countries so it is probably a large portion of the world covered by the same update as the UK.
also as I said there is little need for the networks to do their modifications since they all come in the form of network support that has been removed in this update.
No matter what it's going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as walking into your carrier's store and swapping out for s8 - even though I do remember someone over at Samsung saying there was going to be a discount on "the next big thing". I'm in San Jose so Im going to HQ with mine, f em.
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I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones?
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They're probably paranoid about being sued on the off chance someone else's phone blows up. It would be bad press if it happens again, probably followed by ignorant people saying that Samsung should have tried harder to stop it, etc etc, because some people have probably missed the whole thing till now and haven't noticed anything. Plus, Samsung wants to be able to say 100% recalled and returned.
FYI I don't own this device, just trying to answer this question. Maybe all of you who have it should put "Proud owner of the Note 7. Take that Samsung" or something in your sigs lol. It would be kinda funny to see.
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in my country, Mexico, there have not been, any sort of batt capping updates, or any threatening messages about anything! as no burning reports here, the consumer bureau has not issued any order or authorization on the matter, here would be unlawful to capp or restrict the use of a legally owned device, so, all very cool over here
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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All doesnt matter and all goes against the law, just risk of hazard makes them liable indefinitely until its back at their possession and no harm caused during the time.
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees, again, its not for faint hearted, I was talking from a legal stand point.
Darkness and high-cliff edge walking heights are usually appearing dangerous things for most, until they're certain and know there is nothing dangerous/hazardous in the dark and walking the cliff edge not without protections and precautions, metaphorically speaking.
Take a case where mobile phone gets on fire and one or many people suffers fatal consequences, days, months or even years from now, and investigators dig up samsung note7, who they gonna blame? Who has the case against who? Looking from even early state all cards are against samsung where there disaster happens or not samsung should be waist deep to do whatever necessary to sort their clients out. And yes they can try to attempt "write their own laws" warning consumers, threatening with return closing deadlines, refusing to take back dangerous devices back in, blocking devices, etc its their cards their game against everyone, not that they are more than the majority, I call it one against all and no matter how much money they are worth, it can take just few big cases and they will soon realize what wrong turn things can take, not that they would be willing to take such risks when and if case is brought to the round table.
Heck, even a 3 year ago my 10+ year Honda got a safety recall letter warning about potentially defective airbag systems and all was replaced at surprisingly my convenience cost free, even the car was bought second hand and I am probably 3rd or 4th owner of that vehicle, auto manufacturers know about how this game be played out i suppose, has been in this game before or seen it happen, consequences are clear to them if potential event take place, they would not only put someone deep in dirt, they would be there themselves as a consequence, so they took no risks, and I was pleasantly surprised at the same too how much forthcoming they were to sort this out, and note - this is 10+ year old product, not much different case to the one were talking about here, and I believe if they went this far with thing such as this, how much further they would have taken things if they would have found out that these vehicle models would have been a hazardous risk of fire and explosion while driving, parked at house garage etc? Go beat this statement
BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
Chippy_boy said:
I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I've unrooted Note7 also, dont want to touch any mods yet until its definitely necessary
Mr.Ultimate said:
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
While I'd love to see Samsung getting screwed right back, I can't imagine there won't be a final return date of some sort and them actually exchanging the phone for the new models. They just sound too cheap for that
BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Im not going to talk much, but that's not even serious case and analogy is just wrong. Compare this - buying matchbox to light the fire place at home but these matchboxes keep exploding and potentially setting itself on fire on random times (case #1) vs. match box that doesnt have 100% of the content or doesnt light up/doesnt burn every time you strike it (case #2).
Yes, its no brainer about law diminishing returns, if you dont have serious case and intelligent sought trough evidence, plan put together that will be serving to the finish line, and all , dreamland ego and being naive left behind - there is no chance to expect something good coming out of it.
We're talking about life threatening hazardous product here.
Have a great day.
BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Barry, my plan is to take my Note7 back to Samsung when I am ready (and not before) and ask for my money back, which I am very sure they will agree to, since they are obviously so very keen to get it back.
If in the monumentally unlikely event they say, "no, we'd like you to keep it please" (you're not REALLY suggesting that are you???!?) then I can file a small claim online in 20 minutes. It's a total no-brainer.
Sorry to disappoint you.