It's been a few years since I've had an Android phone. All my past phones I've rooted, for various reasons. Most of them involved custom kernels, themes, and Cyanogenmod. What are some of the best reasons to root, and best reasons to stay stock?
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
Thoughts?
The main reason I root my device is for Adaway so I can block ads with the HOSTS file at a global level (no ads in apps, yay!). Heck, I already have the bootloader unlocked, don't care if it breaks Android Pay (don't use it anyways other then to store my rewards cards information) and waiting for cf to work his magic on getting root working on this sexy device.
Down side of rooting is that you don't get the updates that gets pushed out unless you do it yourself (that and no Android Pay if that's something you use like I said above).
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
I root for many reasons. Prominent among them is the ability to change the colors of the UI. White backgrounds are hard on my eyes and so over the years I have used CMTE, Layers, TBO, and now Substratum to change to darker backgrounds. Some apps have a dark mode you can use without root, but many do not. Root opens up a whole new dimension of customizations not only in appearance but also in performance.
scsa20 said:
In terms of keeping the Verizon version or getting the Google Play version, if it was me, I'd get the Google Play version (which is what I did, second time I've gotten a phone outside of Verizon so they can't control my device). Although I'm sure after enough time someone could probably crack the bootloader but you never know.
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tmettler5 said:
If I root, I'll need to return my phone to Verizon and order one from Google, or wait and hope someone unlocks the bootloader. Either way I'm returning it for the 128GB version.
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I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tinkering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
herandy said:
With all due respect, buying a google phone without rooting and tikering with it is like going to michelin starred restaurant to pay $100 for a glass of water. Oh, and my reasons are the freedom of customizability and custom kernels, custom kernels can make your phone twice as fast with even better battery life if done right.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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That was true with Nexus phones. The Pixel is being marketed as something else entirely. I think we'll be hard pressed to see any real gains from devs here. Google is putting a lot of work into these phones. I trust the minds at Google this time moreso than the devs on here.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
ringochan said:
I must be missing something. Why do smart people like you guys still buy Google phones (Nexus, Pixel) from Verizon?
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Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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I'm not impressed with the "minds" at Google.
For me to pay that kind of price, I need, at least 5.75" screen, front stereo speakers, higher degree of water proofing. Also, to echo a famous quote : "White UIs must die!" And those bezels! Ugh!
Google assistant is nearly useless to those of us who prefer not to publicly audibilize our searches. So all I would gain would be a snappier OS and a first rate camera. Too many cons outweigh the pros. I wish Google and the sort of folks that they appear to be targeting all the best. I also hope there is much Dev activity for it.
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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I do hope they tweak it later to allow typing to the assistant like Allo but I guess then it's not a whole lot different than typing in the search bar anyways.
Nitemare3219 said:
-I do wish the screen size was larger considering it has on-screen buttons, and that massive chin... no reason it couldn't have been 5.7" again.
-Stereo speakers would have been nice too. No idea why they couldn't copy the iPhone and HTC 10 considering the speakers are in the same position. Maybe a dev will actually make this happen if the earpiece is capable.
-I actually love the UI.
-Everyone hates the bezel. I think they did it to keep a larger battery in the phone, and to probably make it look like an iPhone to the masses.
-Google Assistant is great. I never really used voice commands much, but I have been forcing myself to use them more. They are incredibly quick, efficient, and convenient. No reason to not use them even in public dude. Who gives a damn what people think about your searches. You're never going to see the same people in public anyway.
The snappy OS and first rate camera are things that Android has absolutely needed in a phone. The Pixels bring the best of ALL the basics. And no phone has really done that with Android before. OEMs get too caught up in adding gimmicks and "features" and end up slowing down the phone, hampering basic usability (i.e. what we use our phones for 90+% of the time).
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Good points. I'm glad you trust the uncaring public. I, however, don't. I guess I am just slightly paranoid that way. Also there are many situations where it might disturb other folks to have me gabbing on my phone. Sure, assistant is neat but just not worth it to me. Still, I find myself checking on the availability of the 128gb model as if I am irresistibly drawn to it. My heart wants it but my head is saying no.
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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Probably because of the discounted 2 year or monthly payment option. Some smart people still have smaller budgets or wives who wouldn't understand laying out $800 - $1000 to replace a phone just because you want to root. Those people hope someone will figure out a way to unlock and root. I've got the money but my wife would go ballistic
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You are actually confusing me more. I checked both Verizon and Google Store's pricings and financing options and saw they are pretty much the same.
Verizon -- $0 Down (for qualified customers) $36.24/mo for 24 months; 0% APR Retail Price: $869.99 -- sim locked maybe?, and locked bootloader.
Google Store -- $869.00 or $36.21 / Month x 24 times, thru Google Store Financing -- sim free, and unlockable bootloader.
scsa20 said:
I didn't got it through Verizon. I said I got it through the Google Store (thus the outside of Verizon part). Screw getting phones through Verizon. Hate that they forced locked down bootloader's.
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Exactly!:laugh:
tmettler5 said:
Ease of access, availability, no need for an application for financing, the expectation that someone will crack the bootloader, buying in a no tax state.
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nikitis said:
There's every reason to root, and only one reason to not root.
Reasons to root:
Kernel modifications to increase battery life. (Sure the Pixel can go 2 days easily on one charge, but why not make it 3?).
Filesystem access. The heart of any computer should at the very least give you filesystem access. It boggles the mind why phones won't give this option when this is a computer that you carry with you every day. Maybe you want to write your own apps, hide personal files somewhere outside of the visible directories like Downloads.
Breaking down barriers carriers put forth to limit you in a walled garden. Whatever it may be. Video codecs for example. Open source media servers that aren't approved on the app stores, I can go on and on.
Only reason to not root:
Android Pay. I absolutely love this ability. I personally think that you SHOULD be able to use this option while rooted. Using SU app, and encryption of your card should be enough to protect your card information. (Don't say it can't because it can.) Rooted apps cannot work unless you give them access via the SU app as added security, and even if they manage to grab your encrypted card information because you allowed some program you've never heard of root access and it steals your encrypted account information, it would take them 1 million years to brute force decrypt it if using a high enough encryption scheme on it. You can just change your virtual account on a whim, and do so ever 6 months, cancelling your old account in case it was ever grabbed making the old one null and void for the hacker if he does eventually get lucky and break it. Your account will never get owned if these practices were followed.
Blatently not allowing you choice to use something like android pay is big brother coddling you like a baby. I'm a grown ass man, and know how to secure my ****. If you don't know how to, then you shouldn't be doing it as your the reason Google puts these sort of restrictions on phones like mine.
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More reasons to root:
o backup and restore apk and data anytime.
o nandroid backup for ability to test things.
o custom roms for obvious reasons.
o exposed anyone?
o ability to upgrade to new os versions even after phone makers stopped supporting the devices.
o to satisfy the addictive urge to flash every week!
The SafetyNet is a great threat for most of us here. Some apps, including Android Pay, won't run anymore. If more apps start utilizing the system, we won't be able to enjoy our phones and everyone will be migrating to the Appleland:crying:
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I stumbled across this website with instructions for installing a custom ROM on the Fire Phone. Can anyone confirm this? I'm only know enough to follow instructions.
I'm too new to post a link. Just Google:
custom ROM fire phone
You're looking for the nsme rom-lollipop.
It may be a scam. It asks you to complete offers to download the files. But, people in the article comments say it worked.
It's just ads / survey scam behind shortened links, as you said. The people in the comment section aren't "real", also just fake accounts used to make it look more legit.
Just remember the site layout and graphics, because the people behind this have dozens of domains registered, that lead to sites that look just like the one you found.
that's too bad. i just find it hard to believe we have a root method and no custom recovery/bootstrap. I remember when palm went under and had firesales on their phones and tablets. dev's crack it open and loaded android on them. this is a decent spec device and with all the cameras you'd think someone would eventually get some project tango features integrated.
PIYIRIO said:
i just find it hard to believe we have a root method and no custom recovery/bootstrap
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Look at it from Amazons perspective: they want their devices to be (almost) closed plattforms. Providing a method of unlocking the bootloader for all their devices is not in their interest. (I'm not going to start discussing the HDX bootloader case ^^)
Yes, the device is decent, but there are so many alternatives. So as of now I highly doubt that anyone will be looking for an exploit or any possibility to unlock the bootloader.
i'm not worried about the locked bootloader. it doesn't have to be unlocked for custom roms, plenty of devices with locked bootloaders have custom roms. we have root so we should be able to have a bootstrap method. we're just lacking in dev support. i can't blame them at all, i'm just saying for about $100 device (if your already renewing prime) this is a pretty high spec device and has hella potential. wishing it had the support of the old palm's.
I'm also confused - Fire Phone is brutal device for current price. I was expecting much broader adoption after drastic price drop.
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you will see a drastic increase in adoption if the bootloader has been unlocked
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you will see a drastic increase in adoption if the bootloader has been unlocked
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of course. but if no one adopts it, no one cracks the bootloader: its a catch-22. but again, everyone worries about the bootloader but that's not everything. with proper root we can have a bootstrap and custom roms which would be a million percent improvement... for example: every verizon galaxy since the s4...
this is my first fire device and thought "for the price, what the hell". turns out i absolutely hate fireos, haven't used the device at all until the latest update with root, google play, and a proper launcher.
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of course. but if no one adopts it, no one cracks the bootloader: its a catch-22. but again, everyone worries about the bootloader but that's not everything. with proper root we can have a bootstrap and custom roms which would be a million percent improvement... for example: every verizon galaxy since the s4...
this is my first fire device and thought "for the price, what the hell". turns out i absolutely hate fireos, haven't used the device at all until the latest update with root, google play, and a proper launcher.
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i got it for 10 euros with a year of amazon prime, so it was a no brainer.
you stole it. i paid about 10 times that after the year of prime.
PIYIRIO said:
you stole it. i paid about 10 times that after the year of prime.
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huge pricing error in germany. many people got it for that price.
10 euros is an amazing deal. Really the price tag on this phone is amazing even at the non German price. So much so that I hope I get a chance to buy another one before they liquidate completely. Did some benchmarks and got performance better than the Galaxy s5 (as listed using vellamo) except for the single core test.
Anyway it seems to me that developers would adopt the phone, but it was also such a great flop that it might just continue to be neglected. I'm okay with that, but I would really like to see some development to replace some of the less functional bits of the fire os
It's too hard to get a custom ROM for Amazon fire phone.
1. The bootloader has been locked and no way to unlock.
2. We haven't found an available recovery for it.
3. We don't have the drivers of the phone.
4. Some software by amazon are used for the adaptation of the device, but we cannot make sure we can still use them in the new ROM. Such as the fix of the position of touch.
I agree, that's a bummer to not have dev support. No one wants to spend time developing for Fire OS and limit themselves to a small market niche when they can develop native Android apps and target 60%+ of the smartphone world. I bet so many cool things can be done with 5 front facing cameras, given development hours and diverse creativity input. Such a waste :/
stascom said:
I agree, that's a bummer to not have dev support. No one wants to spend time developing for Fire OS and limit themselves to a small market niche when they can develop native Android apps and target 60%+ of the smartphone world. I bet so many cool things can be done with 5 front facing cameras, given development hours and diverse creativity input. Such a waste :/
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I don't think "5 front facing cameras" is a good design.
Actually I disabled it immediately when I got my phone to save power.
It doesn't make sense.
5 front facing cameras
I am wondering if the camera system will ever be able to scan objects for 3D information, and send data to some 3D printer setup. Might be fun.
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I don't think "5 front facing cameras" is a good design.
Actually I disabled it immediately when I got my phone to save power.
It doesn't make sense.
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It seems the 4 cameras in the corners are "ultra-low-powered specialized cameras", so I guess they work just for the sake of the gimmicky Dynamic Perspective.
If it's like that, what a waste of cameras.
The 4 cameras and pseudo-3D was a gimmick, in hindsight it would've been better for amazon to do its own gearVR-like accessory instead given that eye-tracking doesn't come anywhere close to the quality of VR
Besides the VR market its nowhere near the saturation of mobile so amazon could've gotten its foot on the door rather than competing with android in that respect
As for the bootloader situation has anyone considered posting a reward to get more devs to try to unlock it?
There is (or was): http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-phone/help/bootloader-unlock-development-t3022030
And there was a change.org petition for Amazon to unlock the bootloader (I doubt they care): http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-phone/general/petition-posted-to-change-org-to-unlock-t3009342
I love Smartphones, i do since i had for the very first time a HP IPAQ in my hands. It was back in 2004 and i had to buy a GSM Module to be able to use it as a phone too because by default it was a handheld.
After i sold it, i bought myself a HTC Charmer, and so it started, i became member of this wonderful community and always got help with any question i had. I also found customized ROMs and used them, specially after i bought my first Android device, a Samsung Galaxy P1000 Tab. From this moment on i was kind of addicted to Samsung devices, as yu can see in my Smartphone history i had some non-Samsung phones but soon came back to it. I also have a Samsung TV, Laptop, Toaster, Fridge, Dishwasher, Microwave. The last great device was the Galaxy ALPHA, it was the best device i had, so fast and not plastic anymore, aluminium made.
After it broke i got myself a Galaxy S6 Edge. Unfortunally i had the batch where the GPS does not work but because i rooted it before i noticed, i lost warranty. This really annoyed me because i paid 740 Euro for this device and though i need GPS, the phone was useless for me. I was about to buy me an Iphone but when i went into the shop i came out with a Samsung S6 Edge +...
but this time FRP is installed and for rooting it, i had to remove the Google Account. After rooting it i have to remove the google Account every time before i boot into Recovery because otherwise i will find myself in a bootloop which can only be fixed flashing a stock ROM via Odin, hoping to not get out of battery because FRP does not only block custom binaries, it also blocks charging the battery so if you run out of battery with FRP active and in the recovery-bootloop, you have to bring your device to a technician.
For this reason this was absolutely my last Samsung/Google Device. I know that other ANdroid devices also use FRP so my next one will be again an IPHONE. If the Microsoft devices would look better i would buy me a Nokia/MS because Windows Mobile 8 is pretty fast but they are too ugly.
SO here ends my Smartphone history, Iphone is not supported in this forum unfortunately, and i will miss it but i share the opinion, if i buy myself a device for over 800 bucks, nobody has the right to install me any kind of software which bricks my phone under circumstances. Specially without asking...
Hang on. Let me get this straight. You are complaining because Samsung/Google is preventing you from doing something (which creates a security risk) that you shouldn't be doing in the first place?
Are you going to blame Apple next because you can't jailbreak your iPhone?
They have every right to do that. They don't have to ask. You purchased that phone with the software on it. There is nothing shady about it. It's all about security.
The software doesn't brick the phone during NORMAL USE. If you root and mess with it, then that's on you, not Samsung or Google.
One thing is for sure, it's becoming harder to root and modify phones nowadays to the point where you you potentially have a bricked expensive phone and no way out of it, im not suggesting that the phone comes pre rooted, however by making it more and more difficult they are only going to antagonize people further , even since i first got a HTC HD2 ive been into hacking and modding phones, most of you probably weren't around back in those days on here but for those who were you will remember the amazing work gone in and it was relatively easy to root a phone, in stark contrast to today, why do they have to make it so bloody hard, i really want to root my S6 Edge plus the ads are annoying and nothing works except when you are rooted but no way am i risking it because of this FRP nonsense.
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Hang on. Let me get this straight. You are complaining because Samsung/Google is preventing you from doing something (which creates a security risk) that you shouldn't be doing in the first place?
Are you going to blame Apple next because you can't jailbreak your iPhone?
They have every right to do that. They don't have to ask. You purchased that phone with the software on it. There is nothing shady about it. It's all about security.
The software doesn't brick the phone during NORMAL USE. If you root and mess with it, then that's on you, not Samsung or Google.
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This is a bull**** response.
Yes, they do have a right to do it... unfortunately.
That has absolutely nothing to do with his right to complain about how the phone companies are getting worse at locking us out, sticking us with bloat, making it hard to set up what we've purchased the way we want to... building in bricking systems is just a scummy move.
Don't worry though, I'm sure with enough people like you even our cars in the future will brick when we use the wrong manufacturer's tires.
i have just now discovered that my S6 Edge plus doesnt in fact have FRP, well after booting into download mode it says FRP off, it sayd "knox void" i did try and root trying the method on here but it didnt work or did it partially work, it;s been a few years since i last had a Samsung, OPO before this and HTC before that and both are different when it comes to rooting.
If it's a case i can root without having to worry about this FRP nonsense them ill be delighted with that.
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This is a bull**** response.
Yes, they do have a right to do it... unfortunately.
That has absolutely nothing to do with his right to complain about how the phone companies are getting worse at locking us out, sticking us with bloat, making it hard to set up what we've purchased the way we want to... building in bricking systems is just a scummy move.
Don't worry though, I'm sure with enough people like you even our cars in the future will brick when we use the wrong manufacturer's tires.
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Lol that's a bull**** comparison. Putting different tires on a car in no way compares to MODIFYING YOUR DEVICE IN A WAY IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE.
Yes, I agree with you on the bloatware though.
You also have to remember that only a small percentage of people modify their phones or even know what rooting is, so neither Samsung or Google have any issues installing security measures for the maybe 10% that screw with their phones.
children please stop this arguing
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Lol that's a bull**** comparison. Putting different tires on a car in no way compares to MODIFYING YOUR DEVICE IN A WAY IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE.
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It's not a great comparison, but I think it serves the purpose... unlocking/rooting is not modifying the device, its modifying the software (tires) running on the device (engine), which is arbitrarily restricted "because they can."
Look at everything you own, and look at how cell phones are different: even if you own them, you can't do what you want to them not because it's impossible, not because it would break it... but because the manufacturers' won't let you, and do a lot to actively punish you for trying to do so.
For some reason people don't like to realize that cell phones are computers with the ability to connect to phone networks. How many computers are locked down in a similar fashion to cell phones?
Stop sticking up for the phone manufacturers.
jackfrost7 said:
It's not a great comparison, but I think it serves the purpose... unlocking/rooting is not modifying the device, its modifying the software (tires) running on the device (engine), which is arbitrarily restricted "because they can."
Look at everything you own, and look at how cell phones are different: even if you own them, you can't do what you want to them not because it's impossible, not because it would break it... but because the manufacturers' won't let you, and do a lot to actively punish you for trying to do so.
For some reason people don't like to realize that cell phones are computers with the ability to connect to phone networks. How many computers are locked down in a similar fashion to cell phones?
Stop sticking up for the phone manufacturers.
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It's funny the car comparison actually. I work in the car business. Your can also modify the software in your vehicle. They are also powered by computers. Guess what? It voids the warranty on the engine, JUST LIKE A PHONE. Nobody is stopping anyone from modifying software in their phones, but don't expect the manufactures to make it easy, or honor the warranty.
It's not like swapping tires. Swapping tires is like putting a different case on your phone, which you are free to do. It's like putting jet fuel into your gas tank because "I own the car, I should be able to do what I want", and then complaining when the engine blows up....
I'm not defending anyone, i'm being realistic.
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Nobody is stopping anyone from modifying software in their phones, but don't expect the manufactures to make it easy, or honor the warranty.
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No, they ARE stopping you, the only way we can do it is by working around their attempts to stop us.
GibMcFragger said:
It's not like swapping tires. Swapping tires is like putting a different case on your phone, which you are free to do. It's like putting jet fuel into your gas tank because "I own the car, I should be able to do what I want", and then complaining when the engine blows up....
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No, because tires are required to use the vehicle, a case isn't required to use a phone. And putting jet fuel into your gas tank would damage the vehicle, unlike changing the software your phone runs.
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I'm not defending anyone, i'm being realistic.
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Okay, sure...
jonny68 said:
One thing is for sure, it's becoming harder to root and modify phones nowadays to the point where you you potentially have a bricked expensive phone and no way out of it, im not suggesting that the phone comes pre rooted, however by making it more and more difficult they are only going to antagonize people further , even since i first got a HTC HD2 ive been into hacking and modding phones, most of you probably weren't around back in those days on here but for those who were you will remember the amazing work gone in and it was relatively easy to root a phone, in stark contrast to today, why do they have to make it so bloody hard, i really want to root my S6 Edge plus the ads are annoying and nothing works except when you are rooted but no way am i risking it because of this FRP nonsense.
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
It's a Google phone, there is no fight rooting or roming or moding it. It's wide open. Hit the unlock slider, fastboot flash unlock. Done.
Verizon version is a bit different. So far no problem as long as you unlock it before it updates. That may change, but so far so good.
That's what I was hoping to hear.
ElementalWindX said:
Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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It is the carrier that locks phones. Like Verizon. Both Samsung and Google leave their phones open by default.
Of course, you may lose some functionality on rooting. Like security features and pay systems.
Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Yea I don't care about pay systems, or the built in security. None of the card readers at the stores around here even do NFC devices. I always have my cards on me too. My biggest concern is being able to record phone calls automatically. I seriously hate how Verizon locks them down. Right now I have an S6 G920V on version QA3 I'm trying to figure out how to root and have no idea how to at this moment.
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Samsung Pay works with old magnetic card readers where you swipe your card, because they bought the company which developed a special magnetic sensing/beaming chip called MST.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00043865/
So it basically works everywhere except where you need to insert the card inside the machine like gas stations or ATMs. And it gives you points to redeem goodies from Samsung, like gift cards or their hardware.
I was really enjoying Samsung Pay when I had S6 Edge and Note 7. I didn't have to carry a wallet - just a case with a driver's license and a hundred dollar bill. I really miss it.
Now, Verizon is awful in Midwest, where I live. It's the most overpriced carrier with zero benefits to back up their high prices. I switched from Note 7 on US Cellular prepaid, where I was paying $37 per month, to Pixel XL on Project FI, where I'm now paying $25 per month. Aside from a few simple quirks, I think FI is perfect for a low data user such as myself. Stay away from Verizon.
As far as rooting Verizon devices... I think you may be SOL. It varies depending on the device/software version, but usually they are locked pretty tight.
The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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The Pixel is a much better choice simply based on the development efforts and the quicker updates from Google, which helps developers get their custom firmwares out much faster with the newest features.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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7.1.1 Broke Bluetooth functionality. It seems like every single update in the beginning of an update cycle only introduces more bugs. It is a common theme and trend in modern technology. Another trend in technology, most bugs get fixed after about a year. But this phone become obsolete after 6 months.
We, the consumers, cannot win - technology companies release buggy products because they can, and they love quick and flashy profits, Quality Assurance seems to be taking a back seat to corporate profits. Because we, the consumers, seem to buy anything to please us in these times.
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Bluetooth is working fine on my phone. In fact, I'm not experiencing any problems on my phone. I am on the latest build of DU 11.1 based on NOF26V.
And I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that this model will be obsolete in 6 months. It has OS updates guaranteed all the way through Android P...
Regardless of all that, I still think it is vastly better to develop for a phone that is getting constant updates from the manufacturer (Google) rather than one that is typically behind (Samsung).
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Is the pixel better in terms of not fighting the manufacturer to root the phone and rom it? Does it allow the built in call recording (like editing the xml file on a rooted galaxy?)
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
JAYNO20 said:
Uh, are you serious? Go look at the s7 forums and then talk, until then let the men talk.
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally blessed?
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Are you literally a troll?
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Are you literally a troll?
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I really give up now. People can be what they choose to be!
Freedom!
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JAYNO20 said:
Infinitely better. I loved my S7 while I had it, but the root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it. It's a shame because I loved the phone and would NOT have switched if it weren't for those issues listed. Needless to say, I NEED root on my phone and I wasn't willing to give up any of those things to get it. The root method for this phone is far better and gives me the freedom I want with MY phone. The constant on time updates, and general smoothness of the phone help as well
With that being said, I would not be against giving Samsung another try. I love their phones, but I don't care for their locked bootloaders. If the S8 comes with a developer edition or root is easily achieved I'd have no issues going back. I'd also have no issue staying with future Pixel phones. :good:
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This post makes no sense. How can "root method" cause the following quote - "root method was so terrible and caused lag, heat, and poor battery life regardless of any "fix" for it."
Is the user literally regarded as genius?
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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Just so you guys understand why the root method for the S7 caused those issues...
In order to root the S7, you needed to flash a developer kernel. This is allowed even with the locked bootloader of the S7 since it is signed and accepted by the bootloader.
As we all know, a kernel can cause a lot of issues with the phone, and that is exactly what happened with the S7. That kernel was not tweaked properly and especially not for real-world usage. But it did allow us to root the phone, so it was a sacrifice (in my opinion).
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I understood that just fine. It was all the issues caused by root that made me jump ship to the Pixel. As for the other guy (who obviously didn't understand the problems that root caused) I can't say for sure what his issue was. Just trying to help the OP with his decision through my experience with both devices.
I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I agree with what most people here are saying, I used to have a Galaxy S7 Edge, I loved everything about it, except for the locked bootloader. As previously mentioned it could be rooted, but there just weren't many roms out there and there was also a slight lag and poor battery life that occured after flashing the engineer boot. I just missed being able to customize it as much as I could all my old HTC devices. I switched the the Pixel XL 3 weeks ago rooted it day 1 and haven't missed the S7 Edge once
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I came from an S7 Edge as well. It was an excellent phone if you didn't require root access. But I like to customize. I had it for 7 months the went to the Pixel XL.
I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
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I've been been on android since the g1 days, got every new android phone that everyone said was great. I had the first galaxy phone, the original nexus 1, the nexus 5, the htc one, the oneplus 3t, even note phones. Today I decided to leave this inferior product behind. How delusional have I been saying android is better all this time. Here's the thing, iPhone works. I can no longer connect to WiFi networks anymore because of some security update. I am still pissed I paid for a camera I can't use. I'm tired of missing calls because this phone decides to put itself on do not disturb. The final straw that broke the camels back is location settings and privacy. Apple decided to let people protect their privacy, google is actively trying to stop people from protecting their privacy. Take for example find my phone which is useless now unless you have location turned on at all times. WHY......? I am able to turn on location remotely on Samsung phones but here is google blocking your from doing it. If you loose your phone your freaked unless you let google know exactly where you are 24 hours a day. Forget GOOGLE, Forget ANDROID, Forget ONEPLUS!
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Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.
I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.
Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Well, Seconding this post. I agree, in my latent opinion it is clear that both platforms have pros and cons respectively.
The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Probably no jailebreak for newer ios
MariusKv said:
nie ma jailebreak dla nowszych ios
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Ios 14.5, 14.6
da4vidpl said:
search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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Please elaborate.
You're wrong, you couldn't be more wrong, but again please try to elaborate.
Understand this, iOS is closed source, Android is not..
Source is released.
Plus if you jailbreak you aren't hiding it, lots of apps will fail, more so than Android
And you can do more? Lol. Talk to me
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Um wtf, what the heck is wrong lool.
Technically if I hacked your google account, I know is where you are.
So that might be good.
Otherwise of location, you can disable every app instead of the system applications related to find my phone.
I use an iPhone and I can say I support the only use location while using the app and such features.
But apple fracks up in regards to downloading stuff and is more restrictive than android.
Plus my iPhone apps are all 110 mb lmao, my mobile data will finish soon if I download anything.
NOT TO MENTION THE 1GB CACHE in a single APP THAT TAKES UP MY PHONE STORAGE IN AN APP, for 0 reasons idk why there's that much cache.
THANK GOD I BOUGHT THE 128GB VARIANT.
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Well that's what 2 factor authentication is for. I have had that active for years. Whats the point of disabling access to other applications when applications can just keep tabs on other applications. How about battery life? This has irked me ever since android removed the option to turn off GPS and leave location on. They obviously did it for a reason, to get more accurate information about you. BTW it has been reported that google actively tries to bury and confuse users about its location settings. I'm not worried about my data, plan I don't pay it, but if I did what good does it do me since I can't connect to any enterprise wifi. I spend half of my day at work unable to connect to WiFi an relying solely on data.
blackhawk said:
I've used iPhones. I never liked them even though they "work".
Huh.
So does my 10+ and it's drop dead gorgeous. Looking exactly like I want it too.
A steeper learning curve but with many more options. I would have paid $400 more for 512gb of iPhone memory and not had the additional 1tb expansion capacity. All my PCs are dual drive or higher with 1GB of storage or more.
My favorite one fits in my hand...
Note: iPhone maps work so much better than Gmaps, other than that... I'm not impressed.
Lol, Gmaps suck, always have.
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I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.
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Just because you can't configure your Android in a way you're happy with doesn't mean the alternative is better in every way. Particularly, I don't like your attitude about the location tracking, like Apple is actually better, well I'm here to tell you they're not. Have you heard of Wi-Fi scanning? It allows Wi-Fi networks to track your location more accurately than GPS quite often because of Wi-Fi triangulation. And you can't turn that off on iPhone, even when you turn Wi-Fi off, your phone is triangulating Wi-Fi letting Apple always know your location, and on addition, Google because most of those routers report WiFi info to Google.
If you want a privacy respecting location tracking tool, like the Find My apps, you shouldn't be relying on your OEM anyways, whether it be Google or Apple or Samsung.
As someone who's used both platforms, I wouldn't blame you if you use an iPhone and like the usability more, but your rage induced reasoning here doesn't seem all that informed or thought out.
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Lets assume I'm not a noob......... Let's assume I can actually configure phones to my liking like I have been doing so since the very first android came out. Lets assume I have been here for the whole ride since cyanogenmod. Configuration is not the issue. I would not care if it was just google tracking me. I can disable location history but that's not the issue here. Your making this issue about one thing. Read my post its an aggregate of things. Again this is basic functionality. Sony got sued for removing the ability to load linux to its system, here is oneplus completely dissabling and rendering useless something they charged money for.
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search for jailbreak ios. jailbreaking gives you more options than root on android
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It's a joke isn't it ?
Each Jailbreak depend a hack / breach, so each time you must wait for a jalbreak for a new iOS version or iOS fixed version (Apple block each time Jailbreak on new version). Above all even with Jailbreak there a lot of things not availbable on iOS, and the first reason is now all iOS users don't care Jailbreak... They want the lastest iOS version without headache.
For Android, Root is for a lot of OEM granted/allowed (OnePlus, Xiaomi, OPPO, Vivo, etc...) and don't void warranty, only Desimlock tools / Changing IMEI void warranty.
This OEM share their model kernel source and root can be granted by simply patching boot and/or using a custom recovery like TWRP.
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The iPhone settings are a mess... they give me a headache. Way too dumbed down.
Plus I doubt there's a package disabler that works on a stock iPhone
Just stuck with what and how they give it to you.
No.
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Well were often stuck with what android gives us. Like updates, my sons g6 never got one. You complain that your stuck with what they give you but you are content with the mess android is accross its many vendors. It's been 13 years since android came out and every year a new plan to make updating easier. Remember project treble? All failed promises.
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I gave up on Samsung too, I hate their update lottery. My favorite computer is also my phone that's why wifi is important to me. I used to print documents straight from my phone at work because it is faster. I can't do that anymore. Unless I downgrade to a more unsecure version of android. Whats the point of security updates if I have to downgrade making my phone more vounarable just to get basic functionality back.
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The security hype is just that. My 10+ Pie does fine in the real world. Same firmware/updates for the last 1.5 years.
Your mistake was updating.
I picked off a trojan preloader and a malware jpeg over a year ago, no damage.
That same malware likely breach the latest updated Pixel just as easily. In the last year zero breaches.
A phone is only as secure as the person who operates it. I don't use wifi and limit bt use in high usage areas because vulnerabilities in this OS... which also have never nailed me. Regardless all my data is redundantly safeguarded and a complete reload takes me about 2 hours with no internet because I have a SD card/data drive*. So even if I get nailed it's not going to eat too much time. I'm readily to reload *now* if need be.
*if that's compromised add another 5-6 hours to the reload time. Still no critital data loss.
dladz said:
Problem you have is you literally cannot do anything with an iPhone.
Least with Android you can root and make changes.
This is no longer an option for you, not only that but if you do get the latest and greatest then you'll be paying the highest possible premium in the world for it.
Sorry but apple just do not tick anywhere close to every box, they can't due to their ecosystem.
Then there's the emulators, root tools, mods, ability to freely copy things to and from your device, I can send an entire folder structure over android beam, my choice, my way.
Sure Google has got a little Adolf Hitler over these last few years, but apple is the bloody antichrist in comparison.
More to that point, you will not be ruling in hell. You'll be more of a slave to apple than you ever were to android.
And as a g1 user, I think you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't understand the benefits of android over apple, yes they're a little cleaner and a little shinier, but the benefits are superficial and skin deep.
If you have an issue, let us know, we'll try to help.
If you are the issue then perhaps being a slave to apple will suit you.
Either way, ranting with no point to make is not the way I would have went.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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Your questions go unanswered? Oh wow so you're a needy, spoilt child? You sound like you've never worked for anything in their life!
Your questions go unanswered????
Get a grip on your life son. The last question I put in the 8 Pro forum went unanswered, why? Cos probably it's a difficult question to answer, or someone didn't want to say what they thought cos they felt ashamed! Or they just didn't have the confidence to say what they feel.
Either way you're dropping a brand, a phone and a company cos you were impatient??
Since the G1 days??
I'm from the G1 days yes I was there on day zero and again with the hero, then the desire HD and the one.
I've never seen a guide from you. Or a tool or a helping hand..
You're a spoilt child, you want it all yesterday, you're willing to give nothing! The Devs on Android have given "years!!!!" Not days or weeks, and now decades, so what? Can moan?? Zero contribution and maximum take!!!
I'm not the matter of coding but I've made it my business to contribute, you've done nothing and took everything, whilst being super ungrateful!!!
You take and you take, it's quite obvious.
Now you're throwing your rattle out your pram..
Please, go chill with apple, we as a community have lost nothing but a leech.
Apple has added a volume to its plethora of bots.
I'm sure you'll be happy.
The completely wrong choice but hey, when you know you know right?
PS:. I'm 99% confident I could have fixed all of your issues either in person or remotely, but you'd have to give me a Charlize Theron massage to get be to help you now, you've made me revert so slightly ill
And I would have, for zero cash, just to help you, just to make sure you're ok!??
Good luck finding these types of guys with apple, lol never!!
Lol.
I'm fine with your thread, it's weak.
I was nice to you and all you could take away was me saying ashamed!
( Your do realise I said that for a reason right?)
Guess not.
Bye bye, enjoy your £1800 2015 phone with less memory than you need and more optimization than you can use.
Any more bad vibes, please message me directly I do not want to annoy XDA mods.
I know you're so wrong, thing is so do you!!
You just have no imagination, and you've either Bennett been able to delve down deep enough to explain an issue or you're lazy!!!
IPhones stand alone with certain tasks, but they're left behind with most things.
Do these things
1. Send me a Bluetooth file
2. Send me a folder from your phone
3. Send me a movie stored on your device
4. Fire up an emulator
5. Use your phone as a pc
6 Overclock your CPU and GPU
7. Turn off your page file, zram, swap file
8. Kill people off the WiFi you're connected to!!
9. Download and keep Adobe lightroom for free!!!! (Lol with apple??? Hahaha nope)
10. Beat my all time SOT legend score.
11. Huawei P20 Pro - 2 days- 17 hours 37 minute's in one charge.
12. Use two SIM's one phone!
13. Install a third party application within 1 minute of opening your phone's box
14. Copy all your unofficial (now lost) music from your phone to a blank external drive.
15. Try to get help on XDA for your phone!
16. Move the clock
17. Make the phone louder
18. Connect to an android watch
19. Share screen on an average Android box
20. Let me mod and use your phone as a microphone which can broadcast everything round it!!
The answer is no, and if it's no today then jailbreak wise it may be no tomorrow.
Where Android make the door wider, apple tries to close it.
Apple people are just horrific, self righteous, loathes who usually would just pay a bill blindly than check and then pay.
Tbh the way you've reacted you pay for the bill.
This is my last message on this thread to you. You're either too short sighted to see my point or too too proud to accept the help you've been offered, you have a OnePlus phone. I could turn that I to a beast!! Truly.
Btw my friend boarded a private jet and his iPhones glass over the camera cracked on the table in front of him.
Apple told him he did it, no warranty.
Bruce Willis in his peak - "if I die can I pay my music and movie collection to my daughter?"
Apple: - "no you cannot!"
Good luck lad.
tommynosedigger said:
I should be ashamed of myself? LMAO I have 0 brand or platform loyalty. Go look at my last posts on roms, questions go unanswered for weeks. Good to know I have to root my phone just to make it functional because that's what we have all been doing all this time. You act like its a feature instead of a coping mechanism. Slave to apple lmao a little dramatic no.......? Lets get something straight I am not a fanboy. The minute I get tired of apple ill drop them too. I am just tired of all this shenanigans I am well aware of all of apples limitations. Theres is plenty I am giving up here I understand that better than anyone but I would like to have basic abilty of having my phone (its primary purpose) ring. I'm not the only one having this issue dont act like I am in a bubble.
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Seems about the same as fidgeting; it wastes time jumping from one platform to another if not needed.
Easiest fix would be to flash back to the firmware that was working for you. When Samsung or Google drop the ball (and they frequently do) don't pick it up, instead use the one you got your hands on.
I will likely will be using Pie for years to come as Android 11 is flat spinning in at a higher sink rate than 10 and accelerating. A10 was the last usable Android OS and it has some real nasty usability issues that Pie doesn't have.
For what? To emulate Apple? Idiots.
That rotten OS put more challenges on Samsung's plate to try to make it usable but Sammy can only do so much with rancid base code.
It actually Samsung you should be addressing... they take criticism really well especially the SK reps
I think most people on this forum can agree that the biggest shortfall of Samsung's devices is the bloatware. Be it the Samsung app, the google apps or even the netflix app, everyone has something they wish wasn't there which is why ADB is so popular.
It would be great if Samsung was to allow a custom app load on startup.
That is precisely what I am suggesting for the Samsung UI beta. I'd like to get some feedback, or at least some "hearts" from the XDA community to show interest on their dedicated suggestion forum.
UI Suggestion
Good afternoon, It is undisputed that Samsung makes great phones with great hardware and physical integrity. That being said, the most prominent complaint against them is the abundance of bloatware. It is so prominent that many will skip the purchase, and others will use a debloating program...
us.community.samsung.com
Thank you,
What's bloatware to some is a useful app to others. A builtin package disabler be nice though.
Much of the Samsung bloatware sits there and uses little or no resources unless used. About 30 out of 80 apps I disable are Samsung. Some are toggled on/off as needed.
Samsung's auto updates are far more troublesome and need to be locked down
Firmware upgrades can and do kill Samsung's especially later ones.
So with some wherewithal it's not a big deal using 3rd party work arounds, settings and a firewall. Otherwise there's always iPhone...
That said the last 3 flagship releases for the Note/S series have been lacking with dropped balls a plenty. Right now Samsung has no new flagships I'll buy even when they become marked down.
blackhawk said:
Right now Samsung has no new flagships I'll buy even when they become marked down.
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There is no good flagship option atm.
The P6? lol
The S22? Bleh
Upcoming P7? A possible repeat of the P6.
Upcoming S23? May be worth the wait?
Apple? As much as it pains me to say it, I do find them more and more appealing when comparing.
Stickmanx89 said:
There is no good flagship option atm.
The P6? lol
The S22? Bleh
Upcoming P7? A possible repeat of the P6.
Upcoming S23? May be worth the wait?
Apple? As much as it pains me to say it, I do find them more and more appealing when comparing.
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Apple? No.
No expandable storage kills Apple without even getting into their firmware/software/DRM issues. However don't expect much out of Samsung with their next new release.
With both Samsung and Google Android I'm banking on it taking them at least 1-3 years to get their sorry acts together. To that end I will continue to use my N10+'s running on Pie and Q. With a projected lifespan of 2-3+ years... means I don't care.
Let the other rats run the maze, I'm chillin
blackhawk said:
Apple? No.
No expandable storage kills Apple
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No sd card sucks on all 3 main manufacturers. It is such a strange thing to have removed.
I was also hoping to ride my old p2 for a while longer until better options come out, but i jumped in a river with it instead
I'll need to select something for the next 3+ years when my backup phone fails (well on its way)
Anyway, i dare to dream on the bloatware front and hope for built-in solutions
Stickmanx89 said:
No sd card sucks on all 3 main manufacturers. It is such a strange thing to have removed.
I was also hoping to ride my old p2 for a while longer until better options come out, but i jumped in a river with it instead
I'll need to select something for the next 3+ years when my backup phone fails (well on its way)
Anyway, i dare to dream on the bloatware front and hope for built-in solutions
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Google been pushing to kill expandable for years. They got the MS cloud control power fantasy going on.
Well I can still recommend a N10+ which is what I would buy today. Bought my last one 10 months ago. New ones are still available and their loaded with Android 10.
yes, bloatware from Google and Samsung