stupid question:
why are there no aosp nougat roms for the htc 10 yet?
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nuumuun said:
stupid question:
why are there no aosp nougat roms for the htc 10 yet?
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AOSP/CM aren'f close to be stable at all, let alone on Nougat.
nuumuun said:
stupid question:
why are there no aosp nougat roms for the htc 10 yet?
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HTC said they would be releasing an update from MM to Nougat in the next couple of months.
can't wait months ... i need my fix now ?
Ariac Konrel said:
AOSP/CM aren'f close to be stable at all, let alone on Nougat.
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i assumed they would be soon after an official release on nexus devices ...
so much for assumptions ?
nuumuun said:
i assumed they would be soon after an official release on nexus devices ...
so much for assumptions
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AOSP on these devices is hand built based on trial and error, knowledge of coding off what lil source is a available, and the blood sweat and tears of other developers with bits and pieces from different hardware across many devices to get it to work, since it's like building custom firmware from the ground up through reverse engineering because everything is proprietary.
HTC is building nougat and testing, and they have all the source code and hardware drivers, firmware, etc, and I've seen some predictions it may come as early as quarter 4 I believe, and then we'll have custom sense roms. But the developers will have to build up AOSP, and they've worked their butts off to get CM with Marshmallow as far along as they have.
CharliesTheMan said:
AOSP on these devices is hand built based on trial and error, knowledge of coding off what lil source is a available, and the blood sweat and tears of other developers with bits and pieces from different hardware across many devices to get it to work, since it's like building custom firmware from the ground up through reverse engineering because everything is proprietary.
HTC is building nougat and testing, and they have all the source code and hardware drivers, firmware, etc, and I've seen some predictions it may come as early as quarter 4 I believe, and then we'll have custom sense roms. But the developers will have to build up AOSP, and they've worked their butts off to get CM with Marshmallow as far along as they have.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that once HTC releases the Nougat update, especially the kernel source, 3rd party ROMs should come easier, or at least ease development. At least, that's what I've observed from my 5 years on XDA.
Last official news about the nougat update from HTC was back in August, stating Q4 for unlocked versions...
as for AOSP/CM, even though CM is still in alpha/MM its came a long way and can be used as a daily driver. So if any dev decides to take on nougat at any level after the HTC release/sources i'd be happy
There's an alleged leak of the Nougat update for the 10 here. Not sure how legit it is though, but if it turns out to be true then the update isn't too far away. On the plus side, it looks like HTC will finally allow us to customize the quick settings tiles.
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There's an alleged leak of the Nougat update for the 10 here. Not sure how legit it is though, but if it turns out to be true then the update isn't too far away. On the plus side, it looks like HTC will finally allow us to customize the quick settings tiles.
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that's actually screenshots of the HTC Bolt, or "HTC 10 Evo" depending on where you live. Translating the screenshots shows 3GB total RAM....
My experience in previous major version updates and HTC elevate participation makes me feel like they're already quite a ways into testing builds, and I have been VERY happy with HTC's rate of development and support life cycle on devices from the M7 forward. I think the nougat release for the HTC 10 is going to be sweet, as a personal side note.
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that's actually screenshots of the HTC Bolt, or "HTC 10 Evo" depending on where you live. Translating the screenshots shows 3GB total RAM....
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Yep you are right, can confirm it. Typing it from that device
But nonetheless nougat on the 10 will look the same and it will be out very soon I think. Shouldn't be that long anymore. Testing stage should be very advanced by now. But we will see if in November or December
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that's actually screenshots of the HTC Bolt, or "HTC 10 Evo" depending on where you live. Translating the screenshots shows 3GB total RAM....
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Ah damn, that's a shame. On the plus side though, if that's a glimpse of how the Nougat update will look like then I'm excited all the same.
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Is there a stable Froyo with Sense out there, one based on the Evo's ROM cause I did flash a rom by avalaunch. But it was based on the desire. I didn't like that and it didn't seem as fluid. So my question is... Is there a Froyo with Sense ROM out there thats stable and based on the Evo? and if there is what features are not working (if any) thank you
So far, all the FroYo roms are missing ( at the very least ) the back camera & 4G. However DamageControl & Cyanogen should have working ROM's within the next few days. Cyanogen will be AOSP, but i think DC might be Sense UI.
I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?
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I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?
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Htc devs are in no rush and it's not due to be released in December but BY December meaning any time until then
Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?
From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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I don't think that's true... The source code is released so anyone can compile it whenever. That's the whole point of it being open.
Where did you hear that?
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Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?
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I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .
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From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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Well, not entirely. When Google is finished testing on their "standard" hardware (in this case, the Nexus One) they will designate a final version. Then, HTC needs to get hold of this final version and add support for any unique hardware or software that their devices have. Think of it like release candidates and RTM versions of Windows. PC manufacturers get hold of the release candidates and test versions so that they can develop drivers and make sure their devices all work with the new OS. Then they get the final version, tweak what needs to be tweaked, run it through bug testing, and then pass it along.
In this case, HTC has to get the final version, make sure all of their apps and drivers work, make sure it works on their phones, and then pass it to Sprint for *more* testing to make sure it plays nice with the network and performs well.
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I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .
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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).
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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).
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According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
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According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
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Thank you very much. Is there a approximate release date for the ROM?
I'm very pleased with froyo 2.2. And I know this is a hard question to answer but do you think gingerbread 3.0 will be a huge update with lots of new features and improvements or will it just a have a few updates like froyo.
It's gonna be huge... one of the biggest things the world has ever seen.
No, seriously... who should know how it's gonna be, when there aren't any information out yet.
Cheers
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No, seriously... who should know how it's gonna be, when there aren't any information out yet.
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I meant your opinions.
As the name 3.0 says, you can assume that there will be major changes.
My opinion is that 3.0 will be a small update and only bring a couple of new features. Seeing as froyo only has a few new features and it took a while after 2.1 to be released. 3.0 is released by the end of the year. How could they possibly make a huge difference in a short period of time?
I'm hoping I'm wrong as I read somewhere Google said that the update will be that good we won't need HTC sense. Hope that's true.
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I meant your opinions.
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when android version 3.0 is release is signals a massive change in the os, google have decided to make 2 branches of android there will be the android 2.X branch for low to mid end devices and the 3.X branch for top end devices and android tablets, its also going to be alot better looking, the whole android ui is getting a revamp
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My opinion is that 3.0 will be a small update and only bring a couple of new features. Seeing as froyo only has a few new features and it took a while after 2.1 to be released. 3.0 is released by the end of the year. How could they possibly make a huge difference in a short period of time?
I'm hoping I'm wrong as I read somewhere Google said that the update will be that good we won't need HTC sense. Hope that's true.
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They've probably been working on Gingerbread since before they finished Froyo, and the fact that it's called 3.0 instead of 2.3 is significant.
Great stuff cant wait for it now.
It's gonna be huge!!! Major style gaming too
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-sony-ericsson-to-introduce-android-3-0-gaming-platfor/
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It's gonna be huge!!! Major style gaming too
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/exclusive-sony-ericsson-to-introduce-android-3-0-gaming-platfor/
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Android 3.0 will have a facelift and yes a big one heard its going to be based on something like the gallery 3D app.
I recall reading that the rumours circulating about 3.0 are unreliable at best.
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I'm hoping I'm wrong as I read somewhere Google said that the update will be that good we won't need HTC sense. Hope that's true.
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Do we really need it now? The only reason I'm using a Sense ROM at the moment is so that the FM Radio works. If it weren't for that I'd be using a vanilla ROM.
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Do we really need it now? The only reason I'm using a Sense ROM at the moment is so that the FM Radio works. If it weren't for that I'd be using a vanilla ROM.
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Without sense widgets I would be lost. I use most of them and the market alternatives just don't do it for me. I suppose it al depends on what the user needs.
Gingerbread
I wonder if Desire will still be defined as a high end device by the end of the year. Would hate if I had to get a new phone to experience 3.0!
Crossing my fingers for legen-dary performance!
I would love to get better update system. Where google would be pushing os updates while htc, mto, se and so on would push their ui + their software updates only. Therefore there would be no fragmentation of the os.
Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
The device is aging, M9 is supposed to be revealed tomorrow. I'm not even sure if they will make the 5.1 Android for M8, and that is much needed, seeing how buggy Lollipop is. I seriously regret updating, I wish I had enough sense to stay wit KitKat, that worked great on my phone.
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Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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ViperOneM8 has been updated three times in the last two weeks, with another update to come out in the next few days. Although two of them mostly addressed bug fixes, there were also new features added.
There has been a couple of lollipop nightly builds for this device. To be honest, I don't really notice a slowdown of development.
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Has development slowed down for our device? Since lollipop got released, there hasn't been many new updates for existing roms or new roms. I know, if I want it, I should develop a rom myself. But, I've never been good at program languages so, I depend on the fine folks here on XDA. I appreciate all their efforts. But, again I ask, has development slowed?
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No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents
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No i do not share the feeling development slowed down, then again why should a developer spend so much time on these builds when sense 7 is around the corner. I think they pick the most valuable tweaks and parts of optimization.
My 2 cents
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Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?
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Do you think Sense 7 and Android 5.1 are actually coming to the M8?
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I don't think.....know for sure it will
I'm new to HTC (but certainly not new to the world of custom ROMs). Is there a likelihood we'll see ROMs not based on HTC's software? Has HTC been good in the past releasing the necessary software to the developers to port other ROMs to this device? This is the only major thing I feel is missing with this phone. I'm enjoying having my root apps back and whatnot but I do miss having those truly custom ROMs.
We absolutely will see a ton of ROMS. It's just going to take some time. The device is brand new. Give it some time. Based on timing, it's also possible some devs are going to just jump right into N adding a little delay.
Either way, this is a dev friendly flagship, so we will definitely get variety.
yes it would get a ton of custom roms...
but definitely not a pure aosp rom or rom built from scratch on aosp for HTC 10 or any of the HTC devices so far...
that only happens with very few devices and definitely our pure love Nexus!!!!!
i miss those aosp builds already and still holding onto Nexus because ofthat....
Me too, im looking forward for them. I just jumped from a nexus 5, and i'm very pleased with the 10 but i do miss the customization and the pure android feel. God bless the developers, and hopefully we gonna see a pure aosp rom soon
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To be honest it all depends. 1. If the development get the device or 2. Some one gets it and does the work. The second option is most likely as most development teams fight only nexus devices and leave the other devices to people that buy them.
friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
Just bought my wife a gold OnePlus3. It's like a Nexus...stupid simple OEM unlock and ROMs up to wahzoo....tempting to switch over. I still like the display and the audio on the HTC 10 for now. It's pretty snappy and I'm happy with Viper but I do miss all the other "tweaks."
The main resaon for missing other Rom's is the later Release of this Device. But i think u only need one ROM, its Viper that u use... i recive my Device this Month and i know that i dont miss this CM Based things.
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friendly bump it's August...safe to say no hope for any other types of ROMs?
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
With all the stuff going on surrounding Cyanogen I wouldn't be surprised if we stop seeing CM ROM development altogether.
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Not even close! Check the cm13 dev thread, development is more or less just getting started in porting it over (even though a lot has already been done, just what's left is not small)
A lot of custom AOSP roms start with cm as a base, so once they get the rest of the hardware/kernel level stuff figured out you'll start seeing the typical wave of them shortly thereafter.
Just remember this stuff is a hobby and it's summer time (at least in the states) so be patient.
Honestly, I've held out even unlocking so far in part because of this. There's enough on stock that the value isn't there for me until there's a tasty selection of both AOSP and sense roms for me to try
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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isn't aosp based and cm based both different....
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I guess it depends on how specific one needs to be on the definition. CM is an AOSP-based ROM, see http://www.cyanogenmod.org/about, so any other ROM using CM as a base would in my eyes ultimately be AOSP-based itself. Put into analog, let's say you take some wood and build a chair. Then later you cut down that chair a bit to make a foot stool, maybe cut in a cup-holder and paint on some cool new QS tiles. Is that stool made out of wood or made out of chair?
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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CM is now as far away from AOSP as any other oem based rom.
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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that is very true
but the point i was trying to make there was that most if not all non-oem roms (at least for htc handsets) rooted in AOSP are either based on cm or wind up getting ported with a HAL cherry-picked from cm. (just what i've seen)
the first domino has gotta fall
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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I've always felt CM 6-7 was very well polished and after so many devices being introduced, has lost it's reliability and polishness that OEMs offer after CM 7.
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zelendel said:
You would really be amazed. Most people are avoiding use anything from cm. Maybe only the theme engine but that isn't even really theirs. With CM history of not testing commits and bugs that have been around for years unfixed. Many are finding it easier just to not deal with cm. Plus the main devs ticked alot of devs off so they won't use it out of principles.
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Yeah I'm basing all that off what I saw with the jewel which I just now jumped from. I'm a coder but not an Android dev by any stretch, and was rolling my own cm for the better part of the past year and dabbled in porting briefly.
I can totally see what you're saying though. At some point you get too many hands in the pot and it becomes more curse than blessing.
Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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Sorry to bump this up again but is there any active development on AOSP for the 10? Haven't seen anything yet.
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keep checking http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
there is this one there already http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-validusos-m-gzr-23-08-2016-t3446373
but still with a few bugs, give it a little more time and we should get something for daily driver
anything yet?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
Is there any chance we'll see CM on our devices?
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Is there any chance we'll see CM on our devices?
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If I remember correctly someone was working on it and posted a screenshot of it. Still very early tho. Like very early. HTC sources need to be released etc.
Can someone identify that "someone"? I have a PC set up for building AOSP for nexuses, and I would like to help porting CM13 to HTC 10 now that I got myself one
if the kernel source is out it shouldnt be too hard. I was waiting to see if tmo one is unlocked which it is so i'll be picking one up
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if the kernel source is out it shouldnt be too hard. I was waiting to see if tmo one is unlocked which it is so i'll be picking one up
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The kernel source isn't out yet, at least not on HTCDev. Once that happens, CM13 ought to be right around the corner.
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if the kernel source is out it shouldnt be too hard. I was waiting to see if tmo one is unlocked which it is so i'll be picking one up
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albinomannnnn!!! Nice to see you here. Was on the SGS5 since launch and all your work on the device made my good times with the S5 stretch all the way till recently.
Good to hear there're so many excellent devs getting on board and/or already on board with this device. Seems like HTC 10 will have a bright supported future. So glad I made the decision to jump the Samsung ship. The S7/S7E had everything I would want hardware/layout-wise plus IP68, but once again they locked it down. WTF Samsung. And I'm Korean and usually support our products lol.
Anyway, was a long time lurker in SGS5 forums til I got the HTC 10. Hope your health is going well/improving, and looking forward to more advancements with our 10's!
dj_chapz said:
Can someone identify that "someone"? I have a PC set up for building AOSP for nexuses, and I would like to help porting CM13 to HTC 10 now that I got myself one
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That "someone" is @squid2 and the thread is here. Even has a build posted that he says boots, but of course a lot of stuff broken.
Looks like HTC is starting to release the kernel source code!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-htc-10/how-to/wild-kernel-source-appears-t3382957
http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
HTC 10 CM13 and Resurrection Remix ROM is available
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I found the following HTC 10 ROMs recently updated:
CyanogenMod 13 for HTC 10
and
Resurrection Remix Marshmallow ROM for HTC 10
Working and non-working status of all these ROMs are not known at this moment. Try at your own risk.