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HTC ONE which camera app a quick review

With so many choices of camera apps for your HTC ONE, I thought I would put a quick comparison together. This way you get to see the results side by side, making the differences far easier to see. This is not a test of functionality, but more importantly image quality.
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light conditions, but the results are still clear to see. All the images below have not been edited and are uploaded as the original files, so feel free to click on the link below each photo to see in larger format.
TEST 1
Camera 360
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http://flic.kr/p/bWqNWq
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNVu
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNL
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWqNNE
As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure and compared to the camera FV-5 file which is a 12.5 MB PNG compared to the 3 MB HTC camera JPEG file, there is no more detail resolved in the FV-5 photo. In fact all the third party application photos show no more detail and all suffer from over exposure and severe purple fringing.
TEST 2
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cy
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6C9
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6Cf
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWr6B1
Very similar results once again to test 1, with the HTC camera outperforming the other applications in this comparison.
TEST 3
Camera 360
http://flic.kr/p/bWrizG
Camera ICS
http://flic.kr/p/bWriys
Camera FV-5
http://flic.kr/p/bWriyA
HTC Camera
http://flic.kr/p/bWrixU
At this point the results are becoming consistent and I’m sure to the surprise of many users the HTC camera application is actually superior!
So to conclude:
1st HTC Camera Application
2nd Camera FV-5, Camera ICS, Camera 360 and the results from all three of these were much the same and underwhelming. I’m sure many users will psychologically think these apps have to be better due to the file sizes and adjustable image compression, but this is not seen in practise.
What do you think?
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Do the other camera apps use the image sense chip or just the cpu like most other phones?

Radiognome said:
The four apps chosen for this test were,
1. HTC One on-board camera app
2. Camera FV-5
3. Camera ICS
4. Camera 360
Each camera app was set to, no zoom, 100 ISO and the photographs were taken under varying light condition
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As you will see from the images the HTC Camera application does not blow out the whites with over exposure...
What do you think?
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Thanks for doing this test.
With a 28mm f2.0 lens, I wonder if apps struggle with automatic exposure control?
It could explain why all apps over expose, if this lens lets in more light than most camera lenses.
Did you try auto ISO?

Firstly robt772000, I would also like to know if the other camera apps use the image sense chip. As I'm sure that I read somewhere that the image data is sent in raw format to the image sense chip for processing.
BenPope, I did not try auto iso for this test, as I wanted to capture the best possible quality from each camera app and also I selected iso 100 to keep the results consistant. But I will run a quick test using auto iso and see if the results change.
Thank you both for your input!

The whole point of Camera FV-5 is customizing all the settings as you would do on a DSLR, you need to know how to better-custom it, if you do so the pictures will look amazing. There is no "auto" setting on camera FV-5, there is also no pre-set config like "sunny" for white balance for instance

L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.

very nice thread here..

Thanks for The thread, very helpfull, I m using all HTC stcok apps, Sense is wonderful, no need to find additional apps... I love The camara, I know its a cell cámara, so i m happy with apps and phone.
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So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?

Radiognome said:
L Tavaress, I understand your point, but if the metering is way out on FV-5, you do not have a very good base for customization. All DSLR's depend on accurate metering for any given situation. Not having the luxury of being able to adjust the shutter speed and aperture, leaves you somewhat restricted. With the only options being iso and exposure compensation this will make photo taking painfully slow and many opportunities will be lost, while tumbling for the correct adjustments.
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You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$

LTavaress said:
You're right!!! The fixed aperture thing is such a pain in the @$$
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It can just be compensated with faster shutter speeds to keep exposure down.. Or lower ISO values, which is even better.

robt772000 said:
So I assume trips cm9 will have a lot of over exposure due to it having the stock ics camera?
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Oh. Cm9 uses the aosp camera app. Probably not even wide screen option... I still dont get why people use Cm9. To plain to my taste.
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Wondering what rom version you are on? Am guessing 1.29+?

FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO sense camera !
use any camera app and reduce exposure time, you will get almost the same image quality as the sence camera. I have tested this on CM9. worked with Camera FV-5 and Camera360. The settings are saved so u dont have to bother next time u start the app. and it is more convenient on the FV-5(use the latest version). Only thing you will miss is the assum burst mode !! and in video capture. Thats all.
This is most helpful for cm9 users.

The real issue is that this phone has bad saturation and whitebalance settings no matter what camera software you use.

Have you tried vignette? I think the pics are better with that app.

More Shots
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?

The big problem with the One stock app is that in low light it tends to slow the shutter speed too much (for a phone) even with the internal stabilization, something slower than 1/10 sec will end blurry even if you keep your hand still.
The solution will be an app that controls shutter speed or to tweak the stock apk (they just tweaked jpeg compression)

KromerX said:
Can anyone provide more shots with HTC ONE and third-party cam's (Camera FV-5), after settings tweak?
Is it actually possible, to make pic look better than on stock camera?
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This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!

Model name
Blubster said:
This thread is about One X, not the One that came in 2013... Look at the dates of the differents posts before yours...
You revived a thread that is older than a year!
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I see that. But look at the name of this topic. Am I wrong? Or maybe moders are wrong? Or Maybe author just screwed up?
Whatever it was, this topic and model name in it is rather ambiguous.

Recording video - disable audio zoom?

Is there any way to disable the audio zoom when recording video?
I've noticed and seen it reported that the audio becomes almost muffled when zooming in while recording a video. It would be nice to experiment with that feature toggled on/off.

refresh

speedzioch said:
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Refresh? What kind of answer is that? Refresh what?
I have the same question about the audio zoom btw.

danielscissorhands said:
Refresh? What kind of answer is that? Refresh what?
I have the same question about the audio zoom btw.
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There is no way to disable the audio zoom in the native camera app. I've even emailed LG support about it and they have no workaround from inside that app.
I have been experimenting with a bunch of third party camera apps in the meantime and it seems that most of them do not show this effect so it must be baked into the native camera app or something. I would recommend looking into apps like ProShot or Camera FV-5. I know for sure ProShot does not have the audio zoom effect. I'm singling out those two cameras because they have EV (exposure value) compensation right on the interface when taking pictures/video which is really helpful because this phone doesn't seem to auto-adjust the EV properly in many situations I'm in when trying to take pictures/video.

monrovian said:
There is no way to disable the audio zoom in the native camera app. I've even emailed LG support about it and they have no workaround from inside that app.
I have been experimenting with a bunch of third party camera apps in the meantime and it seems that most of them do not show this effect so it must be baked into the native camera app or something. I would recommend looking into apps like ProShot or Camera FV-5. I know for sure ProShot does not have the audio zoom effect. I'm singling out those two cameras because they have EV (exposure value) compensation right on the interface when taking pictures/video which is really helpful because this phone doesn't seem to auto-adjust the EV properly in many situations I'm in when trying to take pictures/video.
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Thanks. In another forum (here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-cameras-problems-t3180240), someone mentioned that when they used a 3rd party app that, while the audio zoom was no longer a factor, the sound quality at a concert was worse than with the LG G4 camera app itself. I want to film a lot of concerts, and I have until Monday to make a decision about returning my LG G4. I don't think I'll have time to test it out at a concert before Monday. Have YOU tried it at a concert with these apps? How was the sound with these apps. Was it better or worse? Do loud sounds still get distorted easily? I have hear that the LG G4 has a bad mic. Do you think so?
Should i spend the extra $150 or $200 to get the Samsung S6? There is also the Nexus 6P, but I have heard that the frame can bend easily on that camera. And as for the Samsung, it has a really bad quality speaker when you are playing stuff back.
PS: If the audio zoom is baked into the native camera app, like you said, that sounds like a SOFTware issue, right? So could a future update fix that, possibly?
Thanks.

danielscissorhands said:
Thanks. In another forum (here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-cameras-problems-t3180240), someone mentioned that when they used a 3rd party app that, while the audio zoom was no longer a factor, the sound quality at a concert was worse than with the LG G4 camera app itself. I want to film a lot of concerts, and I have until Monday to make a decision about returning my LG G4. I don't think I'll have time to test it out at a concert before Monday. Have YOU tried it at a concert with these apps? How was the sound with these apps. Was it better or worse? Do loud sounds still get distorted easily? I have hear that the LG G4 has a bad mic. Do you think so?
Should i spend the extra $150 or $200 to get the Samsung S6? There is also the Nexus 6P, but I have heard that the frame can bend easily on that camera. And as for the Samsung, it has a really bad quality speaker when you are playing stuff back.
PS: If the audio zoom is baked into the native camera app, like you said, that sounds like a SOFTware issue, right? So could a future update fix that, possibly?
Thanks.
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I primarily use my phone to video concerts as well and it's way above most other android phones in that regard, imo. Now, I wouldn't necessarily say that equates to much since non-HTC android phones have been known to record garbage at concerts. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why my old HTC One X could record concert sound so much better than any newer phone I got and I'm finally satisfied with this phone. I tried to look over some concert videos I've been to, comparing videos recorded with the native camera app and with an app like ProShot. I can't definitively say one has better sound quality than the other but it sounds like the native app tries to soften certain louder noises (this could be a good or bad thing depending on what you want and the exact sound conditions). I don't think the phone has a bad mic either but I have experienced distortion in videos, for parts of a second - nothing too long, which I don't think can't be expected when recording in such loud environments. Otherwise, my videos have been pretty distortion free. You will want to watch where your hand is around the recording mic, at the bottom of the phone though. I've had varied results when I'm not paying attention and my hand is covering or partially covering the mic.
I don't think you'll have any better results with the Samsung phone and I've never heard particularly good things about their phones recording in concert environment. These companies don't put as much effort into their audio recording capabilities like Apple, Nokia or HTC do but LG did a pretty good job with this one. Although, the iPhones record in mono (and you can absolutely distinguish between that and how this phone records in stereo) and the feedback on HTC's camera has been pretty negative so you gotta balance the good with the bad.
This is an absolute software issue since the third party camera apps don't experience the audio zoom. Ideally, LG should have provided a way to toggle the audio zoom in the camera app like they did for the LG G2. I originally posted this hoping someone went through the camera code and found a flag to toggle to control the audio zoom as well but it doesn't look like anyone has put any effort in there or that flag is not exposed in the code?
Anyway, I don't think you're gonna find a much better, or anything better, in terms of recording concerts if you want to stick with Android. If you stick with it, I would again recommend using a third party camera app like the two I previously suggested since it eliminates the audio zoom and allows for EASY EV control. Video with the phone isn't too bad when it comes to auto-EV compensation but the photos can be horrendeous, especially if you're focusing on the lead singer's face where they usually have a spotlight. I can't even count the amount of photos I've tried to take where the lead singer's face is almost completely "whited out", if that makes sense, until I found one of these apps with easy EV control. Now, whenever I recognize that happening, I turn the EV compensation down (sometimes all the way down to -2) and I get pretty good results.
Check out my instagram if you want some real examples. Keep in mind, there's a ton of compression thrown on them from IG. The ones on there from this phone will be the ones dated July of this year and later. I can guarantee the last 9 posts on there were with the ProShot app.
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Completely agree with you. Wasn't aware of that problem at all, now after I came back from a football match with many videos I realized that the sound is so crap... So still they haven't fixed it because I'm on latest MM update. How do you deal with it use ProShot app?

F-L-Y-E-R said:
Completely agree with you. Wasn't aware of that problem at all, now after I came back from a football match with many videos I realized that the sound is so crap... So still they haven't fixed it because I'm on latest MM update. How do you deal with it use ProShot app?
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Yeah, I accidentally used the native camera app to record part of a concert two weeks ago where I zoomed in slightly and the effect is still there after a few OS updates.
I have gotten around it since learning about the ProShot app by using that app since it does not experience the audio zoom effect if you're trying to zoom at all during the video. I would highly recommend using that specific app or you could probably use any third-party video recording apps. ProShot, in particular, lets you zoom while retaining the original audio sound and lets you control EV very easily, even while recording. This may be a lot more important to me than you since I attend many indoor concerts. I have also found that ProShot usually takes more accurately colored images than the native camera app if there's any large difference in lighting around where your photo will be (ie. in terms of an indoor concert, darkness surrounding a spotlight on the singer), without even accounting for the EV control. For other cases where the lighting is pretty consistent around where the photo will be, I've found ProShot and the native app comparable.
I have pretty much replaced the native camera app with ProShot unless I'm somewhere well lit or want to snap something quick (double-tap the volume down button with the screen off to turn on the camera app quickly) and don't particularly care how it comes out.

monrovian said:
Yeah, I accidentally used the native camera app to record part of a concert two weeks ago where I zoomed in slightly and the effect is still there after a few OS updates.
I have gotten around it since learning about the ProShot app by using that app since it does not experience the audio zoom effect if you're trying to zoom at all during the video. I would highly recommend using that specific app or you could probably use any third-party video recording apps. ProShot, in particular, lets you zoom while retaining the original audio sound and lets you control EV very easily, even while recording. This may be a lot more important to me than you since I attend many indoor concerts. I have also found that ProShot usually takes more accurately colored images than the native camera app if there's any large difference in lighting around where your photo will be (ie. in terms of an indoor concert, darkness surrounding a spotlight on the singer), without even accounting for the EV control. For other cases where the lighting is pretty consistent around where the photo will be, I've found ProShot and the native app comparable.
I have pretty much replaced the native camera app with ProShot unless I'm somewhere well lit or want to snap something quick (double-tap the volume down button with the screen off to turn on the camera app quickly) and don't particularly care how it comes out.
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So do you use pro version or demo one? If you know what are the difference, does it limit something or not, thanks.

I found the problem, I told you guys, the only way to fix it is when you want to record a gigs and zooming at the same time, you have no choice to record it in PORTRAIT mode, the audio zoom is not activated when you record in portrait mode... It's LG I don't know why they have stupid ideas, it's not even fix with the LG G5, they think it's a good feature lol.
Edit : but obviously, the stereo is not good as when you shooting in landscape mode.
Edit 2 : I don't think ProShot use completely the stereo mics, the pictures are better but the sound are worst than the native camera app.

I found a workaround for this issue with the "best ever feature" of LG called Audio zoom. Just use external microphone and everything will be fine with recorded sound. No distortion, no cutting, no filters - just raw sound even if you use zoom with the official Camera app. Forget about video recording with 3-rd party apps - the sound is terrible and the zoom is not full zoom as with the original Camera app, but some low res digital video picture cropping.
You can use any external microphone you want, but since you are about to record a gig / concert for example you would like to have the smallest one, this is what I bought also from aliexpress for 2$ - Cellphone Smartphone Portable Mini Omni-Directional Mic Microphone for Recorder:
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Alternative/Best Camera app for op3?

Are Camera apps other than stock that offer same or better quality/focus for crisper images? Just wondering.
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A camera with a much better auto focus is what I am looking for also
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What's the problem with your AF?
Mine works better than on any other phone I've had..

ptoner said:
A camera with a much better auto focus is what I am looking for also
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Agree, is there one? I saw someone who used Open Camera for "pro" Pictures but i havent tested it out yet.
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Apart from specific features and camera2api compatibility,
I did not find a single app yet which can compete with the stock camera app
in terms of general processing quality.
Sure, sometimes the stock app tends to overprocess images, but I guess they can further tweak this with future updates.
( check this video on this matter: http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/KidtanPE/file.html )
I often noticed that faces tend to be overly processed and thus result smoothed-out. This without using HQ or HDR which is bad!
Judging by this issue, it might be better to enable raw or use another app in specific situations.
In terms of white balance abd focus accuracy, they are all more or less the same.

AcmE85 said:
Sure, sometimes the stock app tends to overprocess images, but I guess they can further tweak this with future updates.
( check this video on this matter: http://www108.zippyshare.com/v/KidtanPE/file.html )
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That link is virus as ****.
General balances can be edited but Focus cant. Would be great with an app that locks on a Little better when tapping the screen for Focus.
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markusviktorius said:
That link is virus as ****.
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Would be great with an app that locks on a Little better when tapping the screen for Focus.
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Sorry for any inconvenience produced by this link. I am using an adblocker on my OP3 and my PC so I don't have any issues with zippyshare.
Regarding focus, when using the stock camera app you can lock focus by long pressing on a subject.
Personally I don't have focus issues. My only issue is the processing you can see in my video.
It might actually be the reason why some think that pictures are not correctly focused.
They appear sharp at first, but get blurry after processing has been applied.
I can upload somewhere else if you want. Just tell me a hoster.

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Sorry for any inconvenience produced by this link. I am using an adblocker on my OP3 and my PC so I don't have any issues with zippyshare.
Regarding focus, when using the stock camera app you can lock focus by long pressing on a subject.
Personally I don't have focus issues. My only issue is the processing you can see in my video.
It might actually be the reason why some think that pictures are not correctly focused.
They appear sharp at first, but get blurry after processing has been applied.
I can upload somewhere else if you want. Just tell me a hoster.
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Alright, didnt think you did that on purpose. How about uploading to Youtube? Or any other Place, does not really matter. Oh, i honestly did not know.
I just know that i am too lazy for using the manual tweaks to get perfection?
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markusviktorius said:
How about uploading to Youtube? Or any other Place, does not really matter. Oh, i honestly did not know.
I just know that i am too lazy for using the manual tweaks to get perfection��
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There you go
This is a serious issue OnePlus needs to address and probably the reason many think they have focus issues.

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There you go
This is a serious issue OnePlus needs to address and probably the reason many think they have focus issues.
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Thanks! Mine does that too but it flickers 3 Times instead of your 1 time.
Yours get blurry the first time and so does mine, but mine moves back and forth one more time before settling with a pic that is as Good or almost as Good as the first pic shown.
Edit: actually now when i look at it it doesnt flicker in Good lighting, just in semi-poor to poor lighting for some reason..
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Yes, it differs with the lighting. It may sound strange but I was actually happier with the OPO in some situations
because it offered more consistency compared to the OP3 (in daylight).
Off course, the overall quality is much better on the OP3, especially in lowlight, but sometimes you won't know what the postprocessing will actually do with the final image,
mostly with slightly moving subjects (I am not talking about motion blur due to slow shutter-speed!).
I already did some pictures from people which appeared great at first inside the gallery, but then got destroyed by postprocessing!

AcmE85 said:
Yes, it differs with the lighting. It may sound strange but I was actually happier with the OPO in some situations
because it offered more consistency compared to the OP3 (in daylight).
Off course, the overall quality is much better on the OP3, especially in lowlight, but sometimes you won't know what the postprocessing will actually do with the final image,
mostly with slightly moving subjects (I am not talking about motion blur due to slow shutter-speed!).
I already did some pictures from people which appeared great at first inside the gallery, but then got destroyed by postprocessing!
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You have obviously tested other apps such as Open camera and confirmed that the problem stays the same regardless of the app used?
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You have obviously tested other apps such as Open camera and confirmed that the problem stays the same regardless of the app used?
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Oh, the OOS Camera App is the only app with this issue because it uses proprietary postprocessing to filter out noise, which is not available for other camera apps.
Other apps use the same "basic" postprocessing which is nearly identical in good lighting, or much worse in bad lighting compared to the OOS Camera.
Google Camera https://abload.de/img/img_20160723_001912tkqmo.jpg
Stock Camera https://abload.de/img/img_20160723_001920t9q4y.jpg
Google Camera https://abload.de/img/img_20160723_002156l7rpb.jpg
Stock Camera https://abload.de/img/img_20160723_002205h1q8y.jpg
In lowlight, no apps beats the OOS camera.
In daylight and depending on the subject you will often get more details with third-party apps, but more noise.
But I need to do more testing, especially when taking pictures of people to really see the differences.
In terms of focusing I did not see a difference. I might test Open Camera later.

For flawless quality, just enable DNG RAW file save and process images yourself. DNG files offer vastly superior dynamic range because the 31 MB files contain all red, green and blue subpixel data, unprocessed.
For wider range of manual controls, I recommend AZ Camera, it has full manual controls for video as well. I also like A Better Camera, I use it's HDR mode which has far superior (albeit grainy) multi-shot processing. Manual Camera is always an option, I just prefer AZ Camera because of video settings and I like AZ Screen recorder.
At the end of the day, stock app image quality is not that bad, though HDR is more denoised since oxygen OS 3.2.2.

It's clear that you can get the most out of a raw file, especially when using additional denoising algorithms on a PC.
This doesn't mean that this is a solution for everyone and we can't discuss this any further.
Some people just want to take their devices and snap the best possible photos without too much of an effort.
I took my fair share of raw photos, but often just don't want to.
In comparison with the OPO for example, the gap between the processed jpeg and the developed dng is not too far away on the OP3.
The OP3's processing still has much room for improvement in auto-mode though, as you can see in my YouTube video.
After some testing I can say that the perfect app highly depends on the lighting conditions.
... I will add more to this post later.

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Sorry for any inconvenience produced by this link. I am using an adblocker on my OP3 and my PC so I don't have any issues with zippyshare.
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What Ad-Blocker are you using? I have ADP on Chrome but I still got a new window pop-up from that link (AV blocked link). And ADP on my OP3 frickin blocks all internet traffic sometimes, welp most of the times. So on OP3 i only have Ad-Away .. but it's pretty useless.

Adaway on OP3 and uBlock Origin on my PC running Chrome Beta 52.
ABP is slowing down Chrome compared to uBlock.
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-vs.-ABP:-efficiency-compared
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Camera comparison
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w3q0it8lgu6hsvl/AABAuFOsk6MKGs7Nn6uMpFXOa?dl=0
For best quality, download the whole package and watch on your PC.
Keep in mind that the Windows 10 standard photos app is a blurry mess and they still did not fix this issue!!!!
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...fea-889b-48e4-8368-1a2d2922dd0c?page=1&auth=1
Use the old picture viewer for example
OxygenOS Camera vs. Google Camera vs. Open Camera (camera2api enabled)
Running on OxygenOS 3.2.2
All pictures were taken handheld on auto-mode, no HQ or HDR or any additional modes enabled.
All with autofocus. All pictures were the first and only shots I did in this situations. I did not have to correct focal points or anything, just aim, snap & done.
What I can say so far is that in daylight (Photos 1, 2 and 5) there is almost no difference when comparing them on the OP3 screen.
Only noticeably difference are plain colored objects. There is still some minimal noise left with Open Camera and Google Camera.
The OOS Camera filters most of it without losing any details.
I have included one photo taken with Open Camera with camera2api disabled and it looks like there is no denoise filter enabled at all.
The exception to the rule is the photo showing Yoda (Photo 3).
At first glance there is no difference. When comparing at 100% crop you can see that the OOS Camera loses some slight details due to postprocessing.
On photo 4 I tried to darken the room. There is one photo which shows the proper lighting in that scene, by manually decreasing the exposure with OOS camera.
The improved postprocessing by the OOS Camera clearly wins here hands down. What can be observed is that all apps increase the exposure.
Weirdly, all have the same shutter-speed (1/17s), but although having the by far least amount of noise, the OOS camera uses a 6400 ISO, the other two a 3200 ISO!
I am pretty sure there is something wrong with exif data on the OOS Camera.
Photo 6 shows the Dark Tower^^
OOS Camera wins again. Once again 6400 vs 3200 ISO.
Photo 7 shows the same results as the first daylight shots.
Photo 8 was taken with artificial lighting. The results are equal to photo 4.
Basically the pictures and processing are identical on the Google Camera and Open Camera.
I had more apps installed, but earlier shots were showing the same results, so I did not include them into this comparison.
The OOS Camera basically wins every time in lowlight.
Daylight pictures are hard to judge as it tends to make them quite clean with its denoising (see Yoda!)
Google and Open Camera show a slightly more noise, but one could argue that they are preserving more detail.
As I already mentioned earlier, the OOS Camera sometimes goes way too far when there is slight movement involved in the scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
that includes peoples faces in perfect lighting. I will continue shooting with Google Camera in these occasions to compare
the behaviour to the OOS Camera.
In terms of focus speed and accuracy, all apps performed the same.
I was using CM13 for a day, the day before it got official nightlies, and can say that camera quality
is identical to what you get with Google Camera on Oxygen OS.
Unfortunately this means that when you are going to do lowlight shots, you will get worse results.
I really hope we will get a fully working OOS camera port in the future.
Until then I am forced to stay on OxygenOS.
edit: Before I get any of these posts to just use manual mode or raw, or... this is not the goal of this comparison ok

AcmE85 said:
Yes, it differs with the lighting. It may sound strange but I was actually happier with the OPO in some situations
because it offered more consistency compared to the OP3 (in daylight).
Off course, the overall quality is much better on the OP3, especially in lowlight, but sometimes you won't know what the postprocessing will actually do with the final image,
mostly with slightly moving subjects (I am not talking about motion blur due to slow shutter-speed!).
I already did some pictures from people which appeared great at first inside the gallery, but then got destroyed by postprocessing!
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This solved my issue:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-post-processing.470510/page-14#post-16614706

camera FV-5

Google camera with hdr

[MOD REQUEST] Camera post processing fix (over-saturation, sharpening etc.)

Hi all,
Is there any way to modify stock camera post processing libraries to achieve the results we want? Cinema 4K app is the only one on the market that seems to do the trick - using the camera2 api it can modify the way how the sensor process pixels (that's what they say in the description).
The app itself is extremely buggy, and lacks many features - strange resolutions to choose from, no way to select super-wide lens camera.
LG G6 can make pretty photos (RAW and in manual mode) - auto mode sucks especially in low light. The only con of photo camera is over saturation and awful handling of overexposures.
But my main concern is about videos:
On the firs snapshot you can see video taken with highest bitrate with the stock app with manual settings. The amount of over-saturation, contrast and sharpening is just awful.
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Here you can see different snapshot from the same day, lightening and environment taken with Cinema 4k, which is the only app for android, that offers "Flat" video profile and control of noise reduction processes.
The picture here may appear a little dull - but that's the image to use with post-processing. There is no default sharpening, huge dynamic range and not so saturated colors to grade later. Whole picture is a bit greenish - but it can be easily corrected in post.
If the creator of the app managed how to capture video without any stock processing there must be a way to do it by customising the camera libraries in the stock rom. If we can find out what files are managing the capture process we can not only easy our lives but help people with other phones - i think that too much processing is the main issue everyone encounters these days with phone cameras.
the only thread I found about the topic, but it only covers this one specific phones without any details.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/themes/modcamera-aggressive-sharpening-noise-t3604458
I just bought LG G6 after long struggle between the newest flagship models, tempted by the super wide lens. I switched from Mi 5s on which the video quality was more than superb - especially when using 3rd party flat video mode. The video quality is my main goal in smartphone - I use my mobile for video projects in addition to DSLR's.
EDIT:
I send an email to Cinema 4K devs about: either clues on which files to modify to achieve similar results on other camera app based on open camera/stock camera app, or the info if they plan to continue to develop the App (the last update was made 11.2016)

Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.

+1
a camera mod would be great

+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.

eneuro said:
Out of curiosity what is your G6 model? I've seen a lot of people with H870DS complaining, might be it.
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I have LG-H870, the non dual-sim EU version.
+1 I agree. There is a big potential in the G6s camera but the default algorithms can ruin every photo makes it unnatural and oversharpened. From my side I can promise a donation for those who will work on the mod.
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I can also declare to donate! Maybe someone knows the issue and can link us the thread from other phone, or some clue about which files are handling the camera processing?

For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Awesome ! That is what we needed . I get great results. Thanks for sharing. cheers

tomashix said:
For everyone who is searching for post-processing solution!
I forget about one wonderful project called FreeDcam,
It basically reads RAW data from a camera and lets you change some interesting variables hardcoded in system app! What is more, it detects all 3 cameras, let you record in every aspect and resolution! You can select a picture profile there and settings like denoiser, edge sharpening etc. What is more is currently still developing - new version came out 2 weeks ago.
The app is prepared for all the devices based on camera2 API, and the results are very good!
Find best settings for yourself, just in case I will give you what I found out to work the best:
- Edge Mode to off
- turn off Wavelet Denoise
- hot pixel correction: High quality
- tonemap: contrast curve - and adjust it for your needs (for me the nice little flat image you can achieve by turning the knobs to [10] | [30] | [55] | [80] | [95]
It brightens the shadows a bit while making more natural a bit overexposed look (stock camera tends to clip out high very intense highlights while preserving most of the image which results in pretty unnatural sun/bright light clipping)
The results in color saturation and sharpness are huge - in photos and videos. The app is not so intuitive and it lags sometimes but the results are outstanding.
https://github.com/troop/FreeDcam/releases
I had a strange problem with installing - I couldn't press the install button, but cancel button was responsive. Try to turn off always-on display for a while - worked for me
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Very interesting, gonna try this out..
Would you mind sharing the rest of your settings? I have no idea what stuff means... :silly:
(Also can't find where to edit the contrast curve.)

I found out that "Snap Camera" and "Open Camera" supports Camera2 api as well so you can switch between all 3 lenses. FreeDcam was too buggy and unstable and could not set right wide angle lens.
Snap Camera offers to fine tune everything for advanced user (switch off denoise, postprocess, etc.) and I get nice HDR.

I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.

+1 def need a camera mod

ipmanwck said:
I got rid of my G6. It was worst than my G4 at taking photos. Really disappointed tbh. Still trying to get a phone that beats the G4 camera is tough. Wish lg would sort the water colour processing out its driving me crazy.
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You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.

dannejanne said:
You need to go to the V-series they have better sensors and not overprocessing like the G6. It's still hard to beat the image quality in the G4.
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Tell me about it. Really Impressed by my OP3T camera processing but lg G4 was really special.

Gcam vs stock camera - quality comparison

I was always a big fan of Gcam on my previous phones. It provided improved results in almost all situations over stock camera. But with Mi A3, I'm liking stock jpegs more. Except of very low light situations, in my eyes stock camera provides better white balance, contrast, saturation and details. I made a comparison photos for my usage, but maybe some other "pixel peeper" finds it interesting. All photos taken with phone resting against the window with point&shoot method (no change in focus point etc.). Full res photos should be available after clicking on them.
Apps used:
Stock camera - AI on
Hypercam E1 - "truelight" XML profile with increased saturation (and maybe something else, I forgot what I've changed )
7_2 - pgmc_7.2.014_androidpie_v7.apk found in some telegram group, default settings
Day:
Stock
Hypercam
Details
Night:
Stock
Hypercam night mode
Details:

Nice comparison, yes stock camera works beter on mi a3 but older versions are better than these pixel 3 or 4 based gcam, i was using parrot v12 gcam and it was really messing the contract most of the time and the images were dark even in day light when compared to stock, i also tested the arnova's version (8.2) of gcam and it works better pictures are brighter in daylight than parrot version, unfortunately that's all i can say about arnova gcam cause i have not tested it much yet but yes i had a max pro m1 before a3 and on that arnova gcam was awesome.

Btw. if anyone wants to experiment, you can try attached profile for Hypercam E1 or E2 (https://gcambrasil.com.br/dev/hypercam-app). It is based on TrueLight profile created by Gcam Brasil team, I just tweaked a few settings. After trying tens of different profiles I settled on this one (even though I'm using it primarily for night photos).

I always wondered what different "LIBS" in Gcam settings do, so..
In my eyes, other libs than stock Google provide very flat image - you can barely see the difference between surfaces lit by sunlight and those in shadows, which is extremely unnatural. Stock AI made the picture a tad too "punchy" by oversaturation, but I guess that's normal for the landscape mode. Gcam with Google libs is the closest to what I really see when I look out of the window, stock cam is close behind.
Stock AI (scene detected as landscape)
Gcam - Stock Google
Gcam - Xlib XS
Gcam - sRGB + B2
Gcam - Abhi Hypercam
Details comparison

_mysiak_ said:
I was always a big fan of Gcam on my previous phones. It provided improved results in almost all situations over stock camera. But with Mi A3, I'm liking stock jpegs more. Except of very low light situations, in my eyes stock camera provides better white balance, contrast, saturation and details. I made a comparison photos for my usage, but maybe some other "pixel peeper" finds it interesting. All photos taken with phone resting against the window with point&shoot method (no change in focus point etc.). Full res photos should be available after clicking on them.
Apps used:
Stock camera - AI on
Hypercam E1 - "truelight" XML profile with increased saturation (and maybe something else, I forgot what I've changed )
7_2 - pgmc_7.2.014_androidpie_v7.apk found in some telegram group, default settings
Day:
Stock
Hypercam
Details
Night:
Stock
Hypercam night mode
Details:
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Great comparison ??

Very nice topic

Quality of Gcam is so bad here because gc6.3 have far less detail than 7.0 and 7.2 is even sharper, also it's strongly corellated to lib settings. With modded settings in lib patcher (option in newer gcam mods), quality can be much better.
Depend on gcam version, best settings are different but general rule is to achive look of more megapixel count and wider dynamic range with natural analog grain with more DSLR feel, instead of digital low megapixel oversharpened smartphone look. To do this it's advisable to:
-lower sharpening to 0 or one point above (to remove ringing halo and digital look of bad interpolation)
-lower luma denoise to 0 or 1, this increase real detail preserving natural grain, and gcam is realy good at simulating analog grain with it's debayering alghoritms.
-lower contrast/dehaze to achive more dynamic range (as you can see in xlib custom lib example, lower contrast saves highlights from overburning and retain shadows, this gives space for further color postproduction)
Sharpening is only compensation for denoising, and both of those creates look of lower resolution picture. Hypercam 7.2 can be set to 3 on luma denoising and still remain natural grain, but less noise, PGMC7.0v13 have lowest noise with settings remaining natural grain, there is version modded by Burial with added Aux lens but they dont keep it on Gcam port hub, I found it on Burials Telegram.

FCHRO said:
Quality of Gcam is so bad here because gc6.3 have far less detail than 7.0 and 7.2 is even sharper, also it's strongly corellated to lib settings. With modded settings in lib patcher (option in newer gcam mods), quality can be much better.
Depend on gcam version, best settings are different but general rule is to achive look of more megapixel count and wider dynamic range with natural analog grain with more DSLR feel, instead of digital low megapixel oversharpened smartphone look. To do this it's advisable to:
-lower sharpening to 0 or one point above (to remove ringing halo and digital look of bad interpolation)
-lower luma denoise to 0 or 1, this increase real detail preserving natural grain, and gcam is realy good at simulating analog grain with it's debayering alghoritms.
-lower contrast/dehaze to achive more dynamic range (as you can see in xlib custom lib example, lower contrast saves highlights from overburning and retain shadows, this gives space for further color postproduction)
Sharpening is only compensation for denoising, and both of those creates look of lower resolution picture. Hypercam 7.2 can be set to 3 on luma denoising and still remain natural grain, but less noise, PGMC7.0v13 have lowest noise with settings remaining natural grain, there is version modded by Burial with added Aux lens but they dont keep it on Gcam port hub, I found it on Burials Telegram.
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Not sure if we're looking at the same pictures, but 7.2 came out as the worst out of the comparison.
I know that it's possible to fine tune every single parameter in GCAM, but if it was that easy, we would have THE best profile/lib available already. So far I've seen great profile for "punchy" colors, great for strong light, great for shadows, great for details, great for noise removal..but not a single one, which would be great in all situations. I have zero interest and capacity to take thousands of photos with hundreds of different settings combinations, just to find out that my precious profile is suddenly unusable with another GCAM version. If you have such a profile, fine tuned for Mi A3, I'm eager to test it and include in the comparison.
Personally I want out of camera jpeg, which is sharp, has realistic colors and provides natural contrast (shortly WYSIWYG). If I wanted soft, flat, desaturated picture, I'd shoot in RAW and do all the magic on a PC. I expect and achieve the same from my mirrorless camera - OoC JPEGs which I don't have to edit (but still can if I wanted to). For most situations, stock A3 camera provides what I want. I run GCAM only at night or when I want "artistic" HDR.
Obviously your expectations and experience might be vastly different to mine and that's completely fine. This is why I provided comparison photos instead of telling everyone what's "right" - they can easily see and chose what they prefer. You are very welcome to add your comparison photos here, I'd say that everyone is interested in seeing DSLR look and how superior it is.

I was talking about full capabilities of gcam version, not settings that mod author choose as default. That was reason for my discontent tone of 'so bad'. I didn't try to be rude, and can only be greatfull for contributing your time and effort for community.
My expectations from smartphone cam are to take jpg photos with 'ready' look, but also retaining usable information in highlights and shadows at the same time.
I'm ok with medium-low contrast look, as it takes few seconds to correct that, and you cannot undone overburned values, noise filtering artifacts or sharpening. WYSIWYG in today's state of technology is a recepie for getting large percentage of over or underexposed images that are unrecoverable. Yet this should be offered as option. Xiaomi and Realmi are choosing now to offer less contrasty stock setting for this reason, still offering contrast settings in options. Lower contrast also enable better filter compatibility, as most add contrast themeselves.
0 contrast setting in Gcam lib patcher is far from 'flat' look, speaking in video profiles lingo. It's similar to xlib or SRGB+B2 in your examples. Saturation is separate setting which can be adjusted accordingly. Increasing it in shadows usually helps with hdr and desaturating blues in post resolves stock oversaturation of highlights. 0.8-1 for highlights and 1.9-2.0 in shadows is quite universal setting, depending on mod and sensors.
Check out new mods as now updates are appearing every day on https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/developers/ Newer versions above 6.3 are significantly better.
Telegrams of developers are also good source of builds, not everything appears on Gcam port Hub. Parrots mods are compatybile with a lot of phones. Hypercam 7.2 have good lib patcher. Burial offers mod that use 48mp resolution. As for comparision photos, I have already deleted those photos. Maybe I will post something later if I will test newer mods.

I use camera on a smartphone mainly for "documentation" photos, I am well aware of its HW limitations. Whenever I want to take "nice" pictures (mostly portraits), I always take out M4/3 camera as results simply can't be compared with a phone. This is why I prefer 100% done (or as close to this as possible) photo out of a smartphone, as I find correcting phone photos just a waste of time. Even if it costs me loss of "invisible" details (which are usually worthless in terms of useful information anyway).
I understand your approach and agree that if someone wants to do any type of postprocessing, "flat" pictures are the right way to go. However I'm quite sure, that most people don't care about this and they just want to take a photo and share or view it later. Just as no "ordinary folk" cares about V-LOG in stock camera/gcam for videos.
The biggest problem with GCAM I see today is that there are probably hundreds of different versions already, and as you say, new ones appearing every day. The improvements or changes are usually so small (even if at the end quite important), that it takes a lot of effort to find the best app and settings. I usually try some new "hyped" app or xml version, but at the end I always return to stock app. For me it's much easier to remember limits of one app and take photos accordingly than to try different app every day and/or do corrections of every photo.
Don't take me wrong, I would love to have native gcam - if properly configured by professionals, it provides superior results probably to any other stock app. But that unfortunately won't happen and none of the ported versions I tried works as effortlessly as stock app.
In each case, if you find the time, I would really like to see some comparison photos with your suggested settings (stock vs gcam). Maybe you'll convince us that it's worth it.

Use default camera app, its as simple as that

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Use default camera app, its as simple as that
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I know that my posts were rather lengthy, but I will just quote myself 'For most situations, stock A3 camera provides what I want. I run GCAM only at night or when I want "artistic" HDR.'

The following GCAM version anyway beats stock camera maybe except video.
I think this is the best GCAM 7 version by Parrot043 with the best photo quality for our mi A3 on android 9 (P) for now. Also Astrophotography is always on at night mode.
this works best with only a few changes without special settings. I think this is the most beautiful thing for us.
I change hdr+ on with 15 frames and 4:3 ratio for maximum resolution. And on video this gcam supports 1080p at 60fps, 4k is only 30fps.
link : https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261647530

xda-dvlprs said:
The following GCAM version anyway beats stock camera maybe except video.
I think this is the best GCAM 7 version by Parrot043 with the best photo quality for our mi A3 on android 9 (P) for now. Also Astrophotography is always on at night mode.
this works best with only a few changes without special settings. I think this is the most beautiful thing for us.
I change hdr+ on with 15 frames and 4:3 ratio for maximum resolution. And on video this gcam supports 1080p at 60fps, 4k is only 30fps.
link : https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=4349826312261647530
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Yeah, maybe, if it could take a photo. App is constantly crashing with HDR+. Works only with HDR enhanced, which gives very unrealistic photos.

I was experimenting with photo alignment software and took a few handheld photos..
What I really see with naked eye is stock camera (Gcam Truelight profile coming close, but clouds are still "overdone" with HDR). The most pleasant, albeit the most unrealistic photos is taken with Murphy profile.
Stock camera
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_mysiak_ said:
Yeah, maybe, if it could take a photo. App is constantly crashing with HDR+. Works only with HDR enhanced, which gives very unrealistic photos.
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I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion. I think the photo quality is very realistic. maybe followers try and make their own decisions.

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I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion. I think the photo quality is very realistic. maybe followers try and make their own decisions.
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Realistic = what I see when I look with a naked eye. Enhanced HDR gives unrealistic/unnatural contrast boost, especially to clouds/sky. It might be nice, artistic etc., but it's not "real".