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Hi,
I read about the Google Nexus One having a bug with multitouch. It tracks the finger position wrong.
It seems to be a hardware error.
Does this affect the Desire too? (N1 and Desire are close in hardware)
Source:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/
Because Desire in not in sale, nobody knows.
N1 and Desire have the same screen.
For me : Both of them have this bug.
Doesnt the N1 and the desire use same capasitive screen to the hd2 as well?
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
I'm not too worried after reading this post by Cyanogen:
Cyanogen's Solution
If this will get it to work pretty much like the droid, I'm fine with it.
Polarfuchs said:
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
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Sorry yes.. Aware of that... (hd2 owner) Mean produced in the same way.. I see the nexus one has the same cross hatches as the hd2.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/bad-news-htc-says-nexus-ones-dont-go-in-pockets/
i hope it is not the same with the desire....
Desire has the identical "Pinch to Zoom" touchscreen... :-(
youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
This doesnt look good.. (i cant post links)
It is hard to see because of the blurry and spotlight reflections, but yeah the line jumps from one finger to the other. damn.
Here the link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
Why is there always something wrong when a phone seems to be nice
I guess we are just going to see when we get our hands on the device.. No point picking holes in it before we even have it. Im sure i can live with this if the n1 owners can.
PLenty of vids out now that show multitouch in-use, such as the pinching on homescreen and using web browser etc. with no problems. I don't think this will actually effect usability. Also, Engadget ran an article using a different multitouch "measuring" software and it had no problems...wouldn't get all upset about this
Agree,I currently own a N1 and this doesn't affect the pinch to zoom at all. It works flawlessly.
its not a big deal!
The issue appears to be a hardware issue, .. but i think there is away to solve it using a software fix, ... for example instead of the OS takes the data as it is from the touch screen that provides it (which appears to be flawed), another layer should exist, that can process the data from the touch screen and fix that issue and then pass it on.
I am not sure how this is can be done, or what is the effect of it on the over all performance, but I dont think it will be a problem with the Desire hardware specs.
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
irkan said:
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
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Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
redrazr7791 said:
Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
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This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
irkan said:
This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
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Thanks for clearing that up
http://www.youtube.com/user/androidpit#p/u/1/5_rT9YzE-xg
Watch from 5:40 till the end. Pinch-to-zoom is definitely there and is HELLA smooth too
Should I buy the desire or nexus one? or wait for something new?(dont know when that would be)
i kind of want to know how the optical trackball works...i am using the xperia which has an optical tackpad and its useless...would the trackball from nexus one be better or useless?
and D1 video...dont get the point of it
I'm willing to bet all of us here in the Desire forum section will tell you to get the Desire.
You're better off looking at all the reviews and make up your own mind.
See the following stickied thread for reviews!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652893
ohyeahar said:
I'm willing to bet all of us here in the Desire forum section will tell you to get the Desire.
You're better off looking at all the reviews and make up your own mind.
See the following stickied thread for reviews!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652893
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posted here because it would help me side with the desire
i really like the sense ui
numba1guju said:
posted here because it would help me side with the desire
i really like the sense ui
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i have both an x1 and desire. easily go for the desire
much better than x1 in every aspect.
maybe this ll help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671363&highlight=recommend
I think the specs on the desire and the N1 are almost exactly the same, besides the noise cancelling, BT version and the RAM. But on the other hand, the desire needs a little bit more ram due to the sense UI.
I think sense ui is starting to get useless since android has got many sens ui-features already built in since 2.1
I don't know whether to swap desire for a nexus or not. Id love color notifications, it has charging points and also I keep getting crumbs between my keys lol
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I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.
Lol i have a desire and iphone 3gs, do you think I should sell iphone and buy a nexus?
Irony is,i had a nexus but sold because I was skint! Now I miss cynoagen roms etc
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The Jones said:
I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.
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wow thanks for taking your time to write this up...i guess im going to research a little more...or just get both and try em out...whatever i dont like ill hand off to my little sister haha
all i really want is HTC to make a nexus one thin full qwerty slideout but thats a dream
i used to have a N1, first i have been very satisfied, but as i am not anymore in my mid 30 i had problems reading mails etc, as you can NOT change the font size on the N1.....I bought the Desire and it is perfect....change font size etc....great tool....just love it.
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all i really want is HTC to make a nexus one thin full qwerty slideout but thats a dream
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Motorola Driod/Milestone?
I'd go for the N1 (me and my gf have a desire) because of the faster updates and HTC crippled Android imo.
Im gonna sell my 3gs and get a nexus one.. keep both lol.
But i fancy nexus again because the colour trackball, cynoagen mods with cm updater, the kernel source is out which means you can use setcpu etc. full write access which we dont have on the desire yet.
And surely froyo will be easier to import on the nexus?
Oh and also you can install the recovery rom on flash!! which means you dont need a computer to flash roms.. well you didnt when i had one... i used to change roms at uni.. was so cool
The Jones said:
I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.
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Which one do you use as your main phone?
Guitarfreak26 said:
Which one do you use as your main phone?
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I have had the Nexus One since the first batch shipped to the UK back in Feb I think it was. I have had the Desire for 5 days! I am currently using the Desire as my main device as a test and will do so for a minimum of 2 weeks.
I am evaluating it for my company as an alternative to the Nokia E62 and HTC Touch HD2.
Most reviews suggest that the physical buttons on the Desire are better than the capacitive "touch" buttons on the Nexus One.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Most reviews suggest that the physical buttons on the Desire are better than the capacitive "touch" buttons on the Nexus One.
Regards,
Dave
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The physical buttons are nicer to use. The layout of the buttons on the N1 is better I think
numba1guju said:
Should I buy the desire or nexus one? or wait for something new?(dont know when that would be)
i kind of want to know how the optical trackball works...i am using the xperia which has an optical tackpad and its useless...would the trackball from nexus one be better or useless?
and D1 video...dont get the point of it
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Trackball is much better than optical trackpad. On the other hand, real buttons are much better than sensor buttons.
Other than that: Sense or not Sense? That is the question - if you don't do much ROM flashing and stuff that is (cause then the Nexus is better - and it will get the official Android 2.2 earlier).
I personally never use the trackpad. Why would you need to anyway?
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Hi,
I currently own a Hero and am thinking of upgrading to either a Desire or a Nexus One. They run about the same price for me if the Nexus One is a slightly used (Ebay).
The biggest problem I had with the Hero is that it takes HTC FOREVER to update the OS. With the Nexus One, the OS is updated fairly regularly.
Given that the Desire is a HTC phone, which of the two would you suggest ?
Thanks
J
The phones are near identical in terms of hardware except the Nexus has a second mic for noise cancelisation (not really an issue on the Desire) and has a trackball instead of an optical trackpad and the Nexus has touch buttons instead of real buttons.
I personally prefer HTC Sense UI but some prefer stock Android. It all depends on your needs. You are right that Google release the updates to the Nexus One sooner than other phones get it, but that's because it doesn't have a skin or other cool integrations with social networks etc.
I was in the same position when I was looking at a new phone and ultimately went for the Desire for Sense and physical buttons -- it's just personal preference
quarq said:
The biggest problem I had with the Hero is that it takes HTC FOREVER to update the OS. With the Nexus One, the OS is updated fairly regularly.
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To be fair to HTC on this one, they were much, much quicker with the Froyo update for the Desire. Nexus One got the "official" Froyo update (note, I'm not talking about the early press release) around the beginning of July, and Desire got it beginning of August.
That being said, I don't expect the Desire to ever get a Gingerbread release, but if the specs of the Desire HD (HTC Ace) are correct, given the similarity to the Desire, it's possible we could still get another update.
Regards,
Dave
I would go for the Desire just for sense. I really love this interface. I've used roms with stock android -no sense- and I just can't get used to it. If you're coming from the hero, I would get the Desire.
On the other hand, Nexus One will be the first to get updates.
Obviously people in the Desire forums will says Desire
As said, it's personal preference. I like the hardware buttons and trackpad of the Desire. Nexus One will get updates sooner, but remember that these devices are not flagships for long anymore. In the US you already have better devices, and the Desire HD is coming up. I don't think we will be getting any more official updates. We might have a chance at getting gingerbread, but probably later than the better devices that will be on the market by then.
So in short: I wouldn't go for the Nexus just because of one update you will maybe get a month before the Desire, but maybe not get at all.
If it was me, I would base my decision on the following differences, and decide which things are most important to me.
Cost
Sense
Hardware Buttons
Track Pad vs Track Ball
Updates
Custom ROMS
Cost, Desire is cheaper - Desire wins
Sense, I love it - Desire wins.
Hardware buttons, I prefer buttons - Desire wins.
Track Pad vs Track Ball, I use a Blackberry, and regularly have to replace the track ball. The optical trackpad on the Desire made me want the Desire over the N1. As it turns out however, I hardly use the Desire's track pad, and when I do, I wish it was a track ball - Nexus One wins.
Updates, any OTA update for Android will hit the N1 first, whether it will get Gingerbread is unknown, but if it does, it will get it before the Desire, and I'm sure that if the N1 can run it, then so can the Desire. If the N1 cannot run 3.0, the neither will the Desire. Result - If the N1 runs 3.0, then it's the N1, if not, it's a draw.
Custom ROMs, both phones are easily modded with custom ROMs, so you can have Sense on an N1, and vanilla Android on a Desire - draw.
That was my decision process, you can make your own mind up!
itsfozzy said:
If it was me, I would base my decision on the following differences, and decide which things are most important to me.
Cost
Sense
Hardware Buttons
Track Pad vs Track Ball
Updates
Custom ROMS
Cost, Desire is cheaper - Desire wins
Sense, I love it - Desire wins.
Hardware buttons, I prefer buttons - Desire wins.
Track Pad vs Track Ball, I use a Blackberry, and regularly have to replace the track ball. The optical trackpad on the Desire made me want the Desire over the N1. As it turns out however, I hardly use the Desire's track pad, and when I do, I wish it was a track ball - Nexus One wins.
Updates, any OTA update for Android will hit the N1 first, whether it will get Gingerbread is unknown, but if it does, it will get it before the Desire, and I'm sure that if the N1 can run it, then so can the Desire. If the N1 cannot run 3.0, the neither will the Desire. Result - If the N1 runs 3.0, then it's the N1, if not, it's a draw.
Custom ROMs, both phones are easily modded with custom ROMs, so you can have Sense on an N1, and vanilla Android on a Desire - draw.
That was my decision process, you can make your own mind up!
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You don't use your trackpad?! I use mine all the time when typing. Either to move the cursor or select the right word suggestion as it's right below the keyboard it's perfect.
steve228uk said:
You don't use your trackpad?! I use mine all the time when typing. Either to move the cursor or select the right word suggestion as it's right below the keyboard it's perfect.
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I don't make mistakes when i'm typing , but if I did, I would prefer a track ball (and a proper Blackberry keyboard) any day.
It's because I can type one-handed with a Blackberry, that I turned down the offer of an Android phone for my job. I also did not want two Desires.
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I don't make mistakes when i'm typing , but if I did, I would prefer a track ball (and a proper Blackberry keyboard) any day.
It's because I can type one-handed with a Blackberry, that I turned down the offer of an Android phone for my job. I also did not want two Desires.
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After playing with my sister's Blackberry I couldn't handle one as my main phone. I guess if I had two it'd be okay but that software is just appalling.
steve228uk said:
After playing with my sister's Blackberry I couldn't handle one as my main phone. I guess if I had two it'd be okay but that software is just appalling.
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Agreed. Blackberry for email, Desire/Android for everything else.
Did you know the nexus one is now discontinued, and Google have closed the nexus one store.
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My vote is for Nexus and i have no doubt about it.
N1 gets any updates far before any other phone, Gingerbread is almost 100% for it
N1 is the official google's developers phone, and most of the developers release their applications for N1 before any other phone,
stock is much faster than sense and any other UIs.
there is absolutely no custom modifications in Sense that can't be flashed into N1. and desire has nothing exclusive for itself.
the best custom ROM out there is cyanogenmod which is released for N1 at first and after that for other phones.
N1 has a modern design (body, battery cover, excellent trackball colors and notifications , etc)
N1 has microphone for noise cancellation.
N1 has car dock and desktop dock support.
finally N1 is being discontinued at google store and this is another advantage for it, i personally do not like my phone to be in hands of many people. also this situation has an effect in rising the price of N1 and i like this.
Alimud said:
Did you know the nexus one is now discontinued, and Google have closed the nexus one store.
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Sorry, but this is rubbish!
Google have closed *their* online store, but the Nexus One is still being produced and is still available from other channels! See here for details - it's also available direct from carriers, such as Vodafone in the UK.
Regards,
Dave
Thanks for all the replies.. Getting the Nexus One for AT&T bands generally requires going through EBay and the like..
I am kicking myself for not having got it when I had the chance. I'll look into the Desire.
J
quarq said:
Hi,
I currently own a Hero and am thinking of upgrading to either a Desire or a Nexus One. They run about the same price for me if the Nexus One is a slightly used (Ebay).
The biggest problem I had with the Hero is that it takes HTC FOREVER to update the OS. With the Nexus One, the OS is updated fairly regularly.
Given that the Desire is a HTC phone, which of the two would you suggest ?
Thanks
J
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i'd hold out for a few months and look to get the next evolution of handsets in Q4
Mr_Maz said:
i'd hold out for a few months and look to get the next evolution of handsets in Q4
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I second this. Looks like the Desire HD is set for unveiling on the 15th September.
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i'd hold out for a few months and look to get the next evolution of handsets in Q4
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If you keep holding out for the phone on the horizon you will never get a phone. The Desire HD will will be an Android version of the HD2. I find the current Desire to be a perfect size and functionality is great, I just hope they tweak the camera and camcorder for better performance.
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Jabbafat23 said:
If you keep holding out for the phone on the horizon you will never get a phone. The Desire HD will will be an Android version of the HD2. I find the current Desire to be a perfect size and functionality is great, I just hope they tweak the camera and camcorder for better performance.
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Indeed. Besides, the prices of the current phones reflect their age.
It doesn't really matter if you get N1 or Desire. They are both fine phones and perform almost identical. I personally prefer Sens UI, so I went for Desire.
I'll also give one plus for HTC Support and the physical buttons on Desire.
I had this exact same debate when I got my desire. The Nexus one was £5 a month more expensive (£120 over the 2 year contract) for pretty much the same phone, in a different casing.
I preferred the hardware buttons and overall feel of the Desire. I'm not a massive fan of capacitive buttons.
The optical trackpad on the Desire is a disappointment and doesn't work very well. I previously owned an HTC Magic which had a trackball, that was excellent and I used it all the time. So Nexus definitely wins on that one (plus the N1 trackball glows in different colours, which is a win).
I think I made the right decision though. The Desire has slightly more RAM (probably because of Sense UI) which is a plus, don't worry about updates for the Desire, we always have things ported from the N1 forum days after it appears on the N1. If you are happy to root then there are tons of roms to choose from - Sense or Stock Android.
Either would be a good upgrade from the Hero. In your position I would get the Desire or wait a few weeks longer and get the Desire HD.
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True, but there's generally a point in the lifetime of any phone beyond which you may just as well wait for the next generation.
IMHO, if the Desire HD/ACE is going to be launched mid-September, with availability soon thereafter, there's little to be lost in waiting for it. Even if you don't buy one, it will likely occupy the same price point as the Desire currently does, meaning the Desire should get cheaper.
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Dave
Anyone keen to play with the Kernel driver for the touchscreen on the desire, to come up with a patch that keeps axis inversion/sticking to a bare minimum? This is the only think keeping me from getting a desire, as I don't want to be held back by hardware. Playing multi-touch Pong and Air Hockey with my friends at school is something I want to be able to do, not to mention the almost console quality games like NOVA. A fix (kind-of) was made for the Acer Liquid By a guy playing with the kernal drivers. All of my developing focus is going into learning Java right now (Gotta start somewhere, right? ) and I do not have a device to test on, so if someone could have a go with the source from the Acer thread or create something themselves from/for the kernel at developer.htc.com would be more than greatful, because I'm not exactly keen on the Desire hd's form facter and buttons, despite the performance. Sucks that all the Desire phones have a big flaw. (Desire - Multitouch. Z - hinge. HD - Size could be a problem, buttons too flush and delicate battery, sim, and SD covers.)
Thanks in advance for your time, and, hopefully, hard work.
Would be very cool, It's practically impossible to play games like modern combat, or any other games where your fingers cross, because of the axis swapping. A fix that, almost, prevents that would be awesome.
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Yeh, that very a big problem...
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I know it's impossible to truly fix it, but you can get close. personally, I don't care for having more than two finger gestures, I just want perfectly stable multitouch. If someone could create a driver that assigns an id to the first and second touch, and tries to, as accurately as possible, track which registered touch is which, even when the movement exceeds the refresh rate of the screen/sensor, and reads 2 individual touches when they are close/the axises are close. I've been reading up on how the synaptics ClearPad 2000 works, and it reports 2 coordinates for each touch, an x and a y. Shouldn't be too hard for it to not get very confused, right? I'd say, this is a year overdue. But the Desire is still one of the greatest phones ever made (if not THE). This issue still stands between me and it, even though it can barely be noticed in everyday use.
Korntoff, trust me when I say I'm not trying to be rude, although it may come across that way (the internet isn't good at the subtle and nuanced art of conversation) but don't you think it's the height of arrogance to believe you're the first person to have even considered this? It's the 14th of February. The HTC Desire will have been available for a whole year in just two days and you're asking this as if it hadn't dawned on all of these people for almost a year.
If someone could create a driver that assigns an id to the first and second touch, and tries to, as accurately as possible, track which registered touch is which, even when the movement exceeds the refresh rate of the screen/sensor, and reads 2 individual touches when they are close/the axises are close.
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Wow...such a simple solution...why have none of us thought of it!!? C'mon man.
so this will never be fixed?
IIRC, this is a hardware issue rather than a software issue. So I don't think it's possible.
i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
are there some tips to avois this multitouch bug while playing games or typing on the virtual keyboard?
I tried NOVA and it seemed fairly responsive to be honest - there was a recommended control setup for the desire to help prevent the multi-touch issue - and i am sure i read somewhere a tip was to try and make sure the touches don't line up with each other?
yup i saw it... but are all games configurable like nova?
yeahman45 said:
i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
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In The Netherlands we have a 7 day cooling down period after buying something or signing a contract (with most expensive purchases). In those days you can cancel your purchase for free. You should see if something like that applies where you live as well.
thx for the advice but no such thing here... anyway thx for helping.. i got the phone and yes got some issues with the multitouch... guess i will live with it.. apart from that the phone is very good!
i just played crash bandicoot warped on fpse and i mapped the x and o keys on the "search" and "back" physical keys and use the touch dpad... and works pretty good!!! i have reached the first boss level quite easily... if only all android games were that customizable!! would be able to play all the multitouch games properly
My Dad gave me his hd2, and it has the axis sticking issue, but not axis swapping. Less of an issue, but still annoying at times. (Such as playing N.O.V.A (btw, I can't find it on the market, using an apk I downloaded from some site (I hope it was a free app and that this is perfectly legal, but I'm probably wrong.) Is it still on the market? How did you guys find it?) But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?) So it's not that much of a big deal.)
Btw, nexus gingerbread ROM, hence signature.
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Korntoff said:
My Dad gave me his hd2, and it has the axis sticking issue, but not axis swapping. Less of an issue, but still annoying at times. (Such as playing N.O.V.A (btw, I can't find it on the market, using an apk I downloaded from some site (I hope it was a free app and that this is perfectly legal, but I'm probably wrong.) Is it still on the market? How did you guys find it?) But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?) So it's not that much of a big deal.)
Btw, nexus gingerbread ROM, hence signature.
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i thought hd2 had clearpad 2000 like nexus one and desire???
"But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?)"
but still some casual gaming with no bugs wud have been cool..for the price u pay for this kind of phone
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i thought hd2 had clearpad 2000 like nexus one and desire???
"But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?)"
but still some casual gaming with no bugs wud have been cool..for the price u pay for this kind of phone
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Casual gaming is still very possible, just don't expect halo 3 graphics. Does the hd2 have clearpad 2000? Maybe the Desire multitouch isn't such a lost cause.
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i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
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Without sounding rude, it's not an issue or a bug, the bottom line is the desire dosent have multi touch, it has dual touch, the axis flipping is just a downside to that type of touch panel, it's nothing to do with the quality of htc products, as the screen is behaving as it should. so you really should of researched your purchase before you bought it.
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Even though the hd2 has the same touch panel and no axis swapping issue.
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how come hd2 does not have the axis swapping issue although it has the same screen as htc desire and nexus one??
I have the HTC Wildfire S but I am thinking of buying the Desire Z because the screen on my phone is too small to text! The buttons are so small. I have tried the Desire Z and like the physical keyboard. But I'm not sure if it's good enough for fast typing?
But maybe since newer android phones are bigger it would be just as easy to type on an on screen keyboard just as a physical keyboard? They don't make many physical keyboard anyway nowadays. I would like an HTC or Samsung.
So should I get the HTC Desire Z, or get a newer HTC phone with just an on screen keyboard?
How good is the physical keyboard?
How good is the on screen portrait keyboard?
how good is the on screen landscape keyboard?
Thanks
The screen on the Z isn't that much bigger, so I don't know if you'd be able to type any better/faster on the screen than the Wildfire S. But the physical keyboard is very good. Not actually as good as older HTC phones, like the Touch Pro 2. The keys could stand to protrude a bit more, and press down farther. And the lack of dedicated number row is also a step backward. But still very good compared to keyboard from other manufacturers. Typing is definitely faster on the Z's physical keyboard than on the virtual keyboard, and probably rivals or beats virtual keyboards on bigger screened phones.
Have you tried the Swype keyboard on your Wildfire S? I pretty much can't stand typing on-screen without Swype, which makes it more bearable. Get Swype by going to their website and signing up for the beta:
http://beta.swype.com/
As for opinions on whether to buy the Z or not, there is another recent thread, with plenty of responses/opinions for you to consider:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1566749
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The screen on the Z isn't that much bigger, so I don't know if you'd be able to type any better/faster on the screen than the Wildfire S. But the physical keyboard is very good. Not actually as good as older HTC phones, like the Touch Pro 2. The keys could stand to protrude a bit more, and press down farther. And the lack of dedicated number row is also a step backward. But still very good compared to keyboard from other manufacturers. Typing is definitely faster on the Z's physical keyboard than on the virtual keyboard, and probably rivals or beats virtual keyboards on bigger screened phones.
Have you tried the Swype keyboard on your Wildfire S? I pretty much can't stand typing on-screen without Swype, which makes it more bearable. Get Swype by going to their website and signing up for the beta:
http://beta.swype.com/
As for opinions on whether to buy the Z or not, there is another recent thread, with plenty of responses/opinions for you to consider:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1566749
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I have already read that thread. I'm still unsure. It the Desire Z fast? Also, how are the on screen keyboards? Is the an on screen landscape keyboard?
By the way, my Wildfire S does not have Swype
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I have already read that thread. I'm still unsure. It the Desire Z fast? Also, how are the on screen keyboards? Is the an on screen landscape keyboard?
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Define "fast". Its a phone that is about a year and a half old. Its acceptable for most tasks. And with the right ROM and overclocking, it can be made to perform smoother. But its starting to show its age versus the 1.5 GHz multicore flagship phones coming out now. And the One X looks like it may redefine tasks and blow away even the phone currently on the market.
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Also, how are the on screen keyboards? Is the an on screen landscape keyboard?
By the way, my Wildfire S does not have Swype
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Well, I've already mentioned that I have to use Swype, otherwise screen keyboards drive me crazy. And I'm on CM7 right now, so I can't tell you much about the stock Sense screen keyboard. It works well enough, from the times I've used it. But I tend to make lots of typos on this size screen.
If you mean that the Wildfire S is not supported by the Swype beta, then there are plenty of similar apps available. Or more recent HTC firmware (and custom ROMs) contains HTC Trace, which is their Swype clone.
You have 2 choices get a galaxy nexus or wait it out til HTC announces a qwerty device whenever that may be.
Vision is really fun to upgrade it and change roms and the other things... Its fun to wait for those fully working ICS roms, to dream about stable sense 4.0 roms, flash kernels, radios, mods... If I would buy a Nexus, it wouldnt be such a great experience. I would just download some apps and maybe root it...
Anyway Im very satisfied with Vision and I will change it only, when it gets really weak behind the newest devices. Kinda like wildfire now... Not the wildfire S
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Physical keyboard is for me very good, no typo errors when typing, big enough. And with beta.swpe.com I use, it is for me sufficiently good combination for daily drive.
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You have 2 choices get a galaxy nexus or wait it out til HTC announces a qwerty device whenever that may be.
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Why do you say there are only 2 choices? The HTC One X looks to blow away the Galaxy Nexus in terms of CPU speed, and will be released in most markets in April/May.. And the Galaxy S3 is probably going to be announced/unveiled at some point in the next few months. And that is if you are recommending the absolute top performing phones. There are plenty of other existing phones on the market that would also meet the OP's needs.
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Why do you say there are only 2 choices? The HTC One X looks to blow away the Galaxy Nexus in terms of CPU speed, and will be released in most markets in April/May.. And the Galaxy S3 is probably going to be announced/unveiled at some point in the next few months. And that is if you are recommending the absolute top performing phones. There are plenty of other existing phones on the market that would also meet the OP's needs.
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I'm also on a bit of a budget. In Canada (where I live), Bell does not longer sell the Derise Z. I found one being sold online for $200 in my area. I will either buy the Desire Z or get something like the HTC One X once my contract is up in 2 years. Also, I was looking at the Samsung Captivate Glide as a very good up to date phone with a physical keyboard.
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Why do you say there are only 2 choices? The HTC One X looks to blow away the Galaxy Nexus in terms of CPU speed, and will be released in most markets in April/May.. And the Galaxy S3 is probably going to be announced/unveiled at some point in the next few months. And that is if you are recommending the absolute top performing phones. There are plenty of other existing phones on the market that would also meet the OP's needs.
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Reason I said that is because One X comes with sense preinstalled, Our vision devices did not.
For me I think if u r going to mainly use the phone to send emails, sms .... Desire z is the best choice to go with. If ur focus is on browsing, games,music I think u should go with a newer version like htc one
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I love my g2. It's much easier to send thoughtful emails/texts than any other phone out there. The hercules is the obvious replacement phone at the moment, though.Rocking em both.
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TehHector said:
For me I think if u r going to mainly use the phone to send emails, sms .... Desire z is the best choice to go with. If ur focus is on browsing, games,music I think u should go with a newer version like htc one
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My main use is for sending emails and SMS.
Buy it if you like to type much and in a comfortable way
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Reason I said that is because One X comes with sense preinstalled, Our vision devices did not.
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As your Vision didn't come with Sense: did you buy it as a G2? I've read that they just feature the stock Android interface. Anyways, my Desire Z had Sense preinstalled.
To answer the OP's questions:
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So should I get the HTC Desire Z, or get a newer HTC phone with just an on screen keyboard?
How good is the physical keyboard?
How good is the on screen portrait keyboard?
how good is the on screen landscape keyboard?
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1st question: The only on-screen keyboard I can imagine to reach half the typing comfort of the Desire Z's physical keyboard is the Galaxy Note's one. But to lead to the
2nd question: The physical keyboard is quite comfortable and the keys are perfectly arranged for my (medium sized) hands.
3rd question: If you mean the Desire Z's on-screen keyboard - install a different one! The stock Sense keyboard is quite slow compared to the stock Android one. I also prefer Swype for daily use but the Sense one is definitely not optimal. If it comes to typing comfort itself - the on-screen keyboard is good for one-hand typing if you really have to or are just too lazy to "slide" out the physical keyboard.
4th question: If you mean the Desire Z's on-screen keyboard - one-hand typing -> portrait on-screen keyboard | two-hand typing -> physical keyboard (no need to use a landscape on-screen keyboard )
As much as I love my Desire Z, I can definitely tell it's getting dated.
If possible, I would suggest you find a phone with perhaps a bigger screen (for your typing/texting needs) and with a newer processor. With some more intensive tasks or games, the desire Z definitely shows its age.
Although, I understand that you have a budget, and if you cannot find something dual core, you are probably very well off with a Desire Z.
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With some more intensive tasks or games, the desire Z definitely shows its age.
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That's true but
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My main use is for sending emails and SMS.
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So I think that the OP will not have much of a problem with performance
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The keyboard is very easy to use. I have my phone ever since it first came out in the US. I have used the phone so much I can text with it without looking at the keyboard.
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As your Vision didn't come with Sense: did you buy it as a G2? I've read that they just feature the stock Android interface. Anyways, my Desire Z had Sense preinstalled.
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I did, In the U.S our Vision devices are stock android.
The HTC One X looks very nice and I can imagine that it will be touting a hefty price tag when available. I currently have a G2 which I am very pleased with, for the most part. Typing emails and text is very fluid and fast but I am asking for more (especially for browsing and gaming).
I guess I need to start saving my pennies.