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When will 4.0.3 start rolling out?

Did google say anything about 4.0.3 for the nexus?

From what I've heard, it was supposed to start rolling out already, Google found some quirks or bugs so they decided to pull it back. I'm sure we'll start to see it within a week or two.

cvbcbcmv said:
It rolls out when you decide to get your ass off of stock!
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Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.

brian85 said:
Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.
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I disagree.

brian85 said:
Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.
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I feel the same way. Caused me nothing but small heart attacks when I was flashing a rom and I thought I was bricking my phone.
Although I say that now but when I get my phone ill probably end up modding it lol

donlad said:
I disagree.
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I've owned 10+ android phones in 3 years. Modding them/putting on different roms/etc would have its benefits, but in the end it just caused nothing but issues (either major or annoying minor ones).
And when I put the phone completely back to stock, it just never ran as good as it did when it really was stock before I started modding.

brian85 said:
I've owned 10+ android phones in 3 years. Modding them/putting on different roms/etc would have its benefits, but in the end it just caused nothing but issues (either major or annoying minor ones).
And when I put the phone completely back to stock, it just never ran as good as it did when it really was stock before I started modding.
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im in the same boat and totaly agree! give me root and CWM and im set... chasing the perfect rom is just that, a chase, and it goes on forever.. nothing worng with the chase, but its not for me anymore.

brian85 said:
Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.
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+1 we all deserve timely updates here
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triStateMindgate said:
From what I've heard, it was supposed to start rolling out already, Google found some quirks or bugs so they decided to pull it back. I'm sure we'll start to see it within a week or two.
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That was in reference to the rollout OTA for the GSM Nexus S. It wasn't halted as much as they're doing a staggered rollout to catch bugs etc. and gauge reactions.

brian85 said:
Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.
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+1 Learnt the lesson from the developer tablet, the Xoom. Rooted it expecting great advantages and then discovered rooted Xooms couldn't rent movies, no longer got ota updates (but still got the annoying update messages)....
I flashed my HTC because they didn't have the gingerbread update for the Desire z for months and to get rid of sense. Flashed my Samsung SG2 to get rid of touchwiz.
But don't see any reason to mess with Google's best efforts - particularly with Wallet and the like being a big part of this phone's future (the thought of some stranger having complete control over my system when using my phone to pay for things worries me).
Still no update in Australia. Still on 4.0.1 and my phone is the Google direct version.
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brian85 said:
Done "modding" my android phones. Causes nothing but issues.
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+1
why buy a phone just to make it unstable and crash. * i got laughed at by iphone friends*

Informed modding enhances the functionality and experience of using the device.

wardo5757 said:
im in the same boat and totaly agree! give me root and CWM and im set... chasing the perfect rom is just that, a chase, and it goes on forever.. nothing worng with the chase, but its not for me anymore.
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The chase stops when you stop looking for a ROM with all the features you want and make your own.

I think it depends a lot on how much you are willing to mod for example, when I went and upgraded to 4.0.2 my radio updated as well which made my GPS useless so I modded and downgraded my radio back and I have never been happier.
And once voodoo mod makes its way to the galaxy nexus I don't think it would be easy just letting it slip by...
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Chirality said:
The chase stops when you stop looking for a ROM with all the features you want and make your own.
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So now you have to buy a phone and make your own software on top of it ?
I liked to flash mods on my Nexus One, it was fun, I found the CyanogenMod pretty good for me. But I did not root my Galaxy Nexus yet and I don't really feel the need to, except to get the official updates.
I think that as soon as Google released the 4.0.3 source code, they should have released the OTA for the Galaxy Nexus as well as the Nexus S. I compiled the official 4.0.3 from the source, but I can't flash it because I did not root my device. I find this a bit strange.

ErGo_404 said:
So now you have to buy a phone and make your own software on top of it ?
I liked to flash mods on my Nexus One, it was fun, I found the CyanogenMod pretty good for me. But I did not root my Galaxy Nexus yet and I don't really feel the need to, except to get the official updates.
I think that as soon as Google released the 4.0.3 source code, they should have released the OTA for the Galaxy Nexus as well as the Nexus S. I compiled the official 4.0.3 from the source, but I can't flash it because I did not root my device. I find this a bit strange.
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You don't need to be rooted to "flash" what you built. Just fastboot oem unlock to unlock your bootloader and fastboot flash the images.

irishrally said:
Informed modding enhances the functionality and experience of using the device.
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Most definitely, but for now I'm back to stock;
Woke up this morning to find my phone bootlooping, I tried everything to rectify the problem, 2 slice of toast and a mug of tea later I had to resort to a factory image reflash at a cost of losing all of my data

wardo5757 said:
im in the same boat and totaly agree! give me root and CWM and im set... chasing the perfect rom is just that, a chase, and it goes on forever.. nothing worng with the chase, but its not for me anymore.
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Gotta love the chase! Especially with women....

martonikaj said:
That was in reference to the rollout OTA for the GSM Nexus S. It wasn't halted as much as they're doing a staggered rollout to catch bugs etc. and gauge reactions.
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I thought they postponed it for Nexus S because of high battery power consumption by Android OS process. Anyway, I too was wondering when it's going to pop up for us. Any more info on the matter ?

naerok said:
You don't need to be rooted to "flash" what you built. Just fastboot oem unlock to unlock your bootloader and fastboot flash the images.
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You're right. But rooting is not the real problem for me. My problem is unlocking and reseting the phone. I don't want to loose all my data (including game saves !) but the only way I can save them is ... to be root. I will do it eventually, but it still bothers me

How many people are waiting?

I was among the many who downloaded (immediately) the OTA, but amidst the frenzy, I ended up removing the update zip and I froze the Samsung/Google update process applications because I was wasn't willing to risk the inevitable compatability issues that arise on a new OS. I'm curious, though--how many others are wading the storm until development catches up? As it stands, this is the best phone I've ever had and I can't imagine risking functionality for the sake of being on the latest OS.
Also, when do you expect development catch up to provide a viable root method that doesn't trip knox, among other things? My guess is about 30 days.
Any thoughts?
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rhetorician said:
I was among the many who downloaded (immediately) the OTA, but amidst the frenzy, I ended up removing the update zip and I froze the Samsung/Google update process applications because I was wasn't willing to risk the inevitable compatability issues that arise on a new OS. I'm curious, though--how many others are wading the storm until development catches up? As it stands, this is the best phone I've ever had and I can't imagine risking functionality for the sake of being on the latest OS.
Also, when do you expect development catch up to provide a viable root method that doesn't trip knox, among other things? My guess is about 30 days.
Any thoughts?
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I am waiting almost indefinitely. Every now and then i restore back to stock just to make sure I'm not missing out on anything. 4K video recording? Pffft, whatever. rapid-shot? samesies. I have an 18MP DSLR that can do all of those things much better if it's that important to me. Sure, I don't always have it in my pocket, but, compared to the professional grade those features don't even qualify as also-ran to me.
can't really think of a single thing that I miss from stock.
I got this phone the second my Jump was ready and I saw CM nightlies. Been on KK for a while now.
Now, if I were a fan of TW? I'd still sit tight and ride it out. There is nothing on KK that is all that amazing compared to JB. In fact, there are quite a few deficits.
On older versions of Android (I started out on Cupcake...guh) while I was still of the "don't take OTAs unless you want to risk your phone getting stuck on the new version or locked up tight" train...and this was before that ever started happening....and back then it was hard as hell because every update added _TONS_ of functionality and improved _TONS_ of things....I can't even describe how hard it was to delay OTAs back then. Nowadays we get evolution, not revolution, from every update. Tiny incremental stuff.
I'd say sit tight and wait it out, you aren't really missing anything.
...though when the ART (Android Runtime) replaces Dalvik, officially, on stock ROMs? That'll be the next big thing that would even get me considering just doing the damned update. I've got ART running and it is awesome. It's pretty much unnoticeable at first, especially if you go looking for the massive improvement. Then over the course of using your phone for a couple days you just start realizing "holy crap, that was fast"...but only over tiny little speed improvements....all over the damned place. It smooths out Android in ways I can't even describe (and that you can't even notice if you go looking for it).
Again, be patient. Just keep in the back of your mind that you never ever know if this next OTA is the one that locks down your bootloader. Sure, this one might be safe...maybe even the next one...hell, maybe all of them. But what if the next one is the one that finally does it? Not worth it. Your phone is awesome out of the box.

I rooted both my Note 3's just to keep from getting the update. So far I am seeing lots of people complain about different issues so I am glad I did. Overall it doesn't seem like the couple of positive changes are worth the risk. I still haven't seen a straight answer on if the bootloader is actually locked or not. This is the first phone I have had that has an unlocked bootloader so I have never really looked into the difference between locked and unlocked.

chipworkz said:
I rooted both my Note 3's just to keep from getting the update. So far I am seeing lots of people complain about different issues so I am glad I did. Overall it doesn't seem like the couple of positive changes are worth the risk. I still haven't seen a straight answer on if the bootloader is actually locked or not. This is the first phone I have had that has an unlocked bootloader so I have never really looked into the difference between locked and unlocked.
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I haven't really looked into it, but, I have been on phones (or have been helping out buddies with their phones) when an update locked a previously unlocked bootloader. The forums would be a ****-show. So I feel pretty confident that this did not lock down the bootloader to prevent custom kernels and/or recoveries...those are the deal-breakers. However, you cannot roll back to 4.3 after taking this official update, so far as I understand it. It's pretty standard stuff in this day and age.
That's another reason not to take it.

I didn't update right away. I waited a couple of days until a proven root method was out. Once that came out I went for it. I'm glad I did. I was already rooted before, and tripped KNOX, so that didn't bother me. 4.3 was great, and I didn't think this phone could get much better, but after a couple of days on 4.4.2 I'm seeing some good improvements. Better battery life, less resources used, smoother overall. I'm really liking it. Plus the GEL works great. Even the hot word detection works like on Nexus devices. I know a huge issue with 4.4.2 is the SD card not having write access, but I flashed the fix, so all works like it did on 4.3. Overall a really nice update. At least for me.

I agree with daneurysm, if your happy on 4.3 jellybean there's no need to rush and flash 4.4.2 just because it's available and adds a few new features (none that I see are must have). It is always best to wait it out a bit and let the devs do their hard work on these firmware updates to provide us with a truly impressive updated rom that we can flash safely, as long as your willing to follow their directions in doing so.
I had no temptation taking the OTA or Odin to downgrade to official 4.4.2, it seems to me the update took away more vital features than it was providing. Which again is why one should wait for their favorite devs to create their masterpieces out of the official releases, and tweak/fix any mishaps that were left in official kitkat firmware so we the people can have truly great running roms for our devices.
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So, we're about a month into the update and I'm curious how many have remained idle while the folks fine tune the kitkat experience. I'm still very pleased with the functionality of my device and aside from weak LTE signal, I have no complaints.
I am hence compelled to ask again--is it worth updating yet? Or do cons continue to outweigh the pros?
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rhetorician said:
So, we're about a month into the update and I'm curious how many have remained idle while the folks fine tune the kitkat experience. I'm still very pleased with the functionality of my device and aside from weak LTE signal, I have no complaints.
I am hence compelled to ask again--is it worth updating yet? Or do cons continue to outweigh the pros?
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I just saw there's a way to root 4.4.2 without tripping knox if you're on a rooted 4.3, so I'm going to give that a go tonight. I'll post back with my thoughts.
Good things come to those who wait!

I wouldn't update if I had to do it again. My phone is bootlooped and completely unfixable at the moment after installing the OTA update on a bone stock non rooted phone. Can't get into recovery, can't downgrade, can't do anything except reflash the stock 4.4 rom which never boots.
There are tons of complaints on the TMO customer support forums citing poor battery life and loss of certain functions. This could turn your phone into a paperweight. Not worth it.

drathian1 said:
I just saw there's a way to root 4.4.2 without tripping knox if you're on a rooted 4.3, so I'm going to give that a go tonight. I'll post back with my thoughts.
Good things come to those who wait!
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Are you sure? I noticed that kingo updated their site with an exploit that--if I'm not mistaken--roots without tripping knox.
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Honestly, Anyone that takes an ota is a noob. Anyone that is It's all you ever hear when an ota hits that there is nothing but issuesused to android knows never take an ota until it's deemed safe to reroot. It's all you ever hear when an ota hits that there is nothing but issues. I never take Ota's as a general rule. Always wait for the ok to take an update, and even then sometimes it's never ok depending on the issues.

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Are you sure? I noticed that kingo updated their site with an exploit that--if I'm not mistaken--roots without tripping knox.
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It just worked for me. I'm rooted on 4.4.2 with knox 0x0.
Time to put it through the ringer!
This was my method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51766687&postcount=73

After some temptation to check out one of the growing number of ROMS in the dev forum, but am glad that I decided stick with Tweaked on 4.3. Probably won't update until Tweaked KK drops which doesn't sound like something that's going to be happening for quite a while.
How's that saying go?... "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it with a weak-ass update."

5.1 Update and s-off

The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?

guitarist5122 said:
The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Harmless unless you want to meet up the next time I drive down to Delaware.

There is no sense in waiting on an update for a root exploit that may or may not ever come. S-Off already works on 5.1 but Verizon users are still waiting for a root exploit as before. Odds are you could be waiting a long time. Might as well enjoy the new software while you wait.

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The official 5.1 update is on it's way from Verizon next week. For those of us waiting patiently for jcase to release an s-off method, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid updating? I can only imagine the hboot will get an update with this 5.1 update. With that, it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
Am I wrong to think this?
Is it harmless to take the update?
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Plenty of helpful members with Java Cards to get you S-Off now. Best if you can find someone in your area to meet with to avoid shipping the device.
Went that route a couple of months ago and been happily flashing custom Rom goodness ever since.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247

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...it will probably undo all the work jcase has done up to this point.
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There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !

hallstevenson said:
There's nothing (public) to undo. Unless by chance jcase discovered an exploit and HTC found it as well and fixed it....
It's starting to appear that many of these folks who can figure this sh*t out are losing interest in working on devices from Verizon and other carriers who go to extreme lengths to lock them down. I mean, my previous phone was a Galaxy S3 and Samsung / VZW locked them down tight. The S4 uses presumably the same security (my wife had one so I was a little up to speed on them). I haven't bothered checking the S5 or S6 but I'm confident they're not exploitable either.... Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those folks if they're no longer trying. That's 150% their decision and choice !
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Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.

andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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So going forward, after our edge programs are eligible etc etc, what is the best alternative to have an unlocked bootloader and root even be an option without extreme measures? Pay off the edge program and go to T-Mobile and HTC? That way the bootloader can be unlocked from HTC? I'm very thankful to have my M9 rooted and unlocked but thinking ahead, what's the best course of action? Thoughts?

andybones said:
Surprisingly the SG6 is able to flash ROMs. no bootloader unlock, but still surprising considering how hard SG3/4 was locked down when I was on them.
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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
Looks like it's not Safestrap after all. I'm quickly scanning but don't see much details yet. I do see quite a few ROMs available though !

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Is it the same as can be done on the S3 with a locked bootloader ? I'd have to go back to that forum to get the name as I don't remember it.... Safestrap ?
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I hated SS.
I'm not exactly sure how it's done I just have a buddy on SG6 on VZW and loves it, being able to mke ROM.
I do know it isn't SS
"ping pong root"
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I hated SS.
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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.

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Never had to deal with it.... I rooted mine the same day I rec'd it ! Same with my previous phones - all rooted in less than (2) days. Well, except for my HTC Eris. That one took a couple of months after I got it before jcase came up with an exploit.
I had scott123 "free" my M9 the day after I rec'd it.
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only reason i had to use SS was cos my dad got a new phone and gave me his old sg3, and at this point it had 4.4.4 so bootloader couldnt be unlocked anymore and had to use SS, it was horrible imo

No update for Android 7 available

Hi, I purchased this phone about a week ago and have loved it so far. I saw that Android 7 came out a day ago but when I search for updates I get the message that my device is up to date even though it's on 6.0.1. I have not rooted my phone yet (or even unlocked my bootloader), in short I have not messed with my phone yet, it's as it was when it came from the box (except for the OTAs installed).
All I can think the reason for this may be my region since I live in Pakistan. With my previous phone, I used to get the OTAs on time but this is my first nexus phone and I'm a bit disappointed that I'm not getting the update as soon as it is rolled out if that really is the case. Also, does anyone have an idea when I'll get my update?

this is called a staged rollout. it is to ensure the stability of the update servers as well as to grant google a chance to put an update on hold and safe the majority of the trouble, should critical errors come to light during the early phase of a rollout

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this is called a staged rollout. it is to ensure the stability of the update servers as well as to grant google a chance to put an update on hold and safe the majority of the trouble, should critical errors come to light during the early phase of a rollout
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Oh, so how long should it take given the staged rollout goes well.

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Oh, so how long should it take given the staged rollout goes well.
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i believe up to two wrrks, but don't quote me on that. you could always make use of the beta-program to skip the line as i did. just look through some recent threads here or over at androidpolice

Hadisultan said:
Hi, I purchased this phone about a week ago and have loved it so far. I saw that Android 7 came out a day ago but when I search for updates I get the message that my device is up to date even though it's on 6.0.1. I have not rooted my phone yet (or even unlocked my bootloader), in short I have not messed with my phone yet, it's as it was when it came from the box (except for the OTAs installed).
All I can think the reason for this may be my region since I live in Pakistan. With my previous phone, I used to get the OTAs on time but this is my first nexus phone and I'm a bit disappointed that I'm not getting the update as soon as it is rolled out if that really is the case. Also, does anyone have an idea when I'll get my update?
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You will get OTA update in first 2 weeks of the month, I always get about 15th day in the month, so don't worry.
How mate said, you can use android beta program, just you will get final update and after upgrade just leave android beta program
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Android Nougat OTA update never received

Hi guys & gals,
I have a stock, unrooted, bootloader locked LG Nexus 5X, which can't find the OTA update to Android Nougat.
I wanted to give it some time, because I thought maybe the 5X updates came later, but it's been quite a few days already and I've read that most people have received their OTA updates already.
Do you have any idea what the problem could be? I check my system of updates a couple of times per day, but nothing, it keeps telling me it's up-to-date.
Could it be possible that the update will not come for weeks after the release?
Thanks!

I gave up waiting just enrolled in beta updated N then un enrolled from beta all good
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Instead of enrolling in beta, I flashed with factory image after cleaning it i.e. factory reset.
So far, it's buttery smooth.
I hate waiting for OTA. I hope Google will change it to something smoother like getting it immediately as Apple is doing for years. Apple provides OTA updates almost instantly to millions on devices. How many Nexus devices are there...?

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. The whole promise that Nexus devices would get the first updates went out of the window pretty fast.
My wife's got a Android One, which was upgraded to Android 7 over a week ago.
Well, I'll think about whether I'll upgrade manually or not. I don't like backing up without Titanium.

jordylicht said:
Hi guys & gals,
I have a stock, unrooted, bootloader locked LG Nexus 5X, which can't find the OTA update to Android Nougat.
I wanted to give it some time, because I thought maybe the 5X updates came later, but it's been quite a few days already and I've read that most people have received their OTA updates already.
Do you have any idea what the problem could be? I check my system of updates a couple of times per day, but nothing, it keeps telling me it's up-to-date.
Could it be possible that the update will not come for weeks after the release?
Thanks!
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there is absolutely no problem apart from this being a nuisance for the imaptient. checking for updates more than once a day (which the system does automatically) does absolutely nothing to your position in the rollout-queue and since google sticks to their staged rollout policy, it is indeed not unlikely for a nexus to not officially receive an OTA until two or three weeks have past (unsure about the specifics).
shufal said:
I hate waiting for OTA. I hope Google will change it to something smoother like getting it immediately as Apple is doing for years. Apple provides OTA updates almost instantly to millions on devices. How many Nexus devices are there...?
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sure, impatiently waiting for an update to reach one can be nerve wrecking. staged rollouts as google is practicing them are, besides other reasons, to ensure critical bugs that may have slipped through don't mess with every unit out there at once. it's not like google wouldn't have the bandwidth to provide the updates to every nexus at the same time.
you should also consider, that apple has not only full control over the hardware of their limited lineup of devices, but also is the only one working on their code, which is quite different to the way android is handled.
jordylicht said:
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. The whole promise that Nexus devices would get the first updates went out of the window pretty fast.
My wife's got a Android One, which was upgraded to Android 7 over a week ago.
Well, I'll think about whether I'll upgrade manually or not. I don't like backing up without Titanium.
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the update is out since the day N was officially released, no promise broken. it's simply not your turn yet to receive it automatically. android one devices, in terms of updates, work exactly like nexus devices afaik, so nothing to worry about when one gets the OTA earlier than a nexus. fortunately google made it quite simple this time to skip the line by enrolling in the beta program for a few minutes.

Broken303 said:
there is absolutely no problem apart from this being a nuisance for the imaptient. checking for updates more than once a day (which the system does automatically) does absolutely nothing to your position in the rollout-queue and since google sticks to their staged rollout policy, it is indeed not unlikely for a nexus to not officially receive an OTA until two or three weeks have past (unsure about the specifics).
sure, impatiently waiting for an update to reach one can be nerve wrecking. staged rollouts as google is practicing them are, besides other reasons, to ensure critical bugs that may have slipped through don't mess with every unit out there at once. it's not like google wouldn't have the bandwidth to provide the updates to every nexus at the same time.
you should also consider, that apple has not only full control over the hardware of their limited lineup of devices, but also is the only one working on their code, which is quite different to the way android is handled.
the update is out since the day N was officially released, no promise broken. it's simply not your turn yet to receive it automatically. android one devices, in terms of updates, work exactly like nexus devices afaik, so nothing to worry about when one gets the OTA earlier than a nexus. fortunately google made it quite simple this time to skip the line by enrolling in the beta program for a few minutes.
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Who else work on 'Stock Android' besides Google? Samsung? LG? You are bull****ting when you say 'which is quite different to the way android is handled' when we are talking about Google releasing OTA for its own 'Nexus'.
By the way, I am tired of hearing Google ensuring critical bugs may slip through OTA but in reality that never happened. And even if OTA brings any bug, Google always fix it in the next schedule which sometimes took 6< months..
I love Nexus (already hating the branding of Pixel) and I will complain whatever I think Google has the ability to fix.

shufal said:
I hate waiting for OTA. I hope Google will change it to something smoother like getting it immediately as Apple is doing for years. Apple provides OTA updates almost instantly to millions on devices. How many Nexus devices are there...?
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Those who want it immediately have a path to get it immediately. There was some friction over needing to unlock bootloader to get it immediately in the past because of the factory images, but now with the full (rather than differential) OTAs they provide, you no longer need to have unlocked bootloader.
So your complaint now boils down not to Google providing it immediately but how convenient their "immediate" format is.
IMO most people who want it immediately can be satisfied with the full OTA or factory image. A very small number of people that want it immediately won't be able to use one of those 2 methods and will just wait their turn.
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jordylicht said:
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. The whole promise that Nexus devices would get the first updates went out of the window pretty fast.
My wife's got a Android One, which was upgraded to Android 7 over a week ago.
Well, I'll think about whether I'll upgrade manually or not. I don't like backing up without Titanium.
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Your Nexus 5x was among the first to have Android N available. You could have manually downloaded the full OTA or factory image if you wanted.
The "backup" complaint you have is a red-herring. You don't need to back up if you use the manual methods. The FULL (vs differential) OTA doesn't erase data and the factory image can be made not to erase data by removing one flag from the batch file. Now you might want to backup before the update installs, just to be safe, but that holds even for the differential OTA you get over the air, so it has nothing to do with manually downloading an update.
The scheduling of your automatic download is a separate issue. Nexus has always randomly scheduled downloads. It can take up to 3-4 weeks for everyone to see the update.
I'm sure you will agree that there is a big difference between having Android N available but not being scheduled to download it yet vs other platforms which may not make Android N available at all or won't have it available to download for *anybody* months after it was released.
Google is saying your phone will have the software available, not that their scheduler will have your phone download the update immediately upon availability. They however give you a method to download it immediately if you want to.

Do scheduled OTA update happen on weekends and holidays?
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agouracaguy said:
Do scheduled OTA update happen on weekends and holidays?
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Yes, algorithm does some undefined random selection process. It doesn't care about weekends or holidays and there is no human involved that might care.