Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Being worked on, I reckon. https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/154019
Thanks for your reply
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If you build the rom it's simple you have to add export WITH_SU=true to your envsetup.sh
I'd love to, but I don't know how to
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Relax, it's there (sort of)
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.
nezlek said:
** "Root will be a downloadable zip based install similar to gapps installation (only need to flash it once)." **
The zip root package will probably be up shortly after all the initial builds get loaded.
If folks were willing to wait a month for the ROM, waiting a day or two more to root it doesn't seem unreasonable. Besides, if you are using things such as Google Pay, first, via con Dios, and second, it usually won't work on a rooted device anyway. About the only thing I would REALLY miss with an un-rooted Lineage OS build would be the use of Titanium Backup, but since it takes about 3 minutes for TWRP to do a Nandroid of the whole thing it is a tradeoff that I for one would be willing to live with.
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not on my s3. lol.
OK, maybe not THREE minutes
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:
nezlek said:
Sal82,
Well, OK. Four? Five? Even my most loaded device takes not much more than five. Guess I'm a lightweight user after all. In the worst case I'll start the backup before going to sleep. Surely it would be done in time for breakfast. :cyclops:
(laughter is always better when it is shared)
I am just amazed at the number of folks seemingly lining up to say "build for me" as opposed to those asking how they can contribute, as well as the folks bristling at the notion that the builds will not be delivered with the features they want. Poor babies. Life is tough, and them that wants for free have a certain level of audacity in thinking they can dictate terms to a very hard working group of people who are busting their butts to get this thing moving, and not charging a red cent for all of their hard work. The malcontents could always just download the not yet built source versions, add the root capability - there ARE instructions after all - build the ROM from scratch and have what they want. Personally, I'm not THAT good at doing certain things yet, so I am willing to wait patiently and offer what services I CAN perform to support the effort. The old CM builds rescued two devices for me - one from pretty much dead brick useless and the other from a vendor who thought all my private data should go to a server in China without my consent, so I'm just plain appreciative :good:
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more like 15-20 minutes. but i'm not complaining. i have an abundance of patience. you have to be patient when dealing with older devices.
and i also agree with you. your wife/girlfriend won't cheat on you(with me ) if you need to flash another zip to gain root access.
i'm PATIENTLY waiting for the zip file.
We can root with phhs superuser
ludwiglaisne said:
Hello, between 20170114 and 20170117 version, I lost root and don't know what to do.
I tried with supersu, with recovery zip file, but nothing solved.
I reinstalled (dirt way too) 20170114 and root is here again.
Sm-n9005 (hlte Samsung note 3 international), crister12's work
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Flash magisk v10.2
This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!
goodflood said:
This root business was handled badly... users are upset, other developers are upset. I am not going to give my analysis unless specifically asked.
However, I have a few questions regarding this, and I hope someone can kindly answer them.
So, I am on d2att (Samsung Galaxy S3 - ATT) with LOS 14.1 and gapps
I flashed experimental build, rebooted, then, flashed the only LOS build for my device so far. I lost root.
I flashed supersu from here: https://download.chainfire.eu/1021/SuperSU/SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR3-20170114223742.zip. Of course, it did not work. I uninstalled it.
There is some whoha about Chainfire selling SuperSu to CCMT: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/54xdmp/ccmt_who_exactly_are_the_owners_of_supersu/ So, now I could have untrustworthy files/access to my device, right? What do I do now -- Wipe clean and use ODIN to flash a clean ROM?
And that ROM would be to either go back to CM13 (last release) or build my own LOS ROM (with SU), right?
Now, I am hunting for root access (I don't know enough) Phh's SU on f-droid, Okay... what do I need to do? Some one posted instructions on reddit not to delete dalvik-cache after installing Phh's SU or do other things as they are risky... at this point, I don't know enough and not sure where to look. All in all, as I said before, root business was handled badly!
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I am not getting how this was "handled badly". You have to flash an extra zip file ONCE.
Must have missed the memos
Handled badly? PUH...leeze.
I have lost track of the number of: "this is done totally at your own risk" notifications that appear on this web site.
ALL of the root-related issues have been SO CLEARLY SPELLED OUT on the Lineage web site that even a total klutz like me figured it out.
Perhaps some folks feel the Lineage builds aren't worth what they are paying for them? No, that won't make sense, either.
Of course, we can always ASSUME someone made a complete Nandroid backup of their device before flashing the new ROM so that they can return to their previous configuration within minutes of deciding there was anything about the new ROM they didn't like, right ??
And since the first Lineage builds are pretty much the last CM builds with not much more than the logo stuff re-done, I am going to have to think for quite a while about the definition of "badly." Way too many people are expending a whole lot of effort at no expense to any of us to make this happen. GRATITUDE seems like a more appropriate response.
I must have missed the memos.
Root binaries are up...
http://download.lineageos.org/extras
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@jhedfors
flashing once... yes, thank you!
handled badly... besides the order in which rootless ROMs came out and root-zip came out, there was still a bit of chatter on their Gerrit from other developers, not necessarily back and forth but explanations into the big root change. Developers had to find work-arounds and adapt. For users, granted, they said build your own with SU, which I not up to yet, or wait for root/zip,... there are all levels of users and developers!
It is only a few days, but if they were still deciding... 1 week 2 weeks! I do understand the reasoning for why and agree with you, but they could have communicated this "big change" a little more so everyone involved would would have been better prepared!
@nezlek
missed the memo... LOL
but, memoS... is it metioned more than once... where?
so clearly spelled out... I totally disagree!
klutz... me I guess I am the king of klutz, with no one greater!
paying for them...? Perhaps the choice should have been clearer, so users know what they are "buying"... then they have a choice... stay on CM (with December security update) build your own or even do nothing.
Nandroid... yes, thank you... that would have done it. I am getting more organized with different tools... Appeater, bulk install and whatever else! I am definitely motivated to try building now!
Yes, LOS not much more than CM builds than a redone logo... AND ROOT REMOVED! See caps effect... highlight, stupid flashing things... rootless ROM paragraph (or a whole post) in itself, ROM file names with --noroot.zip would have all help. This is a big change; publicity would have been good. A post on its own, a better, sequence of events, etc. would have helped. For a definition of badly, see my response to @jhedfors above!
Grateful... I am! Having done some work myself, I know it takes a lot more than what I am capable of. Spoilt is more like it... never had to worry about root or look elsewhere or at other solutions!
At the end, as you say "...at your own risk" - no one made me do it, and my over sight is my FAULT!
@alexiuss
Again, thanks
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First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.
Me too... glad things are under control... as I know what I am doing I was being naive hoping that small bugs for my device got fixed so soon... again like you said... backup
Nandroid... I was using onandroid with nandroid manager, then, stopped as I went from CM 12 to 13 to 14 without problems. Did not even have to consider wiping anything (really spoilt or taking risks)! I need to look at the updated files/apps and TWRP based backup... always a good idea to have a backup especially if I/you are going to touch something that is a daily driver.
Cyanogenmod was going fine (I guess) before CM Inc. But, yes, I agree about sustainability and their business plan. Donations out of the goodness of the hearts of some people is helping for now.
If things go bad (some devices loose support) then hopefully there is someone who mods and builds for self and provides the file to others. Or, we'll be at the mercy of OEMs. Honesty, google devices might start looking good from "getting updates often" perspective. Or, stick to the legacy devices and hope nothing bad happens.
Yes, they could have held back all releases or at least until the root files were available. I agree... I am sure they wanted to push at least something "out the door" as soon as they could.
LOS is a different operation, yes... from when CM was under CM Inc. and although they returned to their roots, perhaps will be different from before... who knows! It is good to be cautious and ready, just in further shake ups happen... no guarantee of anything! Good to keep our head up!
nezlek said:
First, (seriously) glad you finally got everything under control. That IS, after all, why we all are here.
Second, ditto on the Nandroid thing. My personal attempts at development often result in "damned glad I had this" far too often for someone with more expertise than yours truly. I barely turn a device on any more without a reasonably current TWRP based backup of the whole thing. Clearly it is the reason God made SD cards, in my humble opinion.
Your observation about being perhaps somewhat "spoiled" is well made. We all have been spoiled to a very large extent. Cyanogen was a well funded operation from the get go and managed to burn through MILLIONS in venture capital backing from all accounts. Frankly, I am not sure how they shall survive going forward since I think their new business model is inherently flawed, but "esta no mi problem, amigo."
Lineage is certainly at this moment a different type of operation. SOMEONE is eventually going to be paying the bills, and it might have made - in perfect hindsight - sense to hold back all of the releases until they were all completely ready to go, but I suspect the approval rating for the "as they are ready" mode is pretty high.
Folks need to sit back and enjoy the eventual ride. Especially those of us - SELF INCLUDED - who are fortunate enough to either have or will be able to soon expect our builds to be loaded up.
There's an old piece of Polish folk wisdom that applies pretty well in this case: "it will all heal by the wedding day."
Peace.
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The root zip when flashed on my OnePlus 3 only works with a couple apps like TitaniumBackup. Busybox doesn't recognize root, nor does Magisk.
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So, this is happening again... LineageOS 15.1 nightlies have started trickling out and there is no addonsu-15.1-arm-signed.zip available...
I am going to assume NOT to flash 14.1 addonSU on a 15.1 ROM... correct me if I am wrong in thinking ==> It is only addonSU, it might work!
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Android 3.2 Honeycomb for the Samsung Galaxy Tab
8/14/11: For the time being, this thread will close. Work continues on this (and many other) projects, but this thread has grown too large for its own good and has ceased to be relevant. I will start a new thread when I release 3.2 HC, until then, I'm doing my part to help keep XDA crap-free.
See you soon.
8/5/11: I've been pretty quiet for the last week or so... I've had a lot on my plate, but a lot of things are beginning to fade into the background and HC is more in focus. So far, we have a working kernel for HC (which was a much bigger undertaking that I had thought it would be,) and an HC system based on 3.2 and GB that boots minimally, but provides proof of concept. Next up is correcting video issues, merging in things from the Xoom, building wifi and 3G and enabling the SDcard. I plan to fix video issues first, if only to provide you with some screenshots.
7/25/11:
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7/23/11: Made quite a few kernel modifications and achieved an HC boot today. Hammering out GFX issues as the system doesn't fully boot in.
7/20/11: I just finished building the first version of the new HC kernel with the latest CWM and it boots. The source is up on github.
7/20/11: I spent the last couple of days building a new honeycomb kernel based on the recently released gingerbread cdma kernel along with a recovery built from CM7 source. Things are proceeding slowly, but progress is being made. It looks like I'll begin assembling the basic system components tomorrow and start uploading things to github as they change. Drop in and watch the magic happen in slow motion over the next few days if you want.
7/17/11: Didn't get quite as far as boot, but I did layout the SDK and the Xoom dump, made a lot of notes and made a system map. Next step is to identify the changes that provide compatibility to our type of device to make sure I target my coding for that. Also working on a new kernel based on gingerbread. Since I'm starting fresh here, I might as well switch to a GB base. So the next couple of days will be about kernel building and assembling a bare base of 3.2 into which I can pour code from the GB releases. Oh, and by the way, I just wanna say:
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7/15/11: Getting caught up on things. Looks like dev starts tomorrow on HC. Hoping to at least have boot by tomorrow evening.
7/12/11: It never fails; wait a few minutes and everything changes. 3.2 dropped today for the Xoom. I told ya, as soon as I say anything, it's almost immediately irrelevant. Well, now I'm committed to a couple of things, so I'll have to start development in a few days, but I'll let you know how it's going as I do.
7/12/11: It's been one crazy thing after another... It seems that the universe has conspired to prevent development.
First, I got 3G running on both tabs... but spent days trying to work out a way to connect, (it recognizes the modem, but wont actually latch onto a network.) Then I learned about GB dropping shortly and spent a few days doing research on that in hopes of avoiding a slew of bricks, (only to discover that there is no change to the bootloader so far with CDMA devices... excellent news, but a lot of wasted research.) And then I got tied up with family affairs, work, summer classes etc. etc. etc.
The last straw was when I discovered that 3.2 is going to drop on a new 7 inch tab in a month or two (and will be pushed to the Motorola Xoom in a matter of days according to various accounts on tech blogs.) With that news, I've dropped development altogether.
3.2 is designed to be compatible with 7 inch screens and single-core processors... So continuing this port would be like trying to cram your foot into the wrong size shoe when the right size shoe is sitting just across the room... what's the point?
So when I get my hands on that, we will have an HC that was designed to run on devices like ours (with all of the tasty features available in 3.1 plus whatever new things they do for 3.2.) As the port of 3.01 will like never run with full features for our tab, I think waiting for 3.2 (a short wait) will be the best option as we will have all of the features we should have had in the first place, and then some.
In the meantime, I have been swamped with work of various kids, cheifly the development of a website that will provide a space for new and less experienced developers to hone their skills with the benefit of more experienced developers to directly assist them (along with a web page of their own, a forum with moderator privileges and a mirror for projects.) We've been calling it an "Android development lab" and I have high hopes for it as a place for individuals to develop skills, build software and stage releases fit for XDA and the like. Though XDA fulfills this function in some ways, it is often difficult for the new developer to realize a vision by simply searching forum posts. (We are in no way attempting to draw traffic away from XDA, but rather providing an environment focused on preparing inexperienced individuals to contribute to places like the XDA community.) It's still under construction, but should be ready in a few days.
Also, I've been contributing to various other projects in small ways and have worked in an advisory capacity with several individuals to help them get projects going. I've found that I really enjoy this role, and will continue in it for the time being.
While we are waiting for 3.2, I will be working in partnership with others to bring you MIUI for the tab (already under way), a dual boot option for the galaxy tab and a native linux installation focused on utility and hacking. Look for these projects soon.
For now, I will no longer be updating this thread. My apologies for leaving it hanging here so long, it's just that every day seemed to bring with it an unpredictability that quickly rendered anything I had to say irrelevant.
See you soon.
~Space
7-5-11 #2: fyi:
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7-5-11: I know I'm dragging my ass on this one, but sit tight. Good things are coming.
7-1-11: I meant to update sooner than this, but shortly after I created this thread, I found out that gingerbread would be coming to the Sprint tab in a matter of days... (and perhaps the Verizon tab soon?) This changes things in several ways.
There will be new bootloaders on upgraded Sprint tabs that won't be compatible with my froyo-based HC build (and the Verizon tab as well if GB ever gets released for it--I assume it's to happen in the near future.)
I don't know if these boot-loaders will be locked. I don't know if it will be possible to revert to froyo boot-loaders to run my HC, and I definitely don't want to tell anyone not to upgrade their tab to GB just to run my HC. Preventing you folks from enjoying your device would defeat the entire purpose of what I'm doing here.
Not knowing how things are about to change for us, I took a couple of days to do some research and see what I could find out... And I found that there is no existing information, leaked or otherwise, on what the boot-loader situation will be (but if your google-fu outranks mine, please post your find here.)
So i began to look into moving my work into a GB base. I think that not only will this be possible, but should net similar results as using a froyo base for the same purposes (it might be a touch more difficult as GB is not nearly as clean, organized or stable a system as froyo IMO.)
So, I have a froyo based HC release soon to come after it gets some finishing touches and a few last minute fixes. At the same time, I'm working on getting a GB base assembled and functional so that we can side-step these potential issues. When the new HC is released, some of you will be able to run it, others may not, but please don't hesitate to upgrade to GB if you wish. I'll do my best to get HC working for upgraders as well.
This whole thing has me running a little behind schedule--of course. But stay tuned for more details on the upcoming HC release... I think you'll be pleased.
6-30-11: Here we go again.
Reserved for later
And again, reserved
what are the plans now Space?
looking forward to this
k0sh said:
what are the plans now Space?
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Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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I, for one, will be glad to join you on your campaign of world, and martian domination!
Onwards!
PS: I mashed your Thanks button until it chided me
spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?
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LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?
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Depends on the broadband speed...
Count in me if there are some chicks , otherwise i'll take the next flight.
spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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k0sh said:
LMAO .. this is what i'm looking for .. anyone wanna join ?
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af974 said:
Count in me if there are some chicks , otherwise i'll take the next flight.
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now this is what really i should call LMAO .and WOW you dude just made my night
I've been checking these forums like 3 times a day for a while. Thanks for increasing those numbers. I'm highly anticipating the next release of Honeycomb!
Cant wait man, reading the first three posts made me think of my car lol.
Suzuki Kizashi
(kizashi translated in japanese: good things are coming)
I don't want to be a debbie downer here... and I'm normally one to just stay quiet on most matters...
However, the last thread got out of hand. Off-Topic shenanigans and a constant repetition of questions made it difficult to navigate for both novice and n00b alike... please keep this thread on topic as much as we can. I'm no one, myself. However, I keep my post count down by looking for answers and searching, and it's easier to search a thread full of topic-related posts as opposed to random, mindless banter.
Thanks and Thank you Space for your continued work ethic!
mr2324jgf said:
I don't want to be a debbie downer here... and I'm normally one to just stay quiet on most matters...
However, the last thread got out of hand. Off-Topic shenanigans and a constant repetition of questions made it difficult to navigate for both novice and n00b alike... please keep this thread on topic as much as we can. I'm no one, myself. However, I keep my post count down by looking for answers and searching, and it's easier to search a thread full of topic-related posts as opposed to random, mindless banter.
Thanks and Thank you Space for your continued work ethic!
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Here here!
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spacemoose1 said:
Now? We go to the moon. We build a biosphere. Then we start manufacturing weapons. When Earth invades, we defend ourselves. When they are at their weakest, we launch a full scale attack the likes of which Earth has never seen. When they are defeated...
On to Mars!
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I'll bring my father along and together dad and I can engineer and build our war planes. (He tells people how to build jets like the jsf stvl, etc.)
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oldmacnut said:
I'll bring my father along and together dad and I can engineer and build our war planes. (He tells people how to build jets like the jsf stvl, etc.)
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i can be the assistant engineer, i can rig anything on to anything.
the honeycomb threads make me not want honeycomb
robkoehler said:
the honeycomb threads make me not want honeycomb
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Lol
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so any news? this thread has been pretty quiet considering the fact that the 2.5 thread got locked. im hoping to hear some good news today
What a great question! I'm so glad you asked!
I recently gave in and got my bootloader unlocked on my Verizon R800x, just so I could see what all the hoopla was about. After a few days of analysis, I've already been able to draw some conclusions that I hope new seekers will find useful.
There are several things to know when making a decision like this one.
1. What model of Xperia Play am I rocking? Not all Xperia Plays are created equal. There is the data connection to consider. If you are in most of the world outside of the US, you probably have a carrier that uses GSM for data. So does AT&T and Sprint in the US. Because it is so common, there are lots of Custom ROMS and kernels, unlocking the bootloader is easy, and many people are experienced in supporting GSM. But you're a Verizon Wireless customer? - sorry, you use a CDMA connection, which means your choices are much more limited, unlocking the bootloader is more of a challenge, and people tend to laugh at you!
2. Do I want to use the phone primarily for gaming with that sweet gamepad and not-so-sweet touchpads? Do I really depend on my phone to be 100% useable at all times? Better stick with ROMs and kernels based off of stock. No need to even know what a bootloader is!
3. Or, screw the games, I wanna be big, bad and bold, on the bleeding edge of technology! Well then, plan on furthering your techie education! You're going to be learning all kinds of fun and interesting terms, like soft brick, hard brick, adb, fastboot, flashing , RAM, ROM, push, root and boot - after awhile it all starts sounding like a naughty little party is going on in your phone! Hey, Baby! I got yer bootloader right here, know wut I'm sayin?
How about some do's and don'ts?
DON'T post a question on how to root, unlock the bootloader, install coolappofthemoment.apk or what does any of these terms mean without doing a little research on your own first. Chances are, someone else asked it at least once, probably a million times, and the only responses you're likely to get are "GEEZE, READ THE BLOODY FORUMS, YA N00B!!!"
DO use Google, search the forums, and actually READ the threads that seem relevant to your question. Yes, you will read a more than a few posts like "Does this work yet?", "I don't like the color of...", "MemberX is a troll!", but interspersed in there is quite a bit of information that you may benefit from and often you will find your answer much more quickly than posting a question and waiting for a valid response.
DON'T be afraid of rooting your phone but...
DO be aware that your warranty may (will) be affected by modifying your phone.
DON'T remove anything preinstalled by the service provider until you...
DO a Nandroid Backup first. (There's a term you will want to explore further. Hint: Look into CWM Custom Recovery.)
DON'Tuninstall system apps right away. Instead freeze them (OOOH another term you might want to learn. Hint: Titanium Backup among other apps.) Once you are comfortable with restoring your Nandroid Backup, you understand what the app does, and you experience no issues freezing it, then you can remove it if you want to free up some internal storage space.
DO pay attention to who the developers are for different projects, as well as frequent posters with actual useful contributions. You can tell who they are by the phrase "The Following 9 million Users Say Thank You to UltraDev For This Useful Post:" These are the people you want to make your bestest friends.
WOW !! Who knew there was so much to learn !!! Can't I just skip all that and charge blindly ahead??? I have one word for you. BRICK !!! OK, I have another word for you:
DON'T!!!
After trying the few kernels and Custom ROMs available to me (Yes, I am a lucky Verizon customer), I decided that, for me, it's fun to be able to juggle razors (Get It? Be on the BLEEDING EDGE???), but since some of the things I like to do with my phone are not yet working with the latest and greatest, I'm better off sticking with a customized stock configuration. The great thing is, I can always try the newer stuff and then go back to the "safe" setup.
Oh yeah! I almost forgot! There is one more DO for you, and it's extremely important!
DO click that Thanks button when someone posts a project or information that you find useful. We all want to know our efforts are appreciated, right? RIGHT?????? <<Taps his foot and looks pointedly at the Thanks button>>
Your post reminded me of Excel, of Excel Saga's fame. For that you carved a little nostalgia hole in my rocky heart.
That's going to be very useful, and you had me laughing for 10 mins with the bootloader thing
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Hey guys I just had to do a complete unroot on my Sprint Galaxy S3 after updating my People's ROM from version 3.10 to 3.11. 3.11 would never load and was stuck in a boot-loop. Flashed it about 4 times and could never get it to work. Re-flashed back to 3.10 but the phone would just never work right. Was loving it while it lasted but now I'm looking for something else, but something close to People's ROM. Unless kennyglass and his awesome team can get all the bugs worked out. If they do, I will re-root and flash People's again. Loved having both cams, felt that the stock kernel with the ROM was sucking down the battery. Anyone have any advice on a awesome kernel that works with most if not all ROM's and is battery efficient?
Thanks in advance for the replies. :cyclops:
bmdiz said:
Hey guys I just had to do a complete unroot on my Sprint Galaxy S3 after updating my People's ROM from version 3.10 to 3.11. 3.11 would never load and was stuck in a boot-loop. Flashed it about 4 times and could never get it to work. Re-flashed back to 3.10 but the phone would just never work right. Was loving it while it lasted but now I'm looking for something else, but something close to People's ROM. Unless kennyglass and his awesome team can get all the bugs worked out. If they do, I will re-root and flash People's again. Loved having both cams, felt that the stock kernel with the ROM was sucking down the battery. Anyone have any advice on a awesome kernel that works with most if not all ROM's and is battery efficient?
Thanks in advance for the replies. :cyclops:
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Did you check to see if you had a bad download. You should have compared the md5 sums.
And ktoonz has been giving me the best battery life with all the ROMs I have tried.
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Unless kennyglass and his awesome team can get all the bugs worked out. If they do, I will re-root and flash People's again.
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myself as well as tons of others are happy with TPR, sorry sir but there are no bugs (far as I can tell) with this great rom, as said sounds like you got a bad download. did you have nandroid backup? if you did you could have reverted back to that by going into recovery manually and used your backup, always, always, always backup before flashing anything :good: good luck
TPR has no bugs. The bugs where either on your download or on your device. TPR loads and is better than almost anything out there. I'm partial to it, but really feel insulted and I hope Kenny Rompnit and the rest of the crew don't see this insult of their work.
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WTH? Never ever i had a problem wirh TPR n I've been running it since it started n been a tester for the rom ever since I'm sure u have a bad download or did you do a clean install or a dirty install? I would give the ok on any version of tpr if there a problem with it loading or any other problems n we are the people we help anyone that needs helping did you post in tpr thread to get help from us we would have helped you anyway we could have
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Well.
1. Root your phone
2. Download TPR
3. CHECK md5
4. CHECK md5
5. Download stock kernel from freeza
6. Wipe Sytem/Data
7. Flash TPR
8. Choose no kernel in the install
9. Flash Stock kernel
10. Wipe Cache/Dalvik and Fix Permissions
11. Test all your things
12. Feedback
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Ooooh OP.. No you di'nt!
You done riled up The People now!
If only you had asked for help in thread or PM... The People are always there for each other.
AND you forgot the 1st rule of flashing... ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS Back up before flashing ANYTHING! With 1GB ROMs the chances of bad downloads and flashes are much greater.
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It seems extremely narcissistic and illogical to assume that there is absolutely no possibility that you made an honest mistake (or that a random network error resulted in a bad download). But anyone who has used TPR will immediately dismiss the OP as the words of an uninformed individual who lacks the effort and interest to become more informed. If those who have never used TPR aren't smart enough to recognize the fact that this claim completely contradicts at least 99.9% of the reports about the rom, then they probably won't be missed anyway, lol
OP, you basically managed to destroy any credibility you might have had with that one post. If you were hoping to troll up some drama, you chose the wrong forum and the wrong rom to target
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I think you did something wrong. I dont have any issues with my phone at all. Infact i been getting excellent performance and amazing battery life. Try downloading and flashing again. Make sure you flash the whole file, i had to set my laptop not to fall asleep while waiting to download the big file. I flashed mine dirty, but sounds luke you may want to wipe cache first and then flashing. Good luck
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before opening mouth and inserting foot please check md5 and make sure you are using a BB cable to transfer rom to phone
edit: and you are behind by 2 releases we are at 3.13 now
Lol. I download everything over 3g/now LTE and never had a bad download.
I had only one md5 fail transferring for the PC to a phone. 3 phones, and only mine had the fail.
I was :-0 "three phones and only mine is soft bricked. what a luck"
But also I had a NANDROID. So no worry.
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bmdiz said:
Hey guys I just had to do a complete unroot on my Sprint Galaxy S3 after updating my People's ROM from version 3.10 to 3.11. 3.11 would never load and was stuck in a boot-loop. Flashed it about 4 times and could never get it to work. Re-flashed back to 3.10 but the phone would just never work right. Was loving it while it lasted but now I'm looking for something else, but something close to People's ROM. Unless kennyglass and his awesome team can get all the bugs worked out. If they do, I will re-root and flash People's again. Loved having both cams, felt that the stock kernel with the ROM was sucking down the battery. Anyone have any advice on a awesome kernel that works with most if not all ROM's and is battery efficient?
Thanks in advance for the replies. :cyclops:
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Think it's just bad download OP, Been on TPR for quite some time, testing releases, never had an issue unless it was a bad download. ALWAYS Verify MD5. However, if you do decide TPR is not right for you, See the MoAR Thread. It's like TPR but different
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TPR has no bugs. The bugs where either on your download or on your device. TPR loads and is better than almost anything out there. I'm partial to it, but really feel insulted and I hope Kenny Rompnit and the rest of the crew don't see this insult of their work.
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Just because I may have had a bad download and/or something wrong with my device has nothing to do with me insulting anyone. I too loved TPR and was enjoying the hell out of it. There was nothing in my question/comment/post that was insulting in any way, shape, or form. I really think you're taking this someplace it doesn't need to go.
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Just because I may have had a bad download and/or something wrong with my device has nothing to do with me insulting anyone. I too loved TPR and was enjoying the hell out of it. There was nothing in my question/comment/post that was insulting in any way, shape, or form. I really think you're taking this someplace it doesn't need to go.
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I believe The People took offense to your choice of words stating that the ROM had bugs and none of the responsibility was yours. Usually for someone to make such a statement there should be some corroboration. The first thing anyone should do is wipe data, redownload and reflash before stating there is a bug. And for you also to state you would return when we fix it when nothing was broken but perhaps your download is ludicrous. Next time ask for help in the ROM thread. The People are very accomodating and bend over backwards to anyone asking for help...not so much for self-righteousness.
Now with all that said, redownload 3.13 and ask in the ROM thread if you have any questions.
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It seems extremely narcissistic and illogical to assume that there is absolutely no possibility that you made an honest mistake (or that a random network error resulted in a bad download). But anyone who has used TPR will immediately dismiss the OP as the words of an uninformed individual who lacks the effort and interest to become more informed. If those who have never used TPR aren't smart enough to recognize the fact that this claim completely contradicts at least 99.9% of the reports about the rom, then they probably won't be missed anyway, lol
OP, you basically managed to destroy any credibility you might have had with that one post. If you were hoping to troll up some drama, you chose the wrong forum and the wrong rom to target
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I think some folks are just a bit melodramatic and take things where they don't need to go. As stated, I gave the entire team recognition for their work and enjoyed using TPR. Anyway, rather than sit there and bash someone for asking a honest question and assist me, you loose credibility from me, so, thanks for nothing. BTW: Who the hell is OP that everyone if referring to?.......... Never mind, I really don't need an answer from you about that.
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I think some folks are just a bit melodramatic and take things where they don't need to go. As stated, I gave the entire team recognition for their work and enjoyed using TPR. Anyway, rather than sit there and bash someone for asking a honest question and assist me, you loose credibility from me, so, thanks for nothing. BTW: Who the hell is OP that everyone if referring to?.......... Never mind, I really don't need an answer from you about that.
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OP stands for: Original post, OR original poster (the person who started the thread)
But yeah, it seems like you offended quite a couple people. Did you check the rom thread to see if anyone else had issues with 3.13? It may be that the update required a full wipe before installing as well, as the nature of some updates require a clean flash instead of a dirty one
Personally, I always recommended checking for problems on your end before suggesting problems on the roms end. The developers put a lot of work into this and do it in their spare time, so suggesting that something they made, and tested extensively, has bugs doesnt exactly come off as a compliment
Not trying to patronize, but remember that all of this is strictly through text. Not everyone may interpret what you wrote in the way you intended for it to be interpreted or in the way you understand it
kennyglass123 said:
I believe The People took offense to your choice of words stating that the ROM had bugs and none of the responsibility was yours. Usually for someone to make such a statement there should be some corroboration. The first thing anyone should do is wipe data, redownload and reflash before stating there is a bug. And for you also to state you would return when we fix it when nothing was broken but perhaps your download is ludicrous. Next time ask for help in the ROM thread. The People are very accomodating and bend over backwards to anyone asking for help...not so much for self-righteousness.
Now with all that said, redownload 3.13 and ask in the ROM thread if you have any questions.
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Thanks kennyglass, no disrespect was intended in any way at all. I will follow your steps and will reflash TPR. If I have any issues I will PM you directly. Some folks just need to take a chill pill man.
Thanks for understanding.
How about you apologize to Kenny and the Team for saying that the rom had "bugs" and was "broken" when in fact there is nothing wrong with it. And take acceptance that you may have had a bad download, and may have not known what you where doing, and started a whole thread because you failed to seek help in the Rom thread where you should have in the first place. It's not that I wanted to pick on you it's your choice of words and lack of knowledge when it comes to flashing. It's better to ask questions and ask for help than to make FALSE accusations and statements in a public forum.
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edfunkycold said:
How about you apologize to Kenny and the Team for saying that the rom had "bugs" and was "broken" when in fact there is nothing wrong with it. And take acceptance that you may have had a bad download, and may have not known what you where doing, and started a whole thread because you failed to seek help in the Rom thread where you should have in the first place. It's not that I wanted to pick on you it's your choice of words and lack of knowledge when it comes to flashing. It's better to ask questions and ask for help than to make FALSE accusations and statements in a public forum.
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Check your PM PAL
Seems it's been long enough since there are kernels.
The Pixel 2.. Specifically our phone. The unlocked XL is in a very elite and minority based classed of phones. Is it spectacular and an amazing phone? Absolutely but this isn't the Nexus 4, Nexus 5 era anymore.. It's an elite, very expensive phone and in such the amount of people, even developers willing to buy it unlocked are going to be much smaller. You know how many crazy looks I get when people ask how much I paid for my phone and say "$850"..
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The Pixel 2.. Specifically our phone. The XL is in a very elite and minority based classed of phones. Is it spectacular and an amazing phone? Absolutely but this isn't the Nexus 4, Nexus 5 era anymore.. It's an elite, very expensive phone and in such the amount of people, even developers willing to buy it unlocked are going to be much smaller. You know how many crazy looks I get when people ask how much I paid for my phone and say "$850"..
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+1. I agree. Android is not what it used to be. The OS and user experience has evolved greatly. Honestly, what is the point of ROMs anymore? The last time I installed one was right before getting the Nexus 5. There are so many ways to customize a stock rooted device, that to me, makes a ROM kind of pointless. I commend all of the developers though for putting their hard work into an "all-in-one" experience. So many talented people in the Android community nowadays. However, many of those 'old timers' are not really investing their time into ROMs anymore. Ehh. My ranting is done. I would suggest that the OP spend their time researching the many different apps and tweaks available as a root user. Because all a ROM really is, is just somebody pre-modifying various functions in a flashable package. Research, invest time, and feel pride into creating your own... ROM.
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+1. I agree. Android is not what it used to be. The OS and user experience has evolved greatly. Honestly, what is the point of ROMs anymore? The last time I installed one was right before getting the Nexus 5. There are so many ways to customize a stock rooted device, that to me, makes a ROM kind of pointless. I commend all of the developers though for putting their hard work into an "all-in-one" experience. So many talented people in the Android community nowadays. However, many of those 'old timers' are not really investing their time into ROMs anymore. Ehh. My ranting is done. I would suggest that the OP spend their time researching the many different apps and tweaks available as a root user. Because all a ROM really is, is just somebody pre-modifying various functions in a flashable package. Research, invest time, and feel pride into creating your own... ROM.
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Very nicely said. ROMS were once a "look what I can do now" novelty that added lacking features and battery saving techniques to Android. And seriously most of the time a lot of it was placebo. Especially with kernels. Kernels got to the point I felt like I was reading an infomercial with all the promises of battery savings and 7 virgins when I die if I installed it. And like most kernels and ROMS every thread on XDA fell into two classes of comments.
1. Feature requests that were outlandish or novelty items only (ie: Themes)
2. *****ing about bugs, random reboots and crashes
Yeah.. I'll stiick with rooted stock in 2018.. I can do everything I could only wish I could do 5 years ago with just that.
You guys make good points and to each their own, but I personally still love ROMs! Maybe it's because I made the switch from iOS to Android when the Nexus 6P was about mid-cycle, so all the ROM flashing/tweaking/modding is still fairly new and fun to me.
But it's not only that, I just like the little things custom ROMs offer, such as clock options, battery options, QS shade quick pull down from the left or right side, clear all FAB, hiding lock screen shortcuts and so on.
I understand there are probably root apps that could do most or all these things, but it's nice to have it built-in the OS with a custom ROM. It eliminates the need to have additional apps to do something as small and simple as move the clock to the centre in the status bar for example.
Oh, and I can't forget full Subsratum support! I know it works with Oreo if we use the Andromeda add-on, but it just goes back to what I said about not having the need to use anything additional because it's already built in the OS.
Lastly, this might just be me, but it's nice to be a part of a ROM community, sharing our enthusiasm for Android and learning from one another by discovering bugs, or screwing things up when flashing/updating and so on!
All-in-all, I'd love to see ROMs for this device, particularly PureNexus as that's my favourite lol but I understand the A/B layout+some other changes Google has made causes for some obstacles for devs to overcome. When is never an issue for me, but it would be awesome for some ROMs to appear as it just gives us more options and customization
rickysidhu_ said:
You guys make good points and to each their own, but I personally still love ROMs! Maybe it's because I made the switch from iOS to Android when the Nexus 6P was about mid-cycle, so all the ROM flashing/tweaking/modding is still fairly new and fun to me.
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I had some Samsung and LG phones in the past: In earlier times (Samsung Galaxy S2 and S4) you had AOSP- or CM-based ROMs which worked very well. With these, you could have a Nexus-like device, but with removable battery and SD-card support.
Fast-forward to the LG G5, and there were no fully working AOSP-based ROMs anymore. You had always stuff which didn't work, so I couldn't use them as daily driver (no offense intended to the developers, the devices got more complicated over time and the vendor-support was also lacking).
So I had to de-bloat the stock ROM manually and flashed the GApps to get a decent device.
With the Pixel 2XL, this isn't necessary at all. The stock ROM is clean, performs well, has an excellent battery runtime, gets updated every month and has no bloat.
So while custom ROMs would be nice, they are not mandatory anymore for me.
Also, we already have an AOSP-ROM for people who want to flash something different.
rickysidhu_ said:
But it's not only that, I just like the little things custom ROMs offer, such as clock options, battery options, QS shade quick pull down from the left or right side, clear all FAB, hiding lock screen shortcuts and so on.
I understand there are probably root apps that could do most or all these things, but it's nice to have it built-in the OS with a custom ROM. It eliminates the need to have additional apps to do something as small and simple as move the clock to the centre in the status bar for example.
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Times they are changing
I remember using AOSP with my SGS4 and customizing it via Xposed/ GravityBox. Fun times...
Then I used RR for some time with all these options built-in.
With the Pixel 2 XL, I simply use Substratum now. Substweaks gives me the center clock, Quick Tiles customizings etc. With OMS, you can do lots of things which required Xposed/GB in the past.
Not that I'm saying that we don't need Xposed anymore at all, but with OMS you can do lots of things which required mods/ ROMs in the past.
rickysidhu_ said:
Oh, and I can't forget full Subsratum support! I know it works with Oreo if we use the Andromeda add-on, but it just goes back to what I said about not having the need to use anything additional because it's already built in the OS.
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The Pixel 2 Xl has full OMS support. I just installed Substratum and gave it root privileges, no need for Andromeda at all. I'll have a second look at Andromeda once I don't need to connect my phone to the PC after every reboot.
rickysidhu_ said:
All-in-all, I'd love to see ROMs for this device, particularly PureNexus as that's my favourite lol but I understand the A/B layout+some other changes Google has made causes for some obstacles for devs to overcome. When is never an issue for me, but it would be awesome for some ROMs to appear as it just gives us more options and customization
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Have you checked out the AOSP-ROM in the DEV section? This could be what you want...
I personally would say that the stock ROM is "pure Nexus", though
BabelHuber said:
I had some Samsung and LG phones in the past: In earlier times (Samsung Galaxy S2 and S4) you had AOSP- or CM-based ROMs which worked very well. With these, you could have a Nexus-like device, but with removable battery and SD-card support.
Fast-forward to the LG G5, and there were no fully working AOSP-based ROMs anymore. You had always stuff which didn't work, so I couldn't use them as daily driver (no offense intended to the developers, the devices got more complicated over time and the vendor-support was also lacking).
So I had to de-bloat the stock ROM manually and flashed the GApps to get a decent device.
With the Pixel 2XL, this isn't necessary at all. The stock ROM is clean, performs well, has an excellent battery runtime, gets updated every month and has no bloat.
So while custom ROMs would be nice, they are not mandatory anymore for me.
Also, we already have an AOSP-ROM for people who want to flash something different.
Times they are changing [emoji14]
I remember using AOSP with my SGS4 and customizing it via Xposed/ GravityBox. Fun times...
Then I used RR for some time with all these options built-in.
With the Pixel 2 XL, I simply use Substratum now. Substweaks gives me the center clock, Quick Tiles customizings etc. With OMS, you can do lots of things which required Xposed/GB in the past.
Not that I'm saying that we don't need Xposed anymore at all, but with OMS you can do lots of things which required mods/ ROMs in the past.
The Pixel 2 Xl has full OMS support. I just installed Substratum and gave it root privileges, no need for Andromeda at all. I'll have a second look at Andromeda once I don't need to connect my phone to the PC after every reboot.
Have you checked out the AOSP-ROM in the DEV section? This could be what you want...
I personally would say that the stock ROM is "pure Nexus", though
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As Subs/Pure dev, after your kind words I felt the need to reassure you that pure nexus plus full OMS is indeed amazing.
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As Subs/Pure dev, after your kind words I felt the need to reassure you that pure nexus plus full OMS is indeed amazing.
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Oh you dirty dog! Teasing us like that! Well done though Hoss :good::good:
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As Subs/Pure dev, after your kind words I felt the need to reassure you that pure nexus plus full OMS is indeed amazing.
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As Subs/Pure dev, after your kind words I felt the need to reassure you that pure nexus plus full OMS is indeed amazing. View attachment 4384270
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BabelHuber said:
Also, we already have an AOSP-ROM for people who want to flash something different.
...Have you checked out the AOSP-ROM in the DEV section? This could be what you want...
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Maybe I'll give it a shot in the near future, I've had my 2 XL since this past Saturday but haven't touched it yet. Waiting on a screen protector to arrive in the mail first (OCD won't let me use my phones without a screen protector installed first lol)
BabelHuber said:
The Pixel 2 Xl has full OMS support. I just installed Substratum and gave it root privileges, no need for Andromeda at all. I'll have a second look at Andromeda once I don't need to connect my phone to the PC after every reboot.
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I actually didn't know the stock ROM had full OMS support...that's a nice surprise! I definitely need to get myself more familiar with Oreo, haven't had the chance to play around with it just yet.
rickysidhu_ said:
You guys make good points and to each their own, but I personally still love ROMs! Maybe it's because I made the switch from iOS to Android when the Nexus 6P was about mid-cycle, so all the ROM flashing/tweaking/modding is still fairly new and fun to me.
But it's not only that, I just like the little things custom ROMs offer, such as clock options, battery options, QS shade quick pull down from the left or right side, clear all FAB, hiding lock screen shortcuts and so on.
I understand there are probably root apps that could do most or all these things, but it's nice to have it built-in the OS with a custom ROM. It eliminates the need to have additional apps to do something as small and simple as move the clock to the centre in the status bar for example.
Oh, and I can't forget full Subsratum support! I know it works with Oreo if we use the Andromeda add-on, but it just goes back to what I said about not having the need to use anything additional because it's already built in the OS.
Lastly, this might just be me, but it's nice to be a part of a ROM community, sharing our enthusiasm for Android and learning from one another by discovering bugs, or screwing things up when flashing/updating and so on!
All-in-all, I'd love to see ROMs for this device, particularly PureNexus as that's my favourite lol but I understand the A/B layout+some other changes Google has made causes for some obstacles for devs to overcome. When is never an issue for me, but it would be awesome for some ROMs to appear as it just gives us more options and customization
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I'm the same way, I use my pixel 2 on a regular basis but I find myself turning on my Nexus 6 and flashing a ROM or two because I just like doing it. After so many years of flashing it's going to be hard to just stop.
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That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I haven't kept count, but there's been news in this section of at least 4-6 different ROMs for the P6P.
We have at least 3-4 custom kernels, as well.
As far as other development, click the Development or Mods filters and see what helpful things folks have cooked up for us so far, less than two months after the phone has been in user's hands.
PhilPan said:
That there is going to be very little development for this phone? I skipped the last few pixels, and was excited to get back into the game with the P6. But never did I remember it taking this long for Roms and mods to develop. Seems as though those days are gone. Samsung with their creation of Good Lock, seems to have surpassed the Pixel.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think there are at least 5 kernels already. Also I think there are at least another 3 or 4 roms either being tested or already having stable builds. There are also many mods already. I don't think the days of yore are quite gone yet...
Development and developer's will come... especially if they have the source code and the device!
I think this is all wishful thinking boys. The mods and roms that are out there are slim compared to the old days. You guys are reaching for straws here. Those days are over
I know for sure the devs behind Scorpion are working on bringup. Rom bringup for most devices is not easy or quick. Give it a few more months.
Phil would be a good Grinch
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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No, that's not being a realist, that's being a pessimist, my dude. Realist is looking at things realistically, the good and bad. Pessimism is looking at everything negatively, realistically or no. You are doing the latter
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Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.
PhilPan said:
I'm a realist boys. Just ain't gonna happen. Sadly, I maybe forced to jump back to the S22 when it's released.
I hope you guys prove me wrong.
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Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with
Lughnasadh said:
Seems like you already had your mind made up to begin with considering you're disregarding almost everything people are saying, which makes one wonder why you even opened this thread to begin with
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My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.
PhilPan said:
I'd like to be able to have some customization, aside form the little that is out there. Also, it's just too difficult to upgrade anymore. I no people will chime in and say it's not. But it is. Having to hook to a computer and do adb commands to take an update is not something I want to be to doing all the time, praying my data isn't lost.
Samsung has surpassed the Pixel development community. I know people will hate on that, but it's true. I was able to do so much more with my Samsung out of the box, then I can with my Pixel. Add in the connection issues, and this is a dud.
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Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end
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Yeah, all those issues when updating via Fastboot or ADB are a bit unsettling - I guess we have to wait for TWRP for a bit more of leeway. But at least we have a phone which can be unlocked and relocked without issues or warranty impacts !
As to tweaking: I was missing Gravitybox but got most of the tweaks thanks to the developers here - so that is good for me, but of course your mileage may vary ....
In the end I think we have seen the beginning of development on this phone, not its end
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Thank you for seeing my point there.
And I am hoping you are correct.
PhilPan said:
My mind is definitely not made up. I hate Samsung. But you have to give them props for what they have done. I was so excited to come back to Pixel land. But around a month later I'm ehhhhhhhh.
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"Just ain't gonna happen".
Sure sounds like your mind is made up..
Also, "...a month later...". I don't think it's being a "realist" to expect a plethora of roms to be available in 1 month, especially since many developers may have just gotten the phone or may not even have the phone as of yet. Development takes time and testing.
"Softly, softly, catchee monkey"
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Actually I was dead surprised by the amount of development activities going on here, the multitude of Kernels and the first custom ROMs after very few weeks after release.
This is something that actually reminded me of "old times" whereas many other devices show comparable little development activities.
Not sure what you are looking for but I have to agree that "old times" are over - nowadays the necessity for custom development is much smaller than is was back then....
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Well said, and I agree with all three of your statements.
Well my last phone was the Galaxy S10 and, oh boy did it take long until development really started. The Pixel 6 development is way quicker.
The roms and mods were more basic as well in the beginning, just give it time my man. The phone is barely 2 months old.
The 6pro has a fulfillment issue as well. Many people still don't have them yet.
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the image attached is the s21 ultra development as of today, i would say the pixel 6 pro is in a good state considering we don't have twrp yet.
I do agree that the glory days of flashing your phone are over, but thats also because the OS has matured quite considerably where custom roms are replaced with simple magisk modules.
One other factor for me personally is losing app functionality for important apps by tripping safety net, but thanks to the workaround i was comfortable enough with rooting my p6p.