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So can you use the iris scanner and back it up with a fingerprint too? Not 2 factor but in regular use cases like driving a car or wearing sunglasses, or simply hitting the home button to power the screen on?
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I believe you're asking if the Iris Unlock and Fingerprint Unlock can both exist as an unlock option at the same time so you're free to choose whichever one you want to use whenever you want?
Kinda like... normally, you would want to use the fingerprint unlock, but on those days when its raining and your hands are wet, you can simply swipe up to activate Iris Unlock instead?
If that's what you're asking, I believe YEP it can!
If you take a pause at 03:04, on the unlock screen that he has, there's this message that says,
"Use fingerprint to unlock or swipe screen to use iris instead."
It looks like the reviewer has both set up so he's free to use either option as his choice.
Even if this would be possible, I woudn't use it to compromise security.
There's no sense for an iris scanner, if the informations can be accessed by a fingerprint scan.
And when your finger is wet, just dry and use it.
I really preferr fingerprint scan to unlock the system and iris scan, to access very confident informations (telebanking, passwort store and so on).
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I believe you're asking if the Iris Unlock and Fingerprint Unlock can both exist as an unlock option at the same time so you're free to choose whichever one you want to use whenever you want?
Kinda like... normally, you would want to use the fingerprint unlock, but on those days when its raining and your hands are wet, you can simply swipe up to activate Iris Unlock instead?
If that's what you're asking, I believe YEP it can!
If you take a pause at 03:04, on the unlock screen that he has, there's this message that says,
"Use fingerprint to unlock or swipe screen to use iris instead."
It looks like the reviewer has both set up so he's free to use either option as his choice.
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Exactly right. You can set both up and use whichever you prefer in any occasion.
hkr said:
Even if this would be possible, I woudn't use it to compromise security.
There's no sense for an iris scanner, if the informations can be accessed by a fingerprint scan.
And when your finger is wet, just dry and use it.
I really preferr fingerprint scan to unlock the system and iris scan, to access very confident informations (telebanking, passwort store and so on).
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I don't understand how this combination would compromise security, since the level of security of fingerprints and iris scanner remains unchanged.
On a whole, the Iris Scanner is already more secure than the Fingerprint Scanner.
From what I know of the phone, even if you use the Iris Scanner as an option to unlock the device, you're still able to use it as the unlocking method for a more confidential storage option like the Secure Folder.
Since its two different things, you're free to use the more secure Iris Scanner to both unlock the system and to access confidential information.
But I believe, fingerprint scanner would be used more simply because its quicker to unlock on a typical use case than the extra step for the Iris Scanner.
Honestly, I'm very excited about this combination.
A few months back, I ran into this scenario where I tripped and fell on my hands. Ended up scraping my fingers against the concrete and it tore some skin and left some scars that didn't leave for a few weeks. So at the time, fingerprint unlocking didn't work and since I primarily used Fingerprint Unlock, I forgot my backup password and had to rely on the GMail option to unlock device.
For a few weeks, I had to switch to using a Pattern Unlock till I healed enough to switch back to Fingerprint.
Now, if I had this phone, I could simply switch to the Iris Scanner and unlock without having to bother with the entire trouble of trying to remember backup password, gmail unlock, and switching to Pattern Unlock.
The Iris scanner is, as you write, "already more secure than the Fingerprint Scanner".
But if you use both in parallel, you reduce your security level to the Fingerprint Scan.
If someone steals your device and has your fingerprint, he might get access to your informations.
Iris scan does not bring any additional security, if you use it in parallel with fingerprint scan, unless you don't forget to put all your sensitive informations in the secure folder ...
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The Iris scanner is, as you write, "already more secure than the Fingerprint Scanner".
But if you use both in parallel, you reduce your security level to the Fingerprint Scan.
If someone steals your device and has your fingerprint, he might get access to your informations.
Iris scan does not bring any additional security, if you use it in parallel with fingerprint scan, unless you don't forget to put all your sensitive informations in the secure folder ...
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Ahh, I misunderstood you.
So you meant that using both would give people a less secure option to get into your device when its safer to just use the more secure method?
I misunderstood because in your original post, it sounded like you preferred the fingerprint unlock for unlocking device and would rather dry your fingers instead of using the iris unlock.
The wording confused me.
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The Iris scanner is, as you write, "already more secure than the Fingerprint Scanner".
But if you use both in parallel, you reduce your security level to the Fingerprint Scan.
If someone steals your device and has your fingerprint, he might get access to your informations.
Iris scan does not bring any additional security, if you use it in parallel with fingerprint scan, unless you don't forget to put all your sensitive informations in the secure folder ...
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Fully agree with you but also personally I don't care. It isn't about added security for me. Finger is fine. I just want gloves on convenience.
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If someone steals your device and has your fingerprint, he might get access to your informations. ...
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If someone has my finger to open my phone, I have bigger problems than them getting access to whatever is on my phone...
He doesn't need your finger, a fingerprint on a glass will do nicely
With the Iris Scan it's a bit more tricky, there he might need your eye ...
Maybe a good reason, not to use Iris scan, if you mess around with the wrong people ...
Hi Guys,
I'm thinking about buying this phone for a friend and need to understand how the fingerprint scanner works.
On my One Plus 3, the scanner is ON all the time which makes it awesome, (but probably eats battery.) :victory:
On my Galaxy Tab S2, you have to press the scanner to turn it on first, which makes the whole process much worse.
Is the scanner on the P2 always ON, (like the One Plus 3,) or does it require a press to wake it up? (like on Samsung devices.)
Thanks in advance. :highfive:
The scanner is always on.. you don't need to wake the phone to use it.. the battery drain is minimal
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Uibon said:
The scanner is always on.. you don't need to wake the phone to use it.. the battery drain is minimal
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Thanks Uibon. :highfive:
Is it a physical button? i.e. presses in, or is it just purely capacitive?
My Samsung also has an issue where if you lock the screen using an app, (Power Toggles,) you can't unlock the phone with your fingerprint. Any idea if the P2 suffers the same issue?
It's both. The fingerprint sensor is capacitive and works by just placing one's finger on it. There are also many gestures that work on the capacitive sensor like tap to go back long press to view recent apps. The button is also physical pressing it brings you to home screen and long press brings up Google assistant
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It's both. The fingerprint sensor is capacitive and works by just placing one's finger on it. There are also many gestures that work on the capacitive sensor like tap to go back long press to view recent apps. The button is also physical pressing it brings you to home screen and long press brings up Google assistant
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Ok Uibon,
So to unlock the phone, do you just place your finger on the sensor (without pressing it down,) or do you have to press it down as well? I ask this as on my Tab S2, having to press down also results in many incorrect reads.
Its a pity Lenovo didn't put a lock screen gesture in the fingerprint scanner like One Plus. It by far the best system I've ever used. :angel:
It works like the fingerprint on the OnePlus.. just place the finger to make it work no pressing the button necessary.
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Uibon said:
It works like the fingerprint on the OnePlus.. just place the finger to make it work no pressing the button necessary.
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Excellent Uibon, :victory:
Just need to sort out now the issue of using an app to lock the screen and understand if this takes away the ability to unlock next time with the fingerprint.
Masteryates said:
Excellent Uibon, :victory:
Just need to sort out now the issue of using an app to lock the screen and understand if this takes away the ability to unlock next time with the fingerprint.
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Just tried screen lock widget and it requires pin to unlock after using it. Finger does not work.
I am using nova prime and double tap to sleep and i can wake from finger print sensor iff you use timeout lockscreen method which means after you double tap the screen to lock the it screen goes black instantlly but the actual full screen lock engages after 30sec allowing the phone to screen to be locked through its own system hence the fingerprint wake works normal. I am not aware of other launchers that have this but nova prime has it.
Masteryates said:
Excellent Uibon, :victory:
Just need to sort out now the issue of using an app to lock the screen and understand if this takes away the ability to unlock next time with the fingerprint.
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That's an Android security limitation and all phones do that I believe. I think some apps can "trick" the phone by turning the screen off and let the timeout do the locking but I'm not sure.
If you have root access then they'll work. Else they won't. It's a security feature and uses device admin rights to lock the phone. Which means the device admin should unlock it by the most secure way. That's pin password or pattern.
It's not device specific and hence it's nothing to blame Lenovo
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That's an Android security limitation and all phones do that I believe. I think some apps can "trick" the phone by turning the screen off and let the timeout do the locking but I'm not sure.
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You are correct dannejanne. Some OEM's have realised how stupid it is and have sorted it out.
On the One Plus 3, you can securely unlock the phone and relock all with one finger while your phone is on your desk. You can do this better and faster than any other phone. As it's something you do so many times a day, it's time for the other OEM's to blatantly copy this.
This has been bugging the ISH out of me....
On my OP6.. if i was on a call and i touched my FP sensor it unlocks the phone for me to access anything i want.
When on my P3XL doing the same doesn't produce the same results at all, i have to bring down notification window press settings and then it asks for FP.
I also have my navbar hidden, which can be affecting how this entire thing functions too, not sure.
Has someone figured out a way around this?
I just called my phone from my work number and the fingerprint sensor unlocked. Phone was locked when I called it, I called my phone, swiped up to answer. While in the call I tapped the home button and was taken to the lock screen. Touching fingerprint sensor brought me to home screen. With the screen off, touching fingerprint sensor also unlocked and brought me to the home screen.
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I just called my phone from my work number and the fingerprint sensor unlocked. Phone was locked when I called it, I called my phone, swiped up to answer. While in the call I tapped the home button and was taken to the lock screen. Touching fingerprint sensor brought me to home screen. With the screen off, touching fingerprint sensor also unlocked and brought me to the home screen.
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well that's because you still have your home button..
I suppose this is more relative to those using gestures and hid their navbar...
I also did it with screen off, as I said, and it worked both ways.
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I also did it with screen off, as I said, and it worked both ways.
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wth , so i have a phone call ongoing, i place my finger on theFP sensor .
i swipe up to go home, nothing happens. , doesn't even ask me for a FP
masri1987 said:
wth , so i have a phone call ongoing, i place my finger on theFP sensor .
i swipe up to go home, nothing happens. , doesn't even ask me for a FP
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Try shutting the screen off first. I just tried again and with phone locked got a call and pressed sensor with screen on and nothing happened. Tap power first then touch sensor and it should unlock. I don't have gesture nav so I can't rest that part.
masri1987 said:
wth , so i have a phone call ongoing, i place my finger on theFP sensor .
i swipe up to go home, nothing happens. , doesn't even ask me for a FP
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What gesture app are you using. Some will pause themselves when the phone is locked. When you answer the phone while it's locked the app may have paused it's self so it's not really running. That's why your swipe up to go home is not working
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What gesture app are you using. Some will pause themselves when the phone is locked. When you answer the phone while it's locked the app may have paused it's self so it's not really running. That's why your swipe up to go home is not working
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Oneplus gestures app..
Also noticed it not working when google assistant is up either
Hi there
I just switched from a Asus Zenfone 5z which has a dedicated fingerprint sensor. So one touch and you ard on home screen.
Now the fingerprint sensor on Note 10 + is slow, also the fact that one has to first click the side key and then put the finger on the screen and seemingly wait for 2 sec.
It is nowhere near as fast as the zenfone 5z.
Have you guys got any better solution or idea to unlock it fast.
Thank you for your time.
NEERO said:
Hi there
I just switched from a Asus Zenfone 5z which has a dedicated fingerprint sensor. So one touch and you ard on home screen.
Now the fingerprint sensor on Note 10 + is slow, also the fact that one has to first click the side key and then put the finger on the screen and seemingly wait for 2 sec.
It is nowhere near as fast as the zenfone 5z.
Have you guys got any better solution or idea to unlock it fast.
Thank you for your time.
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You don't exactly have to turn on phone to use fingerprint reader.
If you know the position of fingerprint reader then putting your finger there would turn on and unlock phone. But that would be if you can get it on right position. If not it would tell you and then you can readjust as it will then show you.
Other option would be to have always on display and would show position of fingerprint reader.
You can also double tap to wake up phone as well. Then go through same process.
Hope some others could add more but these has been what I've found out with my usage.
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Enable the gesture "lift to wake"
Enable "always on display" so that you always see the finger print location.
What ever finger you use most for the finger print, scan it for 2 spots out of the 4 available. So I have my left thumb for 1, right pointer for 2, and right Thumb for 3 and 4. My right thumb is now always solidly fast.
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Enable the gesture "lift to wake"
Enable "always on display" so that you always see the finger print location.
What ever finger you use most for the finger print, scan it for 2 spots out of the 4 available. So I have my left thumb for 1, right pointer for 2, and right Thumb for 3 and 4. My right thumb is now always solidly fast.
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1. Please clarify : Do you mean to register the same right thumb twice to increase accuracy of the right thumb, as that is what I mostly use.
2. Currently always on display is set as tap to show.
Does making it always show have any significant reduction in battery.
And that you for your time, you are very helpfull.
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You don't exactly have to turn on phone to use fingerprint reader.
If you know the position of fingerprint reader then putting your finger there would turn on and unlock phone. But that would be if you can get it on right position. If not it would tell you and then you can readjust as it will then show you.
Other option would be to have always on display and would show position of fingerprint reader.
You can also double tap to wake up phone as well. Then go through same process.
Hope some others could add more but these has been what I've found out with my usage.
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Didn't even know that I had to just press the locked screen.
Also thank you for recommending the lift to wake up gesture, has increased the speed a lot.
Still wondering if I can use NFC to keep it unlocked as it is always kept on a phone stand.
Many thanks for your time.
NEERO said:
Didn't even know that I had to just press the locked screen.
Also thank you for recommending the lift to wake up gesture, has increased the speed a lot.
Still wondering if I can use NFC to keep it unlocked as it is always kept on a phone stand.
Many thanks for your time.
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You can use Smart lock Trusted places under settings-lock screen to keep phone unlocked. You just have to turn on phone then just swipe to go into phone without password but it will lock after a certain timeframe if not used.
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You can use Smart lock Trusted places under settings-lock screen to keep phone unlocked. You just have to turn on phone then just swipe to go into phone without password but it will lock after a certain timeframe if not used.
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I do know about Smart Lock but prefer not to use it as keeping the GPS on does feed the location data to other apps as well, not something I prefer to give away.
Thank you for the recommendation though.
You can register your face as well. It works really fast with lift to wake up gesture.
Smart lock can be used without GPS on, it uses a trusted wifi network to keep the phone unlocked or, if you have one a bluetooth speaker...
Don't need GPS at all...
Another vote for smart lock but with a wearable like a wear os watch. I pretty much never have to unlock my phone.
In case helpful to someone else, I enabled the increase touch sensitivity setting under Display settings and the fingerprint seems to work much quicker as I don't have to press down harder.
NEERO said:
1. Please clarify : Do you mean to register the same right thumb twice to increase accuracy of the right thumb, as that is what I mostly use.
2. Currently always on display is set as tap to show.
Does making it always show have any significant reduction in battery.
And that you for your time, you are very helpfull.
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#1 YES
#2 It's a 4300mah battery, the AOD doesn't even dent it.
Happy to help!
I have AOD set to always on, and it is super easy to unlock.
I pick up the phone, hold my thumb on the sensor and it is unlocked instantly. I don't see how it could get any better than that!
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Smart lock can be used without GPS on, it uses a trusted wifi network to keep the phone unlocked or, if you have one a bluetooth speaker...
Don't need GPS at all...
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Hi, I did turn it on after reading your post, enabled my location with GPS off and wifi connected but it doesn't work.
Is there anything special I need to do in this regard.
Thanks
sansnil said:
In case helpful to someone else, I enabled the increase touch sensitivity setting under Display settings and the fingerprint seems to work much quicker as I don't have to press down harder.
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Yes I turned ut on as well as the phone comes with a factory applied screen protector and that is what that setting seems to be for. Should have been on by default.
With the Face unlock you need to have some kind of primary unlock. After I have the Face Unlock, why is it asking for my pattern unlock? Sometimes I see the silly face and sometimes I see the lock
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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pbman1953 said:
With the Face unlock you need to have some kind of primary unlock. After I have the Face Unlock, why is it asking for my pattern unlock? Sometimes I see the silly face and sometimes I see the lock
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
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When is it asking for pattern unlock? If you are using for secure payments like Google Pay, it asks for pattern or fingerprint unlock as face unlock on 7T is not secure....Face unlock on 7T can only be used to unlock the device and nothing else...
Here's an example I just did. The phone is on my desk and dark. I picked up the phone, double tapped to wake the phone to the lock screen. I see the lock on the screen instead of the face icon
pbman1953 said:
Here's an example I just did. The phone is on my desk and dark. I picked up the phone, double tapped to wake the phone to the lock screen. I see the lock on the screen instead of the face icon
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Using your example, when I double tap the screen it awakens the ambient display, showing me the time and any notifications that are on the screen. Also, the fingerprint scanner is active and lit up. I believe this is the intended behavior. The double tap simply wakes the ambient display.
If you want face unlock to kick in, you should press the power button.
One Plus told to switch to a pin instead of a pattern and it seems to work better. But you suggestion of using the power button is also on par, Thanks!
This problem also frustrates me. The issue is that the time out for face unlock to search for a face is WAY TOO SHORT.