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Is this the highest?
http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/pmc.htm
Post links if you know of higher ones, thank you.
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There are 2.1A usb adapters, but I don't think microUSB can take advantage of it. The one you linked is a 1A, which is the same as the wall charger HTC gave with the phone. I'm currently using a 1A usb adapter in my truck.
Ok that's probably what I'm looking for then. Are there wall chargers greater than what came with the phone that I can take advantage of?
Your best bet would be to try the USB adapters made for iPads. The Apple products can utilize the 2.1A chargers with their sync cables, but I'm not sure if a microUSB cable can though. I have some 2.1A wallchargers from some of my Apple products, I'll test them later and let you know what I find out.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ryDetails&archetypeId=12299&accessoryId=46370
I just got an Enercell from Radio Shack with dual usbs. Max output is 2.5A divided between the two ports.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11329448
on sale now for only $14.99. Seems to be of good quality.
The Motorola rapid chargers rock.
Guys, unless you mod the usb adapter 5V spec, you aren't doing squat with a "high power" adapter. The device has an input impedence that will draw a certain amount of current at 5v., and that's it.
Standard battery: 1400 mAh
Time to charge: 4 hrs (according to manual)
That's 1400/4 = 350 mA.
Most adapters on the market spec more than that, they're usually 500 mA or above. And again, unless you boost the volts, you're not going to be able to push more than 350 mA or so.
So don't waste you're money.
On the other hand, if your going to share a car outlet with another device like mp3 or ipod, then yeah, you'll need a higher output, two port, adapter.
Edit: It just occurred to me that if you're using the phone heavily while charging, then yeah you may need more than 500 mA. My currrent widget shows the phone can draw another 250 mA or so during use. That plus the charge totals to around 600 mA. But depending upon design, the phone may not be able to pull in all 600 mA. A test with a current meter would be real interesting.
The charger shipped with the Thunderbolt is a 1 Amp charger.
If I use a 500 mA charger the Current Widget shows a +450mA charge current. However if I use the 1A charger, I get a charge current of about +850mA.
Given that the google navigation gobbles over 400mA when running, you need a car charger with greater than 500mA capacity of you want the phone to charge at the same time.
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boingboingbilly said:
The Motorola rapid chargers rock.
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Good to hear, I ordered one today for $11 on ebay. I had heard other people say they liked that one too.
Ecomaniac said:
Guys, unless you mod the usb adapter 5V spec, you aren't doing squat with a "high power" adapter. The device has an input impedence that will draw a certain amount of current at 5v., and that's it.
Standard battery: 1400 mAh
Time to charge: 4 hrs (according to manual)
That's 1400/4 = 350 mA.
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You're making the incorrect assumptions that the charging rate is constant, and charging is 100% efficient. Li-ion batteries can be charged at up to a 1C rate (i.e. 1.4A for a 1400 mA cell). Add the power drawn by the phone itself, and a 1.8 Amp charger might not be unreasonable (1.8 A is the specified limit for micro USB connectors). Whether the phone will actually do a maximum rate charge, I don't know.
This, from a TI Application Note (Google for SLAA287, board won't let me post links):
A Li-Ion battery charging process consists of three stages:
· Slow Charge: Pre-charging stage using current of 0.1C
· Fast Charge: Constant current charging stage using current of 1C
· Constant voltage charging stage
During the slow charge stage, the battery is charged with a constant low charge current of 0.1C, if the battery voltage is below 2.5V. The slow charge stage is rarely used during the charging process of a Li-Ion battery.
The fast charge (constant current) and constant voltage charging are the most important stages during a recharge process. Most Li-Ion batteries have a fully charged voltage of 4.1 or 4.2V.
The battery is first charged with a constant current of 1C until a battery voltage reaches 4.1 or 4.2V. The firmware continuously checks the charging current by sensing the voltage at the current sense resistor (Rsense) and
adjusts the duty cycle of PWM output from the MCU. The battery's voltage is checked frequently.
Whenever found the battery's voltage reaches 4.1 or 4.2V, the charger will switch to constant voltage charging mode. The battery is then charged with a constant voltage source at a fixed battery voltage of 4.1 or 4.2 V...When the charging current falls below 0.1C, the charging process must stop.
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Monoprice has Cig to USB(1A) chargers and the USB to Micro cables in multiple lengths(I ordered 6' ones) for far cheaper than you will find anywhere else
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You're making the incorrect assumptions that the charging rate is constant, and charging is 100% efficient. Li-ion batteries can be charged at up to a 1C rate (i.e. 1.4A for a 1400 mA cell). Add the power drawn by the phone itself, and a 1.8 Amp charger might not be unreasonable (1.8 A is the specified limit for micro USB connectors). Whether the phone will actually do a maximum rate charge, I don't know.
This, from a TI Application Note (Google for SLAA287, board won't let me post links):
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very useful, thanks!
walbuls said:
Monoprice has Cig to USB(1A) chargers and the USB to Micro cables in multiple lengths(I ordered 6' ones) for far cheaper than you will find anywhere else
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I second monoprice.
I tried bunch of cig to usb car charger and none matched advertised output... They all showed Charging (USB). I now use AC inverter and it charges just like a wall charger.
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I tried bunch of cig to usb car charger and none matched advertised output... They all showed Charging (USB). I now use AC inverter and it charges just like a wall charger.
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I suspect you need to find one which properly follows the USB Battery Charging Specification. That link is to the most recent version, which came out on 7Dec2010 (remember Pearl Harbor!). Version 1.1 is easier - a Dedicated Charging Port is indicated by shorting together the data lines (the two middle conductors on a full sized USB connector. By doing so, it indicates the device may try to draw up to 1.8 A of current (although a dedicated charging port is allowed to limit the current to less than that, it must provide at least 1.5 A).
I bought a cheap USB hub with 5 ports, used an exacto knife to cut the traces going to the data lines (the middle two) on all the ports, and then shorted them together on each port. It's now no longer a USB hub, but a USB charger with 5 ports I can used to charge stuff (phone and Bluetooth, quite often). The AC adapter which it came with does 2 Amps. My Thunderbolt says "Charging (AC)" when plugged into it.
So, if you can open up one of your adapters, just solder a jumper between the middle two contacts (make sure they're not connected to anything else).
Just got the Rocketfish premium microUSB at Best Buy and it has a captive coiled cord and a USB port. TBolt says "AC plugged" and reads +670 mA.
Good choice on the Motorola Rapid Charge - I've burned through 3 other cheap car chargers trying to keep my phone alive while using Google Nav and this is the first one to work!
i have the rapid motorola one on amazon
lippstuh said:
i have the rapid motorola one on amazon
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+1 Works great! Battery widget usually shows about +800mA while only charging. Real close to the wall charger
i.Sound Portable Charger
Has 16,000 mah
Input: 12V 1A
Output: '5V 2.1A on each connector 2.5 A together'
I charge a number of things on here...
A friend has me a bit confused saying this could damage the charging mechanisms of the phone.
Any input please?
Thanks
rockky said:
i.Sound Portable Charger
Has 16,000 mah
Input: 12V 1A
Output: '5V 2.1A on each connector 2.5 A together'
I charge a number of things on here...
A friend has me a bit confused saying this could damage the charging mechanisms of the phone.
Any input please?
Thanks
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Do u mean, you are giving the Galaxy Note an input of 5V, 2.1A (ie, output of Portable Charger)? if so, it is going to effect the battery life in long run..it may charge your phone faster, but definitely going to hurt the life of the battery..there are a lot of factors which should be considered like how much extra current you can give, temperature etc etc..
I don't think so: charging current is controlled by the device being charged, not the charger.
The Note will draw only ~700mA on an "AC" charger, even if that charger can supply up to 1A, 2A, etc.
On USB, it will draw ~500mA.
A mains/AC charger shorts the 2 data pins, which tells the phone that it's a dumb charger, not a USB host, and it is safe for the device to draw up to its own maximum (700mA for the Note).
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The corollary to that is that you shouldn't be able to shorten battery life by over-current charging: even with a 2A Nexus charger the Note draws only up to its maximum 700mA.
[I did just that test a moment ago to check: 725mA, on the 2A Nexus 7 charger]
Of course, 700mA is more than the 500mA it will draw from a USB host, so if you were really concerned, you could use that.
But the device ships with a mains/AC charger from which it will draw 700mA, so you're never going to exceed the "official" charger, whatever charging source you use.
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I don't think so: charging current is controlled by the device being charged, not the charger.
The Note will draw only ~700mA on an "AC" charger, even if that charger can supply up to 1A, 2A, etc.
On USB, it will draw ~500mA.
A mains/AC charger shorts the 2 data pins, which tells the phone that it's a dumb charger, not a USB host, and it is safe for the device to draw up to its own maximum (700mA for the Note).
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The corollary to that is that you shouldn't be able to shorten battery life by over-current charging: even with a 2A Nexus charger the Note draws only up to its maximum 700mA.
[I did just that test a moment ago to check: 725mA, on the 2A Nexus 7 charger]
Of course, 700mA is more than the 500mA it will draw from a USB host, so if you were really concerned, you could use that.
But the device ships with a mains/AC charger from which it will draw 700mA, so you're never going to exceed the "official" charger, whatever charging source you use.
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yes, though AFAIK the Note will draw more than 700mA from the OEM charger
and I have noticed charging speed differences by using different aftermarket chargers... never put a multimeter to them though
while charging the battery in the note is safe, I don't recommend plugging in your portable charger into a external battery charger. They may not protect the battery from overcurrent. Pay attention to all the specifications of all charging devices you use. Especially if you also have an aftermarket battery.
Cheers
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yes, though AFAIK the Note will draw more than 700mA from the OEM charger
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Are you sure? I didn't think that was the case; I could be wrong of course.
do you have any more details on that, please?
I have used many, many USB chargers: mains/AC, 12V, solar, portable battery, and never seen greater than ~700mA being drawn by the Note.
I'd like to know otherwise, for the odd occasion when i might want a really quick charge!
My friends point was that the i-sound charger would hurt not so much the battery but might damage the charging circuitry in the phone...course I learn this after buying this charger! ( I know its fine for nexus 7 and 10.1 tab).
Again its
Input: 12V 1A
Output: '5V 2.1A on each connector 2.5 A together'
rockky said:
My friends point was that the i-sound charger would hurt not so much the battery but might charging circuitry in the phone...course Ilearn this after buying this charger! ( I know its fine for nexus 7 and 10.1 tab).
Again its
Input: 12V 1A
Output: '5V 2.1A on each connector 2.5 A together'
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Yup, and I believe the answer is no: you cannot damage the Note's charging circuit by using a charger that has a higher *maximum* current, since the Note will only draw a current of (approx) 700mA regardless of the charger's maximum.
As an example of that, my test showing that the Note still only draws 725mA when connect to the Nexus 7 charger, which has a maximum charging current of 2A.
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Yup, and I believe the answer is no: you cannot damage the Note's charging circuit by using a charger that has a higher *maximum* current, since the Note will only draw a current of (approx) 700mA regardless of the charger's maximum.
As an example of that, my test showing that the Note still only draws 725mA when connect to the Nexus 7 charger, which has a maximum charging current of 2A.
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There was a mid on this site a really long time ago showing how shorting a specific connection in the usb cable will enable ac mode and this is supposedly what the oem charger does
guitarplayerone said:
There was a mid on this site a really long time ago showing how shorting a specific connection in the usb cable will enable ac mode and this is supposedly what the oem charger does
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yup, that's right: shorting the two data pins --- which most "dumb-charger spec" capable chargers do --- tells the Note that it's OK to pull its maximum ~700mA. But it won't pull any more than that even if it's a 2A charger.
Without that short, the Note will only pull the regular ~500mA (again, regardless of charger max current): it thinks it is connected to a standard USB host, which might not be able to supply > 500mA, e.g. a laptop motherboard.
If you have a >500mA charger that *doesn't* follow the dumb-charger spec, i.e. it doesn't short the data pins, e.g. possibly a Mac USB charger, then you can get a charge-only no-data USB cable, that has the data pins shorted internally (in the cable itself), which will achieve the same effect. This is the mod you describe above.
You probably should not use that cable with a regular USB host (although the host will probably just limit its current anyway).
[Macs use some proprietary "signalling" method, whereby differing value resistors are placed across the data pins, telling the device differing levels of current to pull, etc. This is why you'll see external battery packs like Anker Astro 3 having a "Samsung port" and also a "iPad port"; madness]
Finally, some Android kernels have a hack that will allow AC mode (e.g. 700mA on the Note) regardless of the data pins. But this isn't always wise, and so many devs won't touch it. It prob wouldn't bother the Note, but it might not be good for the host/charger.
Apologies for rambling on, but people seem to ask this sort of thing a lot...
yep people wantblong battery life and fast charge.
About time a proper fuel cell is introduced
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Most of this is over my head
So bottom line: charging my note with the i-Sound charger described in the OP will NOT damage my new Note , correct?
Tnx
rockky said:
Most of this is over my head
So bottom line: charging my note with the i-Sound charger described in the OP will NOT damage my new Note , correct?
Tnx
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I believe that's correct; I would not hesitate to use it.
As someone else stated, however: whilst charging in the phone should be safe, since the phone controls the current, taking the battery out and charging it in a standalone battery charger may not be safe.
rockky said:
Most of this is over my head
So bottom line: charging my note with the i-Sound charger described in the OP will NOT damage my new Note , correct?
Tnx
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Yes, that's correct. Generally, just make sure the voltage is not too high (or too low). The range of 4.7V to 5V should be OK, since there is some allowance for variations. The current ( ie, the Amperes) only indicates the current the charger is capable of supplying. It doesn't mean the charger will force all that current down the battery's throat. The device/battery will draw as much as it needs, and this will not damage the device or battery whether it's 0.5A or 2A.
need a quick help here. i accidentally left my charger at work overnight, and someone decided that its his/her's now ....ive searched around and cant find place to buy the original charger that came with the m8. HTC's website doesnt have it. amazon doesnt. even ebay dont carry it.
i need of a charger. currently using a LG G2 charger thats rated 1.8a 5v .....but with a super slow cable.
is the LG charger okay to use? will it damage my m8 in the long run?
i am also buying this cable on amazon. buy or dont buy?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Universal-5-Feet-Charging-Smartphones/dp/B009OP8KCM/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1401167720&sr=8-1&keywords=quick+charge+micro+usb+cable
yes, i know there is a quickcharge 2.0 coming out. seeing as the cable is only $5 ...im thinking it will do for now.
thanks in advance
HTC charger outputs 5V and 1.5A. As long as output voltage is same, you can use different chargers. Ampere value just affects charging time. Higher ampere means faster charge. In long term, it can shorten your battery's life, but I don't think 0.3A can cause an observable affect
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HTC charger outputs 5V and 1.5A. As long as output voltage is same, you can use different chargers. Ampere value just affects charging time. Higher ampere means faster charge. In long term, it can shorten your battery's life, but I don't think 0.3A can cause an observable affect
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thanks. ordering now
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thanks. ordering now
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I use all sorts of chargers. They are pretty much standard now as far as micro usb goes. As said some are higher rated some are lower. I don't think there is any that will damage the phone as long as its designed for charging and is 5v.
I too use multiple chargers and cables and the only issue I've had is a double length cable that works for charging but won't allow connections to the pc
XDA app on m8 running venom
I charger capable of delivering more current will not damage your phone since the phone won't draw more current than it wants.
Is there any problem in not using the travel adapter for appropriate output (1.8A, 5V) instead directly charging with USB cable to an output of 2.1A, 5V?
Yes, you can use an adapter that puts out 5 Volts at 2.1 amps instead of the LG charger that came with the phone.
jobella said:
Yes, you can use an adapter that puts out 5 Volts at 2.1 amps instead of the LG charger that came with the phone.
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Will the extra Ampere(ie. 2.1A) cause any battery burning or damage? I'm using the dual SIM variant that doesn't support Quick Charging. Model Number: H818P.
No, the phone will only draw as much current as it needs. The power supply can't force more current through than the phone wants to accept.
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No, the phone will only draw as much current as it needs. The power supply can't force more current through than the phone wants to accept.
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What if as a contradictory case I'm plugging it to an output of just 1A, 5V?
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What if as a contradictory case I'm plugging it to an output of just 1A, 5V?
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The phone will charge at a much slower rate at 1A. It's even possible that the phone will slowly discharge at 1A, especially if you are using/playing with the phone.
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The phone will charge at a much slower rate at 1A. It's even possible that the phone will slowly discharge at 1A, especially if you are using/playing with the phone.
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So, no problem for battery?
Seriously considering this phone, but there are a few aspects that are putting me off, one of those being the proprietary charge protocol.
With so many devices in the house, I currently have a 5 port Anker desk charger, and really don't want to be restricted to the Huawei charger to get anything better than "slow charging".
Has anyone tested charging using a third party multi-port desk charger and found fast charge 2A charge working? Has anyone tried USB PD via a USB-C port?
Also, please share experience of third party multi-port chargers that will NOT supply 2A charging so that we can rule out models.
Stu C said:
Seriously considering this phone, but there are a few aspects that are putting me off, one of those being the proprietary charge protocol.
With so many devices in the house, I currently have a 5 port Anker desk charger, and really don't want to be restricted to the Huawei charger to get anything better than "slow charging".
Has anyone tested charging using a third party multi-port desk charger and found fast charge 2A charge working? Has anyone tried USB PD via a USB-C port?
Also, please share experience of third party multi-port chargers that will NOT supply 2A charging so that we can rule out models.
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I'm currently using choetech 3 ports wall charger. Maximum it could provide is 1.8A. Not quite as fast but fully charged within 2 hours. Good enough for me.
pijes said:
I'm currently using choetech 3 ports wall charger. Maximum it could provide is 1.8A. Not quite as fast but fully charged within 2 hours. Good enough for me.
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Does the charger provide the full 1.8A charge? You can check using this app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
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Does the charger provide the full 1.8A charge? You can check using this app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
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Yes, that's how I know it's charging at 1.8A. But I don't really check the charge when it reaches something like 70-80%.