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As a pre-order Note 7 customer who never received one due to the Recall Farce I can outright state I am still a happy, content user of my now over 2 years old Note 4.
I was extremely upset at never getting a Note 7, but my point is, with all the other options being spouted out on these forums, iPhone 7, Pixel, V20, Mate 9 Porsche, Xiaomi Mi Note 2, S7 Edge I am so SOO happy I held off.
Why?
Because the rumors of the new Galaxy S8, and even Note 8, are just too exciting, and to all those who rushed in to a new 24 month locked in contract they may end up wishing they waited. I was so close to doing so with the S7 Edge, but kept telling myself, be patient!
The main points pushing me to sign a new contract were twofold, I have £50 Store Credit with Carphone Warehouse and the resale value of my current Note 4 is STILL very much of significance.
Who else is happy they waited and are excited about the new S8?
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Considering I am still using my note 7, I am waiting till the s8 comes out or the note 8 before I turn this in. The only way they will get me to come in is if they deactivate it.
I'm waiting until they tell us how they are going to take care of us. I'm guessing they never will, so until then, I'll take advantage of them like they've done to me.
Like a few others on here I got mine sim free direct from Samsung UK using their 'Upgrade on finance' deal they were doing (£31 per month x 24 + 10% deposit). I still have N7#2 (on 100% battery thanks to early version of Package Disabler Pro) and intend to keep using it until the N8 comes out. As per the original Samsung deal, I return the N7 for the next version come next summer/autumn or whenever the next Note is out.
If they succeed in having me return the N7 before then I get a refund of any monies paid and we just start again when the N8 appears.
I cant imagine using Big Ass note 4 or 5, laugh!!
It is absolutely normal to get that feeling OP but is it really worth it? As you will be missing out on certain stage and the experience. There will always be a phone newer than yours. With your future s8 or note8 you will still go through exactly same experience as you mention before. In my opinion nothing changes. Note8 will also get old.
Note 7 to me is the crim de la crim. There is nothing about the phone that i don't like. It has it all. (if note 8 will be better, im sure ill wish i had it.)
Tiny bezels,
Curved screen(yes once you go curve its hard to go back)
Wireless fast charge(Super important. My future phones will always wireless)
Quick access camera button.
Big display(never will I go for 5.5) (S7 Edge look tiny) and Note 4 looks like a tanks compared to N7
Waterproof (piece of mind )
Awesome Display(which is one of the big features of Samsung for me)
Many, many other features that i don't want to mention as the aboves ones are enough to have glued to this phone and not want any other.
I thought about Pixel and V20 but those don't have what note 7 has therefore the phone is not for me.
I hope to keep the phone at very least till Note8 comes out. May be longer. (depending what N8 will have over N7) I usually change my phones every year tho but ill be happy keeping this one till N9. If possible.
Me too, I still use mine every day. See quite a few others around my job doing the same. I'll turn it in when they release the S8 or whatever comes next.
Like I have said many times on this forum, I really believe there is nothing wrong with this phone. The first batch, yeah, something was awry. But the second batch looks fine to me. This really had to do with perception. Once a second batch phone had a problem, Samsung had no choice. Whereas with most phones a simple battery fire wouldn't have been an issue, given the debacle with the first batch, Sammy would've been sued badly should any more of the 2nd batch phones lit up.
The last I heard, like 10% haven't returned their phones, so that means many, many thousands are still out there. And no reports of fire. Trust me, the media would be all over a fire caused by a user that failed to return their phone.
Just my opinion of course, your mileage may vary.
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Still mad I can't root though...Messed around and took the update. I was going to have them exchange, but then the recall happened. I'm fugged on that front...oh well.
Yes, actually I am also using my faithful old Note4. Waiting for next Samsung goodies, preferably with s-pen.
pinetreehater said:
The last I heard, like 10% haven't returned their phones, so that means many, many thousands are still out there. And no reports of fire. Trust me, the media would be all over a fire caused by a user that failed to return their phone.
Just my opinion of course, your mileage may vary.
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The is a very fair point. Even with say 5 or 10% of the phones out there, we'd expect to see incidents continuing to be reported albeit at a reduced rate. Yet there is no such news, and I like you I would think it would be big news not to be missed by the media. And yet, silence.
That said, I was happy to take the risk anyway, but unfortunately I am not happy to live with a phone that has no updates for 2 years and which doesn't work with my GearVR, so I will have to return it at some point.
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The is a very fair point. Even with say 5 or 10% of the phones out there, we'd expect to see incidents continuing to be reported albeit at a reduced rate. Yet there is no such news, and I like you I would think it would be big news not to be missed by the media. And yet, silence.
That said, I was happy to take the risk anyway, but unfortunately I am not happy to live with a phone that has no updates for 2 years and which doesn't work with my GearVR, so I will have to return it at some point.
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The story with the "thief's" Note7 exploding last week got quite a bit of coverage last week?
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The is a very fair point. Even with say 5 or 10% of the phones out there, we'd expect to see incidents continuing to be reported albeit at a reduced rate. Yet there is no such news, and I like you I would think it would be big news not to be missed by the media. And yet, silence.
That said, I was happy to take the risk anyway, but unfortunately I am not happy to live with a phone that has no updates for 2 years and which doesn't work with my GearVR, so I will have to return it at some point.
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Updates to me are over rated. I always freeze the OTA apk's as soon as I get my phone and root it. Unless there is some huge benefit to upgrading (which I have never seen yet in about 9 years of owning android phones), I just keep my phone how it is once I root and lock in my ROM. Usually I go with a stock based ROM that someone on XDA has made and just stick with that.
As far as the N7, one can root and then from there you can do changes to make the Gear VR work. You can even use an old IMEI from a previous phone you owned and use that on the N7 if you really wanted (from what I have read - I have not done that). So if one really wanted to keep their N7, they could root and then do all of these things and still use it for a long time. I suspect there will be more people than we think who end up doing this and using their N7 until the N8 or similar option is available.
As of now, the N7 is still working 100% as it is supposed to on Verizon for me. I disabled all OTA apk's right away with package disabler, so my phone has never been updated. Unless Verizon and other carriers start blacklisting IMEI's, I will continue to use mine unless and viable option becomes available. I have been close to swapping for an S7 edge, but am going to wait and see what deals come out for it on Black friday and for the holiday season. If the deals are good enough I may yet just take my $100 I get for turning in my N7 and get the discounted S7. I can use that until either the S8 comes out, or even until the N8. I can always give my S7 to my girlfriend (she may be my wife by then) if/when I upgrade. Those are the options I am looking at right now. Happily using my N7 until the decision is either forced upon me or it seems the right time to turn it in and get the S7.
I'm very keen on an S8 though, especially if there's any chance of a 4k screen, which would make some VR experiences simply incredible - not that they are not already.
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Updates to me are over rated. I always freeze the OTA apk's as soon as I get my phone and root it. Unless there is some huge benefit to upgrading (which I have never seen yet in about 9 years of owning android phones), I just keep my phone how it is once I root and lock in my ROM. Usually I go with a stock based ROM that someone on XDA has made and just stick with that.
As far as the N7, one can root and then from there you can do changes to make the Gear VR work. You can even use an old IMEI from a previous phone you owned and use that on the N7 if you really wanted (from what I have read - I have not done that). So if one really wanted to keep their N7, they could root and then do all of these things and still use it for a long time. I suspect there will be more people than we think who end up doing this and using their N7 until the N8 or similar option is available.
As of now, the N7 is still working 100% as it is supposed to on Verizon for me. I disabled all OTA apk's right away with package disabler, so my phone has never been updated. Unless Verizon and other carriers start blacklisting IMEI's, I will continue to use mine unless and viable option becomes available. I have been close to swapping for an S7 edge, but am going to wait and see what deals come out for it on Black friday and for the holiday season. If the deals are good enough I may yet just take my $100 I get for turning in my N7 and get the discounted S7. I can use that until either the S8 comes out, or even until the N8. I can always give my S7 to my girlfriend (she may be my wife by then) if/when I upgrade. Those are the options I am looking at right now. Happily using my N7 until the decision is either forced upon me or it seems the right time to turn it in and get the S7.
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Similar to bow I run Windows 7 in lieu of 10. I don't need "updates". The thing works fine as is, "security updates" are a farce. On Windows 7 I never update and in all of 6 years I have had a "security issue". Ever.
I broke down after they crippled me with the 60% battery, sucks, i didnt want to go back to my s4 which i had for 3.5 years so ordered Note 4 edge from ebay, hope to have it by Monday and also hope nothing wrong with it lol. Plan on atleast using that for the next year til the S8 plus or whatever they want to call the new NOTE is comes out and is SAFELY on the market for a FEW MONTHS before i jump on it lol, not dealing with returning phones again!!
Hi all,
I would like to buy a Pixel XL 1st generation for an older family member whose Windows phone has died.
My main concern is the Pixel will only be supported with one more year of software update and two more years of security update.
Do you think Google will stop all software support for the Pixel after 2019, or there is a chance that Google will continue to patch the phone with security updates?
My main reason for choosing the Pixel XL over iPhone 6s Plus for similar price is the family member lives in another country, and it seems I can remotely take over the phone using software like Teamviwer for support much easier on Android than iOS. However, Apple does updates their phones longer than Android manufacturers.
I would be grateful for any input and experiences of members had similar conundrum.
Many thanks.
Bigmille said:
Hi all,
I would like to buy a Pixel XL 1st generation for an older family member whose Windows phone has died.
My main concern is the Pixel will only be supported with one more year of software update and two more years of security update.
Do you think Google will stop all software support for the Pixel after 2019, or there is a chance that Google will continue to patch the phone with security updates?
My main reason for choosing the Pixel XL over iPhone 6s Plus for similar price is the family member lives in another country, and it seems I can remotely take over the phone using software like Teamviwer for support much easier on Android than iOS. However, Apple does updates their phones longer than Android manufacturers.
I would be grateful for any input and experiences of members had similar conundrum.
Many thanks.
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I guess I wouldnt see them adding a lot of support for a phone that is 3+ years old. I got my dad an iPhone 7+ just because I thought that would be easier to use for him since he never touches a computer etc and he came from a flip phone. If the person has an idea how to mess around with a smart phone the Pixel XL would be just fine I think.
Even if updates ended tomorrow the phone would still be fine for most people and last for many years until battery dies. Fancy Bear won't be going after your grandma.
My parents use a Nexus 7 tablet, and my mum has a Moto G4, I went with the idea, the closest to stock will be easier for them to use. They rarely have an issue, it's only when certain apps give ads about battery booster or your battery is damaged, you know the ads that are clearly bull**** that they run things by me.
If Google made a cheap enough tablet like the Nexus 7 again, I'd snap three up, one for each of them and then one for myself.
Most non tech savvy people will not notice nor care if the phone ever get updates. I would be far more concerned with the learning curve of going from windows phone to android than updates.
Galaxy s8 because of it's "easy mode" big large icons easy to read text look it up. Or s7
Bigmille said:
Hi all,
I would like to buy a Pixel XL 1st generation for an older family member whose Windows phone has died.
My main concern is the Pixel will only be supported with one more year of software update and two more years of security update.
Do you think Google will stop all software support for the Pixel after 2019, or there is a chance that Google will continue to patch the phone with security updates?
My main reason for choosing the Pixel XL over iPhone 6s Plus for similar price is the family member lives in another country, and it seems I can remotely take over the phone using software like Teamviwer for support much easier on Android than iOS. However, Apple does updates their phones longer than Android manufacturers.
I would be grateful for any input and experiences of members had similar conundrum.
Many thanks.
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Yes, it would be a good choice. The screen is vivid and clear and there are Accessibility options to fiddle with
in case the print is too small. Easy to create desktop icons for most actions so they don't have to search.
Yes, I think Pixel will do just fine. They likely won't care about platform updates and will get security updates for 2 years
The last several posts in this subforum have gone with no replies and some have been up for quite awhile. I have also noticed on other subforums in this forum that it has been quite some time since the most recent posts. I understand that the ability to root and modify is a bit difficult with these but there are still common issues being discussed that have nothing to do with rooting or modding.
It seems like the Verizon Note 8 has reached the end of life and it may be time to move to something different. What is everyone's thoughts on this?
mikeyk101 said:
The last several posts in this subforum have gone with no replies and some have been up for quite awhile. I have also noticed on other subforums in this forum that it has been quite some time since the most recent posts. I understand that the ability to root and modify is a bit difficult with these but there are still common issues being discussed that have nothing to do with rooting or modding.
It seems like the Verizon Note 8 has reached the end of life and it may be time to move to something different. What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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I think it's pretty much reached it's EOL and some of us are just still helping out where we can but I doubt that there's much if at all any work for root or other modifications going on.
WOW can't believe such a popular phone could have so little Dev Interest?
Just Got a cheap refurbished one that came unlocked but if there's no support I should return it.
What other decent rootable phones are there with great dev support?
amppcguru said:
WOW can't believe such a popular phone could have so little Dev Interest?
Just Got a cheap refurbished one that came unlocked but if there's no support I should return it.
What other decent rootable phones are there with great dev support?
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That kind of happens because everyone wants the latest greatest phone and they just move on pretty quickly.. I'm guilty of doing that myself because every time a new phones out I have to have it lol .
I just fixed my phone
My Verizon note 8 had a broken screen, a broken back panel, and only 80% of the original battery capacity. My Gear S3's had a battery drain issue, so I went to a Samsung repair center to get both fixed. I really don't like this smartphone consumerism because a high-end smartphone like Note 8 should have a life span that is similar to a laptop. I may get an Android 12 phone soon because my Note 8's Android 9 is becoming too old. I really don't want to spend money for a new phone because my Note 8 still runs very smoothly.
realIK17 said:
I just fixed my phone
I really don't like this smartphone consumerism because a high-end smartphone like Note 8 should have a life span that is similar to a laptop. I may get an Android 12 phone soon because my Note 8's Android 9 is becoming too old. I really don't want to spend money for a new phone because my Note 8 still runs very smoothly.
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I fully agree -- I'm incredibly disappointed to find that this phone that I've had for 3+ years, still in flawless condition, will soon basically lose functionality for newer applications.
It's more powerful than some smartphones being released today, the camera is fantastic, and I just want to root it and get some extra life out of it. Android 9 is so old by phone standards at this point, and this phone is entirely too capable to be stuck on an obsolete OS like that.
It's crap like this that is driving me away from Samsung -- my last several phones were Samsung, all of my TVs are Samsung (some have the same EOL issue with not receiving updates anymore, others work flawlessly -- funny enough, the older Smart TVs seem to work better than the "newer" ones I have).
Contemplating buying an iPhone 12 Pro Max so hard right now.
I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
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Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.
MArtyChubbs said:
I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
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I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself
I'll say the same thing I said in another thread...
The Pixel 6 is a new platform on new hardware. There are going to be teething issues. Expecting perfection isn't realistic. Google has been using Snapdragon SoC's since the Nexus 4, and this is their first foray using their own hardware. When Apple introduced the A7 in the iPhone 5S, they had the same problem - a lot of stability and feature issues.
Remember that OEMs have to make compromises in order to get everything they want into a reasonable package. Bigger battery means less space for the electronics, and heat becomes a bigger problem. Bigger display and more powerful processor means more battery drain. With handheld devices, weight and size are significant issues as well.
If you want stability, there are other OEMs to choose from that are sticking to established hardware - such as Samsung, using both Qualcomm and their own Exynos systems. The Pixel series has been pretty solid up to this point, so while the 6 and 6 Pro have certainly had a lot of issues, the next generation will be improved, as will the next after that, and so on.
When you buy a Pixel, it's for vanilla Android with the Google experience. Don't expect much more than that.
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
Nekromantik said:
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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Probably the same reason stupid challenges trend on social media?
jayr04 said:
Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.
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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.
bouchigo said:
I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself
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Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
A large part of Google's problem is that they are also control freaks. They want to push their cloud services at all costs even if it conflicts with the customer's best interests. They learned that from MS.
Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?
Nekromantik said:
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.
I got a P6 Pro at launch and I haven't had any major issues or bugs. I'm on Dec update and I think I experienced the network drop thing only twice. I restarted my phone and everything was back to normal.
No other issues though..
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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.
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i was on s21 ultra and switch to pixel6 pro if iam kinda sad? yes definetly and iam not big fan of samsung but compare to p6 pro samsung was way better
I bought the unlocked version, and I've had no problems to speak of. My former daily driver was an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Been switching my VZ SIM back and forth to see which one I'll stick with.
blackhawk said:
Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
A large part of Google's problem is that they are also control freaks. They want to push their cloud services at all costs even if it conflicts with the customer's best interests. They learned that from MS.
Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?
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My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.
Somebody other has problem with photo quality and strange artifacts? Here look in bright part ....pls dont be a stupid and dont say its becouse saturation or something photo is normal standard photo with no setup right from camera
I'm on Dec build in UK (not sure if that makes a difference but O2 network), I have had small teething issues but nothing like some of the major bugs that have been mentioned. Are we using different variants or something?
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My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.
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Please no!
bobby janow said:
I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.
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He's got 15.2 million subscribers on YouTube. But I agree with you. You would think Google put a little more resources behind it, especially with their big marketing push.
I have a typo and almost every single sentence when doing voice dictation. Maybe I have a stroke happening and my speech is the issue but I'm heavily dependent on it and have been relying on it for years without a problem.
It's just one of the many bugs I'm dealing with, but by no means the end of the world... I ran the A12 betas on my 4XL and it was a rather good experience. Basically all the new features I use specific to the 6pro are broken. I'm hoping that January will be our lucky month
The only issue I have is a bluetooth audio streaming. I need to reconnect it one or two times to make it work.
yeah my second Pixel 6 pro went back to google yesterday, I have had issues with both 6 pro`s I have had, so I`m back to my 9 pro for now. guess wait and see what happens with the S22 ultra or the 10 pro.
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
(just for recapitulation and to bring you up to speed in case you are not aware: The "new" Pixel 6 will only receive 3 major OS updates)
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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Morgrain said:
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
bouchigo said:
I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
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Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
skoda9635 said:
Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
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I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
bouchigo said:
I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
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It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also a reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
Morgrain said:
It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also the reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
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This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
bouchigo said:
This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
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Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
zetsumeikuro said:
I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
zetsumeikuro said:
I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
Flawn said:
I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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I doubt it a bit.
Google has gotten stingy in the most recent years.
They took away Google Photos unlimited storage.
They took away Pixels unlimited upload.
They now force people to swallow several ads before EVERY Youtube video, an obvious attempt to push Youtube Premium subscriptions (Vanced for life).
They took away several GCam features and locked it behind Google One.
Google One itself is a good example, since Google is pushing their "pay us if you want something" hard.
Once, Google offered most its services for free and kept itself floating through ads revenue.
Now? They want BOTH monthly subscriptions AND ads revenue. They went greedy. Maybe they will cave in under the pressure... but that would require GREAT pressure. That would require that even the self-centered ones that do not see the immediate benefit to themselves ("I only use my phone for 2 years, why should I care") begin to voice such a claim.
Morgrain said:
It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
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That's good to know that the older hardware is now holding it's own compared to the devices that I listed. I haven't kept any of my older pixels as I passed them on or traded them in. I'm all for devices having a longer shelf life to keep them out of landfills and reduce electronic waste. That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
Flawn said:
I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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Indeed, would be great for those that plan on keeping the devices for longer than two years.
zetsumeikuro said:
That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
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I appreciate iphone but I don't think longevity of updates is why they keep their value, at least not a big part of it. I think the building of the brand into something synonymous with luxury is what got it it's staying power when it comes to retaining cost.
Better customer support is also a huge factor.
But android as an ecosystem needs more than multiple years of updates to get to that point.
If anything the hugest element is the fact that there isn't a physical building I can go to with people trained to know my device in and out. Apple has that, the apple store itself is an experience. While we scrounge on message boards and get first lvl call center techs telling me to reboot my phone while they diddle on their iphone.
There is a store out there my grandma can just walk into and hand her phone off to someone that actually knows about that device.
I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
I mean why
Mikulec said:
I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
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I mean why not. You want customers, you provide incentives for people to choose your product over another. It's not like it's hurting anyone to expect a company to stay competitive.
I see nothing wrong with consumers leveraging purchase power. And it's not like retroactively increasing the support lifetime is unheard of.
Who gives a squat about OS updates when they can't even get 12 right?
You almost need a minor in Entomology to keep track of the bugs. Their engineers might learn something if they followed critical path analysis of the possible effects undetected software errors may have and accept those with little impact and not let errors pass that could brick a phone. Similar to the best practices aviation engineers follow to certify aircraft software per DO-178C.
Offering as long term software support as possible is of course a good thing but think about the battery. As currently there are no phones from top class with easily changeable battery do you think that after 3 years or more this phone will be usable if you charge it every day (which most users do)? My previous experience shows that i never kept phone for more than 3 years and on average i buy new one after just 2 years.
There is also one more thing to consider and it is when you will receive the promised updates. Google always releases the new android early (around october) and for all devices simultaneously. Other manufacturers usually update their current flagship relatively fast before the end of year but the other models can get it even as late as spring or summer of next year.
Of course if google could provide 5 years of major android upgrades this would be great but the current policy of 3 major upgrades plus 2 more years of security updates is something with which i was aware when i bought the phone and is good enough for me personally.
Morgrain said:
Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
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I'm only replying to the very first portion of your post, since that is all that really concerns me.
I'm sure the person getting the phone (who will be 7 years old at that point) won't mind. She will just use it to play games and watch YouTube. By the time she is done with it (it will be a 4-5 year old phone) the battery will be trash, and time for a new phone.
Just like I accepted that I see how it could be beneficial to some to have updates/OS upgrades for longer, you should accept that others don't require that, nor should they have to just because you believe it's "necessary".
If later I want updates for a longer period of time, maybe I will switch to Samsung...ah, no I won't And if the value of the phone is less when I go to sell it, or trade it in, then so be it.
I never got people arguing against folks requesting more support or more options.
Especially when the main point of contention is "well I don't need it". A mass produced consumer product fortunely needs to address the needs of a wide range of users. Not just one person that doesn't care because the added support won't benefit them.
It's not hard to not personally need something yet appreciate why someone else might benefit. I've literally never used phone insurance. Doesn't mean I don't understand why someone might want or need it.
As I've made known my opinion in the past, anytime there's a discussion about what Google doesn't do with their Pixels that they conceivably could, I always suspect Samsung strong-arming Google behind the scenes. "You want to use our chips? You want us to make your CPU? You want to buy the screen from us? Here's the list of things we require (besides money), and here is the list of components we're willing to sell you."
Complete speculation on my part, but I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion. It would certainly answer a lot of questions of "why".