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Best battery life and performance.

Hey all. Just wanted to get some input on getting the best bang for your buck when it comes to battery life. Though I've never been one for task killers and battery saver apps, recently I've been testing out a few different apps. Avast (uninstalled as I've never seen the need for anti virus on Android personally), Battery Doctor, CleanMate (I think It was called) and a few other battery saver apps. However, I cant seem to come to a conclusion on whether they help or hinder. Or if I'm even using them right.
The thing is they all seem to tell me different, conflicting info so I can't really make heads or tails out of it. They all seem to tell me different apps are running in the background and all suggest I do different things like kill apps, clear cache, free up memory, etc. What I have always used is system panel to kill a malfunctioning app if needed, cachemate, and SetCPU to underclock when the device is not in use. Now I am on a stock ROM with root and dont have a kernel that supports over/under clocking.
So I was just wondering what any of you guys to to both increase performance and save battery. Some kind of balancing act. And I don't want my experience to suffer, ex- I like my screen bright so am not going to turn it down to 30%. Stuff like that. I am kind of with the thinking that I should just use my tablet and let the system do its own thing, but then I kinda get that ocd thing going and want to have total control. So anyway, would love to hear what you guys think and use. Also, i would love love love to try out tasker but am unemployed and broke so that cant happen anytime soon. Thanks.
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Out of curiosity, how long does your Note 8.0 last?

You know, I couldn't really tell you right now. I inherited it from a friend about a week ago. He thought it was bricked and junk. I just loaded up some stock firmware, rooted it and since it's new to me I have been playing around with it lots so haven't experienced "normal use" yet. I wasn't really asking because I thought the battery was bad, but I just like to have total control and wondered what everyone was doing these days. I used to be big in the android scene, as a power user not a dev or anything, but have been out of the game for awhile. So far the battery seems to be really good when it's on standby or say if I have spotify running or netflix or playing an audiobook. But it seems to drain pretty fast when im using it more actively- emailing, switching to facebook, switching to internet etc. Again, I'm not really having battery problems, and it's a new tablet to me, but I just wanna stay ahead of the game. Sorry I can't give you any numbers right now, but I'm sure you understand.
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Do a search about battery.. there are a dozen threads in the Q&A thread.
I am a minimalist and don't like any so claimed Battery Booster, Battery Enhancer, or Battery Calibrator apps that are all over the google play apps site. Most of the time I leave power saver on, and have most all sync settings and apps set to automatically update and poll info and retrieve email. As I do not like to jump through hoops to get some thing to operate as expected.
Security 360 does a great job with antivirus and memory consumption with apps. You may think that you may not need an Antivirus, but this one thoroughly checks apps if you decide to turn off Google's app checking, or use private party apps from forums or developers linking them to sites.
I use Xposed framework, mainly because of the ability to turn off functions without needing to install a custom ROM. I have been there done that and am not impressed with custom ROM of any type, over stock.
Turning off DVFS, thumbnail cache, and leaving Boost Mode alone as it is defaulted off... Is my primary setting with Winam Xposed module.
I use the app Greenify, Substrate, and its experimental plugin to Xposed. It has some nice features to complement Security 360.
Since Google has corrected some issues with some of its apps, and a few other apps have updated recently. I get 2% drain with 12 hours of standby.
Also under normal use, I get 8 to 9% drain per hour, and 6% per hour browsing.
For speed improvements, I have a 633X SD card that has been tested around 93MB/S and 44MB/s write on my laptop, there are some rated double but are about less in real life performance.
I use TweaksterMod Pro from my past custom ROM experiences, only to boost read a head cache to double the default. This only helps with super fast SD cards, the slower the SD card or having congested internal RAM the boost must be greatly increased.
With online video and media, I get about 12% per hour drain doing both streaming and miracasting to tv.
GT-N5110 & GT-N5120 - 64GB 633x on board, Status Official on SafeRooted OEM ROMs with Wanam Xposed and RootCloak. The only way to fly 8+ hours!
This badboy don't play with Play & Triangle away!

update to 4.4.2 and battery calibrate resulted in 30hr+ battery life
good to read from you andr0id23 and gooberdude. I'm a little sensitive from my battery. since I bought two n5100 for me and my sister,I compare them in many aspects like performance,physical keys (volume,home,..) quality,battery life,... first I thought there's a problem with my battery.I used to test a lot of apps (some you mentioned,battery doctor,task killer,clean master,..) on my 4.1.2 stock ROM.the result was disappointing. my note hardly lasted for 8 hours with normal use (browsing,email checking,no games).it was better on my sister's tablet.
so I updated to 4.4.2 stock rom. things were like before UNTIL i did a battery calibrate.using a method almost like this link.by deleting battery stats after full charge.
I've attached the result.
notice that i have done a full wipe before update and i don't have that tones of app from 4.1.2.only the stock bloatwares and 25 harmless apps and games.this is the best result.the battery was so stubborn to live on its last 3 percent. approximately 3 hours on 1 present and the turned off.

misunderstanding some terms
gooberdude you made it nice but I just didn't get some of these thing you said.would you please explain more?
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Turning off DVFS, thumbnail cache, and leaving Boost Mode alone as it is defaulted off... Is my primary setting with Winam Xposed module.
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which modules did you used and what is DVFS,boost mode
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I use the app Greenify, Substrate, and its experimental plugin to Xposed. It has some nice features to complement Security 360.
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what is substrate
gooberdude said:
GT-N5110 & GT-N5120 - 64GB 633x on board, Status Official on SafeRooted OEM ROMs with Wanam Xposed and RootCloak. The only way to fly 8+ hours!
This badboy don't play with Play & Triangle away!
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can you link me to the safe rooting note 8 OP please?why dont u use google play and triangle away.
sorry for lots of question.I googled them before asking but I gained not a good result.some leaded to good result like RootCloak.
thanks in advance.

norits021 said:
gooberdude you made it nice but I just didn't get some of these thing you said.would you please explain more?
which modules did you used and what is DVFS,boost mode
what is substrate
can you link me to the safe rooting note 8 OP please?why dont u use google play and triangle away.
sorry for lots of question.I googled them before asking but I gained not a good result.some leaded to good result like RootCloak.
thanks in advance.
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OK, if you rooted...
I recommend getting Xposed Framework installed, then install Wanam Exposed. It has a ton of mods to adjust about anything. Though depending on model and firmware, some stuff wont work.
If you want minimal... you can get Wanam Disable DVFS... Samsung's Touchwiz has a feature to assist with games called Dynamic Voltage File System. It seems to be the root of the evil with samsung devices. Google has made it clear that battery calibration tools don't do anything to calibrate the battery. By clearing the battery stats file, all you are doing is a temporary patch. DVFS does not play well with Androids battery stats, and corrupts the data for stats, thus giving bad battery status. Once DVFS is disabled, android will properly calibrate the status of the battery. It may take a few charge cycles or manual deletion of the battery stats file and a reboot.
Again if you root, you may want to add RootCloak to allow apps from detecting root. It does it automatically once you select the troubled app. It requires Substrate and allows you to click on a link to install. Once substrate is installed it will allow rootcloak to function properly
Saferoot.zip search for it in the note 8.0 threads... I placed my copy as a file in one of the requests.
It will allow a proper root without having to flash. So no need for triangle away unless you plan on a custom ROM.
If you use saferoot, you can always upgrade to 4.4.x at a later time without having to unroot or do any trickery.
Play is messed up... never worked right on my tablet, both with stock ROM or custom ROMs
Play music does not like a large amount of media on SD storage, let alone full Mp3tags... can't handle the data or just too many files.Also music does not stop when you reboot. after some time it starts up and plays again. Gallery is messed up with image caching. So I used Wanam to disable scroll cache. I use Nokia Music Player as it is the most robust player that is small and works well on a tablet.
Freezing google music will keep battery consumption down if you have a lot of media. as I have over 4,000 files and if any one of them has an odd character in the name, the media server goes ape and cycles a lot of CPU time into trying to index. Thus sucking power like it is cheap gas.
My sig shows what a stock ROM is capable with just a few add on apps to help get things sorted out with battery power. Right now I am in a fight with Security 360... they boogered up the app with Soccer Ads in splash screens during boot and starting the app. Other wise it is an excellent app for what it does. I use it to clean out krapp that usually is not monitored by other cleaning apps, and to tweak boot blocking apps and apps that are running in background after wake up.
Greenify works fine but you may find security 360 an added app cleaner for sleep / wakeup cycles.

great user
mmm.it worthed more than a simple thanks to me.
by the way you use it in a good way.it s about 1gb of used ram on start up for me.and 970 when killed processes.
I'll try those you mentioned.seems very usefull
gooberdude said:
OK, if you rooted...
I recommend getting Xposed Framework installed, then install Wanam Exposed. It has a ton of mods to adjust about anything. Though depending on model and firmware, some stuff wont work.
If you want minimal... you can get Wanam Disable DVFS... Samsung's Touchwiz has a feature to assist with games called Dynamic Voltage File System. It seems to be the root of the evil with samsung devices. Google has made it clear that battery calibration tools don't do anything to calibrate the battery. By clearing the battery stats file, all you are doing is a temporary patch. DVFS does not play well with Androids battery stats, and corrupts the data for stats, thus giving bad battery status. Once DVFS is disabled, android will properly calibrate the status of the battery. It may take a few charge cycles or manual deletion of the battery stats file and a reboot.
Again if you root, you may want to add RootCloak to allow apps from detecting root. It does it automatically once you select the troubled app. It requires Substrate and allows you to click on a link to install. Once substrate is installed it will allow rootcloak to function properly
Saferoot.zip search for it in the note 8.0 threads... I placed my copy as a file in one of the requests.
It will allow a proper root without having to flash. So no need for triangle away unless you plan on a custom ROM.
If you use saferoot, you can always upgrade to 4.4.x at a later time without having to unroot or do any trickery.
Play is messed up... never worked right on my tablet, both with stock ROM or custom ROMs
Play music does not like a large amount of media on SD storage, let alone full Mp3tags... can't handle the data or just too many files.Also music does not stop when you reboot. after some time it starts up and plays again. Gallery is messed up with image caching. So I used Wanam to disable scroll cache. I use Nokia Music Player as it is the most robust player that is small and works well on a tablet.
Freezing google music will keep battery consumption down if you have a lot of media. as I have over 4,000 files and if any one of them has an odd character in the name, the media server goes ape and cycles a lot of CPU time into trying to index. Thus sucking power like it is cheap gas.
My sig shows what a stock ROM is capable with just a few add on apps to help get things sorted out with battery power. Right now I am in a fight with Security 360... they boogered up the app with Soccer Ads in splash screens during boot and starting the app. Other wise it is an excellent app for what it does. I use it to clean out krapp that usually is not monitored by other cleaning apps, and to tweak boot blocking apps and apps that are running in background after wake up.
Greenify works fine but you may find security 360 an added app cleaner for sleep / wakeup cycles.
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Anyone know a comand line to run in terminal emulator for reset the fuel gauge chip battery?
I cant find the folder in sys/class/power_supply/

fuel gauge reset via terminal emulator
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Anyone know a comand line to run in terminal emulator for reset the fuel gauge chip battery?
I cant find the folder in sys/class/power_supply/
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have a look on this topic.it for galaxy tabs but I guess it works on Note 8 too,although it is on your own risk(seems no risk,nothing gets worth than current state )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2398663
additionally,as I'm searching on batteries a few days,i found that there are different fuel chips out there.so we must do fuel gauge calibration method that fits our chip.If you found that please describe it here.

How can increase the performance and battery life for Note Pro

HI ALL,
I will root my device , but I want to know how to increase its performance and speed and reduce RAM usage?
and what is the best browser for Android for fast browsing and low memory usage?

Most of the speed increasing and RAM decreasing can be done without root. Replacing Touchwiz with Apex or Nova Launcher is the first step that makes the most difference. Disable most of the bloatware and turn down animations in developer options.

This post probably belongs in the Q&A section, not the software one.
Reduction in RAM usage doesn't necessarily equate to performance boost. Android memory management does a good job of keeping things running smoothly so the goal of debloating should not be to free up RAM. To maximize performance with regards to memory usage with Android what you'll want to do is debloat your device to the point that applications that you'll never use are no longer loading into memory automatically (either as active applications or cached) which will allow other frequently used applications a chance to load into RAM/cache for quick response times. Running memory management software is also counter productive as it will battle against Android's own memory management and kill background applications that you may want cached for quicker response when needed.
Personally I WANT RAM to fill up because if I'm jumping from application to application I don't want to wait for things to load from storage into RAM. I also refrain from cache cleaning frequently because I have a particular routine when I use my device (frequenting particular websites and using particular applications daily) so clearing cache frequently will only force my device to have to re-cache things unnecessarily.
Getting down to the nitty gritty of how to debloat, the approach I took for my device is to work with a few applications; SystemPanelLite Task Manager, Greenify, Boot Manager and Titanium Backup. I would clean boot my device and let it sit for a while (several minutes) to cache applications as it saw fit. I'd then pop into the system panel lite application and look at what was loaded into both active processes and cached. I'd evaluate each entry to determine for myself whether or not I wanted that application to load automatically or not OR NEVER. If the answer was never then I'd use Titanium Backup to freeze the application (of course for each app I'd do my research to see if it was serving an important function). If the answer was that I needed the application but not all of the time then I'd look into Greenifying it and also considered disabling it from starting at boot using boot manager.
I'd do the above iteratively until all I saw in RAM or cached were applications and services that I felt were important. Never during this process did I care how low memory usage was since the goal is to preload as much of the important stuff as possible.
In the end I ended up freezing a ton of Samsung apps, especially after uninstalling applications that relied on their own app store like Hancom.
Of course a quicker way to reduce bloat is to go to a ROM that someone else has debloated and start there as a base. I began my own debloating process early last year though so starting again on a ROM even if it already is debloated to a certain extent doesn't seem worth it for me at this time (but if a lollipop update rolls out and a ROM developer updates to that then I'll surely try it).
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ShadowLea said:
Most of the speed increasing and RAM decreasing can be done without root. Replacing Touchwiz with Apex or Nova Launcher is the first step that makes the most difference. Disable most of the bloatware and turn down animations in developer options.
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thanks a lot man , I used nove launcher and its v nice , I guess need to root so I can freeze more apps as not all can be disabled using offical rom
muzzy996 said:
This post probably belongs in the Q&A section, not the software one.
Reduction in RAM usage doesn't necessarily equate to performance boost. Android memory management does a good job of keeping things running smoothly so the goal of debloating should not be to free up RAM. To maximize performance with regards to memory usage with Android what you'll want to do is debloat your device to the point that applications that you'll never use are no longer loading into memory automatically (either as active applications or cached) which will allow other frequently used applications a chance to load into RAM/cache for quick response times. Running memory management software is also counter productive as it will battle against Android's own memory management and kill background applications that you may want cached for quicker response when needed.
Personally I WANT RAM to fill up because if I'm jumping from application to application I don't want to wait for things to load from storage into RAM. I also refrain from cache cleaning frequently because I have a particular routine when I use my device (frequenting particular websites and using particular applications daily) so clearing cache frequently will only force my device to have to re-cache things unnecessarily.
Getting down to the nitty gritty of how to debloat, the approach I took for my device is to work with a few applications; SystemPanelLite Task Manager, Greenify, Boot Manager and Titanium Backup. I would clean boot my device and let it sit for a while (several minutes) to cache applications as it saw fit. I'd then pop into the system panel lite application and look at what was loaded into both active processes and cached. I'd evaluate each entry to determine for myself whether or not I wanted that application to load automatically or not OR NEVER. If the answer was never then I'd use Titanium Backup to freeze the application (of course for each app I'd do my research to see if it was serving an important function). If the answer was that I needed the application but not all of the time then I'd look into Greenifying it and also considered disabling it from starting at boot using boot manager.
I'd do the above iteratively until all I saw in RAM or cached were applications and services that I felt were important. Never during this process did I care how low memory usage was since the goal is to preload as much of the important stuff as possible.
In the end I ended up freezing a ton of Samsung apps, especially after uninstalling applications that relied on their own app store like Hancom.
Of course a quicker way to reduce bloat is to go to a ROM that someone else has debloated and start there as a base. I began my own debloating process early last year though so starting again on a ROM even if it already is debloated to a certain extent doesn't seem worth it for me at this time (but if a lollipop update rolls out and a ROM developer updates to that then I'll surely try it).
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Really helpfull man thanks a lot for all the information u shared, am ok with but guess will need to do more research for greenify cuz I didnt use it at all, secondly what office u used after uniinstalling hancom?

I'm currently using Microsoft's Word/Excel Preview apps and have an Office 365 account to enable editing. I've just started (1 month trial) so I haven't really gotten a lot of use out of the software yet.
I can't speak for anyone else but myself but my reason for dropping Hancom was twofold; 1) it did not support the review/commenting features that I needed in Word files and 2) it often required updates at inopportune times. My needs are quite specific, my tablet is a reference and note taking device for meetings and is never used for production type work. As such, I need the ability to take email attachments, open them for review and comment and then send the comments back out as email attachments. The limitations of Hancom when it comes to track changes were a deal breaker for me since I could not see the history of development of reports/documents.
Microsoft's mobile version of Word implements the best support of track changes/comments that I've found to date, so I'm forced to pay the premium of a 365 subscription on this device to get what I need.

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I'm currently using Microsoft's Word/Excel Preview apps and have an Office 365 account to enable editing. I've just started (1 month trial) so I haven't really gotten a lot of use out of the software yet.
I can't speak for anyone else but myself but my reason for dropping Hancom was twofold; 1) it did not support the review/commenting features that I needed in Word files and 2) it often required updates at inopportune times. My needs are quite specific, my tablet is a reference and note taking device for meetings and is never used for production type work. As such, I need the ability to take email attachments, open them for review and comment and then send the comments back out as email attachments. The limitations of Hancom when it comes to track changes were a deal breaker for me since I could not see the history of development of reports/documents.
Microsoft's mobile version of Word implements the best support of track changes/comments that I've found to date, so I'm forced to pay the premium of a 365 subscription on this device to get what I need.
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thanks for reply and sorry for late , hoping the android 5 be great

Install cm12 lollipop ROM. Drastic improvement in browser performance and gaming. For example, Asphalt 8 is extremely slow on stock, even overclocked. On cm12 it runs perfectly with max graphics settings. Unfortunately you lose all the cool touchwiz features like multi window. For me, the performance improvement is enough that it's worth the lost features. I'm anxiously waiting for the official lollipop update.

Lagging as hell

Hi all, I'm writing this post while I wait for the i8150 to load the contacts list in the telephone app.
This shall be a nice example for what I was meaning in the topic title.
This is what I've done till now.
CM9 by Arco
CWM 6.0.4.5
V6 Supercharge RC11, 50% supercharged since I'm not willing to install Java and all the other bits on my PC.
SD Booster set to 2048kb on both internal and external SDs.
Only installed Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger, File Manager, Nova Launcher, Script Manager + Busybox, SD Booster and GSam battery monitor, apart from standard Google apps (except Youtube that has been disabled due to its continuous data syncing in recent versions) as the presumably heaviest apps.
Periodically launching SuperClean.
Well, I'm using the Wonder while I wait for the Nexus 4, that is my main device, to come back from customer service. But it takes one minute or more to completely load Messenger or Whatsapp. Almost every damn time. This is a screenshot showing RAM usage, shall this be of any help investigating the problem.
I've read about so many i8150 owners being satisfied with their device, which should mean they don't own such an unusable device as I do. Is it normal for it to be so slow with the current app development? How can I put an end to this lag?
Thanks in advance.

I've been using cm10.1 plus by Madridii for almost 7 months, and no complaint at all. used my phone for WhatsApp, bbm, instagram, and line at daily usage. I don't use any performance tweak like you do, only greenify app with xposed framework.
for the ram usage, it's pretty normal. just leave it. Android has it's own way to manage ram.
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Talk about Wonder, I'm wondering if it is the device defective as it should even support some multitasking as it is right now. I can check the CM10 out anyway.

How to stop apps getting killed when switching

I can live with the Nexus 5X' relative sluggishness when compared to the Nexus 5, but what really stops me from doing my work is the phone killing apps when I switch between them.
Example: I may be filling out a form on a website in Firefox for Android. I need to look up a word in the dictionary, so I switch over to the dictionary and look up the word. When I switch back to Firefox, the application has obviously been killed, as it reloads the page.
Example2: I'm listening to the Audio version of the Economist via the Economist app. The speaker mentions a certain placename and I open the Google Maps app in order too find where it is on the map. Suddenly the audio will stop playing - the app has been killed.
The above gets considerably worse when switching between more than two apps and is really hindering my work and productivity.
Now this almost never happened on the Nexus 5, which also only had 2 GB of RAM. So is it the power saving feature of the Nexus 5X kicking in? Is there a way to stop it from happening?

Marshmallow simply has very bad RAM management from what I've seen. I used to have the Nexus 5 too and as you said, multitasking was a very good experience on it (especially on Kitkat). Google's OS takes more of the phone's resources after each update (with no major new features or improvements). Marshmallow looks exactly the same as Lollipop, except for the tiny feature of apps permissions, and the Now on tap that I barely use (same for Android pay which I'm sure most of Nexus 5x owners won't even be able to use it outside the US). So I still don't understand why they had to jump so fast to a new version of Android while Lollipop still had a ****load of bugs that need fixing, they could've worked more on Lollipop to perfect it first then give us Marshmallow after 2 years maybe, we're not in a hurry.. I just hope they don't stop again at Marshmallow 6.1/6.2 or something and introduce Android N *sigh*

Sounds like you have more user installed apps with constantly running background services installed that the phone can comfortably handle with 2GB memory.
Check the memory stats in Settings - if the average over all the time options is 1.6GB or above used then your phone is going to struggle and cached apps are going to be getting cleared out when switching regularly. Look down the list particulary for apps running close to 100% of the time with a big RAM fingerprint. Also check running services in developer settings to get an idea of what is running a service all of the time.
Once you've identified the worst offenders make that difficult decision - is the apps utility worth it for the impact on performance. Consider reporting the memory use to the developer, particularly if it's much lower after a reboot and increases over time. Plenty of playstore apps ship with clear memory leak issues.
Other than that the other option is reasonably regular reboots to keep the system fresh and clear out any memory leaks.

thanks for the suggestion. Well here's the top 5:
Android operating system 524 MB
Wechat 156 MB
Firefox 117 MB
System UI 105 MB
Android system 99 MB
Clearly it's mostly the system using all resources. Firefox and Wechat, sure, I find them rather essential to my life, but together they don't even use as much as the OS.
Thing is, I can't remember this happening on the Nexus 5.

Sounds like you may have some apps using up a lot of your memory. I haven't been seeing any redraws with my apps, even 24+ hours of sitting in the background. The other day I was switching between gaming, streaming a live sporting even, and text messaging and the phone didn't drop a beat despite the game alone using 600MB of RAM.

Are those the average RAM or peak?

that's what shows up when I get the details of the RAM usage through settings

still this never happened on the Nexus 5, at least I can't remember

Yeah, I have a hard time believing it's the apps. I never had this issue come up in my Moto X 2013 (also 2 GB of RAM) using the same apps. We're seriously talking about one app open, switching to another app. No reason switching back to the first app should have everything reload.
Unless by "some apps," you mean that they have somehow not been optimized for Marshmallow in some way or other. But the apps simply running a process? A smartly-made OS (Lollipop, KitKat) will know "Hey, we have to kill something to free up RAM? Why don't we kill an app that hasn't been used in a while?" and a less-smartly-made OS (perhaps Marshmallow...?) will think "Hey, we have to kill something to free up RAM... why don't we kill the app the user just used?"

And there are two figures there - average and peak - which are those?
If there are the averages rather than peak then both Firefox and Wechat have got a problem.
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Marshmallow and Lollipop low RAM behaviour is pretty much identical and quite aggressive (the OS tries to preserve quite a chunk of free memory which is uses on the sly as a display buffer), KitKat was less aggressive.
I don't have any problem multitasking on my Nexus5x, but then again for the apps I've got when I check the memory tab I'm normally averaging 1.2-1.4GB used and 400-600MB average memory free so there is plenty of space for the OS to gracefully cache and uncache processes. If the phone is normally running at 1.5GB-1.6GB used and 200-300MB then the LMK is going to be kicking in frequently. It kicks in at around 250MB free on a Nexus5x.

It was the default setting, i.e. average. HM ok good to know. It's happening quite often when listening to the Economist too. Which is really bull****, it should treat it as audio playing. Why would Android kill your music.

I agree music players don't get the priority they should, although that particular 'bug' at least gives a clear symptom that lack of free RAM is an issue, if not the cause of the issue e.g. the OS, to many running services from user apps, or a particular user app with memory leak issues.
I came to the Nexus5x from a 1GB Moto G where it was almost impossible to keep background music running in combination with navigation after Lollipop without uninstalling pretty much everything else user installed and have got used to monitoring the RAM footprint and behaviour of apps as a result.
I've suffered the problem once since I've had the Nexus5x and that was due to the music player (Soundcloud) being a memory hog (120MB+) with it's background music player service coupled with a memory leak in the driving app I was testing at the time - Automate - it was peaking at 460MB use.
I'm not so precious about what is installed now but anything that wants to run a constant service either has to be tiny when running that service or absolutely fundamental to my use of the device.

I find this to be the worst problem .We want to kill our apps like we are use to.Switching between email and chrome is horrible especially when you have to start your application all-over again (submission request) Hopefully some XDA member will figure out how to solve this issue. For now I am testing DEVELOPER OPTIONS allow running
apps in background ? Anyone know what the default value is??

[QUESTION] Apps being killed

Hello.
I got a Mi A2 Lite a few days ago, is my first Android One. My model have 3Gb of RAM.
I'm facing the following problem:
Let's say I'm playing Lords Mobile (the only game I play). Then, I receive a message on WhatsApp. I go there and reply. I then go to Facebook and/or Chrome to check something, and want to go back to Lords Mobile. The game was pulled out from memory, and need to reload again from zero. Same with Chrome, it shows all my tabs I had opened, but is surelly reloading again from zero. Is like the "clear all" of 'recent apps' on some other phones.
I think 3Gb of RAM is enough to handle these apps, don't? I don't have too much apps installed, and the memory use is about 2Gb. I don't know if this behavior is native, by the way. Another example: if I go to sleep just after play, when I go to game again in the morning, the game reload from zero.
Is this normal? Any way to make this model handle the memory in a better way, if is the case?
My device is on Pie, July security patch. No root.
Thanks in advice

It gets better over time. There is "AI" that figures out what to keep in memory.
But in general, pie seems to be worse than previous releases at keeping things in memory, even when memory is not full.

a1291762 said:
It gets better over time. There is "AI" that figures out what to keep in memory.
But in general, pie seems to be worse than previous releases at keeping things in memory, even when memory is not full.
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Thanks.
Is there a way to get rid of AI, or set an app to be excluded from this?

romulocarlos said:
Is there a way to get rid of AI, or set an app to be excluded from this?
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Not that anyone seems to know. Maybe custom ROMs help?
I just used my phone like normal and noticed that it got better at not unloading apps that I came back to regularly.
You can try to force Android Go mode, since it's designed for really small RAM use but I tried it and didn't like it (changes some things).

a1291762 said:
Not that anyone seems to know. Maybe custom ROMs help?
I just used my phone like normal and noticed that it got better at not unloading apps that I came back to regularly.
You can try to force Android Go mode, since it's designed for really small RAM use but I tried it and didn't like it (changes some things).
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Thank you. I don't go for Android Go, seems worse. lol
Any other suggestions will be welcome.

It's not AI, it's the Kernel's scheduler profile, and Xiaomi is famous for tuning it with an aggressive policy towards keeping as much RAM available as possible. The only way to improve it is by installing a custom kernel.

slimshady76 said:
It's not AI, it's the Kernel's scheduler profile, and Xiaomi is famous for tuning it with an aggressive policy towards keeping as much RAM available as possible. The only way to improve it is by installing a custom kernel.
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Well, custom kernel and ROMs means unlocking bootloader... I can't do this for now. But, anyway, thanks!

3 gigs of ram is barely enough for pie. On the 4 gig version I have barely 1 gig free at idle. But mostly, the app kill is done by a crappy A.I. system that does some battery optimization.

TheoXSD said:
3 gigs of ram is barely enough for pie. On the 4 gig version I have barely 1 gig free at idle. But mostly, the app kill is done by a crappy A.I. system that does some battery optimization.
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Well, taking in note what @slimshady76 wrote above, maybe the "Butterfly for daisy" will be a good deal. But I can't do it now.

I just made a test on last 2 days.
I uninstalled any optional app on phone I downloaded, and disabled a lot of system apps. Lords Mobile won't unload from memory when switching and/or when I sleep and back to game at morning.
So, is a lack of memory, but I still thinking 3Gb is enough to handle it. When 10.0.12.0 comes available to download, I'll try Butterfly kernel.