Anyone use one?
Any recommendation?
Oh I wish I knew of one too. That's my only concern about not using a case. The lens glass can scratch somewhat easily.
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Why not make one? I just put a Skinomi screen protector on my wife's Apple watch. It'd be super easy to use an exacto knife and cut one to fit. Don't know how clear it'd be though, you'd have to test it.
While anything can be scratched, any screen protector is going to scratch easier than the lens glass. The lens is likely sapphire which is about as scratch resistant as you can get (9 out of 10 on the mohs hardness scale). Don't confuse that rating with the ratings that screen protector guys use. They are usually using pencil hardness, NOT mohs hardness. It can be scratched of course but should take a lot to do it. In my last 10 years of owning smartphones I've never scratched a camera lens and rarely use a case.
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While anything can be scratched, any screen protector is going to scratch easier than the lens glass. The lens is likely sapphire which is about as scratch resistant as you can get (9 out of 10 on the mohs hardness scale). Don't confuse that rating with the ratings that screen protector guys use. They are usually using pencil hardness, NOT mohs hardness. It can be scratched of course but should take a lot to do it. In my last 10 years of owning smartphones I've never scratched a camera lens and rarely use a case.
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camera lenses in smartphones are not sapphire. Watch jerryrigeverything, even Apple's "Sapphire" lens cover scratches at a 7 on the mohs scale.
Best bet I think at the moment is to use a case that means the lens is recessed a bit so less prone to touching. This link is focused (sorry about the pun) on DSLR lenses, but may give you comfort that small damage isn't so bad:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=camera+lens+scratch+effect&oq=camera+lens+scratch+effect
Worst I think would be an over aggressive/poor cleaning approach or getting something on the lens which would leave it permanently 'cloudy' with scratches or some other material deposited on it. Bottom line for any lens, as a photographer will tell you - don't "clean" it with a t-shirt, blowing on it, etc., etc. If it really needs cleaning invest in the kind of cleaners/kit sold for cleaning camera lenses and follow the instructions
And on the subject of lens "protectors", this is a subject of debate amongst photographers - who typically use screw on filters for their DSLRs to do that job. Some swear by them. Others say they reduce contrast, cause unnecessary reflections in difficult lighting conditions and that a knock that's bad enough to break the filter will have shards of filter damaging the lens underneath it's supposed to protect anyway.
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Just curious, is the display plastic on the G2? I honestly cant tell
I got a screen protector... just in case. I see many phones have decent screens that do not scratch, but I always go with the protection. Also, I have a house full of destructive kids who do not respect daddy's things.
I think everyone is afraid to say things that may sound like a guaranty. We may have to wait until a brave technician tears one down.
plastic screens scratch and dent like crazy. kind of wish they went with glass.
wow, i managed to scratch the gorilla glass screen on my vibrant so i guess i better get some sort of screen protector on this thing asap, sucks they didnt go with glass after putting all the aluminum trim on it
Lol I doubt its plastic
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Yea I really don't think its plastic.
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I'm pretty sure it's plastic. It's quite hard, but still, I think it's plastic. If it were glass, I don't think they would cut a hole in the edge for the speaker to peek out from. That edge around the speaker is also beveled. Again, something I doubt they would do to a glass screen.
Also, glass is very good for holding an anti-glare coating. The Vibrant's glass screen had one. (Ever notice how glare reflections were colored blue?) That's an extremely thin metallic salt coating on the glass (Magnesium Flouride is a popular coating). As far as I know, it's easy to do on glass, but harder on plastic, and is usually reserved for eye glasses. (And may even be a different technology then.) If it were glass, I think they would have used an anti-glare coating. Then again, HTC could just be shaving off pennies by not using an anti-glare coating. But I sill think it's plastic.
I'm just guessing. I'm no expert.
Thes screens on just about all phones are neither plastic nor glass, it's a combination of materials.
Plastic kinda like lcd tvs. I use to have a plasma an i loved the glass on it but glass cracks plastic takes alot before it does anything.
Either way its a nice screen to me and i bet we wont have the screen cracking problem like the nexus ones. Also always use a screen protector its just smart your always have new screen under the protector if the protector gets scratched just replace it. Better then getting another screen.
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Display: 3.7-inch (9.4 cm) flat glass touch-sensitive S-TFT screen with WVGA pixel resolution (480x800)
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Of course I don't know how credible this is since I couldn't find any mention of it in the references.
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Of course I don't know how credible this is since I couldn't find any mention of it in the references.
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Wikipedia should never be used for definitive reference.
All of these screens are "glass", because they are silica based.
Glass. Look up some capacitive TS or mobile phone coverglass spec sheets.
Turn off the screen and look at some glare. You can see wavy inperfections. Glass would have this. It also doesn't feel as hard as glass when I try to scratch it with my fingernail on the edge near the speaker.
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I'd gladly use my HTC 10 casesless if it meant the camera lens wasn't exposed to being scraped along surfaces as I place down/pick up the phone.
Is there anything, could be as simple as a shallow adhesive rubber ring, that will keep the lens from making contact with a surface when laid down, something simple? Open to suggestions from the hardware store, already considering a rubber washer of the right size ...
The lens is sapphire glass. You'd be hard pressed to actually be able to scratch it, not impossible but rather unlikely from the random "scraping along a surface as I place the phone down / pick it up".
For reference sapphire is 9 on the Mohs scale (1-10) of hardness: 1 being baby powder, ~6-7 being Gorilla Glass and 10 being diamond.
So unless you plan on rubbing your 10's camera lens with a diamond anytime soon then don't bother trying to "protect" it, it already has the protection it needs.
Lol at the people who rub their camera lens with a diamond
I somehow managed to shatter the glass on my rear camera over the weekend. I tossed it in a bag with my GoPro and somehow when I took it out, the glass was absolutely ruined. Glad I have Uh-Oh protection, but I wasn't planning to have to use it only 3 weeks into the phone!
i never use protective glass on my older phones , i never put keys or other metallic things in the same pocket, in less than 1 month i see some tiny scratch on display of my lg g7.
i cant understand how "WOW GORILLA GLASS 5!!!" and in 1 month with a normal use it have some scratch
no one of my old phones have gorilla glass and their screen is with less scratch
Isn't that a good point to actually use screen protectors? They hardly add thickness or weight and if you would ever get scratches, you can just replace them.
As for how the gg5 received its scratch, we may never know. I'm not an expert on the "hardness" of everyday dust, sand or other materials but there surely is a way to even scratch the hardest glass on the planet given the right conditions. Some trade-offs will be involved when designing materials that are scratch resistant, flexible, clear, easy to clean and apply, long-lasting, cheap to produce, oleophobic, heat-resistant, etc. all at the very same time.
Gorilla Glass 5 is mostly aiming for durability (a.k.a the screen not to break when you drop the phone)
Thinking of getting a camera lens protector to protect it from scratches but worried it will affect the image quality. Any comments?
It sucks up 5% of the light, but the quality itself is not affected.
Might have some light reflections in your pictures when you use a cheap one.
No reflections at all here...
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No reflections at all here...
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where did you get the camera lens from man? Looking forward to buying one for me Xperia 5 too!
Am I missing something, isn't the lens already covered in Gorilla glass 6?
As long as your case lifts the lens off the surface when you put it down, you shouldn't need an extra cover.
Any extra layer over the lens is going to degrade picture quality.
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Thinking of getting a camera lens protector to protect it from scratches but worried it will affect the image quality. Any comments?
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I tested one and found it introduces both glare and tends to diminish clarity. I would recommend against putting one on.
This is also similar to tempered glass or hydrogel front screen protectors. The front camera is so poor IMHO that it needs as much light as possible and nothing to dimish clarity.
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I tested one and found it introduces both glare and tends to diminish clarity. I would recommend against putting one on.
This is also similar to tempered glass or hydrogel front screen protectors. The front camera is so poor IMHO that it needs as much light as possible and nothing to dimish clarity.
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Yeap, anytime you add optic elements like this you degrade the performance.
Almost all smartphone cams have built in lens protectors. That piece of glass or plastic isn't the lense, it's the protector!
Get a good case with a raised guard around the cam module and it will be fine.
Replacements aren't that expensive anyway.
Thanks for the inputs. Previously, my old xperia z's lens got covered in scratches during one my trip overseas. But eventually I managed to rub off the entire coating hence removing the scratches. That's why i started looking into lens protector.
How good is Gorilla Glass Victus glass? Will it still need a Screen protector? The curved edges make my hesitant about using a screen protector.
Thoughts?
I looked at JerryRigEverything's videos on the S20 Ultra and S21 Ultra (or Gorilla Glass 6 vs Victus)
It seemed that it scratched just the same. I also saw an article where the Corning person admitted that it'll still get scratched by sand, dust, coins, and keys in your pocket.
That said, I haven't decided what I want to do yet. I love tempered glass protectors but they're usually terrible on curved screens and I hate the plastic feeling ones.
It's still a 6/7 on mohs scale.
The only difference is that Victus is slightly more durable, meaning it can endure a bit more force/pressure (newton), something like 8 instead of 5. So your phone will still break and scratch, but it requires a bit more effort to damage it.
Of course it won't help you with sand or anything solid that might make a dent with little amount of effort/pressure.
I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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Every time I've tried that, the screen gets scratched. All the way up to iPhone 12 pro max.
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I haven't used screen protectors in years now. Just don't keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys and you'll be fine. There's only a small percentage of people out there who would need a screen protector, because they operate in rough environments.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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I wish it was this easy in desert climates. Even with shaking out my pockets regularly, a stray piece of sand always manages to find its way to my screens within the first couple months.
FWIW I had the S21 Ultra before this (also using Victus) and it managed to get scratched. Nothing deep, but it was noticeable in sunlight. I'm planning on keeping the Pixel for a good while, so I actually picked up a TPU screen protector for it.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that. It's down to everyone's personal philosophy, but in my view the phone should serve me, not the other way around.
For what it's worth, even without screen protectors I didn't have any visible scratches on my Pixel 2 XL or 4 XL, after 2 years of usage each, so I'm gonna risk it this time too.
After 6 days I have the first scratch in the display. The device was always carried isolated in a cargo pocket. I will probably send it back.
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At this point there is no such screen protector that doesn't degrade usability of this phone. Curved screen AND the damn on-screen fingerprint reader made sure of that.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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And that's just... completely untrue. I'm using a TPU based protector, fingerprint works 100%, every damn time. When the UV based protectors come out, they'll work 100%, every time. Optical protectors are a LOT easier to use with screen protectors.
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Likewise. Using Armorsuit plastic screen protector and 100% fingerprint function (and it's fast!)
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
I always put screen protectors on my phones until I got the Essential Phone. No tempered glass screen protectors would work on it, and I did not like the alternatives. I decided to go without one and just "try" to be careful. It did not take long before I had a lot of tiny scratches all over my screen. When I got a deep scratch on my PH-1, I went back to the TPU wet apply screen protector that I did not like, but it is better than the alternative. I did not use my Pixel 6 Pro as my daily driver until my screen protector arrived the next day. I have to say that the TPU screen protector I purchased is much better than the one I used for my PH-1. Very pleased with it. I think the brand is IMBZBK or something like that. I have never heard of it before, and only got it until I could get a brand name protector. I may continue using it until it gives me trouble. I highly recommend a screen protector on your Pixel 6!
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Sand will scratch any type of glass. I had a old S4 that was nearing the end of it's service life.
It had no scratches after over 3 years and bare glass feels better so... within 3-4 months with no protector it had 3 easily visible scratches. In spite of keeping it as clean as possible using a microfiber cloth for cleaning.
Unprotected glass will get scratched...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Modern phones displays can withstand a 6-7 on Mohs scale.
Sand is a 7.
Hardened steel is, by the way, 7-8.
Aluminium is, by the way, 2.5-3. Only because it's mixed with other metals & refined can it withstand some of the everyday life abuse. It's still **** compared to hardened steel. It's a shame that only Apple uses stainless steel with their IPhones. I would love to have a Pixel with stainless steel. The few grams I don't care about, give me the durability...
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Yeah?
Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Sand will still scratch it... it's easy to test
I notice Corning isn't bragging about its hardness.
Optical sapphire is 9. Apple toyed with u$ing it.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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Apples Sapphire is sh*t. It's fake. They only use a partial sapphire screen, which means that it's hardness is still a 6-7.
I think HTC's sapphire U Ultra is the only phone/smart device to date with a decent ("real") Sapphire screen. Other than that you will only find expensive watches with a pure Sapphire screen.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I can only repeat myself: Apples implementation of Sapphire on their apple watches & on the backside of devices (camera lense protection) is fake. It was tested all day long on Youtube by people using Mohs picks, it scratched at 6 and 7, which means that it's only Sapphire in name. There is no optical "sapphire" used by Apple, it's a fancy marketing word and only that.
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To my knowledge optical sapphire has only been used for camera lense protection. Optically it's not as clear as glass, it has a slight tint. I still wouldn't buy an Apple...
While sand is the most common abrasive floating around it's not the only. Gravel can range up to RH 8 so a screen protector can save it from marring in a glancing slide or a low impact drop.
Face plants into gravel are always a thrill...
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I always watch out for meteor showers...
Yeah as said before marketing nonsense. I think the saphire would shatter too easy if they needed to get it that thin for weight control