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Android P for Oneplus 5T

Guys i was wondering about android p update for oneplus 5t, since 2 major android updates are usual norm for the companies and from oreo its an option to support project treble if the phone is being updated to oreo and mandatory if the phone ships with oreo, now, according to this post https://www.phonearena.com/news/Goo...s-In-Android-9.0-Make-It-More-Closed_id101816 its being said that android p will mandate the support of project treble that means the phone should support project treble regardless of being updated to android p or shipping with the same.
Now the problem arise when oneplus couldn't support project treble with oreo update for oneplus 5t due to partitioning issues. If this is the scenario then theoretically oneplus 5t won't be able to taste android p officially (since project treble is mandatory) and will it end up being the case of oneplus 2 wherein it couldn't taste android nougat ?
Correct me if i'm wrong since i am on oneplus one and now, looking to upgrade and this time seems fit as oreo's project treble would revolutionize the custom rom's department also i simply couldn't deviate from oneplus phones, hence thinking about waiting for the successor of oneplus 5t as it would definitely ship with oreo hence project treble goodness or oneplus 5t could be updated to android p hence having support for project treble.
Oneplus one still holds good for me till date and no need to upgrade if it wasn't for project treble (and 64 bit architecture also).
So what are your thoughts on this ?

I think you're getting way ahead of yourself. Yes it's true that 1+ is not supporting project treble for the foreseeable future but there are two important things to understand.
First, having an OEM support project Treble does not imply that device will get faster updates. manufacturers will still control the compiling and rollout of updates and they will always add their own tweaks and skins which will take time. All PT will do is taking care of the Hardware Abstraction Layer.
Secondly, even though OnePlus phone updates track record isn't impeccable, they're upgrading the 3/3t and 5/5t to Oreo in a fairly timely matter so it's very unlikely that they will abandon two phones that would be around one year old without the newest update.
In any case, all upcoming phones from OnePlus will have to support Treble so the issue will be short lived.

I think that if they want to ALL phones can be re-partitioned for treble, it would however involve a complete loss of all information on the phone and effort on the part of the companies.
For most users this would be unacceptable as it would involve backing up ALL data , settings and contacts on the phone. It would be time intensive and require effort on the OEM's so these companies just go the easy route and say it can't be done...
Nice way of making a butt-load of cash off the next version of phone released too...
Just one company to get the ball rolling would definitely hurt all others if they did this though...

Oos does not even have oreo... And the open beta they call oreo its nougat..
don't expect it lol

Seriously, we don't even have Oreo yet and you are worried about P?
An official release of Android P for a Oneplus device, is over a year away, minimum... Most of us won't even have this phone by then, having upgraded to a newer one.

oreo itself is a dream.

I was just ensuring that the device i go for will be future proof. I don't feel the need to upgrade a phone until major advancement in the field, i still don't fell the urge to upgrade until it was for project treble which seems promising, alongside backed by 64 bit architecture, display ratio etc etc.
So maybe a safe side would be to wait for the oneplus 5t successor.

arjun said:
I was just ensuring that the device i go for will be future proof. I don't feel the need to upgrade a phone until major advancement in the field, i still don't fell the urge to upgrade until it was for project treble which seems promising, alongside backed by 64 bit architecture, display ratio etc etc.
So maybe a safe side would be to wait for the oneplus 5t successor.
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I'm in your boat. Despite what OnePlus 5t owners say, treble is a big deal. Manufacturers have already come out and said that it's going to make it much easier. That's why all phones starting with 8.0 will have dual partitions. If you can wait, then you should wait for 8.0+ released devices, or phones that currently implement dual partitions. Essential phones are already prepared for Treble, but they've got some QC issues to solve with their overall hardware, so I'd stay away from them.

JoRocker said:
I'm in your boat. Despite what OnePlus 5t owners say, treble is a big deal. Manufacturers have already come out and said that it's going to make it much easier. That's why all phones starting with 8.0 will have dual partitions. If you can wait, then you should wait for 8.0+ released devices, or phones that currently implement dual partitions. Essential phones are already prepared for Treble, but they've got some QC issues to solve with their overall hardware, so I'd stay away from them.
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yeah yeah yeah man, you perfectly get me, even i'm skeptical about essential phone despite project treble support, even asus zenfone 4's oreo update brings project treble but not in the way treble's to be implemented.
But the thing bugs me that will 1+5/5T be updated to android p or not since android p will surely bring treble support, because treble + 6 years for LTS for kernels = long live device and probably no need to upgrade phones that frequently.
I guess i'll wait for 1+6 then.
thanks for sharing same mindset bro ! :good:

OnePlus 6 will surely be out b4 Android P, shoot probably even the 6T, and the OP6 and beyond will surely support project treble. Patience is the key.

Who cares about project treble and OxygenOS.. we will always have LineageOS. Chill...
Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A5010 mediante Tapatalk

alexiuss said:
Who cares about project treble and OxygenOS.. we will always have LineageOS. Chill...
Enviado desde mi ONEPLUS A5010 mediante Tapatalk
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project treble means better lineage os support with minimal to no hacks (shimming) to get things working.
Tell me that doesn't sound good.

Airwolf79 said:
OnePlus 6 will surely be out b4 Android P, shoot probably even the 6T, and the OP6 and beyond will surely support project treble. Patience is the key.
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+1

OP6 is supposed to be released end of March approximately. I would bet dollars to donuts, if they got their act together, it will have Oreo/Treble. Otherwise, they are falling behind the premier makers that will support treble, like the Pixel 2 does now. See what Samsung does with the S9 in the very near future, not sure if it will have treble. If so, it kind of forces OPs hand to have Treble on it's next flagship. Just a thought anyway.
AS far as 5T....well, Oreo is probably good enough for the life of the phone IMO if they get it legit working.

fuarkgl3 said:
Oos does not even have oreo... And the open beta they call oreo its nougat..
don't expect it lol
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techlogik said:
OP6 is supposed to be released end of March approximately. I would bet dollars to donuts, if they got their act together, it will have Oreo/Treble. Otherwise, they are falling behind the premier makers that will support treble, like the Pixel 2 does now. See what Samsung does with the S9 in the very near future, not sure if it will have treble. If so, it kind of forces OPs hand to have Treble on it's next flagship. Just a thought anyway.
AS far as 5T....well, Oreo is probably good enough for the life of the phone IMO if they get it legit working.
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OP6 got to have treble if they launch it with oreo, else google won't certify their software.

SquireSCA said:
Seriously, we don't even have Oreo yet and you are worried about P?
An official release of Android P for a Oneplus device, is over a year away, minimum... Most of us won't even have this phone by then, having upgraded to a newer one.
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??????? Qui ????????

arjun said:
??????? Qui ????????
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Turns out for me, I don't even have the OP5T anymore because it can't do VoLTE on AT&T.

SquireSCA said:
Turns out for me, I don't even have the OP5T anymore because it can't do VoLTE on AT&T.
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there are rumors about the fact that oneplus will partner with major US carriers for their next flagship, either way OP6 is gonna be a bomb.

arjun said:
there are rumors about the fact that oneplus will partner with major US carriers for their next flagship, either way OP6 is gonna be a bomb.
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Yeah, that would be awesome. I loved my OP3 and enjoyed the OP5T, but I have to have VoLTE. That is a deal breaker, as I routinely have to tether my work laptop to the phone, so if I am on a conf call with the phone, I lose LTE and it drops down to H+ which is like 3G and slow. Also no HD calling, no WiFi calling.
My Essential doesn't have Wifi Calling either, but it does support VoLTE in AT&T, so I had to return the OP5T and go back to that.

Why Custom Rom development is totally off??

Almost all custom Roms are not even updated since last year. The custom Rom or Android development for Honor 8 Pro is totally off? Why is that?
Even after oreo release, feels like no one interested.
update: Honor released kernel source for honor 8 pro
https://www.xda-developers.com/honor-8-pro-honor-9-android-oreo-kernel-source/

personally, i feel that this is due to the fact that:
* many are happy for stock ROM
* stock ROM has got a lot of features and options for all sorts of ppl
* in terms of optmisation and efficiency, modern day version of Android don't really drain that much.
* battery tech has improved and we see phones packing bigger battery. so, ppl no longer than concerned abt battery life
* limited user-base -- so ROM developers are better off spending their time on phones with larger user-base, thus getting better feedback and attention

mydragoon said:
personally, i feel that this is due to the fact that:
* many are happy for stock ROM
* stock ROM has got a lot of features and options for all sorts of ppl
* in terms of optmisation and efficiency, modern day version of Android don't really drain that much.
* battery tech has improved and we see phones packing bigger battery. so, ppl no longer than concerned abt battery life
* limited user-base -- so ROM developers are better off spending their time on phones with larger user-base, thus getting better feedback and attention
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You are right, Thanks.
Just After honor ditch us, no chance of Getting future android experience ?

Honor left honor 8 pro.
Honor is fully focused on AI based honor view 10, the selected developer were given free honor view 10 handsets for its support and development of rom's in future. Honor has ditched the honor 8 pro.
The developers started working on honor view 10 and developed treble lineage os 15.1 rom based on Oreo 8.1 for kirin 970 devices.
Even the magisk and substrantum support is given for honor view 10.
I think this is my last honor device ??.

mukeshreddy1994 said:
Honor is fully focused on AI based honor view 10, the selected developer were given free honor view 10 handsets for its support and development of rom's in future. Honor has ditched the honor 8 pro.
The developers started working on honor view 10 and developed treble lineage os 15.1 rom based on Oreo 8.1 for kirin 970 devices.
Even the magisk and substrantum support is given for honor view 10.
I think this is my last honor device .
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personally, i dun expect much since honor 8 Pro is a one year old device (using China's V9 as the actual launch). honor already launched a replacement device and if they actually continue to promote older device, then there's something not right with their strategy. so, it's only right that they get support for newer device instead, which is the View 10.
and the Q is... do i need custom rom? nope. i dun think i need it. and do i think it's needed for even View 10? nope... dun think it's needed.
many reasons why i dun think custom rom needed is in my first reply above.

mydragoon said:
personally, i dun expect much since honor 8 Pro is a one year old device (using China's V9 as the actual launch). honor already launched a replacement device and if they actually continue to promote older device, then there's something not right with their strategy. so, it's only right that they get support for newer device instead, which is the View 10.
and the Q is... do i need custom rom? nope. i dun think i need it. and do i think it's needed for even View 10? nope... dun think it's needed.
many reasons why i dun think custom rom needed is in my first reply above.
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I heard yesterday, Honor had removed Kernal sources for Honor 8 pro(or V9)[after its launched] that's a big problem also for custom roms.
Even in their own website the stock firmware is not available, no even it's name.
Stock rom might ne good, but Many people seeks for Future taste of Android. Honor already ditch us, The only way we could have taste Android p or Android Q using custom roms and now that also not possible.
Where as they are making sure Honor view 10 get erd party development supports.

[email protected] said:
I heard yesterday, Honor had removed Kernal sources for Honor 8 pro(or V9)[after its launched] that's a big problem also for custom roms.
Even in their own website the stock firmware is not available, no even it's name.
Stock rom might ne good, but Many people seeks for Future taste of Android. Honor already ditch us, The only way we could have taste Android p or Android Q using custom roms and now that also not possible.
Where as they are making sure Honor view 10 get erd party development supports.
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i bought the honor 8 Pro because it is a good phone. great specs at affordable price. i din get it so i could get the latest version of Android. to me, so long as it works and it's patched (and while it's inconsistent but the updates have been coming from Honor), i'm fine with it.
and based on the above, honor 8 Pro is still a good phone. i don't really care about the latest Android version. what is more important is that i'm using the smartphone for what it can do -- connecting me. and it's doing a great job at that.

mydragoon said:
i bought the honor 8 Pro because it is a good phone. great specs at affordable price. i din get it so i could get the latest version of Android. to me, so long as it works and it's patched (and while it's inconsistent but the updates have been coming from Honor), i'm fine with it.
and based on the above, honor 8 Pro is still a good phone. i don't really care about the latest Android version. what is more important is that i'm using the smartphone for what it can do -- connecting me. and it's doing a great job at that.
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U r right, It will still be a very good phone with good specs nod doubt.
Everyone has their own view.
Some people's like custom development.
And Huawei doing open source for view 10 and removing 8pro(v9)'s kernal sources is really disappointing.

When honor8pro was launched, Huawei/Honor out up a show like this is device is going to get all the required attention and care. Instead they struggled with patches itself. Not even updates, fhey couldn't make working patches.
They looked for market and found one. That's it. US market is unreachable at least for an year or two, so a new strategy is to push as many devices as they can in current markets while lobbying for US market.
Honor tried or picturized a Xiaomi like strategy but went Samsung ish. Hardware wise 8pro is matchless in its tier but then there isn't much you can boast about it on realtime usage. They nerfed battery when some issues started its that bad.
It's a compromise device that has been further compromised. I feel honor is a sinking ship. They're severely dependent on marketing than letting phones prove themselves. They have paid Android authority and even Xda well to keep featuring posts or reviews about their phones. So that neo nerds or spec hungry guys can devour these devices and guys like these are usually the ones that are looked up or called up by less nerdy or less tech literates for their next best phone.
Such fake image doesn't hold long and easily shatters. Just like one plus which promised big things and promised support and longevity unlike google... and then just ditched all that, Honor too promised devices with better specs and better support but well... at this rate honor 10view will bite the dust soon as well, or if things keep going bad for honor/Huawei they might loop back.
Only time will tell. But for now it sure is bleak for Honor8pro. There isn't a way to jump to custom roms either. So when **** hits the cieling this phone will be a glorified remote control.

In Nutshell, most of us in india got this device with buyback from flipkart, 1st week march that awaited period start. Time to switch back to some soft-support team with decent hardware, ASAP. My bid is back to moto. whats others planning ?
Regards,

sunilnair007 said:
In Nutshell, most of us in india got this device with buyback from flipkart, 1st week march that awaited period start. Time to switch back to some soft-support team with decent hardware, ASAP. My bid is back to moto. whats others planning ?
Regards,
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I didn't took buyback guarantee ?:crying:

Honor 8 pro is the most neglected so called "Flagship killer" of 2017/18.
Shortly after the release of 8 pro, they had taken down all official firmware sources.
View 10 is view 10 all over the globe. 8 pro is just a 128 GB variant of V9. So it has been completely neglected.
When Honor was questioned as to why firmware sources were removed, they gave a dumb reply saying it was HQ decision and they have least control over it.
This is like being in Apple ecosystem. Very sad to see such a potential device being neglected completely.
Honor has suddenly started focusing on lower budget segment in India after 8 pro's launch. Devices like 9 lite are starting to see updates for Face Unlock and yester year Flagship 8 pro is still with buggy Oreo update which they cannot fix.

amulbaby said:
Honor 8 pro is the most neglected so called "Flagship killer" of 2017/18.
Shortly after the release of 8 pro, they had taken down all official firmware sources.
View 10 is view 10 all over the globe. 8 pro is just a 128 GB variant of V9. So it has been completely neglected.
When Honor was questioned as to why firmware sources were removed, they gave a dumb reply saying it was HQ decision and they have least control over it.
This is like being in Apple ecosystem. Very sad to see such a potential device being neglected completely.
Honor has suddenly started focusing on lower budget segment in India after 8 pro's launch. Devices like 9 lite are starting to see updates for Face Unlock and yester year Flagship 8 pro is still with buggy Oreo update which they cannot fix.
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Honor is a dumb ass!! ?

Go to honor view 10 thread and flash RR OS. Works flawlessly on honor 8 pro. Just some glitches here and there. What custom ROM support do you guys want more?

kumar akarsh said:
Go to honor view 10 thread and flash RR OS. Works flawlessly on honor 8 pro. Just some glitches here and there. What custom ROM support do you guys want more?
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How is it working?
Is it because of project treble support?,

[email protected] said:
How is it working?
Is it because of project treble support?,
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its working quite good for me. yes it is because of treble.

kumar akarsh said:
its working quite good for me. yes it is because of treble.
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Then maybe With a bit of modification developers can port those rom to H8p.
Just No one will be interested:crying:

[email protected] said:
Then maybe With a bit of modification developers can port those rom to H8p.
Just No one will be interested:crying:
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lol. why port an already working ROM. it works like a charm with only few issues:
1. some animations are choppy(doesn't concern me much)
2. no volte(i don't need it)
3. no stock camera(will be added soon)
4. minor graphical glitches. (doesn't affect the overall interface)

kumar akarsh said:
lol. why port an already working ROM. it works like a charm with only few issues:
1. some animations are choppy(doesn't concern me much)
2. no volte(i don't need it)
3. no stock camera(will be added soon)
4. minor graphical glitches. (doesn't affect the overall interface)
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VOLTE is a big concern for me. Atleast in India.
Ok, lets not call it port----, fixing those glitches.
And jst turn of animation scale?, no problem of transitions.

[email protected] said:
VOLTE is a big concern for me. Atleast in India.
Ok, lets not call it port----, fixing those glitches.
And jst turn of animation scale, no problem of transitions.
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next aosp build by oldDroid will be much stable. but volte will take some time. we now have same rates on all operators. switch to some other.

Is Treble Overhyped? Unpopular opinion

Everyone seemed to be pretty excited about the 7x/Mate SE to have treble support. We have oreo and confirmed treble support. But what now? It seems like it doesn't really matter. Not that many roms being ported over. So whats up? Is treble support overhyped?

sfastudent said:
Everyone seemed to be pretty excited about the 7x/Mate SE to have treble support. We have oreo and confirmed treble support. But what now? It seems like it doesn't really matter. Not that many roms being ported over. So whats up? Is treble support overhyped?
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I think Huawei has updated a grand total of 31 phones across all the variants.

sfastudent said:
Everyone seemed to be pretty excited about the 7x/Mate SE to have treble support. We have oreo and confirmed treble support. But what now? It seems like it doesn't really matter. Not that many roms being ported over. So whats up? Is treble support overhyped?
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IMO.. Treble is more "Vendor-Friendly" than "User-Friendly" .
There is so much to dissect when it comes to the 7x.. why has Honor not released Nougat Firmware? this device was announced October of 17' and released December of 17'.. yet nothing.
Why did they *really* pull the bootloader-unlock page..
I'm sure, you'll see the Carbon, Linage, RR ROM's officially ported over eventually.. But you will not see the good old fashion "Developer Support" with the 7x. I mean not just ports but Kernel development.. and to be honest,
That's where you speed increases, better battery life, user-adjustable governors and features come from.. more so than any port is going to afford you.
That's where the 7x and it's Kirin Engine fall short.
Take a look at Moto G5 Plus thread ( I had one of those but @ 5.2 inches I did not like the screen size ) and just look at the development the Snapdragon 625 has gotten.. Even the Snapdragon 636 is already seeing a lot of love.. and seems like the perfect Price / Performance Engine for 2018.
The 7x is a good device.. just not a popular one.

What's next? SP or Oreo?

Are there any release notes for may security patch?
I hope we will receive oreo next..

Personally I think Oreo will come perhaps 1-2 months after the G6 launch.
I still see Motorola using the Android 7 v 8 comparison between the phones as a marketing ploy.

cpm said:
Personally I think Oreo will come perhaps 1-2 months after the G6 launch.
I still see Motorola using the Android 7 v 8 comparison between the phones as a marketing ploy.
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they have sent emails comparing the G5S having 7.1 vs the new G6 with android 8.0.. and then there are the fanboys of motorola saying it was never delayed..

Motorola could step up and give us the android P beta, then release the official in august-september, it counts as only one update just dreaming

M1810 said:
Motorola could step up and give us the android P beta, then release the official in august-september, it counts as only one update just dreaming
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Those are some high expectations my friend

psychopac said:
Those are some high expectations my friend
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i know haha, but i know the developers here will do an awesome work bringing P for us

M1810 said:
i know haha, but i know the developers here will do an awesome work bringing P for us
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Only if they don't move on to another device.

psychopac said:
Only if they don't move on to another device.
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hope not..

psychopac said:
Only if they don't move on to another device.
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The Galaxy Nexus got an 8.1 port so I doubt they would give up on the g5 phones

Consider this:
On how Oreo 8 works vs current 7 so it's a biggie https://www.androidpolice.com/2017/...-will-modularize-android-make-updates-faster/.

Moto G5 Plus will not support project treble

phil0sophic said:
Consider this:
On how Oreo 8 works vs current 7 so it's a biggie https://www.androidpolice.com/2017/...will-modularize-android-make-updates-faster/.
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Oreo != Treble. We won't get treble.
Lenovo screwed us over, stock-ish Android but no major updates or improvements other than security patches. I will never buy another one of their phones again that's for sure. Next device will probably be a Android One device like the Nokia 7 Plus.

Android P

Will Honor 8 pro get android P update as it supports treble which technically means android updates should be easier to get

Mohansai22 said:
Will Honor 8 pro get android P update as it supports treble which technically means android updates should be easier to get
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Nope:laugh:

This claims otherwise:
https://theleaker.com/huawei-honor-...onor_devices_eligible_for_Android_P_90_Update

Mister-B said:
This claims otherwise:
https://theleaker.com/huawei-honor-...onor_devices_eligible_for_Android_P_90_Update
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That's a great news

That's great if it is true. I don't see any sources, though.

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This claims otherwise:
https://theleaker.com/huawei-honor-...onor_devices_eligible_for_Android_P_90_Update
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Well Redmi Note 3 is also eligible for official Android P update, if Qualcomm releases 650 drivers, but....... hehehe, so u know the story my friend

Any news about the Honor 8 Pro getting Android P?
At least it is getting the GPU Turbo, so it is looking rather good with updates

MrHuman said:
Any news about the Honor 8 Pro getting Android P?
At least it is getting the GPU Turbo, so it is looking rather good with updates
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