downgrading question - Moto G5 Questions & Answers

Hello all
I have a question regarding downgrade.
I have a g5 xt 1676 dual sim 16 gb, 3gb ram. Now i am running npps 25.137-72-4 version. As u all know.. getting firmware for full flash is a pain for moto g5. I got this phone in some old firmware, and got two ota updates since then .. and it became 25.137-72-4 version..
Now i want to reflash it to stock firmware. I already have an unlocked bootloader .
So my question is.. since i have unlocked bootloader.. can i downgrade?
I have this firmware - CEDRIC_NPP25.137-33_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC
As you see.. this is 25.137-33
This is the latest i could get. ( Please feel free to share any updated firmware if you have, a twrp backup of untouched stock firmware will also work)
I am concerned about bootloader brick ( if any of you run 25.137-33 firmware, can you please share a picture of booloader screen, so that i can check if its the same as 25.137-72-4.)
So my plan is..
Since i have unlocked bootloader,
1) i hope i can flash 25.137-33 ( dont know if it works since i have updated firmware already) .
2) relock bootloader while flashing
3) receive ota update to update the 25.137-33 to 25.137-72-4.
And stay happy with a locked bootloader with complete stock firmware.
I dont know if this plan works, but i hope i can flash the downgraded firmware since i have unlocked bootloader.
So my primay concern and doubts are..
1) can i downgrade if i have an unlocked bootloader
2) is the bootloader of 25.137-33 same as that of 25.137-72-4
Please help me to solve these.

Below is the bootloader screen of my current firmware. 25.137-72-4
Can any one please check if it matches with the firmware 25.137-33

Any help for anyone? Can i downgrade with An unlocked bootloader?

Hi, I have the XT1670 variant, 32gb single sim
Currently running NPP25.137-93 firmware (actually a debloated version of that firmware).
Here's the picture of my bootloader I think it's the same as yours, I'm not sure if you can downgrade the bootloader, I have flashed the NPL25.137-33 several times in my phone and it always gives me error in the two first flash commands, this being "flash partition got.bin and flash bootloader.img"
The phone still reboots and works as it should
So can you downgrade? Yes I have done it and never had a problem
Can you relock your bootloader? I'm not sure
And I'm not sure if bootloader brick is a thing either
I hope this helps
Sorry I cant upload the picture but my bootloader version is: B8.23 (sha-8fcce1f, 2017-08-04 11:32:36)

salsaelpato said:
Hi, I have the XT1670 variant, 32gb single sim
Currently running NPP25.137-93 firmware (actually a debloated version of that firmware).
Here's the picture of my bootloader I think it's the same as yours, I'm not sure if you can downgrade the bootloader, I have flashed the NPL25.137-33 several times in my phone and it always gives me error in the two first flash commands, this being "flash partition got.bin and flash bootloader.img"
The phone still reboots and works as it should
So can you downgrade? Yes I have done it and never had a problem
Can you relock your bootloader? I'm not sure
And I'm not sure if bootloader brick is a thing either
I hope this helps
Sorry I cant upload the picture but my bootloader version is: B8.23 (sha-8fcce1f, 2017-08-04 11:32:36)
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You mean 25.137-33 is the version you have with b8.23 bootloader? If so its same.. not downgrade. But i dont know why u get flashing error even using same boot loaded.
1) flash partion got.bin - its the file that is responsible for repartitioning the nand memory and allocate partion for system, user data, kernel , radio, and all others..
2) flash bootloader.img - of course its the bootloader.. but how can it be error when u are flashing the same bootloader again

Do u have an unlocked or locked bootloader?

Unlocked bootloader, I have the version 25.137-93 with b8.23 bootloader, before flashing that firmware I had the 25.137-33 one with the same bootloader, there's a thread in the Moto G5 plus forum explaining how you can relock your bootloader, apparently it can be done, you have to relock your bootloader first in order to flash the complete firmware and receive ota updates

salsaelpato said:
Unlocked bootloader, I have the version 25.137-93 with b8.23 bootloader, before flashing that firmware I had the 25.137-33 one with the same bootloader, there's a thread in the Moto G5 plus forum explaining how you can relock your bootloader, apparently it can be done, you have to relock your bootloader first in order to flash the complete firmware and receive ota updates
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if you have 25.137-93 full firmware, can you upload it?

showlyshah said:
if you have 25.137-93 full firmware, can you upload it?
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Sorry I got it from a thread here in XDA but it's a debloated Rom

salsaelpato said:
Sorry I got it from a thread here in XDA but it's a debloated Rom
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Can you link that forum thread? So that i can ask the dev if he have it?

showlyshah said:
Can you link that forum thread? So that i can ask the dev if he have it?
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Sure here is
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5/development/rom-debloated-optimized-t3722396

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[Q] Question about lock bootloader

Hi All
When I bought my XM the fw version was .17.
Before unlock booltloader i was made a backup on TA partition.Then i was made ftf file with my stock firmware but yesterday i lost it
My Q is ,if i flash another firmware version .17 ,then can i restore the TA partition and relock BL again,or this can be make only for FW from who i'm bakced up TA partition?
I may be wrong, but you can relock your bootloader in any firmware, but if isn't the same version from when you did the backup then your phone will stuck in a bootloop after relocking, but if this happens, just use Sony Update Service to restore the correct firmware and get the phone working again after relocking...
Mhm only must be on stock kernel,thats right?No matter the fw version(.17 or .8)?
Spellbound_91 said:
Mhm only must be on stock kernel,thats right?No matter the fw version(.17 or .8)?
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Yes, I think
Today I successfully restored TA partition and relock BL without bootloop Thank you mbc07 You have BIG Thanks from me! :good:

[Q] How to be sure that Bootloader is Unlocked, still receiving OTA updates

Hi I am a newbie. I had rooted my phone using Towel-root method and am even using xposed framework and am running stock version. After this to Unlock my Bootloader I fallowed procedures as given by sony, but after i entered unlock command in cmd, my xpeira m went into bootloop.
I tried repaing usning pc companion it said that my mobile has been modified and cant repair, and hence using flashtool flashed stock xperia m rom and had to root again.
But the problem is that I still receive OTA updates from Sony for Walkman and album apps. If my booloader is unlocked I shouldn't be recieving those right ? How can I confirm for sure without flashing anything ?
Another question: Now If i flash CWM from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...ery-philz-touch-6-41-6-xm-dual-t2795778/page2 will that erase my rom ? I mean do I have to flash my stock rom and reroot after flashing CWM for my device to work ?
i think i have an answer
raghu18 said:
Hi I am a newbie. I had rooted my phone using Towel-root method and am even using xposed framework and am running stock version. After this to Unlock my Bootloader I fallowed procedures as given by sony, but after i entered unlock command in cmd, my xpeira m went into bootloop.
I tried repaing usning pc companion it said that my mobile has been modified and cant repair, and hence using flashtool flashed stock xperia m rom and had to root again.
But the problem is that I still receive OTA updates from Sony for Walkman and album apps. If my booloader is unlocked I shouldn't be recieving those right ? How can I confirm for sure without flashing anything ?
Another question: Now If i flash CWM from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...ery-philz-touch-6-41-6-xm-dual-t2795778/page2 will that erase my rom ? I mean do I have to flash my stock rom and reroot after flashing CWM for my device to work ?
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Hi raghu,
see answer to ur first question, i dont think bootloader status will effect ur updates , because at first i tried to install CWM and went into bootloop , before that i unlocked my bootloader using flashtool, so i flashed .ftf file and went back to stock , when i tried to flash CWM i noticed that my bootloader was still unlocked , flashing .ftf didnt change it at all. i dont know whether this happened to me accidentally or it will really doesnt effect ur bootloader status but the answer is bootloader status will not effect ur updats ( as far as i knw).
answer to ur 2nd question is no it wont erase ( i am sure about it :good ur current ROM, if u flash it right. Dont worry i tried that recovery before, its gud and flash carefully, dont end up into bootloop once again ..safe flashing
thnx :good::good:
Your device's bootloader is absolutely locked if you are still receiving the OTA updates (and installing ). And I would suggest you to check the Bootloader status in Flashtool.
No flashing the CWM will not affect your current ROM
XDAOwner!! said:
Your device's bootloader is absolutely locked if you are still receiving the OTA updates (and installing ). And I would suggest you to check the Bootloader status in Flashtool.
No flashing the CWM will not affect your current ROM
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Thnx mate really helped me.
If I flash cwm on Locked Bootloader
Thank you guys for explanation. Please describe how I can check if my bootloader is locked using flashtool ??? and what happens if cwm is flashed on locked bootloader ( Just in case )
raghu18 said:
Thank you guys for explanation. Please describe how I can check if my bootloader is locked using flashtool ??? and what happens if cwm is flashed on locked bootloader ( Just in case )
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hey there,
open flashtool and look at the figure below
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ncyza0776myusll/Capture.PNG?dl=0
connect ur phone in flashmode and click on the BLU icon , then it will automatically get the code for ur IMEI and all u need to do is click Unlock and if u flash CWM on locked bootloader it wont work and u may end up in bootloop ( nt sure abt that coz never tried till nw )
hit thanks if this helps.:good::good::good:
hope this helps ,
As far as I am aware only the OTA firmware updates no longer work when you unlock your bootloader, the OTA application updates should work as intended.
For installing the kernel, all you have to do is put your device into fastboot mode, select the kernel with flashtool and then let flashtool work its magic. It won't wipe your ROM as it doesn't touch the /system partition.
You don't even need flashtool to check your bootloader unlock status either. Type in *#*#7378423#*#*, tap Service info, tap Configuration. You will see a section what says rooting status. Underneath rooting status you will find your bootloader status, it will read one of three things;
1) Bootloader unlock allowed: No (meaning you cannot unlock your bootloader, you shouldn't see this as you have unlocked yours by the sounds of the first post)
2) Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes (meaning you can unlock your bootloader, if it says this and you plan on unlocking the bootloader I hope you make backups of your TA partition cause you have no way of locking your bootloader again else. This goes for anybody reading this)
2) Bootloader unlock: Yes (meaning your bootloader is unlocked).
gamer649 said:
You don't even need flashtool to check your bootloader unlock status either. Type in *#*#7378423#*#*, tap Service info, tap Configuration. You will see a section what says rooting status. Underneath rooting status you will find your bootloader status, it will read one of three things;
1) Bootloader unlock allowed: No (meaning you cannot unlock your bootloader, you shouldn't see this as you have unlocked yours by the sounds of the first post)
2) Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes (meaning you can unlock your bootloader, if it says this and you plan on unlocking the bootloader I hope you make backups of your TA partition cause you have no way of locking your bootloader again else. This goes for anybody reading this)
2) Bootloader unlock: Yes (meaning your bootloader is unlocked).
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Thanks a ton man, You cleared all my doubts. Mine says "Boot Unloacked: Yes" , so I will proceed to flashing cwm. and ya I had taken TA backup.
Thank again
Hi my bro @gamer649 how can I backup my TA partition?
Thanx for ur help
kh34d said:
Hi my bro @gamer649 how can I backup my TA partition?
Thanx for ur help
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May be you can find in here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484622&page=1
Try this ok
Hi my bro @Nicklas Van Dam.... U r my hero man
u helped me every time
I see u Unlocked ur Bootloader and use ROM with CyanogenMod 12 Alpha Unofficial build 20141121
i want to do like you
plz tell me about ur experience is this rom good?? if u want by message or here
many Thanx for helping me
kh34d said:
Hi my bro @Nicklas Van Dam.... U r my hero man
u helped me every time
I see u Unlocked ur Bootloader and use ROM with CyanogenMod 12 Alpha Unofficial build 20141121
i want to do like you
plz tell me about ur experience is this rom good?? if u want by message or here
many Thanx for helping me
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hi my friend @kh34d i've been send my experience about my rom that i used, just check out on your inbox, and want you be my friend?

Flash a stock firmware on MT7-L09

Hi guys,
but if you wanted to flash the original firmware how to proceed?
drumex said:
Hi guys,
but if you wanted to flash the original firmware how to proceed?
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You need the original fw on an SD card and the stock bootloader. Boot into recovery and install the fw. There are several threads in the forum discussing the details.
vonotny said:
You need the original fw on an SD card and the stock bootloader. Boot into recovery and install the fw. There are several threads in the forum discussing the details.
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ok thanks .... but if I had unlocked bootloader works equally?
drumex said:
ok thanks .... but if I had unlocked bootloader works equally?
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Yes, it doesn't matter whether the BL is locked or unlocked, or whether your current fw is rooted or not.
I downloaded stock rom and copied to dload/update.app but all it gives me Error in recovery. Is there a way to flash stock software to this phone using a windows tool ? This is one of the most inconvient phones to flash.

Version latest stock rom

Does anyone have the latest retail version of the G5S rom stock?
Version latest is NPP26.102-49-1
this firmware will not come out, it will have to wait for the next one.
lohanbarth said:
this firmware will not come out, it will have to wait for the next one.
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But mine version is on NPPS26.102-63-1
Will this version be released?
And if I try to flash .49 version will I get error?
Thanks a lot
I think I found one place where it's suposed to host the "MONTANA_NPP26.102-63_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip" file, but it's a paid download site.
i'm not going to pay to download because money in Brazil is something very scarce especially for something charged in dollar :silly:
if you wanna try, here is: https://www.top-firmware.com/index.php?a=browse&b=file-info&id=26032
and if in any case you get this file, please share with us
bycabraljr said:
I think I found one place where it's suposed to host the "MONTANA_NPP26.102-63_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip" file, but it's a paid download site.
i'm not going to pay to download because money in Brazil is something very scarce especially for something charged in dollar :silly:
if you wanna try, here is: https://www.top-firmware.com/index.php?a=browse&b=file-info&id=26032
and if in any case you get this file, please share with us
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So my guess is, we can still flash .49 version rom even we're on higher version. (just simply not to flash gpt.bin, this cause error when your version is newer than .49)
And after installed .49 version, we will receive OTA update then we update it?
Not sure if this is the correct way to get back to stock rom and relock the bootloader...
michael50310 said:
So my guess is, we can still flash .49 version rom even we're on higher version. (just simply not to flash gpt.bin, this cause error when your version is newer than .49)
And after installed .49 version, we will receive OTA update then we update it?
Not sure if this is the correct way to get back to stock rom and relock the bootloader...
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To relock the bootloader you'll need a firmware more recent than the previous one you installed. If you had the .49-1 installed, you'll may need to wait for one more recent firmware popout as this .49 will give errors while installing (the "oem lock begin" command only locks the bootloader if you install every single file from the firmware, which will fail because an lower version of the firmware was installed).
In short: you can get back to stock but can't relock bootloader unless you didn't installed the OTA .49-1 or have an more recent firmware available
bycabraljr said:
To relock the bootloader you'll need a firmware more recent than the previous one you installed. If you had the .49-1 installed, you'll may need to wait for one more recent firmware popout as this .49 will give errors while installing (the "oem lock begin" command only locks the bootloader if you install every single file from the firmware, which will fail because an lower version of the firmware was installed).
In short: you can get back to stock but can't relock bootloader unless you didn't installed the OTA .49-1 or have an more recent firmware available
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Gotcha. So after reverted to .49 form higher version, will I be able to get OTA update to higher version? Tks a lot!
michael50310 said:
Gotcha. So after reverted to .49 form higher version, will I be able to get OTA update to higher version? Tks a lot!
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Yes, you can update without worries. Just remember to maintain your system untouched before any update. If you root or install custom recovery, the update will fail and may get into a boot loop
bycabraljr said:
Yes, you can update without worries. Just remember to maintain your system untouched before any update. If you root or install custom recovery, the update will fail and may get into a boot loop
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So I'm currently running NPPS26.102-63-1 , and my bootloader is unlocked. Am I still capable for OTA update? And if I decided to install custom recovery and rom, can I flash .49 version stock rom?
michael50310 said:
So I'm currently running NPPS26.102-63-1 , and my bootloader is unlocked. Am I still capable for OTA update? And if I decided to install custom recovery and rom, can I flash .49 version stock rom?
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You can upgrade through OTA with unlocked bootloader, you only can't if you modify your system. But if you are running .63-1 I'm not certain about reinstalling the .49 ROM as they may be different, like different modem or other resources like NFC resulting in bricking. Test at your own risk. I'd like to test .63 ROM, but I can't find any free places to download it.
(Or if you want you can also try the ZUI ROM, it's a stock rom from a chinese moto g5s with ZUI interface)
bycabraljr said:
You can upgrade through OTA with unlocked bootloader, you only can't if you modify your system. But if you are running .63-1 I'm not certain about reinstalling the .49 ROM as they may be different, like different modem or other resources like NFC resulting in bricking. Test at your own risk. I'd like to test .63 ROM, but I can't find any free places to download it.
(Or if you want you can also try the ZUI ROM, it's a stock rom from a chinese moto g5s with ZUI interface)
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So the reason is the latest firmware for locking bootloader
Untill now I have thought that the problem is with only my device can we ask for Motorola for the latest firmware releases so that we can relock our bootloader
Talwar sridhar said:
So the reason is the latest firmware for locking bootloader
Untill now I have thought that the problem is with only my device can we ask for Motorola for the latest firmware releases so that we can relock our bootloader
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They used to have a site for you to download firmware, but it hasn't been updated like 3years... Even Moto support doesn't know where to get it..

RELOCK bootloader

soo hackers, who know how relock bootloader to that chinese phone?
machiavelly said:
soo hackers, who know how relock bootloader to that chinese phone?
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I bricked my phone yesterday and flashed the stock recovery via the MIUI flashing tool. B4 I went to reinstall TWRP and Root the device again,q I checked the bootloader status and found it had been locked. I went to unlock via the unlock tool and surprising to say I didn't have to wait 3 days this time.

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