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What Windows Phone 7 theme do you use?
Would be interesting to see what combination is the most popular
Mines Orange on Black
I use the standard blue,
But what I would really like to use is Black on White...
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I use the standard blue,
But what I would really like to use is Black on White...
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That'd be a pretty cool theme. Would probably look like the email theme.
I have not decided on one yet but its interesting to see the votes though.
I personally swap, lean abit more to orange (which is what I voted for) but would swap to blue when I'm feeling like it lol.
I'm using "HTC" on black.
I found the green HTC theme better than other green.
I'll be using Red on Black!
Just pushing this thread back up since WP7 will be coming out in the states this week, and hopefully would push the total votes up
Pushing again, same reason as my last post
orange on black atm, cant wait untill its possible to use custom colors and do black on black
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orange on black atm, cant wait untill its possible to use custom colors and do black on black
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Hehe that I'd like to see.
Red on white, here.
The HTC Theme!
I just love it!
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I use the standard blue,
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agree, black&white and/or greys would be great.
on another note during day i almost always use the white design and after sunset/when its dark i switch to the dark design.
i would have never thougt i would actually take the hassle of switching back and fort but somehow the two designs are really practical in different lightning conditions. I really appreciate microsoft included both options; one of the features which tunred out to be super usefull on WP7 enabled phones
Teal on Black here
Teal is like Blue, but stylish Try it
any chance that in a future update.. i might be able to have a little bit more variety in my colors?? don't get me wrong.. the "core" colors are pretty much there...but they completely forgot about other major colors... such as yellow, grey, white, black (as a tile color not the background... in case you're completely oblivious to the obvious) etc... it doesn't seem like something that would be that hard to minclude in an update.. yet it seems very elementary that it would be forgotten at launch
I think a colour selection wheel for the tiles would be awesome.
I'm using green on black because it's the most power-saving combination for SAMOLED-screens but I'd like to try grey on black or maybe gold on black.
I thought Id like green on black, but i tried red on black (which i originally thought was too strong a color) and it works surprisingly well
Push. Incase theres more peeps who recently received their WP7 device.
Just FYI,
For the Samsung Focus and Omnia 7 or any device using Amoled screen.
Do not use:
- White background, it takes 3 times the power of normal LCD to produce white.
- Red theme, it makes characters look more pixelated and the edges of tiles grainy.
- Blue theme, blue color dies first in Amoled screens.
Do use:
- Black background, it uses the least power and much much less than a LCD.
- Green/lime would be your best bet since the fonts and tiles look much more clear and crisp because of the double pixels/saturation on green color.
Previous to my GN, I've had a Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy S II (international version) and on all of the phones black levels were pitch black and no different to the screen being completely off. Despite still being an AMOLED display, it seems the GN's screen can't do pitch black.
As a test, go in a dark room and open the clock app. Long press anywhere on the screen and the clock will go into night mode where it will be a completely black screen with just the time showing. You'll notice that there is a still a bit of light emitting from the dark spots.
A little disappointing... I wonder if this could be fixed in software.
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Previous to my GN, I've had a Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy S II (international version) and on all of the phones black levels were pitch black and no different to the screen being completely off. Despite still being an AMOLED display, it seems the GN's screen can't do pitch black.
As a test, go in a dark room and open the clock app. Long press anywhere on the screen and the clock will go into night mode where it will be a completely black screen with just the time showing. You'll notice that there is a still a bit of light emitting from the dark spots.
A little disappointing... I wonder if this could be fixed in software.
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It can do pure black but not everything is pure black. I just rebooted and say the Google boot image. Its solid black. I'm in a dark room now and can't tell a difference where the soft keys end and the case begins.
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Previous to my GN, I've had a Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy S II (international version) and on all of the phones black levels were pitch black and no different to the screen being completely off. Despite still being an AMOLED display, it seems the GN's screen can't do pitch black.
As a test, go in a dark room and open the clock app. Long press anywhere on the screen and the clock will go into night mode where it will be a completely black screen with just the time showing. You'll notice that there is a still a bit of light emitting from the dark spots.
A little disappointing... I wonder if this could be fixed in software.
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Actually that's just the clock app, you can easily see that it's an extremely dimmed version of your wallpaper. My wallpaper is this http://cooldesktopbackgroundsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/34327523.png
and I can easily see the eye in the dark mode.
I don't see how your background could make a difference. Night mode is completely black. Just look at the screen shot.
I can also notice this when first booting up and see the Google logo. It was the same this on two other units that I looked at, so I don't think it's unique to my phone. To truly notice it you have to be in a pitch black room. I only noticed it because I was using my phone as a bed side clock.
No screen will give you true black that close... Maybe you need a plasma tv screen
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tryceo said:
No screen will give you true black that close... Maybe you need a plasma tv screen
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The whole point of AMOLED is that each pixel is it's own light source which can be completely turned off. True black was possible on every AMOLED phone I've ever used prior to this one.
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The whole point of AMOLED is that each pixel is it's own light source which can be completely turned off. True black was possible on every AMOLED phone I've ever used prior to this one.
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That is exactly correct. Fortunately, at very low brightness, my GN does indeed display true black. I have an all black background and if I cover the time, I can't tell a difference between the phone off and on. Keep in mind that true black only occurs under extremely low brightness. Turning the brightness up introduces a bit of light polution.
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The whole point of AMOLED is that each pixel is it's own light source which can be completely turned off. True black was possible on every AMOLED phone I've ever used prior to this one.
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No, no... I've owned the Fascinate on Verizon and when in complete darkness you can see a little bit of light emitting from the screen. The Gnex just has more pixels so there's probably more light emitting. But the blacks don't seem to be any less black than my Fascinate. When you turn the screen on the pixels must be excited in order to know when they must turn on or off, this will still emit a miniscule amount light.
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I don't see how your background could make a difference. Night mode is completely black. Just look at the screen shot.
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I'm sorry but you're TERRIBLY mistaken and I wish this thread would get deleted before you confuse others! Night mode is simply DIMMED. It is NOT 100% black, but transparently darkened. There is a really easy way you can see this for yourself, simply turn on an animated live wall paper and go into night mode in the clock. You'll se the moving live wallpaper in the background in the "black" areas. That screen shot you took is showing the TRANSPARENCY where it's black. It is NOT actually black there!!!
The GNEX screen is JUST as black as any other SAMOLED Screen if not even more so! If you want to see 100% black - just boot into clockwork mod recovery! the entire background ther is 100% black and you'll see how inky black it looks! That said the status bar at the top of the screen is also black, and blends right in with the bezel.
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The whole point of AMOLED is that each pixel is it's own light source which can be completely turned off. True black was possible on every AMOLED phone I've ever used prior to this one.
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when i dim my clock app i can still easily see my background live wallpaper...
Let's leave race out of this. We're all created equal.
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jburnette87 said:
Let's leave race out of this. We're all created equal.
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well, uhm, white ain't completely white either. haha.
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well, uhm, white ain't completely white either. haha.
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Lol
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Protonus said:
I'm sorry but you're TERRIBLY mistaken and I wish this thread would get deleted before you confuse others! Night mode is simply DIMMED. It is NOT 100% black, but transparently darkened. There is a really easy way you can see this for yourself, simply turn on an animated live wall paper and go into night mode in the clock. You'll se the moving live wallpaper in the background in the "black" areas. That screen shot you took is showing the TRANSPARENCY where it's black. It is NOT actually black there!!!
The GNEX screen is JUST as black as any other SAMOLED Screen if not even more so! If you want to see 100% black - just boot into clockwork mod recovery! the entire background ther is 100% black and you'll see how inky black it looks! That said the status bar at the top of the screen is also black, and blends right in with the bezel.
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What are you smoking? Download that screen shot and check thd color yourself. Its #000000, meaning BLACK. The only confusion is with people not knowing how to go into that mode in the clock. LONG PRESS, not just a simple tap.
Managed to finally find another thread talking about this. Theres even photographic evidence using a long exposure shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371449
I guess the comment that there is always a minimum amount of power in even the black pixels could be accurate.
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Managed to finally find another thread talking about this. Theres even photographic evidence using a long exposure shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371449
I guess the comment that there is always a minimum amount of power in even the black pixels could be accurate.
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Yes. From what I have read (OLED information, a few book selections, and an interesting patent) sAMOLED displays include what is called "pixel pre-charging".
This is due to the fact that it is far easier to precisely control the pixel, which corresponds to a "drive voltage", when the starting point is a pre-charge. Its faster and more accurate. However the pre-charge causes light to be emitted. There is no avoiding that. As much as people say "my nexus s/galaxy s/galaxy s 2 have pure black", there is NO SUCH THING even on a sAMOLED display. Contrast ratio for the Galaxy Nexus is 100,000:1 rather than infinite.
Hi, just wanted to put this topic to rest.
Was somewhat disappointed in the screen performance of the Galaxy Nexus, coming from an Galaxy S2. However I reckon it is an issue that can be fixed with drivers.
The blacks on the Galaxy Nexus are far from as good as the SAMOLED+ panel on the SGS2.
Here are some pictures of them side by side with the clock app set to night modus.
Not a deal breaker for me, but I hope this is improved in future updates.
PS: Sorry for the big-ass pictures..
my screen is blacker than the bezel..
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What is your wallpaper, cause I think I can see it in the second to last photo. Like stated above, the clock is only a semi transparency over the wallpaper. Run a screen checker and take pictures of that black, that would be a better test and example
Edit: in all likely hood its just a calibration issue. Franco's kernel improved whites and colors significantly over stock. Personally, I can see that its not 100% black at the moment, but it is 99.999% black. And 100x better than backlit
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The technology switches off the pixel so there is no blacker than that if you are not getting pure black then something is wrong most probably the wallpaper is not really black.
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The reasons why I purchased a Tab S 8.4 were its awesome screen quality and high grade processor. For the later, the poor touchwiz optimization and the average gpu led to disappointing results. But well, the screen IS awesome !
Or is it ?
At first, I was truly impressed. But after some web browsing and reading e-books, something felt wrong with the colors homogeneity. On white backgrounds, the right part of the screen in portrait mode would tend towards a yellowish tone, while the left part would tend toward purple tones. Nothing obvious, but quite annoying when noticed.
After trying around with different backgrounds, it become more obvious with certain colors. The one used in settings background for example: The left side of the screen is deep blue, the right part is much lighter.. and greener.
Further investigating the issue, I figured it is most obvious when watched in the darkness and using dark colors: RBG such as R:0, G:10 , B: 20 or even R:20, G:10, B:0
Did anyone else notice similar issues ? Would you guys mind trying to create a R:0, G:10, B:20 (#000A14) background and check the result on your tab S in a low light environment ? On mine, it results in an obvious gradation from dark blue to green.
Attaching some pictures. The rendering is not the best especially in the darkness, but the issue remains clearly visible.
There is something very wrong with your screen. Return it.
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There is something very wrong with your screen. Return it.
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I second that, that is not normal
I concur with the others, get it replaced.
AMOLED screens can fail for any number of reasons (pixel death is the main one) , if yours is showing problems get it replaced now rather than live with it and have a more serious problem later.
We've seen this yellow color issue reported by a few others. Looks like Samsung let a few diseased horses out of the barn. I concur with the others. Return it.
Thanks for your feedback, guys.
I'd like to highlight the fact this issue goes completely unnoticed in most scenarios. A friend I showed it on white background didn't notice it at all, in movies/games/pictures I don't see it at all. I only felt it while reading, and even then it was not obvious, just a persistant feeling that led me to further testing.
Only the extremely dark colors seem to be affected, and even then it's only noticeable in the darkness. I will go back to the store tomorow and exchange it for a new one, but I'm wondering if the issue isn't widespread and simply went under the radar as its effect is hardly noticeable in 99.9% of the situations.
Did anyone else check at an homogenous R:0, G:10, B:20 image in the darkness with their tab ?
I personnally used Moon+ Reader's background color settings for testing purpose, pretty easy to set up.
New Tab S, same issue
I changed my Tab S 8.4 today for a brand new one. Same test, same issue: the background is still not homogeneous. The issue is visible in the darkness on dark colors such as the one used for the settings menu, which seems naturally gradated from deep to lighter blue on my screen.
Could someone else test and reproduce the issue on their tab ?
I have tried to reproduce what you're seeing on my 10.5 and honestly I can't. I'm not going to say the white is always 100% pure white but it's close enough. At the same time I'm trying to avoid looking for something that's not there for my Tab.
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I changed my Tab S 8.4 today for a brand new one. Same test, same issue: the background is still not homogeneous. The issue is visible in the darkness on dark colors such as the one used for the settings menu, which seems naturally gradated from deep to lighter blue on my screen.
Could someone else test and reproduce the issue on their tab ?
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Maybe you can go into Settings / Accessibility / Vision / Color Adjustments and see if your calibration is off. There is a test there where you arrange tiles by color gradation and it adjusts your screen. I am having none of the issues you mentioned, but my 10.5 Tab also passed that test with no color adjustments required. Give it a try.
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Maybe you can go into Settings / Accessibility / Vision / Color Adjustments and see if your calibration is off. There is a test there where you arrange tiles by color gradation and it adjusts your screen. I am having none of the issues you mentioned, but my 10.5 Tab also passed that test with no color adjustments required. Give it a try.
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Test completed successfully. The calibration is fine, and the issue is not noticeable during the test. The issue is actually not noticeable in most usages, I only see it on homogenous very dark color backgrounds (the 10% darkest colors), and while in a dark environment myself. In most common usages, the screen looks fantastic and flawless.
Unfortunately, I often use my toys in my bed in the darkness. AND I am concerned about a possible defect that would get worse over time.
That said, tests on similar colored backgrounds on other AMOLED screens (PS Vita, Galaxy SII) lead me to think this could be a global issue with AMOLED.
Unfortunately, I often use my toys in my bed in the darkness.
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Lol, to those of us with a perverse sense of humor we would refer to that as a hanging curveball.
Whatever issues you are experiencing I would take that over LCD light bleed any day.
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Test completed successfully. The calibration is fine, and the issue is not noticeable during the test. The issue is actually not noticeable in most usages, I only see it on homogenous very dark color backgrounds (the 10% darkest colors), and while in a dark environment myself. In most common usages, the screen looks fantastic and flawless.
Unfortunately, I often use my toys in my bed in the darkness. AND I am concerned about a possible defect that would get worse over time.
That said, tests on similar colored backgrounds on other AMOLED screens (PS Vita, Galaxy SII) lead me to think this could be a global issue with AMOLED.
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Dear Friend. Like you I am very sensible in that point. I have a lot behind me and I can tell you, that homogeneity is something we can not expect from all types of modern displays, except the pro ones with a special function that takes care about this issue. Any screen has such issues, the question is just what type of and the intensity differs. The lower the light in our environment the more sensible our eyes get. The longer we stare into the screen the better we see all color details. Worst case scenario is a totally darkened room. Your eyes won´t get more sensible than in such a situation. Especially AMOLED displays will show the strangest kind of irregularities you would never see normally. I remember the Tab 7.7 -- in a dark room the screen was over and over covered with black circles. Wow ! The Vita shows strange textures instead. It is horrible.
My advice to you would be to start trying to avoid using your tablet or any display in a dark room. Turn a light on, it will be nice for your brain and eyes and you will not see the described things. It´s just a matter of habit, nothing else. You will get used to it and probably feel very well with it. Anyway there will still be the green haze.... Not to talk about the yellowish etc. stuff.
I returned the Tab S for a MiPad and it´s much better, really nice homogeneity (compared to other actual devices).
I had 4-5 iPad Mini Retina and all of them have horrible yellowish/blueish tint.
I had 4 iPad Airs, 3 were horrible in a similar way, now the 4th one is okay, I finally had luck.
I had 2 Galaxy 12.2 - the first one yellowish in a quarter, the second has just a slight, short yellow stripe on the bottom border.
I had a Kindle Fire HD + HDX - both with bad, ugly green spots at borders and corners. Also partially yellowish.
Once I held a Galaxy Tab 3 in my hands that was actually flawless. I was shocked. It never happened again. Was from a classmate.
Today I guess it was a mistake since I could not test in in a home-at-night-environment.
I checked dozens of Tablets in big stores here - guess what I found ???
Look at the iMacs .... Horrible yellowish tint. Horrible. It´s a shame.
I use my Tab S 10.5 in a dark room with some regularity. I've never experienced any of these odd artifacts you guys are discussing. My black screen is just black. Colors look right. White is white. I think its a fallacy to claim that all amoled screens face these issues. The amoled screen on the Tab S is the best most advanced amoled screen ever created. Problems from older devices shouldn't apply here.
Please remember based upon other user input, Samsung did seem to have a run of defective screens on these tabs they put out.
Here's a quick video test taken in a pretty dark room (it's daytime here). As you can see the screen is just black. There is absolutely no reason to avoid viewing your Tab S in a dark room. If you are not seeing the solid black I have demonstrated in this video I suggest exchanging your possibly defective unit.
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Did anyone else check at an homogenous R:0, G:10, B:20 image in the darkness with their tab ?
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In my experience 100% of AMOLED displays exhibit this behaviour, i.e. both Tab S 8.4 I've had! The first one (exchanged because of unhappy whites) had it so obviously that it looked like a diagonal gradient fade to one corner. The second tablet shows it as a slightly patchy screen, see attached photo which looks worse than the reality.
This is only visible in a completely dark room with the display set to its darkest (or close to), displaying a very dark image (my photo is of the spec. you mentioned - hence blue/green colour). To show this I needed to use an exposure of about 1 second, if you use less the image will appear black, likewise (probably) if you try to capture it as a video using normal ISO values in camera, the camera won't pick up the background.
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In my experience 100% of AMOLED displays exhibit this behaviour, i.e. both Tab S 8.4 I've had! The first one (exchanged because of unhappy whites) had it so obviously that it looked like a diagonal gradient fade to one corner. The second tablet shows it as a slightly patchy screen, see attached photo which looks worse than the reality.
This is only visible in a completely dark room with the display set to its darkest (or close to), displaying a very dark image (my photo is of the spec. you mentioned - hence blue/green colour). To show this I needed to use an exposure of about 1 second, if you use less the image will appear black, likewise (probably) if you try to capture it as a video using normal ISO values in camera, the camera won't pick up the background.
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All I can say is that is seriously messed up. My screen looks nothing like that and just as pitch black as in my video. Considering black pixels in amoled screens are basically turned off, they should be utterly and completely black and devoid of light. Am I misunderstanding and your picture is of a blue background?
All other dark colors should be solid without strange light effects as well.
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All I can say is that is seriously messed up. My screen looks nothing like that and just as pitch black as in my video. Considering black pixels in amoled screens are basically turned off, they should be utterly and completely black and devoid of light. Am I misunderstanding and your picture is of a blue background?.
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It's daytime for me at the moment but yes from memory, if you display an actual black image then it will appear as black, you see this effect when trying to display an image that is almost black, at very low levels of light output the (my!) panel isn't even.
The attached image is R0 G10 B20 and on my PC looks black - it isn't I just used "ColorPic" to check the screen colour and it shows those values.
It's not a big issue but does appear when using in fully dark room with brightness turned down, I notice it in some apps that have very dark background colours (which you'd assume were black and see as such in daylight, but aren't).
Obviously under these circumstances an LCD would appear as a (relatively) bright grey !
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It's daytime for me at the moment but yes from memory, if you display an actual black image then it will appear as black, you see this effect when trying to display an image that is almost black, at very low levels of light output the (my!) panel isn't even.
The attached image is R0 G10 B20 and on my PC looks black - it isn't I just used "ColorPic" to check the screen colour and it shows those values.
It's not a big issue but does appear when using in fully dark room with brightness turned down, I notice it in some apps that have very dark background colours (which you'd assume were black and see as such in daylight, but aren't).
Obviously under these circumstances an LCD would appear as a (relatively) bright grey !
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OK I'm a bit confused. The image you attached looks either black or very very dark gray on my screen. No color variation at all. Oh well
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OK I'm a bit confused. The image you attached looks either black or very very dark gray on my screen. No color variation at all. Oh well
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Same on my tab in daylight, it only appears patchy when in a very dark room with brightness turned right down. Maybe amongst the variations some will be perfect?
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Same on my tab in daylight, it only appears patchy when in a very dark room with brightness turned right down. Maybe amongst the variations some will be perfect?
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Still beats LCD light bleed
Hello ..., is there any way to tweak the white balance ? I just got my tablet, it' s amazing by the way, but i want to make the white color a little bit cooler! Thanks!!
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Hello ..., is there any way to tweak the white balance ? I just got my tablet, it' s amazing by the way, but i want to make the white color a little bit cooler! Thanks!!
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It is possible by adjusting color temperature by by available yet atm
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It is possible by adjusting color temperature by by available yet atm
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Can you explain to me how i can do the adjustment?
Do i need to root the tablet or from the menu? (The only tweak i found from menu is the color profiles : amoled basic, amoled cinema, etc) I have a sony xperia phone and it has an option to adjust the white balance with a slider!
Thanks..
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Can you explain to me how i can do the adjustment?
Do i need to root the tablet or from the menu? (The only tweak i found from menu is the color profiles : amoled basic, amoled cinema, etc) I have a sony xperia phone and it has an option to adjust the white balance with a slider!
Thanks..
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needs kernel support, so be patient and wait until someone make it
Today I got two 8.4 Tabs, both wifi only versions in my hands and I was impressed, that the white color was different. Sadly, the whites on mine were a little bit more yellowish, warmer, and a little bit dirtier. Is this normal for samoled?
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Today I got two 8.4 Tabs, both wifi only versions in my hands and I was impressed, that the white color was different. Sadly, the whites on mine were a little bit more yellowish, warmer, and a little bit dirtier. Is this normal for samoled?
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my experiences tell not all screens produce the same color, some are yellowish, while others are slightly blue, which can make white color a bit grey, etc
once i wanted to buy a note2 but i found its so bluish and therefore no deal
so each time I buy a phone, esp amoled, I will check the screen (and other things of coz) before I pay
I currently have 2 Galaxy Tab has 10.5 inch at home and deciding which one to keep. The main difference between the two is that one has a newer build date and love one screen seems to be a little more orange brown tint to the white versus the other tablet seems to be a little more blue yellow intent. Other than that perform identically however I did notice that when I run the CPU temperature app that the one with the yellow blue tinted screen seems to run a few degrees cooler most of the time except when using Chrome when where the other tablet seems to run several degrees cooler but only when JavaScript is activated.
One little trick in addition to adjusting the temperature using the adaptive display were changing from AMOLED basic to Evelyn cinema to make it cooler, is to go into the accessibility settings and then go into divisions section and then go into the area where one can do a test of their color as if they needed adjustments because of their own visual impairment. If you run that test and intentionally miss order the color tiles, and then will activate the option to allow you to adjust a slider which can further give you A white screen that seems to be somewhere in between the really blue display and the really warm AMOLED basic
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Old thread i know but i just wanted to thank you for that tip Canadoc. I've been struggling with the excessively warm image from my Tab S for a year now and while putting it into "Cinema" mode fixes the white balance it also destroys the contrast by making all subtle dark detail just disappear. This accessibility method has given me much nicer whites without affecting the contrast other than removing the orange haze. I assume the colours are going to be slightly different now but i can't say i've noticed anything there. I wish the Tab S had the same display options as the Galaxy S5 has where you can choose the cooler white level without hammering the contrast too. Maybe it's something Samsung do in order to protect the lifespan of the blue sub-pixel?
So thanks again
When the tab s 8.4 came out the screen quality was a bit variable, but it's been months since I have have read of anybody having a problem, see if you cab get a replacement.
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
When the tab s 8.4 came out the screen quality was a bit variable, but it's been months since I have have read of anybody having a problem, see if you cab get a replacement.
John
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Mine's the 10.5 and this is the second one i got which was exactly the same as the first one in screen tone.
I always wondered if third-world country`s got B-C grade stock, as the consumer protection can be poor or non-existent, maybe it`s cheaper for the re-seller to buy this lower grade stock with screen color problems ect, I dont know?
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
I always wondered if third-world country`s got B-C grade stock, as the consumer protection can be poor or non-existent, maybe it`s cheaper for the re-seller to buy this lower grade stock with screen color problems ect, I dont know?
John.
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UK here and bought from John Lewis. I've heard plenty of issues with screen temp on these ones so it's fairly common. Just using it this morning and thinking it perhaps wasn't quite as white as i'd like it and checked the settings to see if it was still in the proper mode and it was, switched it back to the old one and don't know how i ever lived with that brown tone!
Under different light sources it can take a few minutes for your eyes to adapt to the screen, so white can look a little off while this is happening, as the human eye will normally auto white balance anything you look at.
Does you screen when browsing with a white background at night, but not totally dark still not look perfectly white after a few minutes of looking at the screen.
Everybody seems to see colors slightly differently, and some not so slight, did you see the white/gold blue/black dress debate.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...er-you-see-says-a-lot-about-you-10074490.html
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UK here and bought from John Lewis. I've heard plenty of issues with screen temp on these ones so it's fairly common. Just using it this morning and thinking it perhaps wasn't quite as white as i'd like it and checked the settings to see if it was still in the proper mode and it was, switched it back to the old one and don't know how i ever lived with that brown tone!
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Under different light sources it can take a few minutes for your eyes to adapt to the screen, so white can look a little off while this is happening, as the human eye will normally auto white balance anything you look at.
Does you screen when browsing with a white background at night, but not totally dark still not look perfectly white after a few minutes of looking at the screen.
John.
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No it never looks like clean white to me unless i tilted it slightly back or forward and then i could see the tone shift to a cooler temp. I do keep the brightness down to under 10% most of the time and that doesn't help the white level either.
I can't say i ever understood the dress image, you can factually measure and define the colour on that one so i don't know why people were confused.
Have you had anybody else check your screen, do they see the same problem, though at 10% brightness the screen is never going to look really white, I always keep mine on Auto -5 , I have the RGB sensor set on Auto i cannot even remember what it`s really called as i have never changed it, but in Auto it is supposed to keep the whites looking white, what is yours set too.
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No it never looks like clean white to me unless i tilted it slightly back or forward and then i could see the tone shift to a cooler temp. I do keep the brightness down to under 10% most of the time and that doesn't help the white level either.
I can't say i ever understood the dress image, you can factually measure and define the colour on that one so i don't know why people were confused.
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Warm colours
My tab s 8,4 screen has a brownish layer, which makes whites mor brown and the colours less sharp. But when I put pressure on my tab, the "layer" goes away.
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Have you had anybody else check your screen, do they see the same problem, though at 10% brightness the screen is never going to look really white, I always keep mine on Auto -5 , I have the RGB sensor set on Auto i cannot even remember what it`s really called as i have never changed it, but in Auto it is supposed to keep the whites looking white, what is yours set too.
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Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, car knocked the phone pole down and been without for 12 long days. *sigh*
Anyway, i haven't had anyone else look at mine but i don't need anyone to anyway, it's a very overly warm tone. I've never used the RGB adaptive sensor thingy as it only works in a few apps that i never use anyway.
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My tab s 8,4 screen has a brownish layer, which makes whites mor brown and the colours less sharp. But when I put pressure on my tab, the "layer" goes away.
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Do you see a much whiter tone when you choose Cinema mode? If so and you like it then you really should try the method in this thread to keep it without also cranking up the contrast.
Hi, i was thinking of buying either a sony smartwatch 3 or a moto 360. Do all of you guys prefer the 3? Tge thing that has stopped me from buying the watch is the ambient screen. Based on your peraonal usage did you find the yellow tinge that noticeable? Do you have any pictures that you can show me just so I know its not going to be an issue for me. Also ive heard that the smartwatch is good for running? Is this true because thats what im looking for. Withthe ambient screen is there anyway to change the diaplay conditions so that that it is less yellow if I root rhe watch? Thanks for the help
yellow screen?
yes, you really should buy the SW3. I did it, and a friend bough the moto360, and he told me that he had a serious lack of battery, slow watch and so on. The SW3 works perfectly, has a great battery and the ambient mode is really good. On my side, i didn't notice any "Yellow-ish white". Definitely the best watch out there.
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yes, you really should buy the SW3. I did it, and a friend bough the moto360, and he told me that he had a serious lack of battery, slow watch and so on. The SW3 works perfectly, has a great battery and the ambient mode is really good. On my side, i didn't notice any "Yellow-ish white". Definitely the best watch out there.
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See attached picture....I like the ambient best on the Sony SW3 with a white background and black letters/time/text.
The background in ambient looks like one of those old LCDs and is very easy to read from all angles even in an office with less than perfect light conditions.
When you have a black background with white text it does look slightly yellowish, not bad in my opinion.
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See attached picture....I like the ambient best on the Sony SW3 with a white background and black letters/time/text.
The background in ambient looks like one of those old LCDs and is very easy to read from all angles even in an office with less than perfect light conditions.
When you have a black background with white text it does look slightly yellowish, not bad in my opinion.
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How did you flip the ambient mode? Typically it's white on black and yours is showing a black on white. Thanks
I created it with Intellicom. You can define the ambient background independently. I also own watchmaker, but unfortunately cannot specify the background for ambient mode there....unless someone tells me how to do that...I contacted the developers but never heard back. Maybe if several SW3 owners raise their voice we get that feature in watchmaker (which otherwise is a great tool).....
Invert it! Getring more white on ambient uses more battery.
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I created it with Intellicom. You can define the ambient background independently. I also own watchmaker, but unfortunately cannot specify the background for ambient mode there....unless someone tells me how to do that...I contacted the developers but never heard back. Maybe if several SW3 owners raise their voice we get that feature in watchmaker (which otherwise is a great tool).....
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I own (and use) WatchMaker too. Invert colors. Simple as that
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Ah, I will try that. White does NOT use more battery in case of the SW3....transreflective and not OLED display!
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Ah, I will try that. White does NOT use more battery in case of the SW3....transreflective and not OLED display!
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Ok I finally noticed the yellow...
It's only noticeable in a particular light one a white screen on a certain angle...
Meh, its worth it for the advantages of the transflective screen...
bBigBrO, where can I set "invert"? I select a watchface, click on "customize", but then I cannot find the option to invert the colors....
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bBigBrO, where can I set "invert"? I select a watchface, click on "customize", but then I cannot find the option to invert the colors....
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Just add a square shape, enlarge it to fill the screen, move it to the bottom, make it whatever color you want* and set it to display when dimmed only. There's your ambient mode background.
*As MickeZzz has pointed out, although you can set the color to whatever you want, it will probably be displayed as one of four shades of gray (white, light gray, dark gray or black) in ambient mode. But the point remains that you can use a white background in ambient mode.
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Ah, I will try that. White does NOT use more battery in case of the SW3....transreflective and not OLED display!
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Aren't we talking about two different things here? The transflective screen doesn't require power to be readable in all but the dimmest light; that's true. But it's still not like an e-ink display, which can continue to display an image after power is disconnected. Doesn't every non-black pixel on the screen draw some power, even in ambient mode? Maybe the drain is small enough to be insignificant, but I don't think it's zero.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this!
No. The Sony one is a transflective LCD. LCD use the least power when displaying white. Black requires LCDs to draw power to change polarity to filter out the backlight...hope that clarifies things.
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Just add a square shape, enlarge it to fill the screen, move it to the bottom, make it whatever color you want and set it to display when dimmed only. There's your ambient mode background.
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how do you add a shape?
EDIT Oh your on about watchmaker not intellicom
Yes, watchmaker....btw, how do you move a square to the bottom (in priority I suppose)? I tried the above and it displays but the text ist not showing....
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Yes, watchmaker....btw, how do you move a square to the bottom (in priority I suppose)? I tried the above and it displays but the text ist not showing....
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https://m.reddit.com/r/WatchMaker/comments/2ldhuf/support_how_can_i_move_layers_to_change_frontback/
Summary: long press a thumbnail, then press again and drag. The bottom layer at far left.
I made a simple test in watchmaker to show the difference between bright and dimmed screen. I simply added two pictures in watchmaker and put the display mode to always on the pictures that I used.
In dimmed it seems to only display four different gray colors.
It wasn't possible to make screenshot so I simply used the camera, sorry about the bad screenguard on watch.
I really like the screen outdoor!
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No. The Sony one is a transflective LCD. LCD use the least power when displaying white. Black requires LCDs to draw power to change polarity to filter out the backlight...hope that clarifies things.
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I'm not trying to dispute you, but I am trying to grasp this, especially since finding an earlier thread here, in which it's pointed out that the unpowered state of the display is, in fact, black. That would seem to suggest that black uses less power, but I realize it's not necessarily that simple. Do you know of any references that explain this?
I of course could be wrong with respect to the LCD in the SW3, I am only repeating what I have read about LCD a long time ago....
Best is you try for yourself - I have not noticed any significant difference (clearly not a scientific study) and I like the contrast better when the background is white.
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I of course could be wrong with respect to the LCD in the SW3, I am only repeating what I have read about LCD a long time ago....
Best is you try for yourself - I have not noticed any significant difference (clearly not a scientific study) and I like the contrast better when the background is white.
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Thanks. I've experimented some, too, but haven't noticed a significant difference. Your info may very well be correct, of course.