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Hi,
I am mostly interested in battery life and camera quality.
Thanks for any input!
Apple bad, HTC good. lol
Seriously, I have no idea. I've never had a desire to buy an Apple product. That said, it would be interesting to see how they compare.
Of course, your question is going to have a delayed response as hardly anyone has their units. HTC hasn't shipped them yet.
I'd be happy to offer my 2 cents once my 10 arrives.
I can say this though. I've owned the M7, M8, M9, Nexus 6P, etc... (you can look at my sig).
The iPhone 6 Plus and 6S Plus are the only smart phones I've ever owned to make it comfortably through a day for me. The 6P would, but I'd have to alter my usage.
valdigre said:
Hi,
I am mostly interested in battery life and camera quality.
Thanks for any input!
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Spoiler alert... anyone's answer will be bias. iPhone fan boys will think iPhone is the best and HTC fanboys will tell you HTC is best. What you will want to compare the features. I've noticed iPhone's battery life has gotten worse. Many 6 and 6S user complain to me all the time. HTC is to be judged, the reviews seem promising but I think the two of them will be similar.
As far as cameras.. there are so many reviews on this. Keep in mind the HTC was using a preproduction firmware and could get better:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-10-vs-iphone-6s-no-place-home-button
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...-S7-LG-G5-low-light-camera-comparison_id80396
Good luck deciding, if you do lean towards iPhone I would highly recommend you wait until fall for the iPhone 7.
Hi
I have iPhone 6s Plus, I had Xperia z2, Htc M7, galaxy note 3, Galaxy s2 so I know both worlds.
I am not interested in fanboy's opinions, only those that had exposure to both phones and can say which phone worked better for them, in their use case scenarios.
valdigre said:
Hi
I have iPhone 6s Plus, I had Xperia z2, Htc M7, galaxy note 3, Galaxy s2 so I know both worlds.
I am not interested in fanboy's opinions, only those that had exposure to both phones and can say which phone worked better for them, in their use case scenarios.
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You are going to have to wait about a month for a good report. I sent you the links above and you can google htc 10 vs iphone 6S to find tons of reviews but until we get our phones and used it for a while we wont have a good comparison. I too have used both sides (see my signature) but a very small amount of people here have the 10 yet.
I'd rather have end user opinions on final software than prerelease versions of Htc 10 reviewed by "specialists".
I don't mind waiting for people until they receive their phones and have time to play with.
I will take care of this thread and hopefully people will start putting their opinions.
Keep in mind I don't expectant scientific data, just your comparisons basing on your usage.
Thanks!
joshuadjohnson22 said:
Spoiler alert... anyone's answer will be bias. iPhone fan boys will think iPhone is the best and HTC fanboys will tell you HTC is best. What you will want to compare the features. I've noticed iPhone's battery life has gotten worse. Many 6 and 6S user complain to me all the time. HTC is to be judged, the reviews seem promising but I think the two of them will be similar.
As far as cameras.. there are so many reviews on this. Keep in mind the HTC was using a preproduction firmware and could get better:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-10-vs-iphone-6s-no-place-home-button
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...-S7-LG-G5-low-light-camera-comparison_id80396
Good luck deciding, if you do lean towards iPhone I would highly recommend you wait until fall for the iPhone 7.
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I guess since I currently own Apple products and my battery life is phenomenal, I'm a fanboy. :silly:
That being said, the 6S Plus is the most sturdy feeling phone I've used to date. No Bendgate here.
I would also second the notion that if you are seriously considering an iPhone, wait until the 7 (if you can).
OGhoul said:
I guess since I currently own Apple products and my battery life is phenomenal, I'm a fanboy. :silly:
That being said, the 6S Plus is the most sturdy feeling phone I've used to date. No Bendgate here.
I would also second the notion that if you are seriously considering an iPhone, wait until the 7 (if you can).
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lol no I didn't say your battery life is consistent with your fanboyishness just what I have heard. The last iPhone I owned was the 6 so I cannot speak of the 6S. I didn't really have battery issues with the 6. It wasn't amazing but it got me through the day. That's all I care about really.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
lol no I didn't say your battery life is consistent with your fanboyishness just what I have heard. The last iPhone I owned was the 6 so I cannot speak of the 6S. I didn't really have battery issues with the 6. It wasn't amazing but it got me through the day. That's all I care about really.
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For me, even the 6 didn't have the stamina I needed. The 6P was the closest I've come on the Android side of the fence. I just want my phone to last through the day without me having to change my usage habits and have enough juice in case of an emergency.
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For me, even the 6 didn't have the stamina I needed. The 6P was the closest I've come on the Android side of the fence. I just want my phone to last through the day without me having to change my usage habits and have enough juice in case of an emergency.
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I never have battery problems with my 6P. It is the smoothest and best android experience i've had. I'm excited to get the 10 and see how it compares. I'm not into phablets all that much or I'd keep it.
As I mentioned I have 6s plus, it is not a matter of choosing to buy an iPhone now or Htc 10. I have iPhone and wondering if I will sacrifice too much battery life and or camera quality.
That's it.
valdigre said:
As I mentioned I have 6s plus, it is not a matter of choosing to buy an iPhone now or Htc 10. I have iPhone and wondering if I will sacrifice too much battery life and or camera quality.
That's it.
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Yeah I get it, still have to wait to find out.
All reviews point to good battery and good camera. I'm sure it will only get better so I'd say yes. But keep in mind that everyone's usage differs. This means everyone's battery life will be different based on how they use the phone. But you get 30 days to try it out... why not get it and see how they compare side by side? You are the only one that can use the 10 how you use the iPhone to see if it is worth switching. I might get the 10 and view it one way, you might get it and view it completely differently. You can always return it if you hate it.
valdigre said:
As I mentioned I have 6s plus, it is not a matter of choosing to buy an iPhone now or Htc 10. I have iPhone and wondering if I will sacrifice too much battery life and or camera quality.
That's it.
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If the camera really is the same module as the Nexus 6P has, then honestly, it will be an upgrade for you (IMO). My 6P, in my option, took far better pictures than my 6S+ does.
Battery life will be more subjective. As I've said, my 6+/6S+ were the only phones I've owned to last me and entire day comfortably (30%+ left at 11pm or so). The Nexus 6P, with it's battery guzzling 810 chipset and 3450mah battery could last a day for me, but towards late afternoon I'd start being more conservative in my usage. I would not be able to last the day if I did any sort of gaming (Hearthstone, etc) or heavy Facebook usage.
Additionally, I apparently am a much heavier user than most.
I'm hoping that with the increased size (3000mah) and more efficient 820, that the HTC 10 will at least his Nexus 6P stamina territory.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
Yeah I get it, still have to wait to find out.
All reviews point to good battery and good camera. I'm sure it will only get better so I'd say yes. But keep in mind that everyone's usage differs. This means everyone's battery life will be different based on how they use the phone. But you get 30 days to try it out... why not get it and see how they compare side by side? You are the only one that can use the 10 how you use the iPhone to see if it is worth switching. I might get the 10 and view it one way, you might get it and view it completely differently. You can always return it if you hate it.
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I really don't understand how could you receive a phone for 30 days with an option to return it.
I saw comments here of people's who said almost the same as you..
When i want a new phone i have to sell mine and then buying the one i want.
It's just interesting me how's it's work in other countries.
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ben33891471 said:
I really don't understand how could you receive a phone for 30 days with an option to return it.
I saw comments here of people's who said almost the same as you..
When i want a new phone i have to sell mine and then buying the one i want.
It's just interesting me how's it's work in other countries.
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I own 2 phones, I will try out the 10 and if I like it I will sell my phone. If I don't I'll keep it. Some people can afford to keep both but I like being married
@valdigre
What made you replace the Z2?
The device isn't even that old yet, and it still performs really well.
The recent Marshmallow update has done wonders for the device in both performance and battery life. I doubted it would get faster, but it has.
Just curious
D395267 said:
@valdigre
What made you replace the Z2?
The device isn't even that old yet, and it still performs really well.
The recent Marshmallow update has done wonders for the device in both performance and battery life. I doubted it would get faster, but it has.
Just curious
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Dreadful camera, I really like making photos and very bad camera, no ois, dreadful panorama etc.
The phone is still on the family, my gf uses it and loves it but there is no comparison with iPhone 6s Plus.
To be honest none of the new flagships impressed with dramatically better camera than iPhone 6s.
I will maybe hold off for new nexuses, iPhone 7 or next year
valdigre said:
Dreadful camera, I really like making photos and very bad camera, no ois, dreadful panorama etc.
The phone is still on the family, my gf uses it and loves it but there is no comparison with iPhone 6s Plus.
To be honest none of the new flagships impressed with dramatically better camera than iPhone 6s.
I will maybe hold off for new nexuses, iPhone 7 or next year
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To be honest, the camera isn't the best thing ever, especially the pitiful 2mp front one (we don't speak of it )
The rear one can be good, if the phone feels like it
It really depends what you're pointing at, which isn't the hallmark of a good camera.
iPhone 6S will eat the Z2 for breakfast in the camera department, hands down.
Still a great device even today.
I'll only upgrade once phones have solar panels
OGhoul said:
I guess since I currently own Apple products and my battery life is phenomenal, I'm a fanboy. :silly:
That being said, the 6S Plus is the most sturdy feeling phone I've used to date. No Bendgate here.
I would also second the notion that if you are seriously considering an iPhone, wait until the 7 (if you can).
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For iPhone: wait until 2017 version and NOT this coming September 2016 version.
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Hello. I’ve been looking to upgrade to the Note 10+ and a lot of you see to hate it. Should I be worried? Should I look in another direction? I am looking for a beast phone where the battery can hold for a full day, good camera and big screen. What options do I have?
Especially if you are coming from note 9, you are going to miss headphone jack, iris scanner and heart rate /SpO2 sensor.
Apart from that you might face trouble playing m4a files through Samsung Music app.
That's what I don't like about my note 10+. Other than that love everything else.
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believe me you don't go wrong i forget every phone i had use before mi9t and pocof1 and huawei mate 10 pro and note8 and mi mix and every phone before now i use note 10 plus exynos and I don't lesson to any one every thing is excellent battery performance camera and quality
What is your mobile device now? If u have phone which is 2 years old or older, every new phone is the beast. Note 10 is perfect one, ofc. there are few negative staffs, just like the positive one. But you know, everything has this negative and positive part. I'm using Samsung since Galaxy S9, then Note 9 and now Note 10+ and for reason. I was Apple user, but then I realized, that Apple isn't like years ago, when Keynote event was my second christmas and new iPhone was something special. Today I have Note, so I have phone with a big beautiful screen, lot of power, I can have a PC and lot of other things. So, few negatives: battery life, problems with Google backup, no notification LED (you can use AOD notify, and everything is perfect), that fingerprint senzor is something like Russian roulette, it's 50/50, but after few updates, it's getting better. Maybe there not 3,5mm Jack, but I'm using wireless buds, so who cares. For me, the biggest problem is that battery life.. I'm from Europe, so I have Exynos chip and if u using phone for work, few videos, mails, it's not even full day of the using, so am charging through the day. This is all I think. You need to know, what is the best for you, but Note 10 is not a bad choice.
The Note 10+ is a great device, it really is the 'swiss knife' of mobile phones, there are features that you won't even know exist, till you need them.
A lot of people complain about battery life, but for me, on the 'Exynos' variant, it's great, most days I end up with about 20% battery and 6 plus hours SOT.
The games I play perform well, productivity is a breeze with the massive screen, S pen and 'DeX'.
You can customise it to your hearts content, cavernous and speedy storage, great cameras, great connectivity.
What you need to understand is that most people on these forums aren't your average consumer, therefore expectations are likely higher, the same is true of other device forums. So you'll find people *****ing on the 'OnePlus', 'Sony', 'Nokia'....... forums about those devices and possibly conclude that they hate their devices too.
The truth of the matter is that these forums exist in the main, for people to seek advice on issues they're facing with their devices, which can lead to a perception of negativity.
chris8989 said:
Especially if you are coming from note 9, you are going to miss headphone jack, iris scanner and heart rate /SpO2 sensor.
Apart from that you might face trouble playing m4a files through Samsung Music app.
That's what I don't like about my note 10+. Other than that love everything else.
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I have been switching around from Samsung to iPhone. I am looking for a device that I can use to its full potential for the long run. I will not be using the Samsung Music App since I use either YouTube or Soundcloud for music.
Stanislav.K said:
What is your mobile device now? If u have phone which is 2 years old or older, every new phone is the beast. Note 10 is perfect one, ofc. there are few negative staffs, just like the positive one. But you know, everything has this negative and positive part. I'm using Samsung since Galaxy S9, then Note 9 and now Note 10+ and for reason. I was Apple user, but then I realized, that Apple isn't like years ago, when Keynote event was my second christmas and new iPhone was something special. Today I have Note, so I have phone with a big beautiful screen, lot of power, I can have a PC and lot of other things. So, few negatives: battery life, problems with Google backup, no notification LED (you can use AOD notify, and everything is perfect), that fingerprint senzor is something like Russian roulette, it's 50/50, but after few updates, it's getting better. Maybe there not 3,5mm Jack, but I'm using wireless buds, so who cares. For me, the biggest problem is that battery life.. I'm from Europe, so I have Exynos chip and if u using phone for work, few videos, mails, it's not even full day of the using, so am charging through the day. This is all I think. You need to know, what is the best for you, but Note 10 is not a bad choice.
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I am currently using the iPhone X 256GB Verizon Unlocked due to the better hardware that the iPhone provided out of all the carriers. I am close to owning it to 2 years now. I too felt the same way about the keynotes from Apple, they were so awesome and always waited on the new and big devices but now? MEH. I am an IT person and just want something I can use on a daily basis that can do more than the iPhone. What exactly is so bad about the battery on the Note 10+? Also, if I do go with the Note 10+, what version should I get? Im asking more in depth about chip differences.
kxdaorbit said:
The Note 10+ is a great device, it really is the 'swiss knife' of mobile phones, there are features that you won't even know exist, till you need them.
A lot of people complain about battery life, but for me, on the 'Exynos' variant, it's great, most days I end up with about 20% battery and 6 plus hours SOT.
The games I play perform well, productivity is a breeze with the massive screen, S pen and 'DeX'.
You can customise it to your hearts content, cavernous and speedy storage, great cameras, great connectivity.
What you need to understand is that most people on these forums aren't your average consumer, therefore expectations are likely higher, the same is true of other device forums. So you'll find people *****ing on the 'OnePlus', 'Sony', 'Nokia'....... forums about those devices and possibly conclude that they hate their devices too.
The truth of the matter is that these forums exist in the main, for people to seek advice on issues they're facing with their devices, which can lead to a perception of negativity.
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Can you elaborate more on the Exynos? I don't quiet know what it is.
There's nothing wrong with the Note 10 + in my opinion except for the fingerprint scanner is small and a little slow but everything else seems good. It's also not even close to being worth $1100 to me. I alternate each week between my OnePlus 7 Pro and Note 10 + and there isn't that much difference between the two in day to day use. If I were you I'd try and get one that was lightly used for around $800-850 or wait till the price drops. I got mine from eBay for $899 (SM-N9750/DS model) and it has been good so far but it's definitely not head and shoulders above other flagships and the screen is brighter on my OnePlus 7 Pro.
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I am currently using the iPhone X 256GB Verizon Unlocked due to the better hardware that the iPhone provided out of all the carriers. I am close to owning it to 2 years now. I too felt the same way about the keynotes from Apple, they were so awesome and always waited on the new and big devices but now? MEH. I am an IT person and just want something I can use on a daily basis that can do more than the iPhone. What exactly is so bad about the battery on the Note 10+? Also, if I do go with the Note 10+, what version should I get? Im asking more in depth about chip differences.
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Look.. If you are looking for daily phone, you can keep your IP X. You know, I'm using phone for almost all day, because of work and all these staffs, so battery life is max 1 day, but I'm sales representative, so I'm different kind of user. But if you just REALLY NEED new daily phone, go for it. Note is very special device, with tons of useful features. If you really looking for upgrade and IP 11 is not your favorite, Note is perfect choice.
ThatMANGUS said:
I have been switching around from Samsung to iPhone. I am looking for a device that I can use to its full potential for the long run. I will not be using the Samsung Music App since I use either YouTube or Soundcloud for music.
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Seen that you are coming from IPhone x, you won't miss anything apart from the timely software updates. However Samsung has become pretty good with android security updates these days.
You will be happy with note 10 unless you are an apple fan.
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I am currently using the iPhone X 256GB Verizon Unlocked due to the better hardware that the iPhone provided out of all the carriers. I am close to owning it to 2 years now. I too felt the same way about the keynotes from Apple, they were so awesome and always waited on the new and big devices but now? MEH. I am an IT person and just want something I can use on a daily basis that can do more than the iPhone. What exactly is so bad about the battery on the Note 10+? Also, if I do go with the Note 10+, what version should I get? Im asking more in depth about chip differences.
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Get the Snapdragon US version unless you're a fanatic about custom ROMs and unlocked bootloaders.
This phone blows the iPhone X out of the water (mostly iOS gets blown away by One UI/Android 9). You can actually multi-task like crazy. Unparalleled screen. Amazing everything. Best phone I've ever used, hands down.
And this does WAY more than the iPhone! DeX, customization, automation, split screen, minimized apps, widgets wherever (Android), etc. It's not even a fair comparison in my opinion because iOS is so restrictive.
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
There is no other phone that compares. Price for what specs you get. Not sure why people complain about getting updates every month. We get it at least bi-monthly.
From what I see, the Pixel 4XL and Galaxy S10 Plus are both around $900 compared to the OnePlus at $600. That's already a big difference right there. I don't know about Sonys devices. I don't think they are all that popular in the U.S. My device is on the February security patch. Along with the apparent statement that they are doing bi-monthly updates, the coronavirus has also probably slowed things down a bit. I came from an LG V30 and if you want to talk about slow updates, look no further than LG. Is the phone the best device available? No. But overall, I think this is the best option in this price range. And I have nothing to complain about.
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ISamsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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I agree with you, I prefer the OnePlus fluid OS over Samsung and any other phone out there and not too mention here in the US OnePlus is much cheaper, and people forget that this Corona virus played a huge part with OnePlus being delayed on their updates, before all of this I could of sworn they was on point with their updates that I could remember unless I'm mistaken. Samsung makes great phone but their software is meh, same with other phone manufacturer, if it ain't stock Android I don't want it, I'm already too spoiled with it.
I just got a T-Mobile OP7T that was $499. It is currently on February security patch. I will be switching to Beta once I get the unlock bin. Beta 2 in on March security patch.
To me every phone I look at is a comprise somewhere. I care about the software experience the most so I go for oneplus. Im not a fan for samsung UI. This is the best camera Ive had on a smart phone but im coming from Moto X4 and OP6T. The camera is sufficient for my personal needs. You do you. I enjoy my OP7T but get the phone that works best for you.
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Uhh someone got offended... I've been flashing and repairing phones for 10 years and nowadays, there's no real advantages to flashing custom ROMs, they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times), nowadays keeping the bootloader locked is just fine, GCAMs work great on most phones now, customisation is also possible without rooting, so what do you need custom ROMs nowadays? If Price vs Performace and dev friendly is what you want, Xiaomi phones are way cheaper, yes you have to wait a while to get the bootloader unlocked, but once that time has passed, you normally have great Dev support, with great Pixel Experience ROMs.
iOS sure I use them sometimes, but I get bored of them quickly and I have enough experience with multiple brands to get to this conclusion, I got the 7t to see what the fuss was all about, I knew what I was going to get into in terms of features and that is why I was expecting more. In the used marked this brand is not worth it, that's all I'm saying, I always buy used, never going to pay for a new phone if used they are so much cheaper and look like new, if I was looking into a new OP7T and a new S10+ I get it, but in the used marked, there's so better alternatives.
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they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times)
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This.... Obviously you dont know what you are doing in order to fix those "functionality". Lots of stuff you can do to fix those. You might be one of those thinking that oh ill buy the 7t cause they said she said he said. and then vents out its not perfect. lmao.
What it all boils down to is personal preference. Personally I would buy a used OP over any other used phone, especially Samsung. Do they make excellent devices, yes, without doubt. But their OneUI or whatever the OS skin they are using is a huge drawback IMO. A dedicated button for a personal assistant that the average user can't remap... it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't like when something that should be an option is forced upon me like that. My wife loves Samsung phones. She has the s10 but hates the bixby button. I had the 6t but broke the screen. So I was using my wife's previous Note 8 phone for a month or two until the 7t was released. I was able to remap the bixby button with a pc and adb. My wife would never have been able to figure that out and I'm assuming most Samsung users don't have any idea what remapping hardware buttons even means. The only good phone I remember LG releasing was the Nexus 5.... again personal opinion. For me cameras aren't a big deal... I can honestly tell you that if I take pictures of my kids opening presents on either my 7t or my wife's s10 and then post them to social media not 1 person will say "OMG what kind of phone took those ****ty/awsome photos!" Nobody will be able to tell or care enough to scrutinize each and every picture. I was not huge into photography before smart phones and I still am not. I take pictures during certain events in my life.. Not for photo competitions. IP rating.. OP has addressed this many times. The only reason they have not gotten certified is bc the cost would trickle down to the consumer. Their phones have been waterproof for a couple generations now... just w/o the sticker that says so.. kinda like a marriage license. If you get married, but lose the piece of paper that proves it, does that mean I am no longer married? I'm sure my wife would strongly disagree. The other drawback I hear ppl complain about is wireless charging. I personal don't care.. I charge my phone @ night or in the car... granted I did buy the warp car charger and it's awesome... but other then that I don't care... It takes maybe 2 seconds to plug in my phone rather then just set it down... have we really got that lazy? I bought my wife a wireless charging pad for her Samsung phones... and she doesn't use it.. ever. Don't ask me why.. I've asked... but she doesn't know why. For me personally it's all about the user experience or the software. I don't flash custom roms anymore.. but alot of ppl do. OnePlus is very Dev friendly. I do however root my phone with Magisk. If I purchase a phone, any, phone that is my property. If I want to get into the system files and **** everything up that is my choice. It is becoming damn near impossible to have that choice on other brands especially Samsung. Its even getting harder on OP devices... but nothing like Samsung. Not being able to root a phone that I paid for... that is my property.. Is a complete deal breaker for me. It is also why I will never buy any phone that is Verizon branded. So I guess I will end where I started.. It all boils down to personal preference. I didn't realize this was so long lol... sorry
Yeah, i agree, but most people don't care root stuff. They just want a ready to use phone.
I am feeling a bit fed up with so many google apps on the phone....
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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You're a privileged guy in a privileged country.
From where I am, all the other phones you mentioned are at around twice the price of the OnePlus 7T, brand new.
The only other value for buck phones we have here are Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, and Realme.
this brand is expensive because you're being robbed of {long list of features} and their software developments costs are near zero. what's next. remove display? stop creating 1+ wallpapers per model to save few more bucks? hard to believe an alternative "flagship" brand does opposite of what such companies normally did - remove SD card, jack, Qi, Qc, IP etc. Exactly opposite to #NeverSettle slogan.
personally i'm going to suffer with 7T model for couple of months til Xperia 1.2 comes. That's how i imagine a flagship: no bs notch, bezels to finally hold your phone better, SD, jack, Qi, IP, 21:9 screen.. all perfect. 100% flagship.
however there are superlatives about OnePlus brand:
* battery - best of the market
* speed - best of the market
* community support or rootabilty - best of the market
some tech advances were great : they got fast refresh screens sooner, they got under display fingerprint sooner (samsung's still doesn't work well while generations 6T -> 7 -> 7T -> 8 already exist) and "invisible features" are still premium (wifi speeds, call clarity, speakers performance etc).
camera is great. so what's missing?
all i hate is iphone style removing of features and lowcost brand style of not paying for licences. i hate having 10 Qc3 chargers and not being able to charge the phone fast in any location because they don't want to pay the licence. i hate having Qi charger next to bed and not able to comfortably place the phone on it, and pick it up multiple times without struggle of using cable.
so what's the direction of the brand then?
90hz/120hz is already boring and no new innovation in sight.
well.. they have to go back to the roots.
model 8 will bring "back" wireless charging and IP68.
and if no more innovation in next iteration, they will have to bring SD card and jack.
Well that's why i thought. How about you guys
If we are just talking phone performance, features, etc then facts. The Apple crowd will never see the light though so if we are talking sales it ain't happening.
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If we are just talking phone performance, features, etc then facts. The Apple crowd will never see the light though so if we are talking sales it ain't happening.
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design can be personal rest of it as you mentioned I think apple got bitten really hard from google lol
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If we are just talking phone performance, features, etc then facts. The Apple crowd will never see the light though so if we are talking sales it ain't happening.
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Totes agree. But we'll never know, right?
I hope they don't make this phone too thin, I rather enjoy the thickness of the iphone 12 pro max, for me it feels good in the hand.
The trend is your friend unless you've been a Google fan. We shall see soon enough. Of late Google has been more interested in mainstream, low cost, middle of the road phones.
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If we are just talking phone performance, features, etc then facts. The Apple crowd will never see the light though so if we are talking sales it ain't happening.
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That because Google Weak in marketing their products and they do not make advertisements such as Apple and Samsung add to that Google phones are not available in a number of countries such as Apple and Samsung all over the world
I hope so.. I'll never buy a iphone or support the company. They make great hardware and a great soc but iOS is hideous in my opinion. Plus there is nothing so far to even temp me to switch to an iphone. I hate how android phones lock their bootloader's let alone how apple runs there eco system . I think everyone has the right to pick what they want and there should always be choices.
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I hope so.. I'll never buy a iphone or support the company. They make great hardware and a great soc but iOS is hideous in my opinion. Plus there is nothing so far to even temp me to switch to an iphone. I hate how android phones lock their bootloader's let alone how apple runs there eco system . I think everyone has the right to pick what they want and there should always be choices.
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I used for both end of the day i always fo back to pixel
The sales wont match the iphone nor will the tensor be able to keep up with apples chip but ill still take the pixel all day
Applesauce can leave a bad taste! Pixel ftw!
I've been a Pixel/Nexus user every since I unlocked my Samsung Galaxy Nexus. That was also the last phone I've bought retail from big red. I've just been playing musical SIM cards ever since. Pixel ftw
I'm looking forward to hearing what's new for Android 12 related to privacy protection and tracking. Apple seems to be soundly maintaining the upper hand up to this point.
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pixel is probs better but apple fans are apple fans
I was apple phone when rhey launched iphone 3g since but now i am pixel fun since google nexsus phone believed me i try almost every iphone every Year but in 2 days I always go back to pixel
Kinda pointless thread but OK.. never Ginn be a same hit compared to iPhones .. Pixel is a small niche in the grand scheme of things. I'm buying one, though. Had Pixel 1, 2, 2XL, 3XL, 4XL and the 5 at this point as well as iPhone X, 11 Pro .. Pixel 4XL / 5 still the best cameras in my eyes.
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Kinda pointless thread but OK.. never Ginn be a same hit compared to iPhones .. Pixel is a small niche in the grand scheme of things. I'm buying one, though. Had Pixel 1, 2, 2XL, 3XL, 4XL and the 5 at this point as well as iPhone X, 11 Pro .. Pixel 4XL / 5 still the best cameras in my eyes.
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Agreed. Two completely different phones and 2 completely different approaches to software IMO.
I don't care about its competition as long as it gets 130 or above camera rating (great night mode score at least 60) on DXOMARK and above 100 battery endurance rating on GSMArena.
Apple people don't think about function, all they want is a piece of jewelry with the proper logo on it.
What I really want it to excel in is Video recording performance and battery life.
Hey everyone,
iPhone 14 Pro Max user here,
What's everybody's thoughts about this phone? Why would an iPhone user who gets top dollar for selling their phone right before/after announcement of the next want to buy this? I ordered the OP 11 for a crazy price of $500 after taxes from an open box deal and was wondering if this phone would be worth keeping.
I used to visit this site to find the latest tweaks and cool tricks you could do with your Android phone and there seems to be pretty much nothing that you couldn't do with a stock OnePlus 11. I am the type to try to not be reliant on expensive subscriptions such as cloud storage, hardware that is just overpriced, and being wrapped up deep into a single brand's ecosystem. I figured I already use Snapdrop instead of AirDrop, AirParrot instead on my Windows laptop instead of AirPlay on an Apple device, my home NAS instead of iCloud, and Windows PC's over expensive comparable Macs. However, I still use a few Apple devices in my daily life.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Apple nor do I feel any reason to HAVE to leave them, but I am always open to other options and I've always had a soft spot for OnePlus ever since the original 1. iPhones are becoming well-polished phones but I feel like iOS is bland sometimes.
In my opinion, OnePlus peaked with the 7 Pro. (It almost got me to switch back to Android) That phone did really everything right to me besides having pretty lackluster cameras. I really was only interested in checking this phone out because I noticed it was one of the only devices that supports Wi-Fi 7, it has incredibly fast charging, and it has USB-C! My iPhone has hardly any weaknesses, so I would really have to be won over big time by an Android phone to make me want to switch.
Do we see a future where, within the next few months to a year, this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality a lot and/or we receive some really neat custom ROM options / mods that really enhance the experience this hardware has to offer?
Something about these OnePlus phones and their bleeding-edge performance in certain key areas still have me wanting one every year. I just have a hard time justifying how I could force myself to use an Android phone living in the United States where all my business/family contacts use iOS for their mobile operating system. I feel like once iPhones use USB-C, they no longer have a camera cutout on their screens, and they can support faster charging speeds, Android will be dead in the US. It's a rough future ahead. For me, I used to love Android for the customization, the fun stuff that iOS would never allow, and that there were just so many choices to decide between depending on what device suited your needs most. Just my thoughts and opinions. Feel free to reply with what you think about this phone or how you navigate having to use an Android in an iOS-dominant country. I could easily switch, but I just don't see any major reason to do so anymore. And seeing the OP 11 forums kind of quiet compared to the old days of Google Nexus devices doesn't lead me to believe that people overall like this phone / are working on anything unofficially to try to improve the phone.
The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
You just listed pretty much most of the features Apple users don't have anyway so LoL
Unfortunately I have to use iPhone in my work so 3/4 of the day I spend on iOS. Compared to stock Oxygen OS13 (even if hated by die hard Oneplus fans) it is still much better IMO and more configurable than iOS. Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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The forums have been relatively quiet for multiple reasons:
1. OnePlus has become developer community unfriendly, almost hostile: it's way too hard/too much work to create/install a different ROM than the official. In addition to that OnePlus has totally disabled full access to its cameras, "this phone becomes perfectly compatible with a GCAM mod that will improve camera quality" - no, very unlikely to happen.
2. OnePlus once was a flagship killer but in terms of price/features they have been lacking recently. OnePlus 11 is a breath of fresh air in terms of pricing but there are much much more affordable options such as the ZTE Nubia Z50 at $400 or something, which is almost twice as cheap as the OnePlus 11.
3. OxygenOS 13 is not the OxygenOS you may remember, it's a ColorOS facelift. OxygenOS 12 was extremely buggy and incomplete. "OxygenOS" 13 is lacking literally dozens of features present in OxygenOS 9-10-11.
4. Developers in general tinker with their Android phones a lot less nowadays than in the past. The whole development scene has been in decline.
5. Weird update policy doesn't help. I've heard (cannot confirm) that certain older OnePlus devices haven't got updates in the past 8 months.
That's my thoughts which may not necessarily represent the status quo.
To be honest I see no reason to switch from Apple to OnePlus unless you need advanced Android features such as normal file management, downloading any files from the Internet, being able to send files via BlueTooth, modding, various home screens, third party phone/SMS applications, etc. etc. etc.
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It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
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It's sad to see! My shipment got delayed and I'm already thinking of not keeping the phone. I feel like OnePlus needs a really strong camera setup before they can finally compete. I use my cameras too much to not have the best out there. The more reviews I watch, the more people say how the S23 Ultra is pretty much a better phone in almost every area besides charging and not having Wi-Fi 7. Not only that, but it seems that the phone also have custom ROM support. Just not trying to spend iPhone money on an Android unless I was for sure going to switch over. The Samsung has me slightly more intrigued...
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SGS23 Ultra currently has the absolute best camera setup of any smartphone on Earth. I've seen its 50MP shots, they are outstanding. OnePlus 11 pales in comparison.
I'd have bought SGS23 Ultra but it's at the very least $400 more expensive which is too much for me.
It's not the best phone out there, but it isn't the worst either. People bash a lot about the color os version of oxygen os. I'm using it and kind of got used to it. It gets the work done. Cameras are very good according to the price. Front camera is mediocre. But the rear is very strong. You can see the reviews. Also it gets better through updates. Lastly and fortunately, a developer got the phone through crowdfunding as far as I know. So development might just happen for op11. Fingers crossed.
OP if you are able why not just use both? I have both OnePlus 11 and iPhone 14 pro max that I use everyday along with my pixel 7 pro. the iPhone 14 pro max has my primary sim in it which I use paired with an apple watch. and I recently made the move to an IPhone in early 2022 full time before that I was android all the way. I still want to use android because as everyone knows it still does things IPhones cant do. so anyways i use my oneplus 11 to mainly listen to podcasts, watch sports and tv. the speakers on this thing are great. maybe the iPhone beats it but not by alot imo. the screen i feel is better than the Iphone 14 pro max. and it acutally has a damn sim card slot which is something I hate that apple got rid of and sadly i see most companies doing in the future. the camera on the oneplus isn't as good but for me i dont care about that.
the only reason besides the apple watch that keeps me on an iphone as my daily is because of a very niche app otherwise i would be on android full time and i would just use the iphone to keep in the know.
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... Apps eco system is different, iOS have generally more stylish apps but most of them if not pretty much every single one that is actually worth consideration is always paid version only.
From birdie's list, only the update policy on Android phones are worse compared to Apple.
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This is why android users are generally categorized as being cheap people. I don't care what platform I'm using iOS, android or whatever if an app is worth it to me then I will pay for it. IMO this is why apple apps perform better than their android counterparts because developers know that people will pay for them so its worth their time.