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Pixel LTE bands - North America and Rest of the world

Hi there,
Looking at Google Pixels page one can see that there is two versions of the product: NA and RoW.
Question is: is there any chance of buying a RoW version in US? Has anyone ever managed to buy the past Nexus International Versions in US before?
Thanks all and regards

Took me a few seconds to figure out what RoW means. I'd like to know this too.

In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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mazroui said:
In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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Is there any difference in the UAE? Both versions support LTE Band 3 and UMTS Band 1. Should work fine in the UAE.
I'm using US 6P which also supports LTE B3 and have not had any issues at all.

Abra_Cadabra said:
Is there any difference in the UAE? Both versions support LTE Band 3 and UMTS Band 1. Should work fine in the UAE.
I'm using US 6P which also supports LTE B3 and have not had any issues at all.
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To my understanding of supported LTE, UMTS, and GSM frequencies both Pixel Variants will work in UAE but Carrier Aggregation will probably not work. Not sure if the operators in the UAE support CA (yet) but if/ when they do this will probably something that wouldn't work on the NA variant. The only combination supported by the device for UAE bands is B7+B7, which may or may not work.
Whether this is a deal breaker or not is up to you to decide.

Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.

mazroui said:
In regards to the N6p I tried to buy an Intl version from the US but it wasn't available.
Had to be bought from Intl market like EU or the Middle East..
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Same with me. Worse than that, Google does not sell then in my country. So, unfortunately, I may have to buy outside US as well again.
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pauleandro said:
Same with me. Worse than that, Google does not sell then in my country. So, unfortunately, I may have to buy outside US as well again.
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Now that the pixel is out i can't seem to find anything online (N6p H1512 64/128gb) that comes with a warranty, if you do come across one that includes warranty please dm me.
I found out the warranty over here is handled by the retailers and is not international (covered by Google/Huawei).

mazroui said:
Now that the pixel is out i can't seem to find anything online (N6p H1512 64/128gb) that comes with a warranty, if you do come across one that includes warranty please dm me.
I found out the warranty over here is handled by the retailers and is not international (covered by Google/Huawei).
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Of course, no problem. I'll let you know if I find anything.
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I am also looking at this and cannot understand the CA limitations on the US device. Unless I am mistaken the Snapdragon X12 modem supports all combinations of supported frequencies. Yet the phones have different combinations for some reason. I do not know if Google is limiting this via software. Any thoughts?

scandalousk said:
Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.
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How comes? Both NA & RoW Pixel's tech specs show bands 3 and 20 (beside the band 7 & others) which are the most common bands used in Europe for LTE, so I can't see why the NA model won't have 4G in Europe... Can you please explain?

Lots of overlap
There appears to be quite significant overlap, with the NA version supporting all or almost all LTE bands in most European countries and in many non-European countries as well (including all LTE bands in UAE):
NA version: frequencycheck.com/compatibility/GPQkJ/google-pixel-xl-phone-nexus-m1-td-lte-na-128gb-htc-marlin/countries
RoW version: frequencycheck.com/compatibility/vWPw8/google-pixel-xl-phone-nexus-m1-global-td-lte-128gb-htc-marlin/countries
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Hmm... just noticed that a few European countries that FrequencyCheck lists the NA version as having only partial LTE coverage for are because the site considers the NA version not to support band 8. But, according to Google's own spec page (madeby.google.com/phone/specs/ > Telephony), both the NA and RoW versions support B8. No idea if FrequencyCheck is a generally reliable source of info, as I just discovered the site a few minutes ago. I hope Google's listing for their own phone is correct, but the fact that B8 isn't included anywhere in the LTE 2xCA and 3xCA breakdowns for the NA version as it is for the RoW version makes me wonder...

scandalousk said:
Won't work. There are two different version. One that supports international LTE bands and one that supports the bands in the USA. Just like the Nexus 6, 5x and 6P. If you buy the Pixel in the USA you'd only be able to use 3g speeds in Europe, band 7 (1800mhz) being the only exception.
In short, should you buy the pixel phone in the USA you won't have 4G in Europe and other countries that use the same bands.
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sirda said:
How comes? Both NA & RoW Pixel's tech specs show bands 3 and 20 (beside the band 7 & others) which are the most common bands used in Europe for LTE, so I can't see why the NA model won't have 4G in Europe... Can you please explain?
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Yes, the main European LTE bands are 3, 7 and 20, so it doesn't matter which version you have as both support all these bands. scandalousk is wrong.

Partially, it'll support 4G. But it won't support LTE-Advanced (4g+)

scandalousk said:
Partially, it'll support 4G. But it won't support LTE-Advanced (4g+)
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It'll support LTE, but won't support LTE Carrier Aggregation. LTE-Advanced is more than just Carrier Aggregation.

Confirm BND-L21 bands?

I am going to buy the 7x, but live in the US and use T-Mobile, but I want the 4GB/64BG version. Frequency Check says that the BND-L21 has LTE Band 4, which is fine, that's all my current phone has.
However, GSMArena and other places do not list band 4 on the BND-L21 version.
Can anyone confirm if the L21 actually has LTE band 4?
Second, if I rebrand the L21 with files from the L24, will it open up the frequencies available on the L24?

skippotter said:
I am going to buy the 7x, but live in the US and use T-Mobile, but I want the 4GB/64BG version. Frequency Check says that the BND-L21 has LTE Band 4, which is fine, that's all my current phone has.
However, GSMArena and other places do not list band 4 on the BND-L21 version.
Can anyone confirm if the L21 actually has LTE band 4?
Second, if I rebrand the L21 with files from the L24, will it open up the frequencies available on the L24?
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No,L21 is the Europe Version
LTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 20(800), 40(2300)
i think L24 is for you it´s the USA Version
LTE band 2(1900), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 12(700), 17(700)
no, the LTE bands do not change if you flash firmware from another version

letschky said:
No,L21 is the Europe Version
LTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 20(800), 40(2300)
i think L24 is for you it´s the USA Version
LTE band 2(1900), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 12(700), 17(700)
no, the LTE bands do not change if you flash firmware from another version
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Ok, thanks. I'll get the US version

''C'' numbers
letschky said:
No,L21 is the Europe Version
LTE band 1(2100), 3(1800), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 20(800), 40(2300)
i think L24 is for you it´s the USA Version
LTE band 2(1900), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 12(700), 17(700)
no, the LTE bands do not change if you flash firmware from another version
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Hi Letschky,
I am aware that throughout Europe, the version sold is BND-L21 if i'm correct but I am not sure what the ''C'' numbers are for the region? What is Europe, is it this BND-L21C185Bxxx?
Thanks

antares* said:
Hi Letschky,
I am aware that throughout Europe, the version sold is BND-L21 if i'm correct but I am not sure what the ''C'' numbers are for the region? What is Europe, is it this BND-L21C185Bxxx?
Thanks
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BND L21C432Bxxx is for Europe

letschky said:
BND L21C432Bxxx is for Europe
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Thanks for the info for the european variant, are you aware if it will receive ota's if outside of europe or is ota's depended on having an active euro sim card in?

antares* said:
Thanks for the info for the european variant, are you aware if it will receive ota's if outside of europe or is ota's depended on having an active euro sim card in?
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Yes,i think the the Ota will work outside of Europe,if not you can update with Huawei Firmwarefinder.I use a chinese Version Honor Note 8 and it updated with Europe Simcard without any Problem.

letschky said:
Yes,i think the the Ota will work outside of Europe,if not you can update with Huawei Firmwarefinder.I use a chinese Version Honor Note 8 and it updated with Europe Simcard without any Problem.
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I've considered getting either the euro version or the indian variant L22 (on the device its Al-10 variant though), so not sure how the L22 came along. As i'm from neither region, which variant in your opinion would be the better one in terms of speed of ota's, etc? Yes i have read of firmware finder, but i see alot users have struggled with it, any thoughts on why? If i get either variant, and dont get ota's, i will definitely try firmware finder as i have no knowledge of doing it manually.
Thanks again

antares* said:
I've considered getting either the euro version or the indian variant L22 (on the device its Al-10 variant though), so not sure how the L22 came along. As i'm from neither region, which variant in your opinion would be the better one in terms of speed of ota's, etc? Yes i have read of firmware finder, but i see alot users have struggled with it, any thoughts on why? If i get either variant, and dont get ota's, i will definitely try firmware finder as i have no knowledge of doing it manually.
Thanks again
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Where are you from

letschky said:
Where are you from
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South Africa

antares* said:
South Africa
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huawei firmware finder is not difficult,In addition, there are already Android 8 beta for the 7x.
Which network in South Africa?

letschky said:
huawei firmware finder is not difficult,In addition, there are already Android 8 beta for the 7x.
Which network in South Africa?
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The easiest for me is to get the indian variant, if im patient (which i am lol) a friend can bring me euro version. The L21 on online selling site is the global version from what i read. The only reason i held back, is honor india said no to for receiving otas (that was before finding out about firmware finder) In Sa, probably vodacom & telkom. The network providers share similar bands, so thats okay to change to others if neccesary.
Are you running the beta version? Yeah i think im going to familiarise myself with the finder app so makes things easier.

antares* said:
The easiest for me is to get the indian variant, if im patient (which i am lol) a friend can bring me euro version. The L21 on online selling site is the global version from what i read. The only reason i held back, is honor india said no to for receiving otas (that was before finding out about firmware finder) In Sa, probably vodacom & telkom. The network providers share similar bands, so thats okay to change to others if neccesary.
Are you running the beta version? Yeah i think im going to familiarise myself with the finder app so makes things easier.
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I do not have that 7x anymore.
here the link for Beta Test
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7x/how-to/official-feedback-honor-7x-emui-8-0-t3766482
or
https://club.hihonor.com/in/announcements.205/beta-tool-instruction.133939

Are Chinese/Japanese Snapdragons BL unlocked?

For the S8, I read that the Snapdragon variants sold in China (and even HK) had unlocked bootloaders. Is that again the case for the S9?

Teracotta said:
For the S8, I read that the Snapdragon variants sold in China (and even HK) had unlocked bootloaders. Is that again the case for the S9?
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Too soon to tell but likely yes.
Keep in mind however that those models are pretty much unpopular (no idea why) and rarely see any type of development. So you have an unlocked BL but nothing to flash which sucks.
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

force70 said:
Too soon to tell but likely yes.
Keep in mind however that those models are pretty much unpopular (no idea why) and rarely see any type of development. So you have an unlocked BL but nothing to flash which sucks.
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
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I asked jesec, who developed the first custom ROM for the S8's Hong Kong Snapdragon 835 that very question a couple of days back and he didn't know the answer. Curious if Qualcomm has the unlockable bootloader on all 845 chipsets but I suppose we'll soon find out.

varcor said:
I asked jesec, who developed the first custom ROM for the S8's Hong Kong Snapdragon 835 that very question a couple of days back and he didn't know the answer. Curious if Qualcomm has the unlockable bootloader on all 845 chipsets but I suppose we'll soon find out.
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The only ones which will be unlockable are the ones we are talking about in this thread.
All the US and CAN snapdragons will be locked down tight and a waste of money if you want proper root, twrp erc. its so easy to buy exynos why bother with the snapdragon version unless your on cdma?
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE

varcor said:
I asked jesec, who developed the first custom ROM for the S8's Hong Kong Snapdragon 835 that very question a couple of days back and he didn't know the answer. Curious if Qualcomm has the unlockable bootloader on all 845 chipsets but I suppose we'll soon find out.
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What about G9600 (Latin America) model?
Is BL open?

Teracotta said:
For the S8, I read that the Snapdragon variants sold in China (and even HK) had unlocked bootloaders. Is that again the case for the S9?
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Yes, the Hong Kong variant SM-G9650 has an unlocked bootloader and Samsung Pay on that model works as well. We'll see custom ROM's available before too long.

force70 said:
its so easy to buy exynos why bother with the snapdragon version unless your on cdma?
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Exynos doesn't have the exclusive US LTE Bands. For the S9 I see Bands 14, 30 and 71 are all missing. This is a major problem since the US carriers will be shifting more traffic onto exclusive bands.

Teracotta said:
Exynos doesn't have the exclusive US LTE Bands. For the S9 I see Bands 14, 30 and 71 are all missing. This is a major problem since the US carriers will be shifting more traffic onto exclusive bands.
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I live in Canada so have no idea about US bands although i know they have always lacked some for Tmobile. Guys dont seem to have had issues running exynos in the US over the years though?
Ive never had any issues here with exynos at any rate

Carrier aggregation/LTE-A CAT11 Verizon model in EU

Heya,
Anyone here achieved CA with a Verizon model in Europe?
While the bands are all supported, I have a feeling the US version of the phone has a hard time knowing which bands to aggregate in Europe. What are your experiences running the Verizon version on LTE-A?

I have a Google version (not international, not Verizon) and Verizon service. I was told by Verizon I would only get 3g speeds in Europe but that my wife's Verizon S7 would get 4g. Not sure if that helps you any, we have a European trip planned for later and I was asking Verizon rep, that's how I know. I was a little confused since my understanding was that the Pixel XL was able to get all the bands which is why I could take it to any carrier.
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ahent said:
I have a Google version (not international, not Verizon) and Verizon service. I was told by Verizon I would only get 3g speeds in Europe but that my wife's Verizon S7 would get 4g. Not sure if that helps you any, we have a European trip planned for later and I was asking Verizon rep, that's how I know. I was a little confused since my understanding was that the Pixel XL was able to get all the bands which is why I could take it to any carrier.
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It should support B3, B7 and B20 which are used in Europe. As of that LTE will work as expected but the LTE-A band combinations differ and as of that CA may not trigger in europe (thats my theory.). I've been trying to modify some files to get a control over the band combinations, but I've only managed to enable 256QAM at the current moment.

tauio111 said:
but I've only managed to enable 256QAM at the current moment.
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How?
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mr-tical said:
How?
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256QAM is only supported on the Australian Telstra config.
/firmware/radio/modem_pr/mcfg/configs/mcfg_sw/generic/aus/telstra/volte/mcfg_sw.mbn used to replace other mcfg_sw.mbn's that you phone uses in the /firmware/radio/modem_pr/mcfg/configs/mcfg_sw/generic/ directory.

Which dual sim ultra version covers AT&T 5G bands?

I need a dual sim device but all of them seem to miss band 30 which is important on ATT. Some of the dual sim are 4G only. Some also have 5G but does anyone know if those 5G bands are the same as the 5G that ATT uses? If so, which exact model?

ekerbuddyeker said:
I need a dual sim device but all of them seem to miss band 30 which is important on ATT. Some of the dual sim are 4G only. Some also have 5G but does anyone know if those 5G bands are the same as the 5G that ATT uses? If so, which exact model?
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The one ATT sells.
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vash_h said:
The one ATT sells.
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Clearly...! But I was asking about dual sim models. All the US models are single sim.
Anyone know of any DUAL sim models that have the US 5G bands?

I am not sure which version support AT&T 5G but from this website(if the information correct) https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s20-model-number-sm-g980-g981-differences/
Hongkong/Taiwan/[China] - Snapdragon support the same network as US model.
There are 2 dual SIM version.
1. International - Asia + Middle east
2. Hongkong/Taiwan/[China]
if you buy the phone from oversea eSIM might be disabled so many people are having this issue.
But why you need dual SIM when you can get eSIM if you buy US version.

vash_h said:
The one ATT sells.
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parnunu said:
I am not sure which version support AT&T 5G but from this website(if the information correct) https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s20-model-number-sm-g980-g981-differences/
Hongkong/Taiwan/[China] - Snapdragon support the same network as US model.
There are 2 dual SIM version.
1. International - Asia + Middle east
2. Hongkong/Taiwan/[China]
if you buy the phone from oversea eSIM might be disabled so many people are having this issue.
But why you need dual SIM when you can get eSIM if you buy US version.
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Thanks. I will check.
I need two lines!

ekerbuddyeker said:
Thanks. I will check.
I need two lines!
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I'm not sure but with US model you might able to online physical SIM and eSIM at the same time .

vash_h said:
The one ATT sells.
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parnunu said:
I'm not sure but with US model you might able to online physical SIM and eSIM at the same time .
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I believe they only have one IMEI

after some research I think the SM-G9880 is the same as the US device but dual sim. Im not certain as there appears different information out there, but it would be great if someone who has one and is using it in the US on ATT could confirm if it gets US 5G

ekerbuddyeker said:
after some research I think the SM-G9880 is the same as the US device but dual sim. Im not certain as there appears different information out there, but it would be great if someone who has one and is using it in the US on ATT could confirm if it gets US 5G
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Being on lockdown due to corona virus, I'm getting lazy.
Go Google all the frequencies AT&T operates on.
Go Google all the frequencies the variants of s20 you are interested in.
If all the frequencies uses by AT&T is supported then it's fine.
Sorry, I'm getting lazy from working from home..
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vash_h said:
Being on lockdown due to corona virus, I'm getting lazy.
Go Google all the frequencies AT&T operates on.
Go Google all the frequencies the variants of s20 you are interested in.
If all the frequencies uses by AT&T is supported then it's fine.
Sorry, I'm getting lazy from working from home..
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its crazy. there are two different versions of the SM-G988B/DS, one with 5G but no band 30, and one without 5G (but it has band 30). I think. Its so unclear. some websites show it differently.

ekerbuddyeker said:
Clearly...! But I was asking about dual sim models. All the US models are single sim.
Anyone know of any DUAL sim models that have the US 5G bands?
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Actually ALL s20 models have hybrid dual SIM in the form of a single physical sim and one ESim.

@op did u get the sm9880? If so does it work well with at&t? I was wondering if i can use samkey to change csc to att? Im planning on getting sm9880.

Player04 said:
@op did u get the sm9880? If so does it work well with at&t? I was wondering if i can use samkey to change csc to att? Im planning on getting sm9880.
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G9880 only supports csc TGY, BRI or CHC.

u can check if it includes att 5g band. BTW G9880 doesn't support mmwave

From Qualcomm devices you can get supported bands and combinations with Scat: https://mt-tech.fi/en/how-to-get-4g...tions-from-your-android-phone/#Scat_(Qualcomm) . Please share your device log to https://cacombos.com/contribute
I have already listed some combinations here: https://cacombos.com/search?key=S20+Ultra .

Primal instinct said:
Actually ALL s20 models have hybrid dual SIM in the form of a single physical sim and one ESim.
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No US Galaxy devices support eSim. The main US service providers have squashed it. Only iPhone and a couple of other devices can activate eSim in the US.