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AT&T Owners: Ready to Tell AT&T to Kiss Off?

I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?

Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol

They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?

MrDSL said:
Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?

californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.

MrDSL said:
Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have

Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.

We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.

californiarailroader said:
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!

jonnyp4l said:
Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.

I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..

I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.

While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.

My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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SoapDoctor said:
My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.

i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),

I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.

Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.

Windows Mobile 7???

Hi guys,
Just wondering when will WinMo7 be released and what will the chances of us seeing it on our Vogues. Even though they will be about 2 years old by then.
Thanks for everyone's hard work.

Windows mobile 7 will be released in 2010. There's little to practically no chance that it'll run on our old devices. Officially, at least.

Take this with a grain of salt:
On LinkedIn, there has been two profiles (that I'm aware of) that cited working on the development group of Windows Mobile 7 for optimization of the MSM7x00 series chipsets.
That seems to imply that Windows Mobile 7 will run on MSM, but whether or not it comes to fruition (or provides for a decent user experience) is yet to be seen.
The biggest difficulty we'll probably face is an overhauled driver model, which would leave our devices without drivers that we can simply copy over.

Shidell said:
Take this with a grain of salt:
On LinkedIn, there has been two profiles (that I'm aware of) that cited working on the development group of Windows Mobile 7 for optimization of the MSM7x00 series chipsets.
That seems to imply that Windows Mobile 7 will run on MSM, but whether or not it comes to fruition (or provides for a decent user experience) is yet to be seen.
The biggest difficulty we'll probably face is an overhauled driver model, which would leave our devices without drivers that we can simply copy over.
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Especially because we use resistive screens...
IMO, 6.5.x is where our phones will stay, if we are talking Winmo. Also IMO - that is also the case for majority of devices out there, even the ones being sold right now so how's that for getting your bang for a buck on the Vogue???

The Vogue is, given it's age, price, and specifications, a truly awesome phone. It's no wonder that it's one of HTC's most popular models ever.

Thanks for the insight guys. Good info.

Shidell said:
The Vogue is, given it's age, price, and specifications, a truly awesome phone. It's no wonder that it's one of HTC's most popular models ever.
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agreed... the few times i called verizon i actually got a guy who has an htc ozone now but had the vogue.. he couldnt say enough good things, said verizon almost plans on them being regarded as the blackberry soon i dont know the truth to it but hes just sayin their brands are only gonna get better and soon it'll be a more recognizable name
right now i ask people if they heard of HTC and people are clueless

I love my HTC.
that said Im a realist.
providers are too busy scamming customers into monster contracts and bloated data plans to be interested in a real competitor to the blackberry.
competition drops prices...and therefore profits too.
I know full well Ièll be getting a blackberry in the near future as there is no BB messenger for win mobile yet.
the closest thing (msn messenger ish) uses 3x the data and requires me to have a major data plan.
unless htc decides to host that data and compete...like adding or buying into bb messenger. and getting on board with something to compete with the iphones appstore... theyre placing themselves in a solid 3rd
next to all the other regular phones with calendars.
im seriously disappointed.. i love win mobile and its customisations etc
but wheres the supported appstore so I can find decent software and apps for 2 dollars like the iphone... really we need to admit this
its the supported store thats getting these developers paid...and why theyre getting good apps and fast
and requiring full internet for messaging... bb messanger doesnt need it.
i just thank the programmers for threaded texts

kazzxtrismus said:
I love my HTC.
that said Im a realist.
providers are too busy scamming customers into monster contracts and bloated data plans to be interested in a real competitor to the blackberry.
competition drops prices...and therefore profits too.
I know full well Ièll be getting a blackberry in the near future as there is no BB messenger for win mobile yet.
the closest thing (msn messenger ish) uses 3x the data and requires me to have a major data plan.
unless htc decides to host that data and compete...like adding or buying into bb messenger. and getting on board with something to compete with the iphones appstore... theyre placing themselves in a solid 3rd
next to all the other regular phones with calendars.
im seriously disappointed.. i love win mobile and its customisations etc
but wheres the supported appstore so I can find decent software and apps for 2 dollars like the iphone... really we need to admit this
its the supported store thats getting these developers paid...and why theyre getting good apps and fast
and requiring full internet for messaging... bb messanger doesnt need it.
i just thank the programmers for threaded texts
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well depend with witch provider you are with , i'm with bell and my vogue htc let me use unlimited data plan for 5$ per month, with ev-do tech that is twice as fast as 3G ,
yes you are wright win mobile apps are way too expensive, they should aim at this htc should allies them self with windows mobile to implant real competition with Blackberry and IphoneCRap ,
it is sure something is coming with Palm getting best phone of the years when everyone tough they where buried long ago , LG that as the EVE that look great , htc as to be able to come up with something that will be about the same price to be in the competition,
what is killing everyone at the moment is the exclusivity of the carrier , as long that this will stand we will be charge crazy price for are plan and are device , we must complain to HTC , and carrier like Bell and Telus to stop getting the exclusivity on new model so every one can have a true good mobile experience ,

Sorry bobsters
the only people to complain to is HTC and our federal government.
In the last few weeks the CRTC denied WIND-MOBILE its liscence to operate because they were apparently not CANADIAN enough... Then was IMMEDIATELY OVERTURNED by the federal government.
This is because (in my and MOST other Canadians opinions) the CRTC is so deeply in the pockets of rogers bell and telus that they stink of phone company genetalia.
not a single consumer friendly decision has come out of the CRTC in regard to phone internet and TV in yeaers.. the posotive ones were mandated by the federal government against the CRTC's reccomendations and will.
WIND mobile a subsidiary of YAK, out bid the likes of bell and rogers for the newly released cell frequencies over a year ago.
in that time Rogers and bell have slowly reduced prices whilst becoming hosehold names for having the largest cellular profits in the world (also charging the highest rates in the world too)... and then by addition the new CEO of Rogers claimed that Canada couldn't support another major carrier.
ya?!?!?......... thats why you skyrocketed the charge for bulk minutes being sold to the likes of Virgin & Fido who both sold out to you in the last few years.
I dont work for wind, but I cant wait... if they can hold their own and not get baught out they'll steal a nice big chunk outta bell and rogers and telus... then maybe out the competing ceo's in youtube video's when they come with the bribe money and CRTC in pocket.
My phone is hacked to run on another carrier tahn origionally locked (IMEI swapped) also so I can have the phone without a data plan.
if you check your bill against everyone eltse. your probably paying close to $100/month... for a phone that has the internet hamstringed and capped, using old technology that has serious black holes in coverage.
my unlimited regular intenet at home costs me an additional $50/month
when I make a call it goes toa tower then is routed through fiber optic to a server and then handled like email or streaming audio....
why is this 2x the price??
the rest of the world pays $125/month for unlimited everything... including tethering and national long distance at roughly 7mb/s (high speed ultra)
that means I could save roughly $150/month on not having a home phone or home internet or a long distance plan...EVEN WHEN PACKAGED.
canada sucks

please excuse the rant.. needed to be done.
foot firmly inserted... just waiting for a push

Verizon Draws Line In The Sand For Microsoft's WP7

While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
Verizon draws a line in the sand with Microsoft? | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

deadwrong03 said:
While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
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I'd think it's more of a planning prep on V's part. They can't exactly start an ad campaign that states "the most LTE devices" or anything like that if apple and microsoft haven't caught up yet. V is pushing it's LTE big time, and LTE should be pushed. It's not necessary to sell a phone, but every time a standard is adopted and speeds are increased, we all benefit.
Microsoft doesn't really benefit by LTE directly in phone sales. It's just another radio to them, much like Apple. On the other hand, they're in the business of getting more mindshare, and selling more licenses. With those licenses come more vender tie-ins, and that means BIG MONEY.
whatchathink ?

Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...

...not to mention as soon as LTE is finished, there will be 5G or Super-Duper LTE or some new thing...

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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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I was wondering about that too.
Re-reading the quote from Walden, it is a bit ambiguous. Verizon wants to see a roadmap/timeline from Microsoft about LTE support, but they don't mention Apple at all. That could imply that Apple has provided such a roadmap to the carrier, while not releasing it to the public (a somewhat reasonable conclusion, I suppose), or that Versizon believes that Apple represents a large enough revenue stream to overlook the lack of LTE (which WP doesn't quite represent yet).
The question is, why wouldn't Microsoft want to communicate their plans to the carrier, at least to confirm that LTE is coming?

LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
The next iPhone is almost guaranteed to be LTE, and Apple isn't comparable to Microsoft, because Apple has greater Mindshare and sells way more phones than WP7. The 4S set records on almost every carrier who got it, and sold 4M units in a weekend on Pre-Order. No other phone performs that well.
Trying to call Apple out would not help Verizon, especially with AT&T starting to roll out their LTE network now. By the time the iPhone 5 launches, AT&T can have LTE in enough places that iPhone users wanting an upgrade (and leaving for AT&T) can significantly affect their bottom line. It would be a dumb move.
WP7 is the platform with something to prove, not Apple. iOS matches or exceeds WP7 in every area. Microsoft needs a competitive Advantage, and not getting to LTE before Apple does on Verizon (or even WiMax on Sprint) is not a good strategy, IMO.

calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.

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LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
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Doesn't the HTC Thunderbolt use the same SoC used in today's Windows Phones?
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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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Verizon (and everyone else) isn't in the position to dictate anything to Apple. Apple dictates to them. Just look at the Sprint deal.

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calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.
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You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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Dual Core, 4G, LTE all this will do is drain the $h!t out of your battery life. I can't wait to see the iFans faces drop when their battery goes down hill because of LTE.

N8ter said:
You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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considering I dont live in the states I can only go with what i read/hear..
So what iPhone sales are higher?
A phone company should know better than to show that blatant of favoritism..
What if wp7 gets huge? It will take a bit but it could happen.
I'm sure they wouldn't forget that

Not many people follow what Verizon says...after all, they're the same guys that rejected the iPhone then kissed Apple's ass to get it.

They're the largest wireless carrier in the USA.
Over 100M people follow what they say.
If WP7 gets huge then they can use their user base to dictate the terms of deals, as Apple has done beautifully.
Sprint isn't exactly the richest carrier, but look how much they were willing to invest just to get the iPhone 4/4S.

Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.

Dr.8820 said:
Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.
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I'm glad you're not in charge

...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.

Dr.8820 said:
...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.
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Its all just marketing? What makes you say that? It kind of sounds like you've fallen for some "you dont really need this thing we don't support" marketing. WP7 needs features and hardware that can compete with iOS and Android. That's it.

Says you, I've been using this HD7 since December 2010....still works fine and with no lag...only spec sheep care about that...the iPhone 4s sold more than all the others WITHOUT LTE or 4G.

That's exactly my point. The iPhone can afford it. Windows phone can't. That's what happens when you're three years later to market and gave apple a 3 year lead in building out their ecosystem.
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The iPhone didn't start off on fire, it gained a following...case in point: I had Sprint and a TP2, have a friend w/T-Mo and got an HD2 on their 2nd line. I then got my HD7 and they left T-Mo and got an Evo 3-D...they just left Sprint and got a Radar because of my HD7...word of mouth is way better than specs.

[Q] Anyone missing LG G4 features with Verizon's version?

I received my LG G4 in the mail on June 2 via Verizon pre-order. After briefly going through the various features, I noticed that Themes, Smart Settings, and User Profile options were not on my phone. I contacted Verizon who responded by stating that I have a faulty phone or that Verizon removed those features (depending on who I talked to). I compared my phone to a Sprint version while at Best Buy today and noticed that these features are not missing from their phones. I then went to the Verizon store who confirmed that those features are not on their version of the phone (VS986) and that I would be responsible for a $50 restocking fee if I were to return it. LG customer service also claimed that the phone's features varied by carrier. So. . .I am either stuck with a reduced feature phone if I were to remain with Verizon or pay $50 and go with another carrier within 12 days (14 day return window) and get an LG G4 phone that actually has its advertised and reviewed capabilities. I am trying to determine if there are more features missing to facilitate making a decision as well as considering third party apps to compensate. Anyone else in the same boat?

I would just go to YT and check other people videos out on the LG G4 Verizon model to make sure its not there either. If there not then I would just tell them to wave the $50 fee and switch carriers.

I found your thread while looking for the same information. I was looking for those features on my new verizon phone and they are missing. I am going to root the #*@$ out of this phone as soon as I can. I'm so sick of verizon, if they didn't have the best coverage in my area I would bail in a heart beat.

I noticed this from the G4 section of Reddit. Some of those owners filed a complaint with Verizon and was able to get a full refund without a restocking fee.

Verizon ALWAYS does this. They strip off LG, HTC and Samsung browsers as well as whatever feature or app they want. I guess so they can load their bloatware bs and not eat too much memory..who knows. I despise Verizon

I'm new to Verizon and gave the carrier the benefit of the doubt that the omission of these features was a temp mistake. Now I am leaning towards t-mobile pending the status of their version that I will check tomorrow. I don't see why the features are removed. Did Verizon save money or something by getting a "cheaper" version from LG. . .not sure what their motive could be. Hopefully they will receive some backlash from customers and LG (if possible). I posted a negative review on Verizon's page a few days ago (which hasn't been approved yet) as well as asked why these features were not included on their version.

It won't affect Verizon. They've always butchered phones this way. ..

I ran my Verizon S4 rooted from day 1, i forget about all the stupid crap they do to the phone. I can't wait to strip all the verizon crap out of it and run a nice custom rom on this phone.

Not that big of deal for me personally didnt buy the phone for those features, honestly didnt know they were missing till now

Great info, I knew something would be missing. Ever since my Fascinate its been like this. That's why I turn to this community and root all the things!
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i havent seen profile changing on mine? wonder if its missing. how would i check those features?
besides in a way isent it better, this way less stuff verizon puts on it, more smoother the phone can run

Phurkus said:
i havent seen profile changing on mine? wonder if its missing. how would i check those features?
besides in a way isent it better, this way less stuff verizon puts on it, more smoother the phone can run
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Better? How does stripping LG features equal less stuff Verizon puts on the phone? This phone is NOT short on Verizon bloat, only LG apps and features that most everyone else has.

I just switched from Verizon to T-Mobile about a month ago and this is one of the reasons why. I got tired of the massive amount of butchering, bloat and removing features they do to the phones. My T-Mobile still has some bloat on it but not the obscene amounts that Verizon slaps on their phones.
So yes, it is normal for Verizon to remove features from their phones.

There are some wifi and network settings missing that I have seen referenced on other carrier G4's.

What a load of crap.
LG SmartWorld
Smart Settings
Multi-user accounts
FM Radio
Themes
Custom lock screen
Really? Themes and lock screens? Ugh....
Source:
http://www.androidcentral.com/here-are-things-verizon-lg-g4-doesnt-have-other-variants-do

Wasn't aware of the other missing features. Since, coverage isn't that significant of a factor for me (coming from Virgin Mobile), I am going to return my phone (and my wife's) and get at least one fully featured G4 through another carrier. And I thought that coverage, cost (plan, access), insurance, promotions, etc were sufficient factors to consider when I made this purchase. Now I have to factor in removal of a phone's features relative to the carrier. No likey.

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What a load of crap.
LG SmartWorld
Smart Settings
Multi-user accounts
FM Radio
Themes
Custom lock screen
Really? Themes and lock screens? Ugh....
Source:
http://www.androidcentral.com/here-are-things-verizon-lg-g4-doesnt-have-other-variants-do
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Add LGs browser and tasks app to that list. Welcome to Verizon, this is normal here

I am contemplating on getting this phone on verizon in August and waiting for Developers on here to find an exploit and/or a way to unlock the BL or to switch to T-mobile and have them pay off my phone balance and ETF. The problem I'm having is the cost difference. My wife would have to switch to a single line because she would likely stay with verizon. Right now, we share 10gb a month on two lines and we are only paying 160. I have my phone on Edge and so we get $25 off a month plus I receive a discount through my employer. Basically it will cost us more for me to switch to T-Mobile than for me to compromise on this Verizon feature stripped G4. I've even contemplated getting a Z3V or HTC One M9. But I am leaning more towards just settling for the VZW G4.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
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Juice3250 said:
I am contemplating on getting this phone on verizon in August and waiting for Developers on here to find an exploit and/or a way to unlock the BL or to switch to T-mobile and have them pay off my phone balance and ETF. The problem I'm having is the cost difference. My wife would have to switch to a single line because she would likely stay with verizon. Right now, we share 10gb a month on two lines and we are only paying 160. I have my phone on Edge and so we get $25 off a month plus I receive a discount through my employer. Basically it will cost us more for me to switch to T-Mobile than for me to compromise on this Verizon feature stripped G4. I've even contemplated getting a Z3V or HTC One M9. But I am leaning more towards just settling for the VZW G4.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
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Verizon strips every non Nexus Android phone of features. They also don't mess with Iphones because they can't. I was surprised that the Note 4 didn't appear to be missing much, but the S6/G4 more than made up for that with as much as they've stripped. If I had another option for a carrier (especially t-mobile) then I would go elsewhere and not hesitate. I have tried Sprint and AT&T, both have beyond poor coverage in my area (Sprint doesn't even have 4g, they borrow other peoples towers here) so I'm stuck. I am hoping T-mobile finds a way to get some coverage here, but it isn't likely.
Nobody can make a decision for you, but if you have coverage options, consider yourself lucky =p

Yeah I live in south eastern michigan around Ann Arbor. Kevin the tech ninja who reviews tech on YouTube now actually lives in SE michigan as well. I've talked with him a little bit and he switched to T-mobile and is pretty happy with it.
But I am thinking I could do without the extra features for a while. Then when the boot loader is unlocked, the likelihood is high, then slowly I'll be able to get some of those features back or some added ones that can replace them. I have been looking to buy a phone that I wouldn't have to root and flash roms on. But my thinking is software is updatable and can be changed. Hardware can't be changed. At least not yet.
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Question 5G performance

Hello,
Anyone find any testing comparing Tensors inferior last year's modem to current competition?
Thanks

I've never fully understood the benefits of 5g for cell phones. If I can get 200 Mbps down and 50 Mbps up on 4g, what are the benefits of 5g? And, regarding a year-old vs current-year modem, why would that matter?

1st gen vs 2nd gen modem from Qualcomm is about twice the difference from certain reviewers.
Qualcomm modem better than Samsung which is why Exynos this year uses Qualcomm modem. But Google chose the Samsung modem from last year instead. Just because it is not Qualcomm probably.
So makes a huge difference.
To you may not matter. To me if I am paying 900$ for a year old tech that is singificantly inferior, and considering this is a phone and the modem is terrible compared to competition, matters to me. Just another way Google continues to give the finger to Pixel users every year they find a way to do that. If this is the case.
I just like knowing when Google will start to treat Pixel users same level of respect as Samsung with their fans.

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1st gen vs 2nd gen modem from Qualcomm is about twice the difference from certain reviewers.
Qualcomm modem better than Samsung which is why Exynos this year uses Qualcomm modem. But Google chose the Samsung modem from last year instead. Just because it is not Qualcomm probably.
So makes a huge difference.
To you may not matter. To me if I am paying 900$ for a year old tech that is singificantly inferior, and considering this is a phone and the modem is terrible compared to competition, matters to me. Just another way Google continues to give the finger to Pixel users every year they find a way to do that. If this is the case.
I just like knowing when Google will start to treat Pixel users same level of respect as Samsung with their fans.
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dont forget it also doesnt have the samsung price

scottb908 said:
dont forget it also doesnt have the samsung price
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Does that matter and why? $900 for tech already outdated by a year... I can understand if budget phone. $900 is not a budget device.
Sounds like they skipped out on others like inferior panel as well. So it definitely seems Pixel once again is a gimmick phone. And their fans will defend it because of it's gimmicks without acknowledging once again its a phone with pricetags not backed by haddwarw but camera software gimmicks.

zymphad said:
Does that matter and why? $900 for tech already outdated by a year... I can understand if budget phone. $900 is not a budget device.
Sounds like they skipped out on others like inferior panel as well. So it definitely seems Pixel once again is a gimmick phone. And their fans will defend it because of it's gimmicks without acknowledging once again its a phone with pricetags not backed by haddwarw but camera software gimmicks.
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I have never had a pixel device, but I can still say it's an amazing deal. You're someone who expects an exact $1200 Samsung clone for $900. You're either a troll or shallow, no body likes either of those things.

zymphad said:
Does that matter and why? $900 for tech already outdated by a year... I can understand if budget phone. $900 is not a budget device.
Sounds like they skipped out on others like inferior panel as well. So it definitely seems Pixel once again is a gimmick phone. And their fans will defend it because of it's gimmicks without acknowledging once again its a phone with pricetags not backed by haddwarw but camera software gimmicks.
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Agree for the most part. We can't forget these are cell phones. And I for one expect the best coverage and speeds here for a 2021 flagship. After using a phone for a certain amount of time, they are still just a dang phone.

Things like 5G modems are very much at the centre of the chip shortage which could have had an impact on what Google could guarantee through the supply chain and hence they had to go with that.

Just curious, how is it last year's modem if it has wifi 6e

zymphad said:
1st gen vs 2nd gen modem from Qualcomm is about twice the difference from certain reviewers.
Qualcomm modem better than Samsung which is why Exynos this year uses Qualcomm modem. But Google chose the Samsung modem from last year instead. Just because it is not Qualcomm probably.
So makes a huge difference.
To you may not matter. To me if I am paying 900$ for a year old tech that is singificantly inferior, and considering this is a phone and the modem is terrible compared to competition, matters to me. Just another way Google continues to give the finger to Pixel users every year they find a way to do that. If this is the case.
I just like knowing when Google will start to treat Pixel users same level of respect as Samsung with their fans.
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Ok, but that still doesn't explain what would make a newer modem better...? Given how fast 4g is, what tangible benefit (other than saying "I have the newest therefore best") would the newer modem potentially offer?

zymphad said:
Does that matter and why? $900 for tech already outdated by a year... I can understand if budget phone. $900 is not a budget device.
Sounds like they skipped out on others like inferior panel as well. So it definitely seems Pixel once again is a gimmick phone. And their fans will defend it because of it's gimmicks without acknowledging once again its a phone with pricetags not backed by haddwarw but camera software gimmicks.
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In order to get the new technology it would cost more then 900. Sounds like you are trying to compare apples with oranges. If you want the newest tech, then you pay for it. If you think samsung is the greatest, why consider pixel?

btonetbone said:
I've never fully understood the benefits of 5g for cell phones. If I can get 200 Mbps down and 50 Mbps up on 4g, what are the benefits of 5g? And, regarding a year-old vs current-year modem, why would that matter?
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Density. That's your answer. I used to work in one of those financial districts packed with skyscrapers. During working hours, people density in that area is about 200,000 per square kilometer if not more. 4G has full bars and download speed is miserable 2-3 Mbps. That's outside. Literally 200 meters away from that area I'm getting 150 Mbps.
Think about it, that area has all the money in the world and they can't get a decent mobile broadband speed. So they have invented 5G for areas like that, stadiums, etc. Not some rural farms.

Does anyone know what modem them s21U Exynos uses? Hoping it's not too much of a speed downgrade with the P6P.

btonetbone said:
I've never fully understood the benefits of 5g for cell phones. If I can get 200 Mbps down and 50 Mbps up on 4g, what are the benefits of 5g? And, regarding a year-old vs current-year modem, why would that matter?
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Capacity, 5G has so much more capacity per cell site. Ever been in a crowded placed with monstrous 4G signal but absolutely nothing is happening when you want to do something, well 5G all but eliminates that.

I am not at all technical when it comes to 5G, chips, modems, etc. I recently read a piece in some tech journal that spoke about 5G connectivity and speed differences in the Pixel Pro as between carrier versions (ATT and Verizon) and unlocked. I think it was referring to the modem differences as well. I couldn't make heads or tails of it and couldn't figure out what conclusions the writer was coming to. Are there substantive modem, connectivity etc. issues between the different versions of the Pixel 6 Pro?

gmfeld said:
I am not at all technical when it comes to 5G, chips, modems, etc. I recently read a piece in some tech journal that spoke about 5G connectivity and speed differences in the Pixel Pro as between carrier versions (ATT and Verizon) and unlocked. I think it was referring to the modem differences as well. I couldn't make heads or tails of it and couldn't figure out what conclusions the writer was coming to. Are there substantive modem, connectivity etc. issues between the different versions of the Pixel 6 Pro?
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Keeping it simple, there are two kinds of 5G. Let's call them regular and mm-wave. mm-wave is only good for folks who happen to be in the right place, within a very short distance to a mm-wave cell tower. Since there are so few places in the United States that have mm-wave, chances are that you won't miss anything no matter what.
All the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro have regular 5G. There are some advantages of regular 5G over 4G, however, you likely won't experience as much difference as there was between 4G and 3G. I haven't been concerned with 5G at all yet.

roirraW edor ehT said:
Keeping it simple, there are two kinds of 5G. Let's call them regular and mm-wave. mm-wave is only good for folks who happen to be in the right place, within a very short distance to a mm-wave cell tower. Since there are so few places in the United States that have mm-wave, chances are that you won't miss anything no matter what.
All the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro have regular 5G. There are some advantages of regular 5G over 4G, however, you likely won't experience as much difference as there was between 4G and 3G. I haven't been concerned with 5G at all yet.
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Thanks for your explanation. That article I read made the point that some versions of the Pixel have mm-wave and some don't. I couldn't tell which did, and if it was important to have it. From your comment I'm not going to be concerned about getting a version that has it.

gmfeld said:
Thanks for your explanation. That article I read made the point that some versions of the Pixel have mm-wave and some don't. I couldn't tell which did, and if it was important to have it. From your comment I'm not going to be concerned about getting a version that has it.
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Here's the link that list the carrier compatibility with 5G.
FYI.. Pixel 6 Pro have both sub-6 and mmWave. Pixel 6 lacks mmWave. But it's available on Verizon model of Pixel 6. But you end up paying extra $100.
Pixel Phone Simulator
support.google.com
Another thing that I found out from the table is that, most of the countries on that list uses only Sub-6 standard of 5G except for USA and Australia.

I'm currently using my P6P on Google Fi (which is essentially T-Mobile) and my P6 on Verizon
It's interesting that on P6P (Google Fi 5G) my current speeds are 490/9ish and my P6 on Verizon is only pulling 31ish/2.5ish. I'm truly interested now if it's in regards to the phone model or my service providers. I'm going to run a few test and play around with this!
If anyone wants to see the speed results I can upload those as well! But overall data speeds and consistency has been amazing on the P6P/P6

They could have left mmWave off and dropped the price another £50 as far as i am concerned. I see over 500Mbit regularly on my Sub-6 only Pixel 5.