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this had been bugging me and now when i decide to look into it, all of the google searches are raped by news of the s4 and not answering my question. so with that said, why do all of the U.S. samsung devices get the qualcomm chips instead of the exynos processors from samsung? it just doesn't make sense to me as to why they would switch them up. o.0 and it bugs me more that the qualcomm chips (while still fast as a bat out of hell) are slower than the exynos chips that are in the international phones..
It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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It was one of two options:
Go with the exynos, then have an external radio for the LTE resulting in worse battery life or...
Go with the dual core snapdragon that had the capabilities all on one chip.
It was tested and the actual real world performance was very similar between the two, so the option they chose gave us the best performance with the best battery while maintaining access to LTE.
A similar situation appears to be occurring on the S4. The Note II came with a quad core chip with LTE.... so our S4's will most likely be the same to get LTE. The Octo exynos is not ready for the LTE inclusion YET. By the time the "Note 3" is out, it might be ready for prime time.
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thanks for the info but you would think that they would have included lte while designing the exynos octa considering lte isn't exactly a new technology anymore oh well. my contract is still a year and 4 months from ending and im perfectly content with my s3. maybe they will have it figured out by the s5 haha
The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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If Samsung didn't care about there customers you would just get another dual core processor phone. It will either come with Octo or quad core. Regardless of which one it actually comes with, it's gonna be an upgrade
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The U.S. variant won't be getting the octo-core? Wow.
Just goes to show how much Samsung cares about their customers. I mean this was one of the biggest complaints when the S3 came out. You think they would have taken it with a grain of salt and maybe thought about it when coming up with the s4...
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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Most customers don't buy their phone because of benchmarks or boasting rights about how many cores it has. I don't care what processor it has as long as it has good battery life and isn't laggy.
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That's true. I there's a [floating] statistic that like only 12% of people root/jail break their phones anyway; so on that statistic, the other 88% is just based on surface features and shinyness. I bet if you asked most people they couldn't tell you what kind of processor is in the phone.
Hello all, having a dilemma here: I'm selling my Galaxy S8 on eBay and am now looking for a new phone.
I did some research and then found the S9 and OP6T and now cannot make up my mind, I simply don't know which one to get.
There's no comparisons on the internet really, so I thought I'd just ask you!
I know the S9 wouldn't be worth the upgrade coming from the S8 if it wasn't for Treble support.
At least that's what I think.
So the S9 is actually cheaper than the 6T atm, but I still need to have a few opinions on which device to get.
Are you guys enjoying your S9 or would you rather have the OnePlus now that it's out?
Would you recommend the S9 if you'd be using it for the next 4 years?
Thanks a lot in advance!
It really just depends on you. You want a better camera, IP68, no notch, headphone jack, much better speakers, better screen, a fingerprint scanner that actually works or maybe Samsung pay you get the S9. Since you've used an S8 already you already know what you're getting with TouchWiz so if you want a better software experience and value performance over all else than the 6T is your phone. But I'd honestly wait a bit before deciding since there have been a couple controversies surrounding the 6Ts touch latency
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I'd rather go with the SGS9 Exynos variant but that is just me. As I have heard nothing but bad things with regards to Qualcomm's Snapdragon series of SOCs.
James160103 said:
Hello all, having a dilemma here: I'm selling my Galaxy S8 on eBay and am now looking for a new phone.
I did some research and then found the S9 and OP6T and now cannot make up my mind, I simply don't know which one to get.
There's no comparisons on the internet really, so I thought I'd just ask you!
I know the S9 wouldn't be worth the upgrade coming from the S8 if it wasn't for Treble support.
At least that's what I think.
So the S9 is actually cheaper than the 6T atm, but I still need to have a few opinions on which device to get.
Are you guys enjoying your S9 or would you rather have the OnePlus now that it's out?
Would you recommend the S9 if you'd be using it for the next 4 years?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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I have the s9+ and I would say don't get either. Get the s9 snapdragon 845. I have the Exynos 9810 it isn't good.
The Exynos 9810 has such bad optimization it literally performs like last year's snapdragon 835. Geekbench doesnt truly reflect the peformance since in every other benchmark it peforms worse than the 845 and in real life.
A lot of people on XDA on the screen on time section of real life review are getting below 5 hours of SOT with the regular s9 with the exynos 9810 that's how bad it is. I have the s9+ I have gotten over 7hrs but with a lot of changes and making sure to monitor apps. It isn't fun. People with the snapdragon equipped s9 are getting really good battery life that is even as good as the s9+ Exynos.
The One plus 6t has no headphone jack and it's cameras sensor size is only 1.22um compared to even the s7,s8, s9 which have been 1.4um for a while now. Software can only take you so far. 6T is a nice phone but it isn't an upgrade in terms of screen, camera, audio. The software and the 845 are better and even the battery is good. But it doesn't out weigh it's over faults.
If the Camera and screen and no headphone jack isn't important to you then get the 6T. Otherwise find a way to import the snapdragon 845 equipped s9.
if you care about the camera and edge screen and you like touch wiz then go with the 9 ( the battery is poor i am getting 1:46- screen on time) from 7 the morning until 2 o'clock the noon 40 percent left ) the max screen on time I got is 3:24
if you care about speed, battery, new technology like the fingerprint in the display if want stock android then go with the op6t
ps for whatever reason my s9 is lagging sometimes with normal use like opening the camera on unlocking it with fingerprint sometimes the text of lock screen stays for a few minutes
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I have the s9+ and I would say don't get either. Get the s9 snapdragon 845. I have the Exynos 9810 it isn't good.
The Exynos 9810 has such bad optimization it literally performs like last year's snapdragon 835. Geekbench doesnt truly reflect the peformance since in every other benchmark it peforms worse than the 845 and in real life.
A lot of people on XDA on the screen on time section of real life review are getting below 5 hours of SOT with the regular s9 with the exynos 9810 that's how bad it is. I have the s9+ I have gotten over 7hrs but with a lot of changes and making sure to monitor apps. It isn't fun. People with the snapdragon equipped s9 are getting really good battery life that is even as good as the s9+ Exynos.
The One plus 6t has no headphone jack and it's cameras sensor size is only 1.22um compared to even the s7,s8, s9 which have been 1.4um for a while now. Software can only take you so far. 6T is a nice phone but it isn't an upgrade in terms of screen, camera, audio. The software and the 845 are better and even the battery is good. But it doesn't out weigh it's over faults.
If the Camera and screen and no headphone jack isn't important to you then get the 6T. Otherwise find a way to import the snapdragon 845 equipped s9.
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Thanks for your lengthy post! I agree, I would go for the Snapdragon if it was being sold here in Europe and had an unlockable boot loader. Not having the latter is a real deal breaker for me though.
I'm fine with TouchWiz but I want my phone to last for about 4 years which means installing a custom ROM later on.
I think I'll be getting the S9 now, thank you very much for your replies!
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Hello all, having a dilemma here: I'm selling my Galaxy S8 on eBay and am now looking for a new phone.
I did some research and then found the S9 and OP6T and now cannot make up my mind, I simply don't know which one to get.
There's no comparisons on the internet really, so I thought I'd just ask you!
I know the S9 wouldn't be worth the upgrade coming from the S8 if it wasn't for Treble support.
At least that's what I think.
So the S9 is actually cheaper than the 6T atm, but I still need to have a few opinions on which device to get.
Are you guys enjoying your S9 or would you rather have the OnePlus now that it's out?
Would you recommend the S9 if you'd be using it for the next 4 years?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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I'd recommend you navigate in both forums and check how many complaints there are about every device. You'll certainly notice that Oneplus 6(T) forum is full of complaints of annoying bugs here and there about hardware and software.
I personally just returned to S9 for the third try of adopting an OP6... the S9 is just perfect and the stereo speakers are simply otherworldly ! The camera also is far far ahead.
There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?
From my experience with the exynos galaxy s9+ I can tell you that exynos chips are more designed for daily usages. Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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...if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
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How did they scam anyone?
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How did they scam anyone?
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Comparing node density at these levels is not better than bragging about having 1 extra centimeter somewhere, irrelevant if not implemented properly, and node density improvements are supposed to bring theoretic improvements, there's no guarantee they always do.
Look at Kirin's 7nm, very early product and poorly implemented, Apple's jump from 10 to 7 nm also showed quite unimpressive improvements, completely insignificant in real world usage singe iPhone's battery life sucks unless the phone is locked.
And no, it's not a cheaper SoC for the EU, you can literally count how many countries get the Snapdragon on a single hand. The whole rest of the world gets Exynos, stop thinking you're in the center of the universe.
@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
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Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Samsung heavily advertised their new chip as being efficient. With that said, you should get better battery life as well as a great chip at a minimum. Then, for dev's and users like yourself, there will be the ability to tweak every little thing on your phone to improve speed and keep that efficiency. Sure, right out of the box you may not be the best but you're damn close. Give a developer the tools needed and it could, and probably will, become what you want it to be or even greater.
Samsung doesn't scam people, they've made a name for themselves and I would think they want to keep it that way. The Exynos is their baby, you don't think they'd make a crap product for the majority of their users do you? How else would they get their customers to return?
I did see that video earlier, looks pretty sweet if you ask me. I'm excited to see what this phone is capable of in the long run.
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@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Exactly why I said that.
Light use of those phones may not have resulted in any noticing issues tough.
I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Here you go
How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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That's not a scam. Your definition of scam doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to sell something slower than last generation, that's fine, you got your information, don't buy it. They aren't hiding anything from you, they are pretty much giving you all the information before you buy it. You're the one at fault for buying it. Plus this is faster than last Exynos generation, so it's actually valid for the continent it sold at.
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Oh come on already, yes it's worse than the SD one, by a couple percent. Battery life is good this time around, random drain seems to be fixed. This is like reading a Reddit rant where people riot because it only has 1000 nits of peak brightness while my torch has thrice of that.
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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thats odd , mine is Exynos , Are you sure you bought indian variant ?
mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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Why do there have to be two variants anyway? Why do they bother to go with two?
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Correct. But this new soc ain't coming before 2021.
It's 2019 and samsung released a 1100+$ phone without flagship specs, this exynos soc can maybe compete with last year's snapdragon 845, not 855 and much less with 855+.
It's a bad joke and huge letdown.
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I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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On what basis are you saying that Note 10 exynos equal to SD 845 in performance? please don't tell you you watch this nonsense speed test g!
See antutu score s10 SD vs note 10 exynos attached
What matters to me is the smoothness and daily performance. My Note10+ with Exonys 9825 feels snappier and has less lag than my Pixel 3XL with SD 845. Perhaps because it's brand new, I don't know.
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
Or don't pay attention to what america has?
You've got the ability to root to your hearts content with the exynos chip. Americas are pretty limited in that regard.
I'm not sure what difference it really makes to you if you've been using exynos chips for the past few years as it's an upgrade to what you've been using regardless.
Coming from a note 8 to the note 10+ was a huge and I mean huge difference to me.
Virgo_Guy said:
3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
I get what the OP is saying though, It is like buying a car and finding out the next door neighbour got a turbo on his stock model while yours is just a plain old engine...
It is annoying that Samsung has this diversity in it's models and while yes, you have upgraded from like to like, it does seem unfair that someone else has a "better" version but paid the same (or less) than you did...
I know here in Oz it is frustrating seeing what other countries get , 1 Note 10+ and a Note 10 for the price of a Note 10 + and other pe-order deals.
With my pre-order Note 9, here in Oz, I got a wireless charger while o'seas people were getting a 512gb SD card and more... Where is the fairness in that Samsung?
So, even though I have a brand spanking new toy it leaves a bitter taste of gall in your mouth to think you got less than what others have and paying the same price....
Hoping for Anandtech to. do a Note 10 review with a E8925 to see if Samsung made some progress on Exynos' traditional slow ramp up of cpu mhz. Saw this and A76/M4 are not handing Geekbench 5 workload/weighting well.
https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1164927585471598594
gottahavit said:
I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
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We are talking about smartphones and not about 5 year old tablets. The Exynos variants of those tabs were from 2015 and SD were from 2016, ofcourse "upgraded".
pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Agree. :good:
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So from last few months I am seeing these heated arguments and criticism towards Samsung for using exynos and people claiming it to be "inferior" compared to snapdragon. I don't get it why people are focusing so much on benchmark these days. Just enjoy the experience you are getting it.
I was actually researching on this and came across Geekbench 5 where things turn out to be different in computer score or rather I should say openCL score. I don't know much about it so would be cool if anyone can shine light on it. Difference between exynos and snapdragon is exponentially high like it's insane. (check my ss).
Well I personally have been using snapdragon for more than 7-8 years now and this is my first exynos device, I am pretty happy with it. My last phone has SD 845 and I can say it's a pretty much a welcome improvement over it.
I wanted to know what you guys think about this ? Btw I am leaving my exynos benchmark below, would be cool to see where exactly the difference is present.
The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.
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The major issue is that you pay the same price, if not more, for a worse hardware.
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Well I agree on your part, many people claim the exynos is really trash but when I was browsing through different articles I came across opencl. It's a benchmarking code for CPU, GPU, ram, storage etc.
In this test exynos totally outclassed the snapdragon series. I thought it might be touchwiz restricting it but nope, one plus 7T had similar score.
Also exynos has a slightly better single core performance. This is what baffles me.
The thing is, many users complain about heavy throttling when cpu temps get high, which by the way, havs never ocurred to my 975F, in spite of heavy gaming/streamming and such over long periods of use (2-4 hours), so, from my experience, I have absolutely nothing to complain about, I am not, by any means saying that exynos is better ir superior, but, in NO WAY exynos is "trash" or samsung is abusive by putting them in flagship devices, I knew beforehand that an exynos SOC would be inside the device, nobody forced me to buy the device, if someone wants a snapdragon powered device, there are plenty if options to choose from, in fact, in my country there were snapdragon versions available, even cheaper, but not ditributed by carriers, which is a really important factor when warranty service/support is needed, so in the end it is not a matter of samsung abusing or deceiving customers, it is a matter of consumers assuming RESPONSABILITY for the decision they made to buy an international note series device THAT NOBODY forced them to
But there is the crux of the matter, I have no option BUT to get the Exynos variant in my country...
It has been proven time and again that the Exynos has higher power usage meaning that battery life is down by up to 20% in some tests, CPU does get throttled and also, due to the inferior processing power, photo's aren't as good on the Exynos versus the Snapdragon.
Hell, Samsung ditched their own chip in their home country in favour of the Snapdragon... Yet they keep pushing out their less premium hardware and still charge us the same as, or more than, the superior SoC phones...
Hopefully this will be rectified with their new deal with AMD but anyone who got the Exynos chip in their phone really has an inferior phone to the counterparts that got the Snapdragon.
Your argument that people can get the Snapdragon variant by looking around is not taking into account warranty is not honored for hardware that is for a different region. If you have a Snapdragon phone that has ANY warranty problem, it MUST be returned to the region that it came from which is ridiculous.
Samsung has admitted the Exynos is an inferior chip by replacing their own chip with the Snapdragon in their own country, now they need to do the same for everywhere else...
I maybe wrong, but don't Exynos variants get update faster than Snapdragon?
Tbh, I dont know if one version gets updates faster than the other, but, what I know for sure is, I really liked the device as it was when I purchased it, I researched enough to know about it, its best features and its performance, so, I just dont care much about future updates, as I liked the device for what it was out of the box, plain and simple