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Hey guys. Did you see Sony's details about KitKat? They said they were only mentioning the first few phones to get KitKat but do you think we'll get it in the new year? I remember past Sony updates did happen Dec-Feb.
http://www.sonyrumors.net/2013/11/06/kitkat-xperia-devices-features/
Sony News - On Jelly Bean 4.3 & Kit Kat 4.4…
If the Sony XPERIA M/Dual was to be upgraded to Android v4.4 [on paper] we'd have a very efficient phone.
Android v4.3 and Android v4.4 are about refining the existing implementation of Android.
It's just the number of little things like Miracast certification, OpenGL ES 3.0, optimised 2D rendering, memory optimisation and etc, that would make an already very competent phone a true delight to own.
I for one will be very interested to read where Sony decides to slot the XPERIA M regarding future Android OS updates, as Android v4.4 is really tailor make for such a device (as I read it)
The XPERIA L, XPERIA M and XPERIA C are all very conspicuous in their absence of any mention, regarded future Android upgrades.
There only problem for the big manufacturers is that revamping low-mid range phones with a streamlined version of android means they sell less because people change less often as their device that was on the way out now functions better than it did new.
I'm not really taking about the xperia M as this is still very new but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony only updated this years phones to 4.4. Tbh anything older probably has more dev work anyway so experienced users will get it via a ton instead of a don't release. Unfortunately we're probably low priority for Sony to update soon (all the flagships will come first) being a mid-low end phone and we also don't have substantial ROM support yet either to get it via CM or AOSP or Slimroms right now. It'll be interesting how it plays out and what we get when.
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As for the M not being mentioned, they did say that it is just the first wave of devices, not the last. For any of us that owned Xperia phones in the last few years, you will have seen that the more expensive devices tend to go first, it's not unusual.
Besides the M and Dual, there is the L and C. I would be stunned if these devices get left on 4.1-4.3. I'd be happy with KitKat. :victory:
looks like it will take long time for xperia m, first wave of xperia phone its for z series (from now on).. maybe next years we will get that feature and the only we can do now is just waiting
I think no one will you Stock when CM or AOSP arrives. So dont fuss on sony and dont make this discussion long.
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My friend got the Xperia Z months ago. I asked him did he have any custom ROMs. He said no and I asked why. He said that everything works great on his phone on stock firmware.
I've owned Xperia phones from every year. Every year I used custom ROMs. Until this year, that is. With the stock firmware on this phone, I have no desire to try custom ROMs. Now I understand what my friend meant.
Some of us like stock firmware. Plus, it's a bonus that you know you can send your phone for official repair and they won't reject it because you modified the phone.
I feel same for my xperia M not in the mood of customizing it yet
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My friend got the Xperia Z months ago. I asked him did he have any custom ROMs. He said no and I asked why. He said that everything works great on his phone on stock firmware.
I've owned Xperia phones from every year. Every year I used custom ROMs. Until this year, that is. With the stock firmware on this phone, I have no desire to try custom ROMs. Now I understand what my friend meant.
Some of us like stock firmware. Plus, it's a bonus that you know you can send your phone for official repair and they won't reject it because you modified the phone.
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I think you are missing one crucial point. That price difference between Z and M. The update support Z gets as compare to M is huge. Thats why custom roms are made. So if you want regular update get Z.
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No news, could still be good news.
Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
Extending Internal Memory on Xperia M dual
Guys, i need to extend my internal Memory in Sony Xperia M dual without rooting...Is there any possibilities there in order to play huge size games and also to store more apps on my SD card...
shanraviappu said:
Guys, i need to extend my internal Memory in Sony Xperia M dual without rooting...Is there any possibilities there in order to play huge size games and also to store more apps on my SD card...
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no...
y dontt u root the phone?
its easy to unroot[the warranty will not be void]
Dr Goodvibes said:
Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
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I(not an informed rep) note the XPERIA M is the only Android device using the MSM8227 SoC that I can find... Oh dear.
Maybe Qualcomm will just bin any Android upgrade support, if it requires to much effort for so few Android devices..
This could mean the Sony XPERIA M may be one of the few phones not to advance beyond the Android version it was released on.
This is just something to think about as I'm NOT an engineer and so don't go running off waving your hands about screaming the sky is falling... it's just my observation and something to consider.
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You're just summoning another ****storm on the forums.
This post is inaccurate, to say at least, in its entirety, as the M model IS IN FACT getting Android 4.3 in the first quarter of 2014.
ToastnButter said:
You're just summoning another ****storm on the forums.
This post is inaccurate, to say at least, in its entirety, as the M model IS IN FACT getting Android 4.3 in the first quarter of 2014.
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? who said this? how do u know about update?
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? who said this? how do u know about update?
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I saw it on here.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony...d-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821.shtml
But according to this Xperia L should of recieved its 4.3 update or may be getting it soon (before 2014), but Sony's Official post never mentioned any update for the Xperia L.
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I saw it on here.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony...d-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821.shtml
But according to this Xperia L should of recieved its 4.3 update or may be getting it soon (before 2014), but Sony's Official post never mentioned any update for the Xperia L.
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DONT BELIEVE SOME SITES INFO...its the proven fake image..
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage...-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821-2.jpg/
see the full image...
it shows the xperia sp no update lol....
it will get 4.3 and 4.4
and see V no update...but even it will get 4.3..
xperia L yes in q4 of 2013 ....lol sony doesnt even thinking of update for now...
and there are 2 xperia T in it..
the first one it states that the update will release on the 4th quarter whereas the last one states as No 4.3 release for Xperia T
Dr Goodvibes said:
Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
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My observation was not well received so I removed it.
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I hope that that poster didn't get away with it. That's ridiculous. Since when is it not possible to post an opinion/guess/observation?
Yep, any of us that have owned Xperia 2012/2013 devices may have noticed that mid-tier devices often do get upgrades to major Android revisions, just not the first batch, which makes sense. I think the M will get it, maybe March or so.
Dudes/Dudettes, we're all good.
I didn't really like my own comment that much anyway.
I just worded my retraction poorly and come across as a bit of a drama queen. Fixed it now.
We're in a highly speculate thread until Sony provides confirmation on the direction the XPERIA M will take, so we can except augments from all points of view.
The truth is out there, hopefully we'll know soon.
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I hope that that poster didn't get away with it. That's ridiculous. Since when is it not possible to post an opinion/guess/observation?
Yep, any of us that have owned Xperia 2012/2013 devices may have noticed that mid-tier devices often do get upgrades to major Android revisions, just not the first batch, which makes sense. I think the M will get it, maybe March or so.
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Dudes/Dudettes, we're all good.
I didn't really like my own comment that much anyway.
I just worded my retraction poorly and come across as a bit of a drama queen. Fixed it now.
We're in a highly speculate thread until Sony provides confirmation on the direction the XPERIA M will take, so we can except augments from all points of view.
The truth is out there, hopefully we'll know soon.
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guys Xperia M is not mid tier to sony..
for them 15000+ is mid tier..
if u see the list for update they has plan to update SP,T,TX,V
all are 15000+
they missed their J,miro...which 15000-
what i m saying is just dont have too much believe and get angry on sony,and dont believe the some sites info...
just wait for <1 year we can see whether SONY give or not giving the update to Xperia M..
but i hope they would alteast give any one update to M like 4.3 or 4.4 in future ... since they didnt update Xperia M to 4.2[maybe planning to jump version instead of wasting time in 4.2]
So what is the Xperia E? The E and M are definitely not even close in terms of specs.
Maybe it's market-dependent. I live in Europe. Here, roughly the prices are:
Xperia E- €60
Xperia M - €250
Xperia SP €350
Xperia Z - €500
The Xperia M is mid-tier in Europe. In no universe is a €250 phone budget. I cannot be sure of every maket outside Europe but I can be here.
p.s. The Xperia Go in 2013 was updated to JellyBean. That was mid-tier.
I know that the M struggled to get a place on XDA for a long time, it wasn't even indexed when it was put in here, so it was quite hard to find. Then a lot of dev work took off on other sites. That's a loss for XDA.
I just checked out the Xperia E. What do you know? It's not in the bin section. It has a place with the other phones. I cannot imagine that the M really has less activity than the E. The E is in economical terms, a budget device. The Xperia M is not. It is a mid-tier device. Now what? The screen isn't phablet size therefore it's not worthy?
I hope that when the decisions are made, an international perspective is taken. I know that the M has been released in the US, but it's used all over the world, as our users show. It's a global-release phone.
Does anyone know more about how this stuff is figured out?
I have previosly owned HTC Wildfire s, budget phone, but there are tons of customr roms, krenels, recovery and mod for it. I've switched to Xperia M now and really hope that support for this phone will go better Sorry for spelling mistakes, if there are ones...
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I know that the M struggled to get a place on XDA for a long time, it wasn't even indexed when it was put in here, so it was quite hard to find. Then a lot of dev work took off on other sites. That's a loss for XDA.
I just checked out the Xperia E. What do you know? It's not in the bin section. It has a place with the other phones. I cannot imagine that the M really has less activity than the E. The E is in economical terms, a budget device. The Xperia M is not. It is a mid-tier device. Now what? The screen isn't phablet size therefore it's not worthy?
I hope that when the decisions are made, an international perspective is taken. I know that the M has been released in the US, but it's used all over the world, as our users show. It's a global-release phone.
Does anyone know more about how this stuff is figured out?
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First of Sony xperia M hasn't struggle to make place on XDA, it just take couples of PMs to right people that's all(which i have done to get this forum). and regarding to development this device is new in the market as compare to E, So keep it quite and you will get tons of roms and kernels, you just need to wait
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First of Sony xperia M hasn't struggle to make place on XDA, it just take couples of PMs to right people that's all(which i have done to get this forum). and regarding to development this device is new in the market as compare to E, So keep it quite and you will get tons of roms and kernels, you just need to wait
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It did struggle on XDA. I followed the New Device Request thread for a couple of months, I saw all the +Xperia M requests. I had it in my signature for about 2 months, encouraging others to request. Every once in a while a Mod would say 'we're considering between these devices now'. Page after page showed many requests and it still took a really long time. Now it's in the XDA bin. Is it not expensive enough? Is that the problem?
It was launched in August. This is mid-November. I've owned Sony (+Ericsson) devices and have been rooting, unlocking, modding, contributing, adding tutorials for Sony 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 devices, but I still think it's really unusual.
Gee, the kids are impatient these days.
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It did struggle on XDA. I followed the New Device Request thread for a couple of months, I saw all the +Xperia M requests. I had it in my signature for about 2 months, encouraging others to request. Every once in a while a Mod would say 'we're considering between these devices now'. Page after page showed many requests and it still took a really long time. Now it's in the XDA bin. Is it not expensive enough? Is that the problem?
It was launched in August. This is mid-November. I've owned Sony (+Ericsson) devices and have been rooting, unlocking, modding, contributing, adding tutorials for Sony 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 devices, but I still think it's really unusual.
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AFAIK posting request on that thread is a very long and hard process to gain a thread on XDA, To get a forum on XDA it just needs A supporting RC/RD/RT or maybe a moderator. yes the device was launched in August but also please consider its availability on different countries and its price range. In my town this device was available from September. So it will take some time to get speed pal.
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First of Sony xperia M hasn't struggle to make place on XDA, it just take couples of PMs to right people that's all(which i have done to get this forum). and regarding to development this device is new in the market as compare to E, So keep it quite and you will get tons of roms and kernels, you just need to wait
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Absolutely agree with you mate. Phone is new and everybody is enjoying the taste of stock firmware, coz nobody will return to stock fw when custom roms will arrive.
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icoolguy1995: I think you make fair and reasonable points. It's great when you can talk on XDA without angry people :victory:
Mini note in general - A poster mentioned 'impatience' regarding waiting for custom ROMS/kernels. I never mentioned these, it's not about custom ROMS/kernels.
Also, I listened to a technology podcast discussion the other day, they discussed the 'mobile market has shifted to an upgrade-a-phone-per-year model'. I guess that's because of the rate of innovation. So, by the time the M moves out of the bin Sony will have 6 new phones.
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AFAIK posting request on that thread is a very long and hard process to gain a thread on XDA, To get a forum on XDA it just needs A supporting RC/RD/RT or maybe a moderator. yes the device was launched in August but also please consider its availability on different countries and its price range. In my town this device was available from September. So it will take some time to get speed pal.
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Agree.... :thumbsup:
Xperia M is not mid-tier, Its entry level, since it only has a dual core, and the RAM is not even LP DDR2 yet. Xperia L deserves the title more
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Xperia M is not mid-tier, Its entry level, since it only has a dual core, and the RAM is not even LP DDR2 yet. Xperia L deserves the title more
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So?
Xperia L is not in low activity. And this thread is for M not for L. And you cant say this is an entry level phone because this phone has good hardware for example ADRENO 305 which you will not find in any entry level phone and i hope you didnt forgotten the KRAIT cpu.
And dont post spam please.
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Racer X said:
Xperia M is not mid-tier, Its entry level, since it only has a dual core, and the RAM is not even LP DDR2 yet. Xperia L deserves the title more
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Actually both Xperia L and M are entry level phones...
Development For Xperia M
Hi,
Im new to this forum especially as I have just recently purchased this handset after upgrading from the Xperia Arc S which I would like to say is a good phone but im looking to take my skills to a new level.
I did a lot of rom testing on the Arc S even up to the CM11 4.4 Kitkat rom that was released for this phone.
I am however looking to do development work for this phone as well and maybe work on porting some of my apps and mods from ICS upto JB with help from anyone who is interested.
Hope people maybe interested and lets see what we can do to get people interested in this device
Thanks
Rob Nightingale
(xperialive12)
P.M me for more details
Hi! Well, seeing as there's revolution in the issue of globalization of the device, I want to clarify that just earlier this month came to Argentina, we are talking at the beginning of 2014, when months went on the market, so to not despair there are still places where it spread mobile magnificent. I hope I have been helpful, thank you very much and greetings.
And sorry for my English, I used a translator, because I did not communicate fluently.
Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but I saw something that doesn't get in my head: I can't understand why a device that wasn't even released (Xperia M2) has a dedicated forum section in the main page, while Xperia M is in low-activity section. Yes, we don't have a lot of kernels and custom ROMs available right now for Xperia M, but that's a lot compared to the dedicated forum section Xperia M2 got, many of them without any post at all :silly:
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Sorry for resurrecting this thread, but I saw something that doesn't get in my head: I can't understand why a device that wasn't even released (Xperia M2) has a dedicated forum section in the main page, while Xperia M is in low-activity section. Yes, we don't have a lot of kernels and custom ROMs available right now for Xperia M, but that's a lot compared to the dedicated forum section Xperia M2 got, many of them without any post at all :silly:
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To even open a new forum many things are taken into consideration. One of them is the shown interest of devs for the said device and another the expected popularity.
These may be some of the reasons.
As for Xperia M being into Low Activity, as an Xpeia M user, what's the difference?
Xperia M is low mid ranger device
Xperia L has much more
Like 8 MP camra with stunning featurrs
Processor is little faster then M
8 GB internal storage
4.3 inches display
But I think that xperia M shouldn't be included in low activity section.
It is low mid ranger device
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So what?
It's not caused by that how our device is... It's caused because there is still not much roms/kernels for our device. In Xperia l cause it was much more easier for developers to get kk roms because it has 4.4 aosp sources from Sony.
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In Xperia L it was much more easier for developers to get kk roms because it has 4.4 aosp sources from Sony.
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Xperia L may have KK AOSP sources but still lacks an official 4.3 update, never confirmed or even rumored by Sony. And for the guys saying that Xperia L is way better than Xperia M, just compare the specs: Xperia L is just a Xperia M with better camera and different design, and that's all, everything else remains the same, same amount of RAM, same GPU and same CPU.
And before someone says that XL have a bigger screen, yes, it has a 0.3" bigger screen, but at the same resolution of XM, making its PPI lower than Xperia M screen (228 ppi vs 245 ppi). In Xperia M advantage we have a dual SIM version, while Xperia L don't. But all this Xperia L vs Xperia M talk is off-topic, the thing is that for me Xperia M does deserve a better place in XDA forums, but appears that only I think so :silly:
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Xperia L may have KK AOSP sources but still lacks an official 4.3 update, never confirmed or even rumored by Sony. And for the guys saying that Xperia L is way better than Xperia M, just compare the specs: Xperia L is just a Xperia M with better camera and different design, and that's all, everything else remains the same, same amount of RAM, same GPU and same CPU.
And before someone says that XL have a bigger screen, yes, it has a 0.3" bigger screen, but at the same resolution of XM, making its PPI lower than Xperia M screen (228 ppi vs 245 ppi). In Xperia M advantage we have a dual SIM version, while Xperia L don't. But all this Xperia L vs Xperia M talk is off-topic, the thing is that for me Xperia M does deserve a better place in XDA forums, but appears that only I think so :silly:
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actually L has better cpu[just see specs of cpu name and number]
it can play 1080p
but still m is not low activity device...
anyways no problem where it is...[atleast its here]
I am looking at the Z1 development section and there are lots of roms for it, including a very nice GPe port from the Z Ultra. Since the Z1c is supposed to be almost the same thing as the Z1, how easy would it be to port Z1 roms to the Z1c? If it's indeed easy, we'll have an avalanche of roms to choose from, which is great. Would the porting process be difficult?
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I am looking at the Z1 development section and there are lots of roms for it, including a very nice GPe port from the Z Ultra. Since the Z1c is supposed to be almost the same thing as the Z1, how easy would it be to port Z1 roms to the Z1c? If it's indeed easy, we'll have an avalanche of roms to choose from, which is great. Would the porting process be difficult?
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I can't say one way or another, as I am not a developer. However, as many of the rooting/unlocking procedures seem to be borrowed from the Z1, I'd say it's quite likely. Coming from an Xperia Ray I can say that many of the roms I used were developed for the entire 2011 Xperia line.
Ok I'm a developer but I haven't checked the Z1 ROMs yet... Both should be easy to port unless Xperia Z1 resource files doesn't support lower screen resolution. If it does then it should be pretty easy. But if it doesn't then it would be a pain porting one as you would have to rescale the images, modify xml files and change the height & width to make it fit for xperia z1 compact.
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I am looking at the Z1 development section and there are lots of roms for it, including a very nice GPe port from the Z Ultra. Since the Z1c is supposed to be almost the same thing as the Z1, how easy would it be to port Z1 roms to the Z1c? If it's indeed easy, we'll have an avalanche of roms to choose from, which is great. Would the porting process be difficult?
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i have seen lots of different phones with latest roms and new mods everyday, while xperia ion developers thrive to find a solution to fix the lolipop 5.0.1[BETA].
Does this mean there isnt any developer alive for ion??
why has this come to such a critical position for xperia ion users to hunt for a developer while other devices have imense of mods and rom still havent been tested just because they are in surplus. While the world is moving to make their own android M, ion users are expecting a miracle to get themselves on lolipop 5.0.
if this continues ion users will be forsed to move on or suite themselves with one of the 4.4.x roms.
Yeah. I mean take a look at xperia s, has 3 lollipop Roms. Bpaul, the developer Lollipop developer for the lolipop 5.0.1[BETA]. has temporarily given up to go and develop for that same device (First!). when Android M is already around the corner. Sometimes wished I could do something about it. This is a great Device.
Yes eu all are right developer a builting rom for that hand set that get official update from company think about us we r still using kit Kat seems win 10 is in market and we r using win 7 where are all developer is only bpaul is there what other developers are doing? It's just a humble request on the behalf of all xperia ion lt28h users to developer to plz built a stable lolipop rom for this poor users
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Yes eu all are right developer a builting rom for that hand set that get official update from company think about us we r still using kit Kat seems win 10 is in market and we r using win 7 where are all developer is only bpaul is there what other developers are doing? It's just a humble request on the behalf of all xperia ion lt28h users to developer to plz built a stable lolipop rom for this poor users
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yeah..guys what i can say for now our Xperia Ion has been classified as 'RARE'
Hey is there any chances of getting Android M for Sony xperia ion users??
mj673687 said:
i have seen lots of different phones with latest roms and new mods everyday, while xperia ion developers thrive to find a solution to fix the lolipop 5.0.1[BETA].
Does this mean there isnt any developer alive for ion??
why has this come to such a critical position for xperia ion users to hunt for a developer while other devices have imense of mods and rom still havent been tested just because they are in surplus. While the world is moving to make their own android M, ion users are expecting a miracle to get themselves on lolipop 5.0.
if this continues ion users will be forsed to move on or suite themselves with one of the 4.4.x roms.
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Yeah,Developers are dead.I'm Xperia S are installing uCyan 12.1/nAOSProm 5.1/OneOfAKind 5.1.1/Chroma 5.1.1 Roms. And the roms are bugs not fix I hope Rom Income Android Marshmallow [Sorry my bad English]
The thing is, it's extremely dificult to develop without having the phone, and the Ion didn't sell as much as the XS. You can see the development area for the Xperia S is slowly fading, and for the Ion it's fading a lot faster. So, either pick a ROM of your choice and be happy with it or learn how to code and develop custom ROMs and Kernels yourself. I had the Xperia S for 3 years and even tho we had more developers, they were much less then before. So, after using Lollipop and facing a **** ton of bugs, I learned to code myself and got rid of 80% of the problems. But, after a couple of months, getting maximum 1h30 of SOT per charge, I decided it was time to retire it and buy a new phone.
I think the Xperia S might get Marshmallow, but I think Ion shouldn't or should take much longer.
It's really a nice device.
Hello guys,
I want to switch from Honor 8 to Xperia XZ2 Compact, but I fear from a serious issue: the lack of custom ROM support. I haven't seen any ROMs specifically developed for the XZ2 Compact in the development thread yet, but there are always AOSP, Lineage OS, Resurrection Remix or Carbon ROM GSIs on the rescue, but I'm not sure if everything works fine. Can I install them as my daily driver OS or just stick with the factory Sony ROM to avoid issues with the OS?
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Hello guys,
I want to switch from Honor 8 to Xperia XZ2 Compact, but I fear from a serious issue: the lack of custom ROM support. I haven't seen any ROMs specifically developed for the XZ2 Compact in the development thread yet, but there are always AOSP, Lineage OS, Resurrection Remix or Carbon ROM GSIs on the rescue, but I'm not sure if everything works fine. Can I install them as my daily driver OS or just stick with the factory Sony ROM to avoid issues with the OS?
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atm you can only stay with stock, no roms for this phone yet because to root you need to unlock the bl and lose camera functionality. i used to be a flashaolic, but i like stock Sony fw and can stay with it, only miss root.. if you want custom roms and root, get another phone. or wait until someone will develop a drm fix for this phone
Maybe me
I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
squid2 said:
I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
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Thanks for that offer!
Without wanting to be disrespectful, but how do we know, that you really buy the device after we donate (if there are only lets say $200 at all)?
I mean, i have no problem to donate $20 (and i donated for Insert Coin Rom more than once), but usually the developers at least already had the device and were working on the rom.
And we doesn't even have a recovery...
squid2 said:
I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
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same reason why i bought this phone, is the only good one available in the market not huge like all others, can't stand them. i could donate no problem, let's see how many could be interested.. you assure you can give us some custom ROMs without lacking good working camera?
I understand your concern @old.splatterhand. I mainly just wanted to gauge how many people are seriously interested, and I’m not really in great need of the money.
Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
This is better for you because you have no risk of losing money, and you maintain an incentive for me to complete the project. This is better for me because I would not feel compelled or guilty if I fail to meet my goal for unforeseen reasons (technical or personal), and I don't want to be in a situation where I feel morally obligated to do a lot of work for not much money.
@FcukBloat Regarding camera - hopefully Sony will sort that out soon, since the camera is supposed to continue working (without fancy noise reduction) when the bootloader is unlocked. If Sony fail to live up to their own standards, we’ll see. The first step would be to just build Sony's own AOSP, and since nobody has done that yet, we don't know if AOSP camera does or does not work.
to be honest i am enjoying my new non-flashaolic life with this phone, what i really miss is just root but keeping working camera, nevertheless i promise to donate if you'll bring some development for this phone that, even if not me, some other could enjoy. I've always donated for dev work i used with my phones so it won't be a problem at all to do that also in this case even if in the end i won't use your roms
you could maybe unify the quest for this section and regular xz2 also? this would bring more willing donators i think, and shouldn't be too much additional work for you?(i think to support regular xz2 also you'd just need to make two kernels with small differences from each other?)
squid2 said:
Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
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Thats a fair deal! So, count on me, i'm in and donate :good:
FcukBloat said:
to be honest i am enjoying my new non-flashaolic life with this phone, what i really miss is just root but keeping working camera, nevertheless i promise to donate if you'll bring some development for this phone that, even if not me, some other could enjoy. I've always donated for dev work i used with my phones so it won't be a problem at all to do that also in this case even if in the end i won't use your roms
you could maybe unify the quest for this section and regular xz2 also? this would bring more willing donators i think, and shouldn't be too much additional work for you?(i think to support regular xz2 also you'd just need to make two kernels with small differences from each other?)
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I’d use the same kernel for both, and would probably use a commonized device tree structure (Sony already does that in their AOSP trees on GitHub). Thus, supporting the regular XZ2 shouldn’t be difficult, and it would certainly increase the number of people interested. I can’t justify buying a second high end phone myself, but I can make builds for users to test.
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Thus, supporting the regular XZ2 shouldn’t be difficult, and it would certainly increase the number of people interested.
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I'm sure thats true
I think i'll leave the 2 most interesting threads from xz2 here for people who are interested in:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...recovery-twrp-3-2-2-0-touch-recovery-t3821597
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz2/help/happen-unlock-bootloader-t3769726
for who is willing to help, why don't making a new thread about this "donators hunt" in this phone's discussion section, and then making another thread also in xz2's discussion section, linking to original one? there we could collect donators also for other xz2(c) devs like @MartinX3 @serajr etc
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for who is willing to help, why don't making a new thread about this "donators hunt" in this phone's discussion section, and then making another thread also in xz2's discussion section, linking to original one? there we could collect donators also for other xz2(c) devs like @MartinX3 @serajr etc
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That sounds like a good idea. I’m personally debating between them XZ2 compact and the (upcoming) Pixel 3. Assuming rumours are correct and the Pixel 3 is similar in dimensions to the Pixel 2, the device wouldn’t be too huge, though still a bit larger than I’d prefer. However, the Pixel would have several benefits over the XZ2 compact: OLED display, better camera, no infuriating camera DRM, better developer support from the OEM, android verified boot (allows locking BL to your own keys), and a much larger community of developers and custom ROM users. For the Pixel 3, I could also just sit back and have others with more time and enthusiasm do all the development for me If the Pixel 3 (non-XL) is indeed reasonably sized, I’ll probably buy one of those when they come out.
With that said, if enough people pledge interest in me doing work on the XZ2 compact, I’d buy one too. If 25+ XZ2 compact users pledge support, I’ll buy an XZ2 compact and bring LineageOS to it, regardless of whether or not I buy a Pixel. If 40+ users of XZ2 and XZ2 compact combined pledge support, I’ll try to bring LineageOS to both. If someone else wants to help, I’d appreciate that too.
@FcukBloat @serajr @squid2 @old.splatterhand
I am also interessted in LineageOS for this device and making a donation. Could you mention me, when you start developing LineageOS?
There shouldn't be much difference between the XZ2 compact, XZ2 and XZ2 Premium expect the driver (vendor/oem) partition and maybe some parts of the kernel.
And the LineageOS Treble image and the Sony Xperia AOSP Project is very helpful, if you want to get a LineageOS maintainer.
After the bootloader update for the XZ2 compact, XZ2 and XZ2 Premium, I will update my device files and compile TWRP again.
First for the XZ2 and if that works, for the XZ2 compact and XZ2 Premium, too.
They are very similiar. As example, the XZ2 and the XZ2 Compact sharing the same fstab file.
So there is a high chance, that the XZ2 Premium is similiar, too.
You can view the progress here!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...ecovery-twrp-3-2-2-0-touch-recovery-t3821597/
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That sounds like a good idea. I’m personally debating between them XZ2 compact and the (upcoming) Pixel 3. Assuming rumours are correct and the Pixel 3 is similar in dimensions to the Pixel 2, the device wouldn’t be too huge, though still a bit larger than I’d prefer. However, the Pixel would have several benefits over the XZ2 compact: OLED display, better camera, no infuriating camera DRM, better developer support from the OEM, android verified boot (allows locking BL to your own keys), and a much larger community of developers and custom ROM users. For the Pixel 3, I could also just sit back and have others with more time and enthusiasm do all the development for me If the Pixel 3 (non-XL) is indeed reasonably sized, I’ll probably buy one of those when they come out.
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I was evaluating pixel 3 also, it is 1cm taller than xz2c, so bigger but not that much (and still smaller than all other damned huge phones released nowadays) plus luckily it won't have that awful notch... so will see and if it will be really better than xz2c (not easy as this is a great phone!) I may get one and sell the sony.. from pixel 3 I like always on display, flat back, probably reduced weight, and yes as you say probable easy root wihout loosing (cam) performances... but I have to carefully check P3 battery life which I care a lot...
I personally don't care about the display, I find this IPS very good and even better than some OLED panels I tried (S7) and also camera is great for me in this phone (even in low light) but yes probably because of the SW alghoritms in pixel 3 will be better...
squid2 said:
I understand your concern @old.splatterhand. I mainly just wanted to gauge how many people are seriously interested, and I’m not really in great need of the money.
Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
This is better for you because you have no risk of losing money, and you maintain an incentive for me to complete the project. This is better for me because I would not feel compelled or guilty if I fail to meet my goal for unforeseen reasons (technical or personal), and I don't want to be in a situation where I feel morally obligated to do a lot of work for not much money.
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To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
niaboc79 said:
To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
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I understand you.
But I did choose the XZ2, because I get regular updates, Sony pay and support the AOSP development for their devices and the XZ2 has a high durability and is water proofed.
Like a high-speed outdoor smartphone.
Is the cam quality really as worse as you say, when you use the DRM fix, camera API 2 and a gcam port for your chipset?
niaboc79 said:
To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
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are you going to prepare a stock based rom also for xz2c maybe? I'd only need few features from custom ROMs :fingers-crossed:
MartinX3 said:
I understand you.
But I did choose the XZ2, because I get regular updates, Sony pay and support the AOSP development for their devices and the XZ2 has a high durability and is water proofed.
Like a high-speed outdoor smartphone.
Is the cam quality really as worse as you say, when you use the DRM fix, camera API 2 and a gcam port for your chipset?
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I choose the xz2 because I like it, that's all. For me it's a great device, great look and fast.
For me Sony doesn't really support developers, they allow a small amount of devs to share source of AOSP that's all, Sony doesn't share what's needed to build perfect AOSP. If the camera works since Oreo it's only because AOSP devs and some guys here on xda worked hard.
Also if they support developers why so much things linked to drm. Why so much issues when unlocking bootloader. They should allow us to unlock bootloader without loosing anything and like that we could come back to stock rom without issue or stupid message at boot.
I like Sony, all I buy is made by them. But the main developers, not the aosp one doesn't like us and are doing all they can to discourage us to go ahead in development. I can understand them, they loose also many things with years, all what they are allowed to do is build stock with 5 Sony options, they lost what made Sony's stock rom amazing, the difference, the innovation.
Finally, since the Xperia Z I've never seen a good camera on aosp or custom rom, neither than a fully functional phone, I mean fingerprint reader, battery charging, automatic brightness, camera, noise canceling, battery life.
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FcukBloat said:
are you going to prepare a stock based rom also for xz2c maybe? I'd only need few features from custom ROMs :fingers-crossed:
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As soon as a working recovery, drm fix on official Android P will be available, I will build my eXistenZ rom on XZ2 and XZ2 compact family [emoji6]
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niaboc79 said:
As soon as a working recovery, drm fix on official Android P will be available, I will build my eXistenZ rom on XZ2 and XZ2 compact family [emoji6]
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In the theory the DRM fix is finished.
But we need twrp to test it.
And to get a working twrp, Sony need to release the next bootloader update and to announce the XZ2 as part of the open source program.
And don't ask for an ETA.
They only know the words soon and ASAP. :silly:
But they added the tama akari apollo defconfigs and a kernel build script to the asop sources this week.
Maybe the release is now really soon.