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Disappointed by the LG Nexus 5X specs and price ... is the LG G4 still worth buying?

As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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This decision is really up to what features you find value in. I love my G4 and you would have to decide if you want a phone that has removable battery and expandable storage to say have fingerprint scanner and the latest OS. These phones are different in a lot of ways.
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I picked up the G4 the day it came out,so I've had a good few months with it. Definitely no regrets. Coming from Samsung, it's a much less intrusive version of Android..... Than say... Touchwizz. It could benefit from extra features for battery saving mode like on the Sony or SAMSUNG, but it easily lasts me a day.
One of the best cameras, used it on my recent trip Italy, if you are into photography... You can have a lot of fun.
With every phone you will find +/-, but sure you can probably get a good deal on aG4, making it a real phone to consider.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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I can answer one of those questions: the overlay is acceptable, because 99.5% of the time I don't see it because I use the camera/browser/gallery/app of choice, instead of playing with the settings. That might be different in your case, but since you asked I thought I'd answer.

Hell! I'd recommend the G4 over their 6P! For that European price, I'd 100% recommend the G4 over it!!! No doubt about it! You can get the G4 for 420 euros! The 6P will be 650 and I still think the G4 will compare just as well Or even better in the camera department and battery life. Nexus' aren't known for battery life. Neither is the LG, but hey! ...

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs.
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what about the P variant ?
was a bit disappointed with the 5X specs too. with only 2gb, what reason is there to upgrade from the nexus 5 ?
Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Not for you, for a lot of non-purists, yes.
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
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exactly. will not mix with 'Hello Kitty'
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
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there is the sense mod if you are rooted. but this available for any android.
How fast the software updates get released?
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no where as fast as you would get on nexus. they come in time though.

I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
I find LG interface to be much more bearable than Samsung which to me personally is unusable. This is helped by the fact of on-screen buttons. But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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eksasol said:
I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
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Then you are not a typical nexus user. You are interested in nexus only because updates are regular and this keeps the value of your device up.
You really prefer to have the extra 'features' every non nexus device offers.
So is this the same as the OP or not.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
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some would say they have exceeded apple in terms of build and quality with their offerings this year.
But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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if you don't need the camera...

Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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neflictus said:
Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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86 in photo and 79 in video for both but one has 84 points and G4 83 points, anyways DxoMark just sucks, a french reviewer... never in low light

I'm disappointed in the 5x because of the faux look of dual front speakers when in reality one is just an earpiece speaker, nothing more and lack of qi charging, and same outdated storage options. Really don't care about the lack of RAM, not like I can tell a difference going from the G4 to nexus 5, though all of it is hard to justify at $380 when you pay $20 more and get 3gb of ram, a 5.7 inch 2k screen, and an SD slot by choosing a moto x pure edition. 5x specs would be fine with nexus 4 pricing tiers
To answer your question if you're a purist like me, LG UX will drive you bonkers. So much stuff they changed just to be different that doesn't really have a purpose. I like it overall OK but have already decided I'm going back to a nexus or a moto next year. Also the memory leak is in full effect on it as LG has written 5.1.1 off as "too minor to even bother with" which means it won't get fixed until you get marshmallow which probably won't be until 2016
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neflictus said:
Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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That was quick but the most interesting scores are the N6P is top for texture in stills beating the S6 & G4 and beating both again for Noise by 4 points.
I think the comparisons of N6P against S6/G4 are going to be interesting, hard as it might be to believe, expect the N6P shots to look slightly better in details than the S6/G4. How to counter that ? reduce to 12MP on both, now noise & details will look sharper and the difference will be hard to tell. Still, this is an achievement for the N6P. The 6S+ did not get there. The Z5 did.
In terms of video stabilisation its a good ten points behind the G4 so jerky video.
12MP and 1/2.3" rear camera.
The big catch is that there is no OIS in either N5X or N6P, pretty shocking considering N5 & N6 had it. Go to the trouble to make a good camera and then leave out OIS. Seriously WTH!!!! So like the Z5 except the Z5 will have more features ootb. You better have good handholds a la xperia or M9 to get clear low light shots with these nexii.
What will the camera interface be like, google camera has always been very limited. 3rd party cams will be essential. And then we will find out just how slow the shutter gets to.
They left out wireless charging on both ! ok, i get it that morotola is crap at wireless charging but LG already nailed it with the 5, two years ago.
Course for those who want sd & removable battery, software is not going to be able to fix

I've just returned my LG G4 to get the Nexus 5x.
I loved the G4's camera but the bloatware, bluetooth issues, buggy smart unlock, constant notifications of "NFC may drain battery" when using my car dock, the big when you put it on charge, the bing when it finishes charging, the bing when you turn it on, the bing when you turn it off.... it stopped being an enjoyable device to use and it was all because of what LG had done to Android.
So I'm going back to stock android. Originally I was going to wait for a G4 AOSP or Cyanogen rom but with the announcement of the fantastic Nexus 5x camera I decided to make the move while I still could..
The feature list is cut down compared to the G4 but it is stuff I am not so concerned with. I've not used expandable storage since moving to use Google music, Photo, Docs, Keep and Drive. I've never used wireless charging, and I don't game on my phones so I am not worried about the 1gb less of ram, especially when my Nexus 4 uses nearly 1GB of ram less than the LG G4 when idling.

I got the G4 after trying almost all other phones out there. I had Z3, HTC One M9, S6, Nexus 6, Iphone 6, and now G4 and the G4 blows them all away.
It is quicker than the others, has no memory or multitasking issues contrary to some minor views in this thread, the bluetooth, 4g and wifi work perfectly, smart lock works fine too, the camera beats all of the other phones I owned, and the battery life is equal to if not better than all at 5 Hours SOT at 60% screen brightness.
The new google launcher is AWFUL so wanting that is just nonesense, and the LG launcher has replaced Nova for me, because it's just as customisable.
Nexus fans won't want it though because they want Stock = Boring, and prefer the boring look to a decent camera and features. Anyone expecting the new Nexus devices to actually have decent real world camera is praying to the wrong gods.

I have no memory leak issues with my Verizon model, and love 95% of this phone.
Coming from a Nexus/Moto X background, I find LG's ui decent and mostly easy to use. There are 2 or 3 little annoyances in how settings are accessed, but Nova Launcher fixes most design issues - an icon pack and new screen layout, plus gestures to shortcut to the settings I use most.
I world consider rooting to clean up the other small issues, but I'm a regular Android Pay user do I'm holding off until that all shakes out.
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G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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Im a huge nexus fan ive owned all of them from the first HTC to the last motorola. I bought the g4 blindly to test the non nexus waters and this phone has blown me away especially after the updates and the camera is super amazing and no nexus can or will beat it. Dont get me wrong ill probably grab the new nexus 5 based on stock so i can have fun rooting and putting custom roms on it, but besides having cutting edge software it will be my secondary phone and ill stick with my g4 for everyday use. To be honest im a crack flasher and it feels good to not have that urge with my g4, i got root and thats all i needed to get rid of some things and add xposed to tweak it a bit. Very happy with my g4 and will likely get the g5 when it drops.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Hello, I bought the G4 for about a month and it has no problem till now. Everything is OK. The body design is a little bend and quite comfortable playing with the phone. But the price is a little bit expensive for me. I was impulsive to buy it. Fortunately it performs well overall.

ambervals6 said:
G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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no, because G4 and 5X share same hardware.

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Yes. In terms of hardware, it's about even up. And the G4 also offers a miniSD slot, exchangeable battery, and nice back covers. Only possible drawback might be the battery live, probably mostly thanks to the G4's insane resolution.
Is the LG overlay acceptable?
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I don't like the LG icons, but that can be easily changed by using a different launcher like Nova. Also, the colors for toast messages and quick settings are a bit bright (cyan). And the mobile data protocol (LTE, G3, ...) is displayed as own icon instead of small text in the reception bar icon. Most of the rest can easily be ignored or even be disabled in the settings.
But a lot of this (and more) can be modified even without unlocking the bootloader. You can flash rooted ROMs via the cable firmware update screen, and then use FlashFire to flash other ZIP updates like Xposed or themed variants (warning: very slow...).
With the European H815 version, you can also unlock the bootloader, but you'll lose warranty, and it can't be unlocked. But it'll allow you to flash "more AOSP" ROMs. (Official CM12 is work in progress, but there's an inofficial port available.)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Android M at least has been announced for the G4. I guess it's hard to tell even by LG's developers, as it depends on the changes made by Google.
But then, the changes made since Android 4.1 aren't that impressive anyway IMHO, and several recent updates had some teething troubles, so maybe it's not so bad to wait a bit longer...

It's lonely up here - V50 - will you come?

LG has a present for you...
UPDATE:
Here is what to expect if you head for V50!
Sound quality increased by 5-10% over G7, don't know how much over v30.
RCS messages from Google fully working.
Stellar battery life ~9 hours with some heavy usage - for example downloaded and uploaded today via wifi and lte around 15 GB, one software update, and some 4K60FPS with super steady mode enabled - around 20 min total movies, some photos, 2 hours of tidal with Bluetooth ldac and screen off, the rest for websurfing and YouTube.
Stellar cameras. Best out there. Tested VS note 10 plus and p30pro. P30pro is a big s... t, except in zoom
Stellar display. My wife has regular s10 and V50 is better. Same blacks, same VIVID COLORS, but WAAAAY better WHITE.
Camera software has so many settings, not gimmicks. Really nice video editing software.
Nice design. Those cameras under glass are so sexy.
5G
Really nice Haptic vibrator.
Better boom box speaker compared with g7
Each mobth I got an update. 2 on July, one on August in fact
What else!? TV app and more functions that I didn't had on G7.

4 me? nice

Looking to get some devs over to the v50?

It's a perfect phone. Feel free to ask anything. I can give you feedback.

Stuckurface said:
Looking to get some devs over to the v50?
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kinda

Not even launched in India

Inerent said:
LG has a present for you...
Ask if interested.
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What exactly are you going on about?
And, you do realize (hopefully) that this is the LG V30 subforum, right? Right?

Inerent said:
kinda
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First you gotta fix LGs marketing ... especially in Europe... V50 is available at ... what? 2 or 3 carriers (in whole europe).
Otherwise no normal shop even has it, only thing i find (in shops from germany/austria/uk/poland via price comparison site) is an offer from ebay for 900€.

Inerent said:
LG has a present for you...
Ask if interested.
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What, a free phone or something?
Not really interested in any of the 1st generation "5G" phones.

Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?

lg v50
is it better than v30

Just buy an lg g8
Better price available triple cameras (in europe) and offer the same features as the v50 just if you want DUAL DISPLAY or 5G just waiiiiiiiiiiitttt and throw 200$ for extra nothing

Alibaba0101 said:
Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?
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Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:

Inerent said:
Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:
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V60 is coming in couple of months.
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v60
With the V50 appearing to be a flop, LG's trying its hand again with the V60. The V60 is expected to be announced during IFA 2019, and this is everything we know about the phone so far.
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That will be better "5G" phone and better cameras. But I'm still holding onto my V30+.

I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30

Blueice87 said:
I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30
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Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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I think you're already set for a few years. The V35 is like the perfect upgrade after a V30

V30 has RCS, VoLTE and Wifi Calling too. My LTE speeds on Sprint are 200 Mbps. Right now there is no incentive for me to upgrade to a battery hogging 5G phone especially with all the health concerns.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs

tech_infinity said:
Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs
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Because overall, my V30+ is better.
V35 is only 64GB internal memory, while my V30+ is 128GB. (The only V35+ was sold in Brazil, and I cannot get it over the internet. Even if I could, they want about $1,200 for it.) Yes, I have microSD card, but I like using internal memory better when possible.
V35 rooting very hard, there's no do-it-yourself. Unless there's something I'm not aware of, you have to ship your phone off to some other country or let someone remote in and hack your phone. I bought it when @runningnak3d was intently working on a root method, but his life focus changed and he no longer does that.
There's a older version of TWRP for V35 -- but no one seems to be using it. No reports it works with Pie. People who do root either can't install TWRP due to no fastboot or just don't seem to be using it. There's no devs over there working on it.
If just wanted to run a non-rooted phone with the same internal memory I had back in 2014 (64GB Moto Quark), yes it's a great phone.
My current phone has 128GB internal memory (plus my microSD card), is rooted. I have all the tweets and mods that I want. Anxious V30 module gives me updated camera features, plus dual speaker mode. With Xposed, I have the status bar icons I want. I have call auto recording, lots of other stuff. I see no reason to change right now.
I'm keeping the V35, of course -- and at some point may be my wife's "new" phone. I was just hoping for something as good as my V30+.
I waited 3 years between my 2014 Moto Quark and the 2017 LG V30, and I can wait another 3 years.

Getting a LG V30 in 2019

Well, what should i say? I'm a ex LG G5 User, tripped over to a Axon 7, Xperia XZ Premium, Pixel 2 XL, Mix 2, Galaxy S9+ and now... Back to LG. I reall like the Design of the V30. The Hardware is still in competition with Devices like the OnePlus 7 Pro (Maybe beyond with Dolby and the Audio), and that for 200€ + 64Gb Card. Here is the Point.
What do You like for/on the V30? Stock ROM (Pie) or do You prefer AOSP? I will Support this Device once it's in My Hands...
Looking Forward to get the best Out of this great Device!

Miustone said:
Well, what should i say? I'm a ex LG G5 User, tripped over to a Axon 7, Xperia XZ Premium, Pixel 2 XL, Mix 2, Galaxy S9+ and now... Back to LG. I reall like the Design of the V30. The Hardware is still in competition with Devices like the OnePlus 7 Pro (Maybe beyond with Dolby and the Audio), and that for 200€ + 64Gb Card. Here is the Point.
What do You like for/on the V30? Stock ROM (Pie) or do You prefer AOSP? I will Support this Device once it's in My Hands...
Looking Forward to get the best Out of this great Device!
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I stay on aosp. It squeeze an avergare of 9+ sot out of a 3300 batter.y . Though v30 can't compare cpu to op7 pro, but gaming is ok for me

I think v30 is a still solid phone in 2k19. Sd835 4 gb ram and 64gb rom with expandable storage. Great cameras. Selfie is garbage but good enough when u use gcam. Still a competitor

Miustone said:
Well, what should i say? I'm a ex LG G5 User, tripped over to a Axon 7, Xperia XZ Premium, Pixel 2 XL, Mix 2, Galaxy S9+ and now... Back to LG. I reall like the Design of the V30. The Hardware is still in competition with Devices like the OnePlus 7 Pro (Maybe beyond with Dolby and the Audio), and that for 200€ + 64Gb Card. Here is the Point.
What do You like for/on the V30? Stock ROM (Pie) or do You prefer AOSP? I will Support this Device once it's in My Hands...
Looking Forward to get the best Out of this great Device!
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I think it's a great phone for the price.
Amazing rear camera.
Qhd amoled display.
I switch between stock and aosp.
Audio features are amazing.
Battery life break.
The only thing is front camera is not on par with newer phones and even with SD835 gaming is still good for me.

Miustone said:
Well, what should i say? I'm a ex LG G5 User, tripped over to a Axon 7, Xperia XZ Premium, Pixel 2 XL, Mix 2, Galaxy S9+ and now... Back to LG. I reall like the Design of the V30. The Hardware is still in competition with Devices like the OnePlus 7 Pro (Maybe beyond with Dolby and the Audio), and that for 200€ + 64Gb Card. Here is the Point.
What do You like for/on the V30? Stock ROM (Pie) or do You prefer AOSP? I will Support this Device once it's in My Hands...
Looking Forward to get the best Out of this great Device!
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Go for the V30+, 128GB. Here in the U.S. you can get mint V30+ for $160.
I stay on stock rooted firmware, with Magisk mods. Pie is still being rolled out to all the variants.
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LG V30/V30+
* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)
* Qi wireless charging
* 3.5mm headset jack
* Quad DAC
* DTS 3D stereo (with root to enable LG libs)
* IP68 dust/water resistance
* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
* superfast fingerprint sensor
* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
* microSD port for additional storage
* bootloader unlock and root
* no notch

Got the V30S+ in 2019 (H930DS variant) and am completely satisfied with it. 256 GB storage and 6GB RAM with the SD835 is really plenty of resource for at least a couple of years.

ChazzMatt said:
Go for the V30+, 128GB. Here in the U.S. you can get mint V30+ for $160.
I stay on stock rooted firmware, with Magisk mods. Pie is still being rolled out to all the variants.
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LG V30/V30+
* 1440P OLED (537 ppi)
* Qi wireless charging
* 3.5mm headset jack
* Quad DAC
* DTS 3D stereo(with root to enable LG libs)
* IP68 dust/water resistance
* rear camera OIS on normal lens - plus 120 degree wide angle lens
* superfast fingerprint sensor
* 64GB (V30) or 128GB (V30+) internal storage
* microSD port for additional storage
* bootloader unlock and root
* no notch
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What magisk mods do you use? I haven't installed any yet and wanted to know which mods are popular.
Thanks.

Getting My Device tomorrow. It's a H930, and i've already reactivated My LG Account for the BL unlock.
Glad to hear that i'm Not alone with My Opinion so far.
Think it will make a lot of fun to Develop for this Baby

Miustone said:
Getting My Device tomorrow.
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Welcome aboard!
Miustone said:
i've already reactivated My LG Account for the BL unlock.
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If you do it that way, you willingly waive warranty to get LG bootloader unlock code.
If you use WTF instructions to unlock bootloader, you don't tell LG you wish to waive warranty. You don't need their permission.
Your choice.
I did it the official way for one of my US998 until WTF became available.
ROOT YOUR V30!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/root-v30-t3927154

Stock rooted (Magisk) Oreo on my H931 converted to a US998, not one issue, 9+ hours of SOT effectively every charge if I want it, even hit 17+ one time (seriously).
Not interested in Pie at all, it'll probably be nothing but problems since Oreo is so mature now and Pie really offers nothing of any consequence or new that matters at all to me.
The V30 is damned near perfect, really. Sure, the stock camera software is a bit yucky, sadly, but aside from that (Gcam has some ports that work great and provide much better image quality) it's pretty much the best smartphone I've ever owned - and I've owned over 300 of 'em over the years (yes that means 300 different ones).
Honestly I still miss the LG G4, best camera assembly ever IMO, even to this day there was just something truly magical about that hardware and software combination that took pics I still can't improve on with even the newest cameras in the latest smartphones. It was just so oddly unique, a seriously awesome happy coincidence that I'll miss for a long time.

br0adband said:
Stock rooted (Magisk) Oreo on my H931 converted to a US998, not one issue, 9+ hours of SOT effectively every charge if I want it, even hit 17+ one time (seriously).
Not interested in Pie at all, it'll probably be nothing but problems since Oreo is so mature now and Pie really offers nothing of any consequence or new that matters at all to me.
The V30 is damned near perfect, really. Sure, the stock camera software is a bit yucky, sadly, but aside from that (Gcam has some ports that work great and provide much better image quality) it's pretty much the best smartphone I've ever owned - and I've owned over 300 of 'em over the years (yes that means 300 different ones).
Honestly I still miss the LG G4, best camera assembly ever IMO, even to this day there was just something truly magical about that hardware and software combination that took pics I still can't improve on with even the newest cameras in the latest smartphones. It was just so oddly unique, a seriously awesome happy coincidence that I'll miss for a long time.
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How the heck do you guys get suck long SOT times. I'm at 4 hours.

s2jpark said:
How the heck do you guys get suck long SOT times. I'm at 4 hours.
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No gaming and mostly wifi, low brightness with dark theme help

s2jpark said:
What magisk mods do you use? I haven't installed any yet and wanted to know which mods are popular.
Thanks.
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s2jpark said:
How the heck do you guys get suck long SOT times. I'm at 4 hours.
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I get around 4-5 hours sot with a lot of gaming.

The V30 is perfect almost everything you'd want . Only gripe is the speaker and maybe camera lacking a bit.

Mrxyzl said:
No gaming and mostly wifi, low brightness with dark theme help
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Got it. I have to tone down the brawl stars

s2jpark said:
How the heck do you guys get suck long SOT times. I'm at 4 hours.
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I don't play games, but I recently did get a Daydream View VR headset from another member here (thanks again!) and was playing with that a few days ago when it arrived. Still haven't installed any games on it and I may never do it, it's more of something to experiment with than anything else.
Dark theme as already mentioned (I'm on Oreo so the LG G8 dark theme on the Play Store works fine, I know the Pie update breaks some aspects but I think there's a fix for it somewhere that I saw mention of). I use dark themes with every app that I can - I keep my brightness at 50% always except for instances where I'm in a really bright environment like outdoors or someplace with excessive fluorescent lighting (at never more than 90% brightness) or watching videos (75%). NEVER use 100% brightness, seriously, it's a waste of power and the OLED display in the V30 doesn't like it, no OLEDs do really, the 90% point (tap the brightness icon on the notification dropdown once or twice and you'll see it) is more than enough.
I don't use Bluetooth save for the Daydream View thing but that was just for a few hours and honestly I kept the damned phone plugged in (thank some higher power for long USB-C cables) when I did it. I only use Google Voice for my "phone calls" and texts so I rarely ever enable the cellular at home and only when I'm out.
I kill apps I'm not using, don't care how efficient the Snapdragon 835 might be, or Oreo, if I'm not using an app it's not gonna sit there so my recent apps list is almost always empty. I don't use social media crap like Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, Instagram, etc, just Discord and Hangouts to keep in touch with people, and a lot of Flipboard and Google News activity but really that's pretty much it.
Biggest tip: TURN DOWN THE DAMNED BRIGHTNESS. Seriously. Run it at 50% or even less as often as you possibly can, disable auto-brightness, and learn to not use more than necessary - the brightness of the display is still the single largest waste of power on smartphones in general and it can be cut in half or more by just lowering it and not having max brightness all the time like I see so many people do.

So i really see a hard decision Here again like on Xperias.
Stock feels good to me and has some nice Features Like the DAC Switch. But AOSP will give extra Battery Life and LG was slow with the Updates. Android Q will be a huge Update that comes These Days and i'm not even sure If the V30 will get it officially one Day. So in View of Support would it make more Sense for Me to Work with AOSP in theory...
Will unlock My Baby today and Play a bit around. Thanks for all the Input Folks! Feels already good to be here in the Forum

Greetings all.
I'm in dilemma so I need your advice. Little background first.
Had the LG g5 h850, Was completely pleased with it, until I smashed it by accident. Went to a sammy s9+, which is a very good all around phone..
However, I'm considering coming back to LG.
The exynos devices have next to 0 gcam support wheres Gcam on the G5 was just perfect. no need to edit the pictures after, the color balance was great, very sharp, plus night mode.
I barely play games, so I doubt the older chipset will matter.
My only concern is about the 4 gigs of ram since i heavily multitask.
I can find the us998 vesrion for around 170e refurb from china but I can't find the 6 gig version, Was it sold only in the US or something?
Anyhow my choices are
LG v30 refurb - 170e
new xiaomi Mi mix 2s - 250
new redmi k20 pro - 300
I'm more inclined to go for the v30, what would you do?

Cruel, can't unlock My Device because My Surface Pro 3 can't handle the Power from the USB3.1 V30 Port in Fastboot. Windows said: "Overpowered USB Connection" once i rebooted into the Bootloader... Any Suggestions? Or do i need to use a modern PC?

How about using a crappy cord?

Should I upgrade?

Hey, I currently have a LG V30 and I’m thinking about upgrading to a OnePlus 7t. I’m on the fence tho cuz I really don’t need a new phone. My V30 is lagging when switching from a website to an app and visa versa. It sometimes takes a number of seconds to open an app if I was doing something else. I know any new phone would be quicker but is the 7t really a lot better than the v30? Some YouTube videos made it seem like they were very similar performance wise. I don’t want to throw $500 out the window unless this would be an absolute step up despite the lags on my V30. Otherwise I was thinking about waiting for the supposed galaxy s10 note lite that I heard would be coming out for about the same price. Any help would be appreciated!

I would look to fix the problem(s) with the v30. Maybe clear system cache or factory restore? Have you considered switching launchers etc?
I don't see it as an "upgrade" more a side step
If you want a new phone maybe wait for the 8th series by oneplus. There is talk about a "lite" version which sounds interesting.

I came from a V30 and I'll say it definitely felt like an upgrade to me. I put the 7T and the V30 side by side and it was night and day with performance. More RAM, higher refresh rate, running Android 10 (which the V30 will probably never get), I'd say it's an upgrade. I didn't feel like I really NEEDED a new phone either when I was looking at the 7T but I'm glad I got it. The only thing I'm missing is wireless charging and an SD card slot. Both of which I have adjusted to.

Re: Should I upgrade/buy new?
I have cleared the cache and cleaned the system, powered off and restarted and deleted apps I wasn't using. I always have this problem with my phones...after a couple of years they start bogging down. I also wonder about just getting a great performing $200-$300 phone and replacing it every other year so I'm not having to deal with the lagging. I know Motorola's budget phones are good and I have had them before but at least when they start lagging they start dying too...
I have an inexpensive ipad and I really like it....never had an iphone...do they lag after a couple of years too?
Any advice would be helpfull.

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I came from a V30 and I'll say it definitely felt like an upgrade to me. I put the 7T and the V30 side by side and it was night and day with performance. More RAM, higher refresh rate, running Android 10 (which the V30 will probably never get), I'd say it's an upgrade. I didn't feel like I really NEEDED a new phone either when I was looking at the 7T but I'm glad I got it. The only thing I'm missing is wireless charging and an SD card slot. Both of which I have adjusted to.
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Thanks! This really helps. I guess I really need to go look at it. Since you had the v30...one feature I LOVE about LG is the Quick Note capture ...I think I would really miss that...does the OnePlus have something similar?

Deetles98 said:
Thanks! This really helps. I guess I really need to go look at it. Since you had the v30...one feature I LOVE about LG is the Quick Note capture ...I think I would really miss that...does the OnePlus have something similar?
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You're talking about the double tap volume up to take a note right? Sadly, no. Not exactly in that way anyway. The 7T does have a feature where you can put your thumb on the in screen fingerprint sensor to unlock and hold it and you have a little customizable "wheel" of sorts of apps and shortcuts. One of which can be a shortcut to take a note. It taps in to all the shortcuts of other apps too so you can actually use Google Keep if you want. It doesn't have the other Capture+ features either though which I do miss. Being able to screenshot only a section of the screen (which I did find an app for) or gif capture. It does have extended screenshot though if you need that.

Not sure if there is a big enough performance difference
Not sure if there is a big enough performance difference? Also, can I alternate my SIM card between the V30 and OnePlus 7t? I have work apps on the v30 I need to be able to use....

as a previous owner of V30:
(+) regarding speed, yes 1+ will be far faster and it is far faster even compared to most recent flagships if not all
(+) back fingerprint reader was the only flaw of v30, 1+ fingerprint is better than most recent flagships if not all and better placed
(-) comfort is gone, 1+ is too heavy and thicker (brick)
(-) the popular features are gone: SD, jack, wireless charging, radio and notification light
(-) no more MIL-STD-810G, IP68 certificates, QC certificate, Dolby Vision certificate, B&O certificate feat. audiofile DAC -- 1+ #NeverSettle certificate payments to ramp up their margins
(+-) battery will be the same i guess
1+ is not yet the same league as V30, for example only now they implemented USB3, something the old LG had centuries ago. Just like this LG model had HDR when people didn't even know what it is. Incredible for year 2017. Keep your gem and wait for 1+ 9T Lite without notch and lightweight I sold my used V30 for higher price than market price, that's how people appreciate its coolness. And i had lot of flagships after, none of them are better.

Just realised, OnePlus is just meh...

I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.

There is no other phone that compares. Price for what specs you get. Not sure why people complain about getting updates every month. We get it at least bi-monthly.

From what I see, the Pixel 4XL and Galaxy S10 Plus are both around $900 compared to the OnePlus at $600. That's already a big difference right there. I don't know about Sonys devices. I don't think they are all that popular in the U.S. My device is on the February security patch. Along with the apparent statement that they are doing bi-monthly updates, the coronavirus has also probably slowed things down a bit. I came from an LG V30 and if you want to talk about slow updates, look no further than LG. Is the phone the best device available? No. But overall, I think this is the best option in this price range. And I have nothing to complain about.

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ISamsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.

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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.

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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.

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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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I agree with you, I prefer the OnePlus fluid OS over Samsung and any other phone out there and not too mention here in the US OnePlus is much cheaper, and people forget that this Corona virus played a huge part with OnePlus being delayed on their updates, before all of this I could of sworn they was on point with their updates that I could remember unless I'm mistaken. Samsung makes great phone but their software is meh, same with other phone manufacturer, if it ain't stock Android I don't want it, I'm already too spoiled with it.

I just got a T-Mobile OP7T that was $499. It is currently on February security patch. I will be switching to Beta once I get the unlock bin. Beta 2 in on March security patch.
To me every phone I look at is a comprise somewhere. I care about the software experience the most so I go for oneplus. Im not a fan for samsung UI. This is the best camera Ive had on a smart phone but im coming from Moto X4 and OP6T. The camera is sufficient for my personal needs. You do you. I enjoy my OP7T but get the phone that works best for you.

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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.

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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Uhh someone got offended... I've been flashing and repairing phones for 10 years and nowadays, there's no real advantages to flashing custom ROMs, they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times), nowadays keeping the bootloader locked is just fine, GCAMs work great on most phones now, customisation is also possible without rooting, so what do you need custom ROMs nowadays? If Price vs Performace and dev friendly is what you want, Xiaomi phones are way cheaper, yes you have to wait a while to get the bootloader unlocked, but once that time has passed, you normally have great Dev support, with great Pixel Experience ROMs.
iOS sure I use them sometimes, but I get bored of them quickly and I have enough experience with multiple brands to get to this conclusion, I got the 7t to see what the fuss was all about, I knew what I was going to get into in terms of features and that is why I was expecting more. In the used marked this brand is not worth it, that's all I'm saying, I always buy used, never going to pay for a new phone if used they are so much cheaper and look like new, if I was looking into a new OP7T and a new S10+ I get it, but in the used marked, there's so better alternatives.

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they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times)
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This.... Obviously you dont know what you are doing in order to fix those "functionality". Lots of stuff you can do to fix those. You might be one of those thinking that oh ill buy the 7t cause they said she said he said. and then vents out its not perfect. lmao.

What it all boils down to is personal preference. Personally I would buy a used OP over any other used phone, especially Samsung. Do they make excellent devices, yes, without doubt. But their OneUI or whatever the OS skin they are using is a huge drawback IMO. A dedicated button for a personal assistant that the average user can't remap... it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't like when something that should be an option is forced upon me like that. My wife loves Samsung phones. She has the s10 but hates the bixby button. I had the 6t but broke the screen. So I was using my wife's previous Note 8 phone for a month or two until the 7t was released. I was able to remap the bixby button with a pc and adb. My wife would never have been able to figure that out and I'm assuming most Samsung users don't have any idea what remapping hardware buttons even means. The only good phone I remember LG releasing was the Nexus 5.... again personal opinion. For me cameras aren't a big deal... I can honestly tell you that if I take pictures of my kids opening presents on either my 7t or my wife's s10 and then post them to social media not 1 person will say "OMG what kind of phone took those ****ty/awsome photos!" Nobody will be able to tell or care enough to scrutinize each and every picture. I was not huge into photography before smart phones and I still am not. I take pictures during certain events in my life.. Not for photo competitions. IP rating.. OP has addressed this many times. The only reason they have not gotten certified is bc the cost would trickle down to the consumer. Their phones have been waterproof for a couple generations now... just w/o the sticker that says so.. kinda like a marriage license. If you get married, but lose the piece of paper that proves it, does that mean I am no longer married? I'm sure my wife would strongly disagree. The other drawback I hear ppl complain about is wireless charging. I personal don't care.. I charge my phone @ night or in the car... granted I did buy the warp car charger and it's awesome... but other then that I don't care... It takes maybe 2 seconds to plug in my phone rather then just set it down... have we really got that lazy? I bought my wife a wireless charging pad for her Samsung phones... and she doesn't use it.. ever. Don't ask me why.. I've asked... but she doesn't know why. For me personally it's all about the user experience or the software. I don't flash custom roms anymore.. but alot of ppl do. OnePlus is very Dev friendly. I do however root my phone with Magisk. If I purchase a phone, any, phone that is my property. If I want to get into the system files and **** everything up that is my choice. It is becoming damn near impossible to have that choice on other brands especially Samsung. Its even getting harder on OP devices... but nothing like Samsung. Not being able to root a phone that I paid for... that is my property.. Is a complete deal breaker for me. It is also why I will never buy any phone that is Verizon branded. So I guess I will end where I started.. It all boils down to personal preference. I didn't realize this was so long lol... sorry

Yeah, i agree, but most people don't care root stuff. They just want a ready to use phone.
I am feeling a bit fed up with so many google apps on the phone....

hugoprh said:
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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You're a privileged guy in a privileged country.
From where I am, all the other phones you mentioned are at around twice the price of the OnePlus 7T, brand new.
The only other value for buck phones we have here are Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, and Realme.

this brand is expensive because you're being robbed of {long list of features} and their software developments costs are near zero. what's next. remove display? stop creating 1+ wallpapers per model to save few more bucks? hard to believe an alternative "flagship" brand does opposite of what such companies normally did - remove SD card, jack, Qi, Qc, IP etc. Exactly opposite to #NeverSettle slogan.
personally i'm going to suffer with 7T model for couple of months til Xperia 1.2 comes. That's how i imagine a flagship: no bs notch, bezels to finally hold your phone better, SD, jack, Qi, IP, 21:9 screen.. all perfect. 100% flagship.
however there are superlatives about OnePlus brand:
* battery - best of the market
* speed - best of the market
* community support or rootabilty - best of the market
some tech advances were great : they got fast refresh screens sooner, they got under display fingerprint sooner (samsung's still doesn't work well while generations 6T -> 7 -> 7T -> 8 already exist) and "invisible features" are still premium (wifi speeds, call clarity, speakers performance etc).
camera is great. so what's missing?
all i hate is iphone style removing of features and lowcost brand style of not paying for licences. i hate having 10 Qc3 chargers and not being able to charge the phone fast in any location because they don't want to pay the licence. i hate having Qi charger next to bed and not able to comfortably place the phone on it, and pick it up multiple times without struggle of using cable.
so what's the direction of the brand then?
90hz/120hz is already boring and no new innovation in sight.
well.. they have to go back to the roots.
model 8 will bring "back" wireless charging and IP68.
and if no more innovation in next iteration, they will have to bring SD card and jack.