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[Q] Camera optimal settings

Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.

theprince1991 said:
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.

charlatan01 said:
I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.
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I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.

theprince1991 said:
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...

blue_quartz said:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)

theprince1991 said:
I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.
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I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)

jonmorris said:
I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)
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That is insane quality . No noise at all. Very detailed. Do you put HDR mode on? What is your focus mode? And what about metering?
I'll try the landscape SCN mode... I have found some pictures I have taken are blurry at the edges but your photo's don't really have that.
trewelu said:
Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)
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I thought the higher the ISO the more it lights up the scene but the higher the noise as well? I thought the best thing to do was to keep ISO low as possible.
blue_quartz said:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Ok cool, I'm not really into post-processing, I just want to be able to point and shoot quickly and get decent picture quality. One thing that kind of annoys me about this phone is that the flash is very aggressive in manual mode (I set it to auto) and quite a lot of times I have to set it to off manually.
Manual mode is overwhelming enough for me! lol what other settings could there be to tweak?
Thanks for the advice guys, and that link is amazing btw!

Anyone knows how to get the Stock G4 Camera app?

Hello!
Yesterday I flashed CyanogenMod on my G4 H815 and just before the phone rebooted, I realized that I won't have the mega-awesome Camera app from LG. So does anyone know if there is any apk or any way to get it? To mention, I didn't backup my device because... because.
Thank you!

Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.

nitrous² said:
Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.
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It's not necessary the image quality, but the flexibility you have with that app (manual focus, iso, exposure time, etc.). I hope there is a way to use that app. While I was searching for it I found that there is the G4 Camera app ported for G3, so I am thinking that there could be the original app somewhere..
Thanks!

It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings. The quality otherwise is similar

xdag4 said:
It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings.
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there are 3rd party apps that should work for manual setting but your max shutter won't exceed 0.7s. This is the already the case with the stock firmware and 3rd party camera apps.
There is something called night shot which the G4 resorts to very often especially with the front camera. that will be gone. Selfies ain't going to be as good. it's also used for the rear in lower light. Though a longer exposure will produce better images. night shot is a convenience when you don't want to set up on a tripod.
The quality otherwise is similar
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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
How good is the Cm camera in auto ? that's one of the strengths of the stock G4 camera.
Does the Cm camera make use of the colour sensor at all.

Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots

One Twelve said:
How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer). And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.

One Twelve said:
I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer).
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Can you post links to examples of photos taken with cm camera ?
saw a few in the g4 community but the max resolution was just 2.4MP, need to be full resolution.
The low light shots on auto were crap. The G4 is a low light shooter in stock auto.
And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.
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Such are the requirements for a clinching argument. otherwise its based on faith.
if people want to go down this route they need to know what they will be losing.
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ObiDanKenobi said:
Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots
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heh, anything from 0.5s UP TO 30s isn't possible.
I would be very sceptical about replacing stock with cm camera until i see plenty of examples with cm.
Also bear in mind that vendors keep a very tight lock on their cameras and don't share much with 3rd parties. yeah you can use a 3rd party app in some circumstances but you can never replace the stock camera in all situations. This stock cmaera that can challenge the likes of smasung and is touted as a major selling point of the G4. Yeah, i say its pretty special.
Which is a requirement to any one considering the CM path.
What i'm reading here is if you want CM then you don't care too much about the camera to begin with. That would not surprise me as people that are good with roms don't tend to be very good with camera and vice versa. it's rare to find both those skill sets in people.

Current state of OP3 camera

I've read a lot about the OOS camera and the various cameras in non OOS ROMs (CM, Aosp, etc). I was wondering if we have gotten to a point where they perform similarly. I've heard mixed opinions.
Also why does OnePlus not release the camera source? They eventually released dash charging source, so I'm curious as to why they wouldn't do the same for the camera?

From what i've experienced, almost all well-lit shots (Both outdoor and indoor) perform almost as well on non-OOS ROMs as they do on OOS. For the discerning eye, OOS shots are still more crisp, but there is enough of a parity there that i don't think most people would notice. Any shot that isn't well-lit, OOS has non-OOS beat. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a wide margin. In poor lighting, the non-OOS ROMs have gotten better, but it's still pretty clear that OOS is the better performer. Almost all of the issues with these shots come down to the noise cancellation.
When it comes to video, it's a mixed bag. On OOS 3.5.3 community build, the 1080P 60fps mode is amazingly fluid, and for the most part fantastic. The 4k mode is decent from what i can tell, although i don't really use it that much. The slow motion mode is great. On non-OOS ROMs, it depends on the ROM really. SultanXDA's ROM with his custom HAL probably has the best performance as far as video goes. The built-in camera app does a decent job at 1080p video and the 4k seems OK, but again, i don't use that mode very often. Video performance in other camera apps seems decent. On OOS 3.2.6, i had some issues with video performance though, so it's not all roses there if that's the version you're running.
Carl Pei has made it clear on Twitter and on a Reddit AMA that OnePlus will never release a fully open source camera stack. I suspect that this probably has to do with proprietary noise suppression algorithms and some other proprietary optimizations that OnePlus has engineered. It needs to be mentioned that the camera hardware is only one part of the equation when it comes to camera performance. There are a number of software components that go into a full camera experience. There really needs to be both to get full utilization out of a piece of camera hardware. As far as i've heard, OnePlus is "looking at ways" to bring the full OOS camera experience to non-OOS ROMs, but nobody really knows what that entails as of yet.

tesherx said:
From what i've experienced, almost all well-lit shots (Both outdoor and indoor) perform almost as well on non-OOS ROMs as they do on OOS. For the discerning eye, OOS shots are still more crisp, but there is enough of a parity there that i don't think most people would notice. Any shot that isn't well-lit, OOS has non-OOS beat. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a wide margin. In poor lighting, the non-OOS ROMs have gotten better, but it's still pretty clear that OOS is the better performer. Almost all of the issues with these shots come down to the noise cancellation.
When it comes to video, it's a mixed bag. On OOS 3.5.3 community build, the 1080P 60fps mode is amazingly fluid, and for the most part fantastic. The 4k mode is decent from what i can tell, although i don't really use it that much. The slow motion mode is great. On non-OOS ROMs, it depends on the ROM really. SultanXDA's ROM with his custom HAL probably has the best performance as far as video goes. The built-in camera app does a decent job at 1080p video and the 4k seems OK, but again, i don't use that mode very often. Video performance in other camera apps seems decent. On OOS 3.2.6, i had some issues with video performance though, so it's not all roses there if that's the version you're running.
Carl Pei has made it clear on Twitter and on a Reddit AMA that OnePlus will never release a fully open source camera stack. I suspect that this probably has to do with proprietary noise suppression algorithms and some other proprietary optimizations that OnePlus has engineered. It needs to be mentioned that the camera hardware is only one part of the equation when it comes to camera performance. There are a number of software components that go into a full camera experience. There really needs to be both to get full utilization out of a piece of camera hardware. As far as i've heard, OnePlus is "looking at ways" to bring the full OOS camera experience to non-OOS ROMs, but nobody really knows what that entails as of yet.
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Thanks for the excellent explanation!

Also worth considering that the camera isn't manufactured by one plus, can't remember what off hand who's sensor they're using, so they would need manufacturers permission to release driver source.

ghostofcain said:
Also worth considering that the camera isn't manufactured by one plus, can't remember what off hand who's sensor they're using, so they would need manufacturers permission to release driver source.
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Rear camera sensor is SONY IMX298 Exmor RS
Front camera sensor is SONY IMX179
On topic: i have always used Nexus and loved changing ROMs and trying new roms. With oneplus 2 i could do it, because of a good camera port, but in this phone... OOS is a must if you want to take decent pictures
Oos 3.5.2 camera is insanely good and super fast. Really its faster than iphone 6s plus camera with oos
Luckily we have xposed framework, so we can customize our op3 using oos roms, but yeah... It kinda sucks we have to use oos just because of camera. It doesnt matter app you use in custom roms, it will lack libs, drivers etc...
Same as FPS. OOS is insanely fast but with any custom ROM (even with released sources) its slower (still fast but i notice that difference)
Edit: btw oos is a pretty nice ROM.
Lacks customization? Yes, but xposed framework will do that

compared to S7 or HTC 10 the OnePlus3 camera sux

Only For camera I can't use any Custom rom
Sadly comment here.. Cz i tasted all rom here and There iso no good camera custom rom.. all custom camera sucks ?..
Now i am using 3.2.4 cz 3.2.6 camera also missing focus on right place.. and I love to capture regular macro shot via my mobile...
But i buy it also tested custom rom.. but i can'T!! only for bad camera ??

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Lenovo ZUK Z2 (Plus)'s camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

The phone is simply awesome except the camera if we get camera 2 api enabled it will be unbeatable....
Hope we get it in oreo upgrade..

Jagan17 said:
Hope we get it in oreo upgrade..
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There is no hope or chance from Lenovo to get any official Oreo ROM. This is confirmed by Lenovo via their update matrix page.
In a sense that is a good thing, since the biggest con / down side of this phone is the ZUI ROM. I have used many low-end hardware before with poor ROM buy nothing compares to ZUI.
Hope more and more developers buy this handset. Out standing hardware at 1/3rd of price of nearest competition. And they do give us some good Oreo based ROMs

The camera is not that great. I have used mi4 before and this camera make me feel disappointed. But it's not a rubbish camera. Its takes an effort to get good pictures. Camera 2 api + gmod5 camera is giving some great results on aex 5 rom. But it probably is because of the algorithms than the camera

Everyone, please rate bad if you know a bit of photography. Try using a manual camera app and set ISO and shutter speed manually and then report. No stock OEM focuses on camera. Try manual and then report

Please suggest few camera app you feel I should try with my Z2 plus

Anyone tell with Oreo and GCmod

GopalKaul said:
Anyone tell with Oreo and GCmod
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Tried Rom Jaguar_OREO_8.1_Z2_plus_OFFICIAL_FEB19 with GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V6. It gives awesome clarity when shot in HDR mode.

devwrs said:
Tried Rom Jaguar_OREO_8.1_Z2_plus_OFFICIAL_FEB19 with GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V6. It gives awesome clarity when shot in HDR mode.
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Link pls

GopalKaul said:
Link pls
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There you go
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-zuk-z2/development/jaguar-oreo-8-1-official-t3734597
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75683494&postcount=3156

Hardware wise camera is fine. But on software side , Stock zui camera app is very poor. A lot of noise and very less detail even in broad daylight photos. Dont expect anything from its low light shots. But with google camera app, it can capture very high quality photos with high level of detail even in low light shots.
So if you shoot a lot of photos and know how to unlock bootloader and do android stuff, you can go for it very well. Else this phone is not for you!

Naveenjain said:
Hardware wise camera is fine. But on software side , Stock zui camera app is very poor. A lot of noise and very less detail even in broad daylight photos. Dont expect anything from its low light shots. But with google camera app, it can capture very high quality photos with high level of detail even in low light shots.
So if you shoot a lot of photos and know how to unlock bootloader and do android stuff, you can go for it very well. Else this phone is not for you!
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Lol. Try shooting at 32 sec exposure! Awesome low light! More than my eye could see

GopalKaul said:
Lol. Try shooting at 32 sec exposure! Awesome low light! More than my eye could see
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lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!

Naveenjain said:
lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!
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On a custom ROM I meant

GopalKaul said:
On a custom ROM I meant
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Read my post again!

Naveenjain said:
lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!
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Why cannt you do it on a custom ROM?

GopalKaul said:
Why cannt you do it on a custom ROM?
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How can i use stock zuk camera on a custom rom?

Naveenjain said:
How can i use stock zuk camera on a custom rom?
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Use a manual app like footej

GopalKaul said:
Use a manual app like footej
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Let me admit. I think i did not get anything what you tried to say till now. My bad!

Naveenjain said:
Let me admit. I think i did not get anything what you tried to say till now. My bad!
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Apps like footej allow you to set exposure manually... So you can use 32 sec shot in it

Question how is the camera quality ?

does Asus rog 6 pro compete with the s22 ultra or iphone 13 pro max ?

Nowhere near.
It's definitely a league below, particularly in low light & video quality. A solid B- compared to the A-listers.
It's okay to good, for general social media requirements/ daytime photography.

Fytdyh said:
does Asus rog 6 pro compete with the s22 ultra or iphone 13 pro max ?
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I looked a lot of review, the right hardware is there, the main problem is the camera software i will try with gcam apk and/or with some other camera application from Google store. Cameras software is the only weak point of this phone

Nope. You don't buy ROG devices if camera quality is a big thing for you. It does the job - that's it.

Try this gcam from BSG and my config file. Tell me what you think. Cheers.

as mentioned by some, the hardware is there but software is bad, even with gcam the results are poor due to bad API implementation.

6D ultimate here - inconsistent performance. sometimes it can be ok, sometimes it's crap.
imprecise blurring for portraits
lacks detail
inconsistent exposure
generally favours day light, and poor with low light

yellowchilli said:
6D ultimate here - inconsistent performance. sometimes it can be ok, sometimes it's crap.
imprecise blurring for portraits
lacks detail
inconsistent exposure
generally favours day light, and poor with low light
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Snapdragon even worse. Suffers from the exact same issues, however its just worse. It's generally accepted that the camera software is beta at best.

I'd love to see a full proper gcam port done for this phone

This whole phone is obsolete at its price. Everyone knew SD8 Gen 2 is coming shortly after the ROG 6, now it is here and every new phone out there will now smash this gaming phone AND offer a twice as good camera performance at a lower price.

Latoc said:
Try this gcam from BSG and my config file. Tell me what you think. Cheers.
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Thanks a lot for sharing these files.
Does the GCam package automatically replace the standard camera app?
Do you like the improvements?
As others, I believe the hardware itself should be just fine (not sure about the lenses, though) but the software is letting the phone down regarding IQ out of the box.

TomKay said:
Thanks a lot for sharing these files.
Does the GCam package automatically replace the standard camera app?
Do you like the improvements?
As others, I believe the hardware itself should be just fine (not sure about the lenses, though) but the software is letting the phone down regarding IQ out of the box.
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Hi, it does not replace the stock app, it is just another app like any other app. And yes, the improvements are there, for sure. Try it !

Any update app or config?

Latoc said:
Hi, it does not replace the stock app, it is just another app like any other app. And yes, the improvements are there, for sure. Try it !
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Thanks, will do!