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I'm glad to finaly see some dev support.... but...

There seem to be lots of ROM options coming to fruition, but they all seem to be half baked and development is slow. Why not have the Dev's team up and make one awesome ROM? It is getting hard to choose between things like a working GPS or a working camera(for example only).

sp00nix said:
There seem to be lots of ROM options coming to fruition, but they all seem to be half baked and development is slow. Why not have the Dev's team up and make one awesome ROM? It is getting hard to choose between things like a working GPS or a working camera(for example only).
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Well first of all what do you term as slow ? Samsung gave us ICS in 8 months with major bugs, withdrew it and then released it again after 2 months. Whereas the devs here had already resolved those bugs.
Again CM10 is a tough one as this is the only device with CM10. The target was end of the year but look at it we already have CM10.1 as well. So the devs here are faster than the team at Samsung who get paid for it..
As the base is the same drivers and source written for CM10, all the ROMs based on it will have the same bugs.
GPS and camera are no more an issue. I've been using the camera on my CAMP rom and no issues. Also past 2 days I've driven for 600 kms and no issues with GPS and everytime it locks under 30 secs and works very well.
For me the only major bugs left are
1. Keyboard backlight - known solution
2. Sym key - known solution
Rothorick is working on the above two and will surely come up with a fix soon. The term half baked is not something you can use for ROMs being used as daily drivers!!!
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Just be glad we get anything at all. We only have one main dev and only a few others helping the process. These roms WILL get finnished but only in due time. Just take some time to relax and be patient. I have faith in dman and all his hard work is greatly appreciated here. Its the holidays let dman have his time to himself.
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sp00nix said:
There seem to be lots of ROM options coming to fruition, but they all seem to be half baked and development is slow. Why not have the Dev's team up and make one awesome ROM? It is getting hard to choose between things like a working GPS or a working camera(for example only).
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Errrr..... current CM10.1 has everything but bluetooth and the keyboard backlight. And dman is cracking the whip on bluetooth right now.
Also, the way you word the question betrays a misunderstanding in the process. Most of the ROM developers don't have the knowledge and experience to troubleshoot hardware compatibility problems. We have dman, that's about it. The rest of us, at best, only know enough to gesture furtively in the correct direction or unearth an important path or config file. So, fixes are implemented by dman and rolled out in his sources and ROMs, and his sources are then used by other people to build their ROMs.
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ninthsense said:
For me the only major bugs left are
1. Keyboard backlight - known solution
2. Sym key - known solution
Rothorick is working on the above two and will surely come up with a fix soon. The term half baked is not something you can use for ROMs being used as daily drivers!!!
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You give me way too much credit. I only figured out half of the keyboard backlight problem -- the other half necessarily must come from dman as I don't know where to begin on getting the Android core to poke the sysfs.
As for the keyboard, we have a kludge for the Sym key. I'm working on a proper solution, as well as a fix for the voice search and dotcom keys, but in both cases, because we need changes in core classes, it's more a matter of open-source politics than technical troubleshooting.

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You give me way too much credit. I only figured out half of the keyboard backlight problem -- the other half necessarily must come from dman as I don't know where to begin on getting the Android core to poke the sysfs.
As for the keyboard, we have a kludge for the Sym key. I'm working on a proper solution, as well as a fix for the voice search and dotcom keys, but in both cases, because we need changes in core classes, it's more a matter of open-source politics than technical troubleshooting.
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Yup, the special hardware keys are a issue in CM on every slider phone. Hope you get a proper solution to this, so we don't have to fool around with framework-res and keyboard files

ninthsense said:
Yup, the special hardware keys are a issue in CM on every slider phone. Hope you get a proper solution to this, so we don't have to fool around with framework-res and keyboard files
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It literally comes down to submitting patches to CyanogenMod and AOSP and hoping they see the need. We could just make builds with the patch, but we can't call them CyanogenMod or AOSP then.
Could we compile a list of devices that need extra keycodes? It'd definitely bolster our case to say "these 42 phones are directly affected by the issue solved by this patch", plus I can be more thorough.

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It literally comes down to submitting patches to CyanogenMod and AOSP and hoping they see the need. We could just make builds with the patch, but we can't call them CyanogenMod or AOSP then.
Could we compile a list of devices that need extra keycodes? It'd definitely bolster our case to say "these 42 phones are directly affected by the issue solved by this patch", plus I can be more thorough.
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Can you elaborate on the the code change you are planning to submit. We can still have a patch on top of CM or AOSP, just like we have so many proprietary files from samsung.
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ninthsense said:
Can you elaborate on the the code change you are planning to submit. We can still have a patch on top of CM or AOSP, just like we have so many proprietary files from samsung.
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We need to change certain core classes like KeyEvent and a few others (there's a list in the comments in KeyEvent.java) as well as a few other places to connect the keycodes to their correct behavior. And it needs to be done in a way that works globally for all phones, not just the Glide. Which is, more than anything, a matter of convincing devs bigger than any of us that we know what we're doing, we didn't break anything, and it's a necessary change.

Which of this two roms is better?

Jedi Master 16 or Tweaked 2.4? Why?
Thanks

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I had to delete the words I want to tell you like 3 times...
What are you talking about? How can you be so disrespectful?
I Have the tweaked 2.1 version now and I'm not satisfied, I want to know before leaving it hearing from others experiences...

Arturofm2 said:
I had to delete the words I want to tell you like 3 times...
What are you talking about? How can you be so disrespectful?
I Have the tweaked 2.1 version now and I'm not satisfied, I want to know before leaving it hearing from others experiences...
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Just flash it and find out. Someone may sing praises about one rom but your experience may be different. Then there is personal taste. Something only you can attest to. Just give it a whirl. I was never a huge fan of jedi. Great work, just not for me. You might feel different though.
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No disrespect to the OP - but threads like these tend to be dangerous and often times lead to work for the moderators when things get out of hand. This doesn't always happen, but if I were a betting man and knew nothing more than the first post my money would be on it being trouble.
The reasons for this are what EVO-lution of Man stated - especially between those two it's a matter of personal taste (in other words both are fully functioning daily-driver type material in terms of the basic phone functionality and what not). When people start stating opinions, those opinions can be challenged, then a felt need for defending those opinions takes over and things get messy - usually anyway. It's all about what works best for you, and the only way to really know is to try and see.
That being said - if there is something in particular you are unsatisfied with in the current setup another option would be contacting those responsible for it (hi ) and see if anything can be done.

dwitherell said:
No disrespect to the OP - but threads like these tend to be dangerous and often times lead to work for the moderators when things get out of hand. This doesn't always happen, but if I were a betting man and knew nothing more than the first post my money would be on it being trouble.
The reasons for this are what EVO-lution of Man stated - especially between those two it's a matter of personal taste (in other words both are fully functioning daily-driver type material in terms of the basic phone functionality and what not). When people start stating opinions, those opinions can be challenged, then a felt need for defending those opinions takes over and things get messy - usually anyway. It's all about what works best for you, and the only way to really know is to try and see.
That being said - if there is something in particular you are unsatisfied with in the current setup another option would be contacting those responsible for it (hi ) and see if anything can be done.
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I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.

Arturofm2 said:
I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.
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No worries. You very well might be right on the feature bit - Jedi definitely has features included that are not in tweaked (his kernel work, xposed framework, etc.), but there are likely a few the other way as well - as it should be as it would be a bit redundant if they were too similar That's not to say some of the features are exclusive to one or the other (using the above examples, ptmr posts his kernel separately and xposed is also something that can be installed separately) - just prepackaged.
I'm not sure whether either of these roms lack much in personalization, but I'll take the hit on the installer bit. I still like the idea, but it's a little different and that's not for everyone. That being said I redid much of the OP for 2.4 in order to address this, so hopefully the install process is a bit simpler looking now. And thanks to Alexea - there are a few more theme options around. I am in no way a themer, so one weakness on the tweaked side is definitely my reliance on others to take up the task and share their work. This does not seem to be a weakness on the Jedi side.
I take it you installed the aosp camera? That's the only way I could see you having two at least - if you want to get rid of the aosp one you can use the modificatinator. If you want to get rid of the samsung one you'll want to delete/freeze SamsungCamera.apk in /system/app.
Feel free to PM me if you have any other thoughts/questions/etc. - and I still think you should at least try Jedi. Personally I rather enjoy flashing things to try them out and see what they are like - and you very well may like it enough to stick with it. Of those who run stock modified roms, I think most use Jedi so it's definitely worth a look.

Arturofm2 said:
I didn't mean unsatisfied, I wrote it because I was mad with that guy at the beginning, anyways.. It is not that, what I was trying to say is that I see that jedi has more features, more new things. At least that's my impression, I might be wrong, any ways... I'm installing the tweaked 2.4 version now because it is the one I've always used.
I want to format my phone and now I have to figure out how to install it with the new system, it would be easier with a simple installer (I'm suggesting ).
By the way, I have an extra camera, how can I delete the new one? I'm good with the old one . (I'm saying the app u use to take pics)
Oh, I forgot, I'm not demanding, this is free! and it's your work, and I'm great full to you for the time invested thanks
All right end of the post, it was a stupid idea.
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A little to. Go to settings, tsmparts. Any feature you could possibly imagine is there. Tweaked is close to AOKP with all the options
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Well I tried tweaked 2.4 for a day and it was OK but I did not really get into it. Was going away on trip and needed something solid that I have used before. So I loaded Jedi master 16 and had so many issue with memory swap. Lost all. Oh well. Just look at last few pages of each and u can see what if any issues are in the rom. Now I gonna try tweaked but need to get hold of chef as to changing my kernel cause it did not do deep sleep at all. Maybe I missed something but need to try a diff kernel.

BACARDILIMON said:
Well I tried tweaked 2.4 for a day and it was OK but I did not really get into it. Was going away on trip and needed something solid that I have used before. So I loaded Jedi master 16 and had so many issue with memory swap. Lost all. Oh well. Just look at last few pages of each and u can see what if any issues are in the rom. Now I gonna try tweaked but need to get hold of chef as to changing my kernel cause it did not do deep sleep at all. Maybe I missed something but need to try a diff kernel.
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Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.

dwitherell said:
Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.
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+1 Im very happy with stock kernel running 2.4 Ive always seem to have very minor issues with the "sexy" choice....

I've been running the jedi roms since I've got my note and just switched to tweaked in the last few days. I really like them both a lot but I'm definitely liking tweaked a little more. The whole star wars thing was getting a little old for my taste but it was still a great rom. It's all gonna come down to personal preferences and that's about all there is to it.
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Tweaked is 100x better I tried all the TW roms and Tweaked and the S4 Themed one are the best
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dwitherell said:
Not sure if we ever wanted to stay on topic, but since we are diverting...
Sorry to hear tweaked didn't strike your fancy - what kernel did you pick? Safest bet is go with stock - not the sexy choice I know but it won't do you wrong in terms of stability.
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I believe I did go with stock. I went from a full charge to 20% in about 10 hrs. Just need more battery life.

BACARDILIMON said:
I believe I did go with stock. I went from a full charge to 20% in about 10 hrs. Just need more battery life.
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Oh wow - well the more telling stat on that one would be the screen on time. That's a pretty harsh drop if you weren't using your phone, but if the screen was on for half that time then it's much less surprising. Assuming it was off more than on, there have been a few google apps (mostly maps I think) that have been reported to cause some wake lock issues which could be at the root of it - this would be much more the case if the phone was not deep sleeping (except if you enabled the zerowakelag bit).

dwitherell said:
Oh wow - well the more telling stat on that one would be the screen on time. That's a pretty harsh drop if you weren't using your phone, but if the screen was on for half that time then it's much less surprising. Assuming it was off more than on, there have been a few google apps (mostly maps I think) that have been reported to cause some wake lock issues which could be at the root of it - this would be much more the case if the phone was not deep sleeping (except if you enabled the zerowakelag bit).
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I gonna try it again with stock kernel and give it a few days and see from that point.

Tweaked is killing it for me

dwitherell never mind bro... I installed the last version of Tweaked and it's running perfect, oh now that I remember, there is something I'd like you to try to fix if you can. When you hack the volume and you make a call, the other person can hear his voice twice, like an echo. And the volume hack is very important.
Respect to the installer, I did the standard when it first came out on 2.1 I think, and I didn't like it that way (but it was not hard at all... my sister could do it and she has 14), then for the 2.4 I used the simple version of the installer and I liked it. So, forget what I said about the installer. Besides... you can modify everything later.
Oh... this was my question at the beginning, if I delete the AOSP camera, I will delete the gallery as well, and I really like the app for the gallery (I don't use the stock one). Is there any way I can delete only the camera?
So... 2 things:
Camera and volume hack
That's it, and they are not even issues, they work great. Thanks for everything :good:

Arturofm2 said:
dwitherell never mind bro... I installed the last version of Tweaked and it's running perfect, oh now that I remember, there is something I'd like you to try to fix if you can. When you hack the volume and you make a call, the other person can hear his voice twice, like an echo. And the volume hack is very important.
Respect to the installer, I did the standard when it first came out on 2.1 I think, and I didn't like it that way (but it was not hard at all... my sister could do it and she has 14), then for the 2.4 I used the simple version of the installer and I liked it. So, forget what I said about the installer. Besides... you can modify everything later.
Oh... this was my question at the beginning, if I delete the AOSP camera, I will delete the gallery as well, and I really like the app for the gallery (I don't use the stock one). Is there any way I can delete only the camera?
So... 2 things:
Camera and volume hack
That's it, and they are not even issues, they work great. Thanks for everything :good:
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No worries
I've heard the echo bit regarding the volume hack. I'll have to add that to the list of things to revisit to see if I can chase down what edit in particular is causing the issue. Yay trial and error
Unfortunately w/ the aosp camera/gallery - they are both contained within one single apk. Unless there is a sort of fanciness out there I am not aware of (a real possibility granted) I don't think you can have one without the other. I'm not sure if they come up as separate entities in something like titanium backup - but if they do perhaps you could freeze the camera part and see what happens w/ the gallery end? Just a thought

dwitherell said:
No worries
I've heard the echo bit regarding the volume hack. I'll have to add that to the list of things to revisit to see if I can chase down what edit in particular is causing the issue. Yay trial and error
Unfortunately w/ the aosp camera/gallery - they are both contained within one single apk. Unless there is a sort of fanciness out there I am not aware of (a real possibility granted) I don't think you can have one without the other. I'm not sure if they come up as separate entities in something like titanium backup - but if they do perhaps you could freeze the camera part and see what happens w/ the gallery end? Just a thought
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I'll try that

Cyanogen 13

Cyanogen in the s6 edge plus
https://youtu.be/PnYWt92ooZc
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I saw this video in youtube
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It looks really fake...

No..it's a fake..when you try to download the rom from the link in the description, you will find surveys..anywhere, umeaboy was working on a cyano for edge plus..but anything yet.
I'm tired of touchwiz roms..i really want to try aosp!

I think it's a fake

They got cm13 booting up over in the note 5 forums... it works on edge plus but the navbar and capacitive buttons don't work with our s6 edge plus

Yes..i've found a build on the note 5 forum, it may works on edge plus, the bugs are:
No camera
Youtube videos not works
Text messages causes reboot
I can't live without camera, so i'll flash this rom as a secondary rom, with the dual boot app..now i'm not at home...later i'm going to download it and try it..
I'll keep you updated!
Bye

If we can get a proper kernel working on it with our device it should be a decent tester

Ok..installed as a primary rom..dual boot is not working.
The rom seems to be working, but..there are a lot of bugs..of course.
Not a daily drive, but just this, it's another step.
I forgot that you can't play your music..if you try to riproduce a song with a music player, or simply a file manager, your phone will reboot.
Remember, if you want to try it..you have to flash cm and then, without reboot the system, flash the gapps, wipe cache e dalvik, and reboot.
Keep it in mind, you can't use it as a daily drive.
Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.
Goodnight friends!
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swapavi said:
If we can get a proper kernel working on it with our device it should be a decent tester
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Ps: buttons aren't working..you have to enable the navigation bar in settings!
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I've checked again..you can't riproduce any type of media..also the media on the web, like youtube..

Haxmast3r said:
Ok..installed as a primary rom..dual boot is not working.
The rom seems to be working, but..there are a lot of bugs..of course.
Not a daily drive, but just this, it's another step.
I forgot that you can't play your music..if you try to riproduce a song with a music player, or simply a file manager, your phone will reboot.
Remember, if you want to try it..you have to flash cm and then, without reboot the system, flash the gapps, wipe cache e dalvik, and reboot.
Keep it in mind, you can't use it as a daily drive.
Sorry for my bad english, i'm italian.
Goodnight friends!
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Ps: buttons aren't working..you have to enable the navigation bar in settings!
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I've checked again..you can't riproduce any type of media..also the media on the web, like youtube..
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I did enable the navigation bar in settings... Those didn't work for me either...
The back button worked actually, but not the home and recents buttons
Edit: I should mention I'm using n928t the T-Mobile s6 edge plus

swapavi said:
I did enable the navigation bar in settings... Those didn't work for me either...
The back button worked actually, but not the home and recents buttons
Edit: I should mention I'm using n928t the T-Mobile s6 edge plus
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Now i'm returning to river rom...happy for tested this first aosp build, i hope that someone will work on a good kernel and fix the various bug.
Anyway...the aosp experience mixed with the dual edge display is very cool!

Really wish there was an identifiable community for any AOSP on our device :/

i wish there was ubuntu or debian, even maemo/meego will do , android is so one sided and borring

Wesley_NL said:
i wish there was ubuntu or debian, even maemo/meego will do , android is so one sided and borring
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I honestly can't grasp why we do not have the availability of Ubuntu Touch on these devices.
The Meizu Pro 5 came with an Ubuntu Touch model on the idenical Soc/Specs.
I agree all too well about one sidedness, especially putting up with samsung >.<

honestly, samsungs are nice devices but they start to be like apple , i mean locked on every aspect, no mods, people give up on these devices of samsng bcuz the stupid xynos cpu or w/e since samsung dont release the codes to make a custom rom like s3 with archidroid/debian , seriously samsungis gonna lose its custommers if they keep this up

Wesley_NL said:
honestly, samsungs are nice devices but they start to be like apple , i mean locked on every aspect, no mods, people give up on these devices of samsng bcuz the stupid xynos cpu or w/e since samsung dont release the codes to make a custom rom like s3 with archidroid/debian , seriously samsungis gonna lose its custommers if they keep this up
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But obviously they released enough to Meizu for them to release a slew of AOSP on the Exynos7420 SoC, like literally
Stock decisions of; Ubuntu Touch or FlymeOS,
CM13/14 was available for download, not sure how that's going currently.
But i just can't grasp why we aren't seeing any love on the other side?

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But obviously they released enough to Meizu for them to release a slew of AOSP on the Exynos7420 SoC, like literally
Stock decisions of; Ubuntu Touch or FlymeOS,
CM13/14 was available for download, not sure how that's going currently.
But i just can't grasp why we aren't seeing any love on the other side?
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most likely because galaxy s8 is already coming ,and so no use in continueing s6 witch is 2 generations lower, samsung release phones to fast to keep up with apple, witch i so dislike apple ****
cm14 already eh , tobad pierdebeer is the only dev arround for this device, everyone gave up already

Wesley_NL said:
most likely because galaxy s8 is already coming ,and so no use in continueing s6 witch is 2 generations lower, samsung release phones to fast to keep up with apple, witch i so dislike apple ****
cm14 already eh , tobad pierdebeer is the only dev arround for this device, everyone gave up already
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Agreed, its just so sad to realize if I want anything actually custom on this thing I either have to put in some hrs of work, & have a wicked internet connection.
Or purchase from Asia for the same SoC from a different manufacturer :/

[UNOFFICIAL] Users' Support Thread for AOSP 7.0 ROM

Since the official ROM thread is closed for the foreseeable future, I figured those of us who are running, not running away from, the AOSP Android 7 ROM by @Schischu need a place to discuss bugs, find solutions, etc.
Of course, given the situation, we can't officially recommend the ROM, no matter how much we might love it. So we assume that if you are posting here, you already have the ROM installed, and have read all of the original thread.
Schischu will probably not be helping out with this thread. I haven't even asked him about starting it. I have had no part in the ROM's development, so this is strictly UNOFFICIAL. Think of it as a twelve-step program for those who have been left hanging by this situation. Hopefully some of the guys from the original thread who are real devs will be nice enough to chime in. And, hopefully we will inspire Schischu to return to the development of the ROM and resolution of whatever underlying issues that led to the suspension of the old thread.
I think we should start with a known bug list, and I'll come back a little later and post a few that I am aware of.

My personal bug list:
T-700
·Graphics glitches when changing screen orientation or swapping between apps
·Certain streaming apps (USA Now, Syfy Now in my case) won't stream video
·Slow charging while the tablet is on
·Camera Apps freeze (Stock, better camera) when trying to record video, don't access full camera resolution
·I'll add more if I find/think of any
T-800
·YouTube videos stutter while playing
I may try to keep this as a comprehensive list, but I won't always be able to, so no promises.

What we're the issues that caused the thread to be closed? I'm running it on a T800 and it's been fine. Was it security issues or legal/admin issues?
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touchee said:
What we're the issues that caused the thread to be closed? I'm running it on a T800 and it's been fine. Was it security issues or legal/admin issues?
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Update : here's the answer to the question I posed below. Apparently the AOSP MM will not get further develop either. The issues all surround a GPL compliance complaint which the Dev denies. See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=68673187
I agree and that the thread's close message was rather vague. Is the Dev continuing to support his aosp MM ROM? I may just return to that one (nandroid backup) as the YouTube stutter is too annoying if it won't be fixed for a very long time. I liked the Nexus feel of this tablet over going the Samsung stock route.
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Kindergarden
WTF tha's kinda childish behav. Man don't acting like that, blowing out the things you don't like and discuss, we are humans, we can talk ! in my opinion it's a really sad situation and for all the other too.
Meet and TALK ! Thanks

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Update : here's the answer to the question I posed below. Apparently the AOSP MM will not get further develop either. The issues all surround a GPL compliance complaint which the Dev denies. See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=68673187
I agree and that the thread's close message was rather vague. Is the Dev continuing to support his aosp MM ROM? I may just return to that one (nandroid backup) as the YouTube stutter is too annoying if it won't be fixed for a very long time. I liked the Nexus feel of this tablet over going the Samsung stock route.
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Sounds like he's not doing any development on either of them for the time being. I'm sticking with the N ROM for now, even with the problems. YouTube has been fine for me, fwiw.
It's pure speculation, but I have to guess that someone is accusing him of using code from their version of the kernel. If there are usability or stability issues with the kernel, then that's what I'm hoping we can figure out with this thread, and if Schischu does not return to working on it, then maybe we can install an N-friendly kernel from another dev when one comes available.

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Sounds like he's not doing any development on either of them for the time being. I'm sticking with the N ROM for now, even with the problems. YouTube has been fine for me, fwiw.
It's pure speculation, but I have to guess that someone is accusing him of using code from their version of the kernel. If there are usability or stability issues with the kernel, then that's what I'm hoping we can figure out with this thread, and if Schischu does not return to working on it, then maybe we can install an N-friendly kernel from another dev when one comes available.
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The MM6 is very stable but multiwindows that any mods can't add on marshmallow is very useful on a tab. I use N7 on my t800 with the bugs (yt bug too ) but for me when I update to a new Android version and use it for a while, downgrade is very hard I will continue use N7 anyway and hope to see schischu coming back for a simple reason is that he's roms are very popular.. future will tell us

So you gotta love this, I have tried twice to send the dev a PM regarding the closing of the other thread, once with the app on my Tab S, and once just now on the web. Neither message shows up in my sent items. Is this normal?

On my T-800, I have the following minor issues which I have not really tried to troubleshoot (with the exception of #3):
1) graphical glitches on rotate and power off
2) not able to see all widgets provided by one app - specifically BeautifulWidgets - I can scroll through their widgets, but it stops half way through one icon and doesn't scroll to the rest
3) I was experiencing about 25% less battery life relative to 5.0.2 (I didn't try MM), but this seems to have settled down now and I'm getting close to what I saw on 5.0.2
4) GPS appears to get location, but GPS Status App seems limited to 4 satellites and does not indicate a fix has been obtained
5) I have a hard time getting into Recovery mode - the power option built in the ROM and Quick Boot app - both reboot to recovery goes to black screen and frozen tab - have to do Vol Down - Home - Power combo to get it to come back alive, but it comes to the Download mode screen. If I cancel out of Download mode, it sometimes goes to Recovery, but more often goes to black screen and frozen again. If I try Vol Up-Home-Power combo nothing happens.
EDIT: for #5 - i waited a bit longer on the black screen and hit power - recovery popped up. This may be related to a historical screen time out issue which has already been identified elsewhere
EDIT 2: for #5 - I seem to be stuck - I made it into recovery after a number of tries and turned off the screen timeout option. Now it won't boot into either recovery or system - just goes to black screen again. I can still get into Download mode so I'll have to wait until I can plug into a PC at home and try ADB fastboot - does anyone have any other suggestions?

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Sounds like he's not doing any development on either of them for the time being. I'm sticking with the N ROM for now, even with the problems. YouTube has been fine for me, fwiw.
It's pure speculation, but I have to guess that someone is accusing him of using code from their version of the kernel. If there are usability or stability issues with the kernel, then that's what I'm hoping we can figure out with this thread, and if Schischu does not return to working on it, then maybe we can install an N-friendly kernel from another dev when one comes available.
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agree with you N is working 100 % for me. Schishu on N or MM it's just a repetition
oh yeah i'm on Slim6 now
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So you gotta love this, I have tried twice to send the dev a PM regarding the closing of the other thread, once with the app on my Tab S, and once just now on the web. Neither message shows up in my sent items. Is this normal?
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found it on another thread
schishu went ballistic over the fact that a lot of people were sending money to get their devices on nougat which led to a half bake ROM with a lot of problems, schishu being who he is, never give any support and just let everyone deal with their problems.. Therefore the moderator said enough is enough and just closed the thread until schishu get his sh** together... And it's not me who've made a complaint..... Schischu did a very good job on the MM6 , it's only a good guess.......

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,,,found it on another thread
schishu went ballistic over the fact that a lot of people were sending money to get their devices on nougat which led to a half bake ROM with a lot of problems, schishu being who he is, never give any support and just let everyone deal with their problems.. Therefore the moderator said enough is enough and just closed the thread until schishu get his sh** together... And it's not me who've made a complaint..... Schischu did a very good job on the MM6 , it's only a good guess.......
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I'am a person who donated to Schichu after his efforts with Nougat so quickly created while Samsung at that point still had not made Marshmallow readily available. I did that not as much for his Nougat ROM but because I'd been using his mature AOSP Marshmallow ROM for months already at that point. I find it difficult to see the words "half baked" and "get his act together" on a ROM clearly marked as ALPHA. That is simply not fair as this developer put out monthly security updates which again is better than Samsung manages. I do not regret my donation as I reverted to his AOSP MM from a nandroid backup just hours ago. Samsung stock Marshmallow does not support Substratum theming which I find manditory and is slower than the Nexus like AOSP build..

kaodd said:
found it on another thread
schishu went ballistic over the fact that a lot of people were sending money to get their devices on nougat which led to a half bake ROM with a lot of problems, schishu being who he is, never give any support and just let everyone deal with their problems.. Therefore the moderator said enough is enough and just closed the thread until schishu get his sh** together... And it's not me who've made a complaint..... Schischu did a very good job on the MM6 , it's only a good guess.......
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That seems odd that it would be shut down for being half-baked! The 1st page of the ROM thread clearly states it is "Alpha". For an alpha, it certainly ran well - others clearly had unreasonable expectations for an alpha status ROM.

slow1234 said:
On my T-800, I have the following minor issues which I have not really tried to troubleshoot (with the exception of #3):
1) graphical glitches on rotate and power off
2) not able to see all widgets provided by one app - specifically BeautifulWidgets - I can scroll through their widgets, but it stops half way through one icon and doesn't scroll to the rest
3) I was experiencing about 25% less battery life relative to 5.0.2 (I didn't try MM), but this seems to have settled down now and I'm getting close to what I saw on 5.0.2
4) GPS appears to get location, but GPS Status App seems limited to 4 satellites and does not indicate a fix has been obtained
5) I have a hard time getting into Recovery mode - the power option built in the ROM and Quick Boot app - both reboot to recovery goes to black screen and frozen tab - have to do Vol Down - Home - Power combo to get it to come back alive, but it comes to the Download mode screen. If I cancel out of Download mode, it sometimes goes to Recovery, but more often goes to black screen and frozen again. If I try Vol Up-Home-Power combo nothing happens.
EDIT: for #5 - i waited a bit longer on the black screen and hit power - recovery popped up. This may be related to a historical screen time out issue which has already been identified elsewhere
EDIT 2: for #5 - I seem to be stuck - I made it into recovery after a number of tries and turned off the screen timeout option. Now it won't boot into either recovery or system - just goes to black screen again. I can still get into Download mode so I'll have to wait until I can plug into a PC at home and try ADB fastboot - does anyone have any other suggestions?
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I hope that works out. Please give an update when you can. I will add yours to the list after we hear back.

amateurhack said:
I hope that works out. Please give an update when you can. I will add yours to the list after we hear back.
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Access to recovery is very inconsistent - I don't know much about this - maybe I have a corrupt bootloader or something.
I kept rebooting to Download mode with Power-VolDn-Home combo and then cancelling it - finally it went into Recovery and I could reboot from there to System.
I'm kicking myself- I should have turned screen timeout back on in TWRP as it seemed I could get into recovery more frequently (but still inconsistently) after cancelling out of download mode.

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Access to recovery is very inconsistent - I don't know much about this - maybe I have a corrupt bootloader or something.
I kept rebooting to Download mode with Power-VolDn-Home combo and then cancelling it - finally it went into Recovery and I could reboot from there to System.
I'm kicking myself- I should have turned screen timeout back on in TWRP as it seemed I could get into recovery more frequently (but still inconsistently) after cancelling out of download mode.
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I've never been good at getting those button combinations to work. I always use the power reboot menu, the reboot menu in either TWRP Manager or Titanium, or use adb commands. I guess I'm just not coordinated enough. =) Hopefully you'll get it figured out.

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That seems odd that it would be shut down for being half-baked! The 1st page of the ROM thread clearly states it is "Alpha". For an alpha, it certainly ran well - others clearly had unreasonable expectations for an alpha status ROM.
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Ok it's in alpha, alpha is half baked, Schishu, Samsung or LG it's the same for me. the xda supervisor kickt him out coz much probs as i understand .
". . . . . schishu being who he is, never give any support and just let everyone deal with their problems.. Therefore the moderator said enough . . . . "
I'm satisfied with N, so i cant complain
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Access to recovery is very inconsistent - I don't know much about this - maybe I have a corrupt bootloader or something.
I kept rebooting to Download mode with Power-VolDn-Home combo and then cancelling it - finally it went into Recovery and I could reboot from there to System.
I'm kicking myself- I should have turned screen timeout back on in TWRP as it seemed I could get into recovery more frequently (but still inconsistently) after cancelling out of download mode.
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hold the buttons pressed - home-voldn-power - when u get a black screen just go to volup, u have a sec or fewer. works fine have to do it serveral times after sitting fest in dl mode. (or take out the battery LOL)

Sam Ash has posted in another thread indicating that he will reply to my questions at some point.
In other news, I hate drama.

amateurhack said:
Sam Ash has posted in another thread indicating that he will reply to my questions at some point.
In other news, I hate drama.
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so take it as an action movie action is alway good, sometime grows a new flower up, who knows . . . .

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hold the buttons pressed - home-voldn-power - when u get a black screen just go to volup, u have a sec or fewer. works fine have to do it serveral times after sitting fest in dl mode. (or take out the battery LOL)
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Thanks - I'll have to try a quicker finger. Hopefully it's that simple, but because of the issues I'm having I am not going to try to boot to recovery any time soon unless I absolutely need to!

slow1234 said:
Thanks - I'll have to try a quicker finger. Hopefully it's that simple, but because of the issues I'm having I am not going to try to boot to recovery any time soon unless I absolutely need to!
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maybe it's coz your nickname

AOSP apps

So I have been in this modding android game for quite some time since I had an LG G3 and then I moved over to the Nexus 6 for about 2 years and some of these custom roms are just awesome but one thing I cannot get rid of properly are the inbuilt AOSP apps..
on the Nexus 6 a few years back somebody made a flashable zip that got rid of all of them and the boot animation but then fixed the boot animation being deleted and unfortunately time to change technology has changed and that doesn't work on this phone obviously.
I have tried using the magisk debloater and it just a little too complicated for me because I don't like having two of the same apps one being Google the other being AOSP and any other gaps package I flash besides the razorlove gapps fail when flashing a custom ROM..
I've tried using opengapps and I thought when flashing that package the AOSP apps get replaced with the Google version of them.
Would anybody mind listing what AOSP apps I can remove completely and I apologize if it's already on the thread but I didn't really see anything or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place but can you guys help me out? I really like the RR ROM but the AOSP apps just bothered the hell out of me. I've tried using titanium to completely remove some of them like the AOSP Keyboard but it doesn't fully remove them and I don't want to go into the files that I don't know about and screw up my phone..
So right now I'm on stock and the limitations kind of suck so if anybody could you know help me out listing a method that they use to get rid of them that actually works or listing the ones that I can remove and what program I can use to remove them I do not want to disable them I want to remove them... Or because I know how to use Linux and what not you know maybe somebody could show me how to make a flashable zip that will remove them and I will gladly share it to the community but I'm looking for anything that helps.
It would be greatly appreciated!

soateufel said:
So I have been in this modding android game for quite some time since I had an LG G3 and then I moved over to the Nexus 6 for about 2 years and some of these custom roms are just awesome but one thing I cannot get rid of properly are the inbuilt AOSP apps..
on the Nexus 6 a few years back somebody made a flashable zip that got rid of all of them and the boot animation but then fixed the boot animation being deleted and unfortunately time to change technology has changed and that doesn't work on this phone obviously.
I have tried using the magisk debloater and it just a little too complicated for me because I don't like having two of the same apps one being Google the other being AOSP and any other gaps package I flash besides the razorlove gapps fail when flashing a custom ROM..
I've tried using opengapps and I thought when flashing that package the AOSP apps get replaced with the Google version of them.
Would anybody mind listing what AOSP apps I can remove completely and I apologize if it's already on the thread but I didn't really see anything or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place but can you guys help me out? I really like the RR ROM but the AOSP apps just bothered the hell out of me. I've tried using titanium to completely remove some of them like the AOSP Keyboard but it doesn't fully remove them and I don't want to go into the files that I don't know about and screw up my phone..
So right now I'm on stock and the limitations kind of suck so if anybody could you know help me out listing a method that they use to get rid of them that actually works or listing the ones that I can remove and what program I can use to remove them I do not want to disable them I want to remove them... Or because I know how to use Linux and what not you know maybe somebody could show me how to make a flashable zip that will remove them and I will gladly share it to the community but I'm looking for anything that helps.
It would be greatly appreciated!
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You do realize that AOSP is not a single project like some rom developers, right? If someone publishes an "AOSP" rom, that doesn't mean that they are following some kind of standards or rules.

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You do realize that AOSP is not a single project like some rom developers, right? If someone publishes an "AOSP" rom, that doesn't mean that they are following some kind of standards or rules.
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Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove

soateufel said:
Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove
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But I am doing some research on a flashable zip creator from XDA and hopefully I can make some progress with it

soateufel said:
Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove
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A piece of advice. Get rid of your Pixel as soon as you can. It's a bug testing platform for Google. Samsung, HTC, LG, Oneplus take buggy Google code and refine it. Google doesn't bother.
I only keep this $960 piece of **** (which is now worth less that $300) because I have no other alternative at the moment. As soon as I can dump it for a real a phone, I will.

I'm good thanks I do my research before I buy my phones and I will never buy another Samsung again and dumping my phone is not an option right now if it was I get me the Rog phone from Asus that thing is a beast

soateufel said:
I'm good thanks I do my research before I buy my phones and I will never buy another Samsung again and dumping my phone is not an option right now if it was I get me the Rog phone from Asus that thing is a beast
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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.

I like my pixel XL. No bugs here.
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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.
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lafester said:
I like my pixel XL. No bugs here.
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Ignorance is bliss.

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Ignorance is bliss.
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Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.

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Ignorance is bliss.
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Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.
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I'd like to know too, cause I must be missing something. I have absolutely no issues with my device...

lafester said:
Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.
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Click on my profile and find new threads started by me in this subforum.
I believe every single new thread was me complaining about one bug or another.
The biggest one that is always on my mind though, and which is almost a deal breaker, was introduced by Google in the 7.0.2 update. And they still haven't fixed it, but all other manufacturers have - I know for a fact that this bug was fixed in Oreo by Samsung and Oneplus.
It's where you wear a smartwatch which can make and receive phone calls, such as my beautiful Huawei Watch with a gorgeous custom band, and then you get inside your car with a bluetooth hands-free car kit, or just a bluetooth headset, which then improperly connects to the phone as "Connected (no phone)." So you cannot use it. If you don't wear a watch, then everything works fine with a kit or bt headset. This is the reason why I don't wear my beautiful watch anymore. Google needs to fire their bluetooth stack programmer.

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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.
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My bad. I use speech to text a lot and I don't like using punctuation when speaking. It causes some bad habits.
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
On a side note I just found a Chrome extension that allows speech to text and is very good with no ads. If you're like me and you use your voice more than you use your keyboard, look up voice in voice typing under Chrome extensions pretty damn simple.

soateufel said:
My bad. I use speech to text a lot and I don't like using punctuation when speaking. It causes some bad habits.
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
On a side note I just found a Chrome extension that allows speech to text and is very good with no ads. If you're like me and you use your voice more than you use your keyboard, look up voice in voice typing under Chrome extensions pretty damn simple.
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Sorry for hijacking your thread -was not my intention.

Making a flashable zip is easy with the tool I link in this thread. https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/noob-friendly-tips-tricks-information-t3798529

soateufel said:
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
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A friend of mine made a script specifically for what you are trying to do, granted, it's for a different device and older version of Android. Some small modification should be all it needs to suit your purpose, if nothing else, it may contain some useful information.
The thread is located here (Keep in mind, he's from Brazil, so his English is a little rough =)

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Sorry for hijacking your thread -was not my intention.
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You are completely fine. I'm shocked how nice people are on here LOL usually people are just mean and think they have the right answer and I have to accept it no matter what and I just don't like people who are so full of themselves so thank you.
I've been trying to research this but I was supposed to have surgery today and I was getting ready for that and unfortunately it was cancelled without my knowledge so that was pretty stressful and now I have to start the whole process over again because the doctors I was going to go to no longer accept my insurance and nobody told me so I'm still going to work on this it's just going to be a little bit of a process.

soateufel said:
You are completely fine. I'm shocked how nice people are on here LOL usually people are just mean and think they have the right answer and I have to accept it no matter what and I just don't like people who are so full of themselves so thank you.
I've been trying to research this but I was supposed to have surgery today and I was getting ready for that and unfortunately it was cancelled without my knowledge so that was pretty stressful and now I have to start the whole process over again because the doctors I was going to go to no longer accept my insurance and nobody told me so I'm still going to work on this it's just going to be a little bit of a process.
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As a side note, I am now in the same boat as you. I have a Oneplus 6 now, silk white, which is gorgeous. But it has double apps like yours - 2 calendars, 2 calculators, 2 message apps, 2 clock apps etc. I don't even really know which ones are Google and which ones are Oneplus - I think the round icons are Google, but rectangular icons are Oneplus. Plus I don't know which apps are better. I think that I will use some of them for a while and disable the least appealing ones.
There are only a handful, and maybe that's what you can do? Just disable? If you cannot disable from the main Android interface, you can do it from adb. There are commands that can disable and enable app packages from adb.

Hey guys I'm sorry it's been awhile since I've kept up with you guys. So a little side note
I have started this project it is my very first project on my GitHub.
But my problem is I have no idea how to even start this I mean I tried using the flashable zip creator and it pulled the system apps but I'm at a loss here any help would be greatly appreciated..

You can view the project at this link by the way
https://github.com/arkhamsaiyan/Marlin-AOSP-app-remover