Fellow XDA Devs:
A capability that a few of us approximated but never fully accomplished was using two Carriers on the Pixel 2 XL (active and passive modes).
Now that the Pixel 3 class is released, does anyone have insight on the feasibility of Active eSIM & Active SIM? That would be such an amazing feather which some much cheaper phones accomplish. I recognize that the Telecom overlords (i.e. Verizon and AT&T) would fight tooth and nail against this capability as the technology would diminish their control).
Thus, it may require playing under the hood and determining if the hardware can support. Appreciate any perspectives or insight you may have
Regards,
Herb
I'd be really surprised (and a little disappointed) if the hardware didn't support active/active, so fingers crossed it happens at some point - or is made to happen by one of the resident geniuses here.... but the box shots I have seen only have one IMEI so who knows?
hschreib said:
Fellow XDA Devs:
A capability that a few of us approximated but never fully accomplished was using two Carriers on the Pixel 2 XL (active and passive modes).
Now that the Pixel 3 class is released, does anyone have insight on the feasibility of Active eSIM & Active SIM? That would be such an amazing feather which some much cheaper phones accomplish. I recognize that the Telecom overlords (i.e. Verizon and AT&T) would fight tooth and nail against this capability as the technology would diminish their control).
Thus, it may require playing under the hood and determining if the hardware can support. Appreciate any perspectives or insight you may have
Regards,
Herb
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Unfortunately, no reason to believe the 3 will be any different than the 2 with regards to active dual sim.
Another 'issue' would still be the eSIM can only be used with Project Fi (unless Google changed their mind).
Yes, but imagine Google Fi on the eSIM and the ability to install any other carrier (domestic or ESPECIALLY International) on the nano-SIM. Appreciate the feedback, markd66 and uicnren. Cheers, Herb
hschreib said:
Yes, but imagine Google Fi on the eSIM and the ability to install any other carrier (domestic or ESPECIALLY International) on the nano-SIM. Appreciate the feedback, markd66 and uicnren. Cheers, Herb
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Well, you can do that now, you just can't use them concurrently.
Obviously having both active simultaneously is what is desired, but given past history, its not going to happen.
I spoke to the Google Pixel Support and they confirmed that it won't support dual sim.
Ha dual sim? Verizon is not even letting you use the esim in the Pixel 3 XL. At least th 2 XL let you switch between sims. Not true dual but better than nothing. I used the fi for work calls and used the verizon for my personal calls. The sad part is this will not be a major issue so it will be ignored. I will either have to go back to 2 XL or walk with two phones...
Are you saying they have the esim blocked?
Yes that is correct. I really blows
Dazedust28 said:
Yes that is correct. I really blows
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Are you saying active/active is blocked or the e-sim. On my pixel 3 xl I can now scan a qr code from any carrier or enter in the code manually to activate e-sim. Unfortunately T-Mobile doesn't do esim yet.
My wife is looking to get a pixel 3 and switch to Fi, and was hoping to use the esim thing to also have her work Verizon # on it. Is that a thing that's even possible?
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My wife is looking to get a pixel 3 and switch to Fi, and was hoping to use the esim thing to also have her work Verizon # on it. Is that a thing that's even possible?
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If she or you are buying through Google, that should be no issue.
eSIM only works on Fi anyway, so you'd then need to get a VZW SIM.
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My wife is looking to get a pixel 3 and switch to Fi, and was hoping to use the esim thing to also have her work Verizon # on it. Is that a thing that's even possible?
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no, only one active at a time.
Can confirm, can't buy a VZ phone and use eSim. It is disabled
I believe that you can only use one sim at a time. At least that was my experience with the 2XL. Both sims (e and nano) can be active, but you have to switch service to use. I did this traveling internationally.
As for blocking the sim, I cannot comment since I didn't experience this (Google version).
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If she or you are buying through Google, that should be no issue.
eSIM only works on Fi anyway, so you'd then need to get a VZW SIM.
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Pixel 3 supports eSIM with any carrier by scanning QR code provided by the carrier the same way iPhone XS does. There are few carriers supporting QR code eSIM right now, but launch is imminent on iPhone XS for more, and QR codes should work on Pixel 3 too.
How do you use the eSim on the Pixel anyway?
I wanted to bring this thread back to life as I am interested in the potential capabilities regarding active dual sim, but also wanted to clear up a few things.
the eSIM is not locked to project fi
the eSIM is not disabled
Verizon does not support eSIM (yet)
T-Mobile US does not support eSIM (yet)
the eSIM isn't being 'blocked' by anyone.
I want to know if the hardware would somehow allow dual active. I have two of these devices to test on. I don't know where to start
I'm on Project Fi using eSIM and also have a Giffgaff physical SIM installed just as a backup. It's very quick and easy to switch between them. When I first contacted Fi support to set it up I asked if this was feasible and they said definitely. So confirming that setup does work, but not dual active.
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I'm on Project Fi using eSIM and also have a Giffgaff physical SIM installed just as a backup. It's very quick and easy to switch between them. When I first contacted Fi support to set it up I asked if this was feasible and they said definitely. So confirming that setup does work, but not dual active.
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I know the Apple 3 watch also uses eSim. I'm just waiting for Apple to put the hammer down on Verizon and demand eSim support. Then we'll have it on the Pixel 3 / XL for other than Fi. I'm figuring early 2019 but we'll see. Even so, this will not be eSim dual active but dual standby. It will be some time before manufactures (major ones) will go dual active. Pixel 4, iPhone XI?
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I just got an unlocked Pixel 3XL from Google. Has anyone been able to use an eSim for T-Mobile either with the Pixel 2 or 3? I just called T-Mobile and they tried activating it but I guess it did not work and now I have no service.
homegeek said:
I just got an unlocked Pixel 3XL from Google. Has anyone been able to use an eSim for T-Mobile either with the Pixel 2 or 3? I just called T-Mobile and they tried activating it but I guess it did not work and now I have no service.
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The E-sim should only work if you have project fi
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The E-sim should only work if you have project fi
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Is that a Google issue or T-Mobile? The reason I ask is Apple devices now include esims and T-Mobile is getting ready to support it for those devices.
It's T-Mobile...
homegeek said:
Is that a Google issue or T-Mobile? The reason I ask is Apple devices now include esims and T-Mobile is getting ready to support it for those devices.
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TMobile. If you were to put a Sim card in your services would work.
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The E-sim should only work if you have project fi
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I don't think that's true for the Pixel 3. When you set the phone up it says you can use the eSIM with any compatible carrier (and then I believe gave a URL to check carriers who supported e-SIM).
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TMobile. If you were to put a Sim card in your services would work.
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Absolutely correct. I confirmed this with a google rep and a T-Mobile rep. The esim is unlocked for use with any carrier that supports it. T-mobile, does not.
To this point no US carrier supports the eSIM, other than Project Fi. I confirmed this with Google yesterday.
Allegedly, all 4 US carriers are going to support it, but no word on when.
True, the carriers have been dragging their feet since esim's were announced!
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To this point no US carrier supports the eSIM, other than Project Fi. I confirmed this with Google yesterday.
Allegedly, all 4 US carriers are going to support it, but no word on when.
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This is going to change very very shortly with the release of iOS 12.1 and its support for eSIM on iPhone XS. In USA TMO, ATT and Verizon will support eSIM with bar codes.. hopefully QR codes will work with Pixel 3 given this is a GSMA standard.
All the carriers Apple announced will do eSIM around the world:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209096
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This is going to change very very shortly with the release of iOS 12.1 and its support for eSIM on iPhone XS. In USA TMO, ATT and Verizon will support eSIM with bar codes.. hopefully QR codes will work with Pixel 3 given this is a GSMA standard.
All the carriers Apple announced will do eSIM around the world:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209096
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*HOPEFULLY
I called Verizon today and rep didn't have any idea on what is eSim I just wasted my time... He claiming that he called Google and they told him eSim is not supported yet on Pixel 3 lol
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Absolutely correct. I confirmed this with a google rep and a T-Mobile rep. The esim is unlocked for use with any carrier that supports it. T-mobile, does not.
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I hope they will start supporting it since Tmobile and Google are now in a partnership.
Hello anyone have any updates as how will be able to have esim or second physical sim activated on 926w (Canada) bought direct from samsung ,all discussions seems to hit a dead end
I really need at least 2 sim on this phone and getting a international version is not an option anymore
Thanks for any input
Happy New Year !
If you are in the USA, its not enabled. Samsung has told several people that it will be, once One UI 4.0 hits. We shall see
I lost hope on esim support for the U1 variant. Paying 2k for a phone and not having the option made me jump to the pixel 6 pro so I only have to carry one phone. Still holding onto the fold though in case it comes later on. If so, id jump from the pixel back to my fold.
What exactly is esim?
blizzyblake386 said:
What exactly is esim?
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What is an eSIM card? How will it impact you? | US Mobile
eSIM offers a new way to load carrier information onto your phone without using an external physical chip, enabling you to switch carriers on the spot.
www.usmobile.com
t3ch187 said:
I lost hope on esim support for the U1 variant. Paying 2k for a phone and not having the option made me jump to the pixel 6 pro so I only have to carry one phone. Still holding onto the fold though in case it comes later on. If so, id jump from the pixel back to my fold.
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As European customer with Dual-SIM and eSIM Fold3 I'm not familiar, how Samsung and US carriers deliver the Fold3 in the States. According to your post, your fold is a single SIM device, is that right? Or do you have a carrier, that delivers eSIM support only?
In the USA it is one sim slot only. No dual sim, no Esim. On all carriers. Even unlocked
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In the USA it is one sim slot only. No dual sim, no Esim. On all carriers. Even unlocked
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My like is a like for you but is actually a dislike for the content because it's STUPID that US does not use eSIM more widely.
Where eSIM's are used more than anything else in the US is for Watches. I have a Gear Watch 3 (my Watch 4 is BT only) and it ONLY comes in eSIM and my carrier (T-Mobile) didn't even blink and just activated it. So the SUPPORT IS THERE, just too lazy for widespread adoption.
Get rid of the SIM slot and one less place for dust/water to get in!!
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My like is a like for you but is actually a dislike for the content because it's STUPID that US does not use eSIM more widely.
Where eSIM's are used more than anything else in the US is for Watches. I have a Gear Watch 3 (my Watch 4 is BT only) and it ONLY comes in eSIM and my carrier (T-Mobile) didn't even blink and just activated it. So the SUPPORT IS THERE, just too lazy for widespread adoption.
Get rid of the SIM slot and one less place for dust/water to get in!!
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Also all iphones and all Pixels have Esim active
Forcing people to buy two phones instead of one amounts to big $$$
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Forcing people to buy two phones instead of one amounts to big $$$
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Ummm... this is AMERICA!! Where very company looks harder at the Bottom Line rather than do what's good for the customers or people...
Hell, all you have to do is look at our Medical Practices (Hospitals, insurance and most of all, Big Pharma) and you can CLEARLY see it's all about The Great Chase for the All Mighty Dollar...
But by not offering dual-SIM you loose dollars, because people buy iPhones and Pixels ...
Just got the second 4.0 update the Jan. Security update. Samsung still blocking US Esim support on the Fold 3
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Just got the second 4.0 update the Jan. Security update. Samsung still blocking US Esim support on the Fold 3
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Scamscum still blocking E-SIM? Ughhh. Glad I swapped my phone out for the Mexican Model.
Interesting, I thought Canada and Mexico have the same version phone and I know Canada does not have eSIM ability.
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Interesting, I thought Canada and Mexico have the same version phone and I know Canada does not have eSIM ability.
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Mexico has the International Version. Not the North American Version. I have the Mexican version and it has E-SIM
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Mexico has the International Version. Not the North American Version. I have the Mexican version and it has E-SIM
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How’s you find a Mexican onr
I can’t even order one to the us via the Samsung site. Idk? No where else seems available to ship to us
This Samsung store near me sell only international phones I'm sure they would ship u one just make sure what you buy will run on your carrier
Samsung Store - Sunrise, FL
17 reviews of Samsung Store "I love Samsung products and I was looking forward to visit this brand new Samsung Store. Maybe I been to Apple Store too much and I was envisioning that it will be similar to that. But sadly it was really small with just one sample of each model for demonstration...
www.yelp.com
Anyone got t-mobile android 12 update? and can confirm no esim support whatsoever
Thanks
adika9 said:
Anyone got t-mobile android 12 update? and can confirm no esim support whatsoever
Thanks
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Yup, and no eSIM support at all!
FYI...BYOD
Verizon now supports eSIM when you bring your own device
If you're ready to bring your own device, there's now Verizon eSIM support. You'll need a compatible smartphone, however.
www.androidauthority.com
galaxys said:
FYI...BYOD
Verizon now supports eSIM when you bring your own device
If you're ready to bring your own device, there's now Verizon eSIM support. You'll need a compatible smartphone, however.
www.androidauthority.com
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Weird. I've been with Verizon for 2 years now, and always have brought my own device. Esim has not been an issue.
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Weird. I've been with Verizon for 2 years now, and always have brought my own device. Esim has not been an issue.
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Same here. I actually brought a pixel 6 and pixel 6 pro from Google to Verizon via eSIM, and recommended to do so by support agents when asking for a new sim card. No issues.
teegraves58 said:
Weird. I've been with Verizon for 2 years now, and always have brought my own device. Esim has not been an issue.
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Strange indeed ! I'm with T-Mobile.
No problem here, activated mine over the phone with them.
EDIT: Just read through that page and they claim support for S22 series is coming. BS, it works already! Mine has been on esim for nearly two months. I'm thinking this is more of an OFFICIAL support thing meaning if something breaks you're on your own.
I saw an ad for a Google Pixel 6 PRO that doesn't accept a physical SIM chip, allowing only eSIM usage. The problem is that the Pixel eSim is not unlocked in my country, so there is no possibility to use it. I wanted to know if with root I could circumvent this.
KiYOxz said:
I saw an ad for a Google Pixel 6 PRO that doesn't accept a physical SIM chip, allowing only eSIM usage. The problem is that the Pixel eSim is not unlocked in my country, so there is no possibility to use it. I wanted to know if with root I could circumvent this.
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My pixel 6 Pro has a physical nano sim
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My pixel 6 Pro has a physical nano sim
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Yes, but apparently there was a carrier block for physical Sim entry. The only one available is the eSIM but it is blocked in my country. I wanted to know if I can unlock one of the two entries with root.
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Yes, but apparently there was a carrier block for physical Sim entry. The only one available is the eSIM but it is blocked in my country. I wanted to know if I can unlock one of the two entries with root.
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Oh I see, I've never seen that. I would check the LSPosed repo and magisk repo and see. Sorry can't answer it.
When you say esim is locked in your country you mean the carriers offer esim for other models but pixel 6p is not compatible? If that's the case I'm 99.9% sure that it will work no root needed. If they insist to tell them your model just say you have an iPhone. Had the same issue some years ago. Bought a used 4xl from UK with blacklisted physical sim due to debts, no way to remove it from blacklist unless paid out, but esim IMEI was not blacklisted and in my country pixels not supported as well and every carrier representative was saying it will not work. Of course it worked and since then I have used several esims on p4xl p5 p6 and now on p6 pro and pixels still not supported for esim (+ 5g volte etc) in my country
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When you say esim is locked in your country you mean the carriers offer esim for other models but pixel 6p is not compatible? If that's the case I'm 99.9% sure that it will work no root needed. If they insist to tell them your model just say you have an iPhone. Had the same issue some years ago. Bought a used 4xl from UK with blacklisted physical sim due to debts, no way to remove it from blacklist unless paid out, but esim IMEI was not blacklisted and in my country pixels not supported as well and every carrier representative was saying it will not work. Of course it worked and since then I have used several esims on p4xl p5 p6 and now on p6 pro and pixels still not supported for esim (+ 5g volte etc) in my country
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It's like a block from Google, for example the Pixel does not accept a 5G signal in my country, but with root you can bypass this. The same happens with eSim, but I don't know if root solves it.
KiYOxz said:
It's like a block from Google, for example the Pixel does not accept a 5G signal in my country, but with root you can bypass this. The same happens with eSim, but I don't know if root solves it.
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I see I don't believe you will find something cause it's a little bit different than making it register to a 5g network. Usually when it comes to sim locks the IMEI is getting blocked and unfortunately Google phones getting blocked (sim lock blacklist etc) via Google s servers and the unlock comes as an OTA. I don't even believe even if you manage to change the IMEI (illegal) that you'll make it work. There are some modules and apps that require root that say they can change IMEI but in most cases they have to do with older phones and especially mediatek ones. Maybe a professional with special tool boxes (like octopus) can do something
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I see I don't believe you will find something cause it's a little bit different than making it register to a 5g network. Usually when it comes to sim locks the IMEI is getting blocked and unfortunately Google phones getting blocked (sim lock blacklist etc) via Google s servers and the unlock comes as an OTA. I don't even believe even if you manage to change the IMEI (illegal) that you'll make it work. There are some modules and apps that require root that say they can change IMEI but in most cases they have to do with older phones and especially mediatek ones. Maybe a professional with special tool boxes (like octopus) can do something
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Thanks
KiYOxz said:
I saw an ad for a Google Pixel 6 PRO that doesn't accept a physical SIM chip, allowing only eSIM usage. The problem is that the Pixel eSim is not unlocked in my country, so there is no possibility to use it. I wanted to know if with root I could circumvent this.
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Try a ubigi Esim... It's free and you can test your hypothesis... Here in my country almost all carriers that provides a esim doesn't work with pixel 6 pro. if ubigi esim works it's not a esim blocking problem.
So that means it comes with esim?
EDIT: correction: 11 global variant has eSim. My apologies.
Afaik OP hasn't yet ventured into eSim. iPhone so far ahead of everyone else...
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Afaik OP hasn't yet ventured into eSim. iPhone so far ahead of everyone else...
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Nope...bunch of android phone support esim including Oneplus 11(global version), Pixel, Galaxy etc.
Esim is ok..but if you get a new phone.. that dont offer esim , it kinda sucks. Now you have to go to cell company and transfer esim to a sim card . I had esim on pixel 6 pro
That's not what I posted.
Other brands have but not to the extent of iPhone - where you can juggle many eSim profiles simultaneously, it's why I still use it in addition to Android.
As far as OnePlus 11 I haven't found a single confirmation. Even OnePlus forums state no.
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Esim is ok..but if you get a new phone.. that dont offer esim , it kinda sucks. Now you have to go to cell company and transfer esim to a sim card . I had esim on pixel 6 pro
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I like the way iPhone handles it. Simultaneously I had capped base plan and added free monthly trials from T-Mobile and Verizon. In settings you can designate which carrier is primary for call&text, which one for Data.
You can store over dozen e-Sim profiles, enable or disable at will...
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I like the way iPhone handles it. Simultaneously I had capped base plan and added free monthly trials from T-Mobile and Verizon. In settings you can designate which carrier is primary for call&text, which one for Data.
You can store over dozen e-Sim profiles, enable or disable at will...
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eSIM in OP11 is.
even the help in the smartphone mentions it and informs you that if you activate the eSIM, the second SIM slot is no longer active.
Simply eSIM replaces SIM2.
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I added screenshots showing that eSIM in OP11 is and is doing well
BTW - I don't have my traditional SIM card inserted yet, because after the initial "play" with OP11, I will probably reset it to factory settings and root it.
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Esim is ok..but if you get a new phone.. that dont offer esim , it kinda sucks. Now you have to go to cell company and transfer esim to a sim card . I had esim on pixel 6 pro
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Really?!
With a physical SIM card I can swap it between any phones however and when I like. With a eSIM card you are a slave to your cellular provider. And good luck restoring your eSIM number if you left your country.
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eSIM in OP11 is.
even the help in the smartphone mentions it and informs you that if you activate the eSIM, the second SIM slot is no longer active.
Simply eSIM replaces SIM2.
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I added screenshots showing that eSIM in OP11 is and is doing well
BTW - I don't have my traditional SIM card inserted yet, because after the initial "play" with OP11, I will probably reset it to factory settings and root it.
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So OnePlus Store doesn't present it based on Location.
I stand corrected, and very grateful for your detailed reply!
I hoping that their will be alot of development for OnePlus 11 and I want to see for myself how esim works and how easy it is switch companys
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Really?!
With a physical SIM card I can swap it between any phones however and when I like. With a eSIM card you are a slave to your cellular provider. And good luck restoring your eSIM number if you left your country.
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That's what I was saying..!!!!
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I hoping that their will be alot of development for OnePlus 11 and I want to see for myself how esim works and how easy it is switch companys
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There won't be. OppoPlus has again locked the MSM Tool behind a technician login so the risk of having a brick is unacceptably high. It will be just like all phones since the 9 Pro - little, if any development. Developers are moving away from OnePlus en masse.
I'm going to be moving to the OP11 from OP7T - even though it has eSIM/SIM - does it allow you specify a ringtone for each of the SIMs? This is the reason I moved back to my OP7T from the Pixel 7 Pro, now I have (1) expensive paper-weight sitting on my desk and hoping the OnePlus 11 will have this option like my OnePlus 7T.
This is from the OnePlus 11 Specs Page
eSIM - Yes
Dual SIM - Yes (Dual nano-SIM slot)
I'm about to set up a new OP11 but I don't want to use eSIM. I'd rather have two physical SIMs. When you start setup I don't see an option to disable eSIM. I don't want to insert my SIM to learn, that I won't be able to go back or cancel this operation. What do I do?