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Hi. I've complained and emailed Motorola at least two times after the disaster of my old Moto G4 (water damage) and have voiced out how can they improve things. Now, with planning on buying a G5 Plus I have three main concerns:
1. Having no compass or magnetometer means location services apps like Google Maps (which I use on a daily basis for walking navigation due to the nature of my work and during holiday looking for a nearby restaurant or a place of interest) may function and perform slower than a device with compass. True?
2. Advanced nano coating - I'm worried that when i use my phone in light rain or an accidental drop in the sink might damage the internals when water enter small holes such as mic, speakers, USB port and grooves in-between buttons. So, is it safe or not?
3. Updates - We all know when Lenovo took over Moto updates have been very slow with the current G5 lineup still stuck with 7.0. I'm not into rooting so I depend highly on updates straight from the OEM. But with a near-stock and seemingly optimised software is this a cause for concern? Or better to stick it out with Samsung or Sony which does faster updates?
Some minor concerns are:
1. G5 Plus speakers sound a bit tinnier than last year's model?
2. Camera seem bland and has no image stabilisation apart from a pseudo-EIS at 1080p 30fps but still better than last year?
3. Storage is UFS type or eMMC 5.1?
You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.
1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone
Karlinski said:
1) Software problems (i.e. slow updates and the like) are all eventually solved with custom roms
2) if you want hardware that the phone doesnt have, you need to pay more for a phone. this is a great mid level phone
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It's a great mid-level phone that's $200 less than another great mid-level phone, OnePlus 3T !!
And the fingerpad control is life changing (I keep trying to swipe on my Tab S2 tablet's button now!)
I do not think things such as a compass is ONLY found on a high-end device. And things i considered "basic" for a mid-range such as USB Type-C (which has been around for a year now in mainstream devices), blue light filter (again present in Asus tablets since 3 years ago & iPhones as well). And a compass.
And a security update 4 months ago isn't good enough; Google has started to be "strict" in encouraging OEMs to at least patch security vulnerabilities (and maybe some minor bug fixes) every month which again to some is a deal breaker and a very important matter especially nowadays.
I'm not into custom ROMs so I would rather wait for OTA pushed directly by the phone manufacturer.
Saying that I need something more than a 5-inch screen real estate. And one under £250 / $250.
Compass - In the Phone
USB C - Not included for Cost (i'm sure)
blue light filter - Added in SW
Quick Security updates - Added by Custom Roms
If you wait for Moto, you may be waiting a while. There are really a few options..
Buy a nexus
- get the newest updates
- get all the high end features
Use a custom Rom
- get the newest Updates
Don't use nexus or Custom Rom
- Wait for slow manufactures
It's really about as simple as that.
Thanks for the insight.
Would you mind please installing CPU-Z and prove to me the G5 Plus has a compass.
As I have said I am not into rooting or custom ROMs. And besides I might invalidate the warranty of my phone or further damage the software as I still think ROMS are unstable anyway.
So, what you are saying a USB Type-C (a technology which is technically around for over a year now) would be expensive in terms of being incorporated in a device?
Is a blue light filter toggle being baked in the SW difficult to do by a devs?
And would 3GB of memory be enough? Really worried that apps are not kept on memory so apps reload and not load instantly.
Moto G5 Plus has a compass in USA, but not in Europe. Also, yes, 3 GB of RAM is fine. 2 GB is just enough, 3 GB is good, 4 GB is great
Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.
Gino76ph said:
Well, that's the trouble right there. One country had slightly altered specs than the other. I wonder what made Motorola-Lenovo decide why us Brits/Europeans don't need a compass in our phones. Stupid really.
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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.
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Probably the same ones that decided the US version didn't need NFC. It's almost like they've decided to the penny what they are going to put into the phones and then they clip a coin to see which market gets what.
After the G4 I decided I'd never own another Lenovo product but I did look hard at the G5. Since my G4 is running ok for now, I've decided to hold off and see if the rumor mill holds true about the G5S later this year. I may take another look then.
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When I had the G4 it developed some water damage (the worse I did with the phone was i quickly "washed" it with water under the sink but only for 1-2 seconds nothing more) hence I got disappointed. I held off for a new G5 simply because I was just underwhelmed somewhat and also disappointed because Lenovo decided on (what I view strongly as ) cost cutting exercises as I mentioned earlier such as having no compass, no USB Type-C, "advanced" nano coating and not some IP-rated protection, a measly 5MP front cam and no 7.1.1 on release.
I did saw news of an updated G5S phones but they may not come till late this year so I'm back on the drawing board i.e. getting another G4 by the meantime or buy an old flagship like S7 (which can be had for exactly the same price as a UK-spec G5) or an iPhone 6S or a much cheaper/older Nexus 6P. Lost faith in a Sony phone as battery life has been an issue for me since.
After using this phone
I regret not buying Lenovo p2 or lenovo zuk z2
Z2 has 820
It was being offered for $200
suhridkhan said:
You sound like you are expecting a flagship level performance from a midranger.
You should be looking for a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus.
Yes, gps should be a bit finicky for walking navigation for initial navigation, once you start walking it should be fine.
No, it's not gonna be safe for dropping in the sink.
Not even Galaxy S8 or LG G6 got any updates beyond 7.0. For a budget phone don't expect security update every month. I would expect a security update like every 3/4 months. And It's probably gonna jump to Android 8.0 directly at the beginning of next year. Assumption is based on the update of my Moto Z play.
You are right about the camera, but unless you purchase a next year's flagship, there is no better camera than this for less than 300$ price tag.
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Hey you, expecting something from a company which previously did the same isn't "expecting flagship performance"
The major reason for people to buy Motog is because they have an impression that Moto provides regular updates, but now when things are changing and Lenovo just killing what Moto was known for than its a few more years in which people would know the reality. Why would have I bought Motog if I could have bought Lenovo P2 with the same price, it's having same specs + a 64bit os + an amoled screen + 5100mah battery + compass sensor. It's because of my expectation from Moto to provide me updates and if they don't then moto's uniqueness would be self destroyed and me and I believe many like me would find nothing which would differentiate Moto from other brands.
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So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?
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So you think a Lenovo P2 is better choice than a Moto G5 Plus phone?
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Pros in Lenovo P2 but should u really care:
1. 64bit os - all apps that I use are supported by the 32bit Motog, and the performance isnt affected by any means running a 32bit os. Practically it's the same, I have had no issues running the 32bit os on my Moto g since I bought it, if it wasn't for this thread then I wouldn't have even noticed that it has a 32bit os [emoji28]
2. Amoled screen - amoled screen is good for viewing because of its punchy colors but it has its own issues like screen burning, LCD panel isn't bad by any means and if you are coming from a device that already had LCD screen than u would be happy by the display of Moto g. It's just good.
3. 5100mah battery- it's hard to defend this but I prefer a device with 3000mah over 5100mah as sd625 with 3000mah easily gives me 6+ hours of sot by heavy usage and it's the practical amount anyone would use a smartphone is a day, so this makes me charge my device everyday at the end of the day with which I am familiar, having a 5100mah battery would disbalance my stats and would give me 1.5days of usage, but still I would charge my device everyday as I can't charge my device in the afternoon due to life/job/education, so having a 5100mah is good but not practical, not for me, especially with that sweetttt sd625 chip inside, it's the best chipset in the budget market right now, awesome battery life and no heating issues.
Compass sensor- it's good to have as many sensors as possible, the most practical use of the compass sensor is for navigation, and navigation works really fine even without it *with a constant internet connection of course [emoji28] *, until u are used to offline maps and use them for navigation u won't notice any major difference.
Pros with Motog that u can't ignore:
1. The brand value: even if we geeks know that Lenovo owns Motorola but the world in general loves Moto g and is familiar with this brand for decades, Moto demands respect which a fone branded with Lenovo(f*** china [emoji36] ) don't, and that matters.
2. Better updates - even though Lenovo bought Moto the staff of Moto is still there, and I think they will not let us down as they know what we expect from them, Lenovo P2 got nougat update but it's so buggy that some users can't even watch YouTube videos with peace (audio syncing issues), you can see YouTube videos of users telling how to get back to marshmallow also, that's what I mean by "better" updates, that Chinese company can't compete with the technical staff in term of updates. It's 90% sure that we would get android o and it's 100% sure Lenovo P2 won't, coz it's just isn't their thing [emoji23]
3. Better camera- no need to explain on that, it's just the way it is. Best in class
4. That plain screen- Moto g has a plain Gorilla glass while Lenovo P2 has a 2.5d curved glass, it's so hard to find a good tempered glass protector for a 2.5d glass, I own a 2.5d glass device for months now and I am sick of it, with Moto g I can easily get a good tempered glass anywhere, literally anywhere.
5. Stock android- again nothing to explain u about this, just enjoy stock android in its full glory with Motog [emoji4]
That's the reason why I choose Moto g over lenovo P2, Moto g according to me is the most balanced smartphone in the budget segment right now, it don't really excells in anything, it's just a solid allrounder, i have been using it for weeks now and there's nothing to complain about. I was getting Lenovo P2 for ₹11750 ($175.37) and still I choose Moto g(4/32gb) which I got at ₹12750 ($190.29), and I know I would never regret my decision,
thanks for patiently reading this [emoji23]
Peace [emoji111]
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Hi,
As per invites Lg is going to release newest V30+ in India this 13th December 2017. Who's excited?
There are still few things unknown like will we get unlocked device with boot loader unlock available officially in future (too optimistic?), price of the phone and coming with pre installed Oreo?
Feel free to share your views about the device, its performance, updates, customer support etc. here.
About time this thread started!
My wish list:
1. Most importantly, I hope that launch date = availability date. We're done with announcements, LG
2. B&O earphones please - don't shortchange Indian customers
3. Oreo - although not so important for now
4. All colour variants please, especially Moroccan blue
5. Pricing sub 50k would be good.
1. Most importantly, I hope that launch date = availability date. We're done with announcements, LG
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this
also please dont remove quad dac
ravijani said:
Hi,
As per invites Lg is going to release newest V30+ in India this 13th December 2017. Who's excited?
There are still few things unknown like will we get unlocked device with boot loader unlock available officially in future (too optimistic?), price of the phone and coming with pre installed Oreo?
Feel free to share your views about the device, its performance, updates, customer support etc. here.
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Oh crap!
I couldn't wait for India launch so I ordered the V30+ from HK a week ago, its being delivered later on today! Paid 63k total, yikes!!
I have been looking for a good dual SIM phone to upgrade to from my Nexus 6p and right now the only contenders are HTC U11 plus, LG V30, and OP5T. HTC U11 Plus is my ideal phone, but not sure if it launching here. A question to LG device owners here, are their dual SIM phones rootable and will the V30 also be rootable? If it's not rootable, then I''ll have to wait even longer for my next device.
Edit: Never mind looks like root is not available on any of the versions of this phone.
Crazy pricing! Rs45k - available on Amazon exclusively from 18-Dec. But from what I read, no B&O earphones and no Oreo. Also only black & silver colours. But all that is ok given that its almost 20k less than Note 8 and horrendously priced Pixel 2 XL. They'll have to cut pricing now.
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Crazy pricing! Rs45k - available on Amazon exclusively from 18-Dec. But from what I read, no B&O earphones and no Oreo. Also only black & silver colours. But all that is ok given that its almost 20k less than Note 8 and horrendously priced Pixel 2 XL. They'll have to cut pricing now.
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Really Confused after the Price annoucement at Rs45k.
Hi all, I'm new to this awesome site. I am from India.
I'm confused between HTCu 11, HTCu 11 Plus and LG v30+ to buy.
U11 and V30 are available at the same price.
Q1:-Could anyone tell me around when U11+ will come to India?
My experiences with both V20 and G6 have been so horrendous that I had to sell them both within the first month as I could not take in the stutter and awful overnight battery drain and mild heating issues even when I was using it casually(no games or FBook etc).
Q2:- u11 Plus would be priced, even if it does arrive in India, at least Rs 10k-15k ( 150 to 230 American dollars ) higher than U 11. I dont want to spend that much more if the upgrade is not worth it. So is it worth that much?
Please someone... anyone.... do reply
Thanks
I was not at all expecting a price tag of 45K at all. LG phones don't really hold their value, but this price seems very reasonable. About 7k more than OP5t but offering better screen, cameras, audio output through headphone jack , IP68 rating etc. while OP5t 128GB version has double the RAM though and better software. with custom ROM support. Really hard choice to make!!! I still think the U11 plus is the right phone for me, but HTC I don't know what they are doing by not releasing their phone.
Anyone knows about Official bootloader unlock for Indian version? Will it ever come? Anyone with experience in past with lg phones?
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I was not at all expecting a price tag of 45K at all. LG phones don't really hold their value, but this price seems very reasonable. About 7k more than OP5t but offering better screen, cameras, audio output through headphone jack , IP68 rating etc. while OP5t 128GB version has double the RAM though and better software. with custom ROM support. Really hard choice to make!!! I still think the U11 plus is the right phone for me, but HTC I don't know what they are doing by not releasing their phone.
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It is surprising and it makes me wonder how it differs from the versions sold abroad. Whether anything is missing, the v30 in the uk was launched at £800 cuple of months back, this one works out to £520. The difference is online store margins are less than street retail
oneplus does not have better software. It only has better rom support.
It looks like the india version is the same as the HK one (going by the user manual) , the boot loader will likely be unlockable so forget getting root
unless you import the euro variant which means no warranty in India whereas they get two years
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Xebeck said:
My experiences with both V20 and G6 have been so horrendous that I had to sell them both within the first month as I could not take in the stutter and awful overnight battery drain and mild heating issues even when I was using it casually(no games or FBook etc).
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I had battery drain just one night out of a month i own the v20. A restart fixed it. I would say the one thing The v20 has low drain otherwise averaging 4-6% per 12h with the secondary screen off. Otherwise its 1% per hour and if it faces somewhere bright can be higher as it seems to brighten the screen up on its own irrespective of what auto brightness was set to.
As far as temperature goes this is a cool phone. Won't cross 33 degrees C at fastest charge which happens only with screen off as with all LG phones. The G4 would run five degrees warmer on avg
V30+ unlocked in the US is $930 or ~60k
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1379518-REG/lg_lgus998u_a1usbk_v30_unlocked_phone_black.html
Since when do Indian prices beat US by 15k (!)
One Twelve said:
V30+ unlocked in the US is $930 or ~60k
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1379518-REG/lg_lgus998u_a1usbk_v30_unlocked_phone_black.html
Since when do Indian prices beat US by 15k (!)
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India is basically getting the "$400 gift card" price (where you have to buy two LG devices) without having to buy two phones or any hassle with submitting receipts, forms. They're just getting the final price and even a few dollars less.
U.S.: 2 X $930 (LG V30+) = $1860 - $400 gift card = $1460 / 2 = $730.
And the gift card trick is no longer available in U.S. I was forced to buy a carrier unlocked LG V30 to qualify before the December 2 deadline. My second phone will then be the carrier unlock LG V30+, when it's released. India even beat us on that.
India: $700 LG V30+. (44,900 rupees)
so did anyone pre ordered yet ?
ravijani said:
Anyone knows about Official bootloader unlock for Indian version? Will it ever come? Anyone with experience in past with lg phones?
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Nope. Indian models won't get bootloader unlocking .
sai444 said:
Nope. Indian models won't get bootloader unlocking .
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Thats the only thing holding me back.
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Thats the only thing holding me back.
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and also need to confirm whether indian units are suffering from display anomalies that are plaguing all of the international units.
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and also need to confirm whether indian units are suffering from display anomalies that are plaguing all of the international units.
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Haven't heard of any display anomalies plaguing ALL of the international units. But people do like to start rumors.
Just like the people who tried to make it a "widespread" problem in the U.S. It wasn't. And since production ramped up in September, it's been even lesser percentage as time goes on.
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and also need to confirm whether indian units are suffering from display anomalies that are plaguing all of the international units.
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Read the India Today article on LGV30+ released about 2 days back. It'll tell you a lot
According to one of the reviews I saw on YouTube, it says Made in India at the back of the device. And also B n O earphones are replaced by LG made earphones.
Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
as a successor the original V30 in 2018, it’ safe to assume the presence of Snapdragon 845 SoC and of course, the RAM may get a bump to 6GB as well
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Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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ChazzMatt said:
Instead of G7, LG may release "upgraded" V30
https://telecomtalk.info/lg-v30-wit...-at-the-mwc-2018-instead-of-lg-g7/172801/amp/
Probably speculation, but actually makes sense. Would compete very well against S9/S9+.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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Yea I was reading the article on Android Authority earlier.
It's sad, flagship LG devices are very good. For me anyway. Maybe they'll just focus getting updates out for a while.
But, It honestly seems like they just don't want to release a flagship device with treble. So if they just stick with the devices they have, such as the v30, and just upgrade it a bit they kinda don't have to register it as a new device with Oreo so they don't need to support treble. Does that make sense?
The action sucks, but they obviously don't want us messing with our phones.
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I saw the news on Android Authority as well. They mentioned it could potentially be the V30+a with the A standing for Assistant or AI. If it ends up being some sort of gimmicky crap like Samsung's Bixby, I have zero interest. If it ends up being something like the AI processor Huawei uses with their Kirin 970 chips, then I am definitely interested.
As for what LG is currently saying they are going to do by not chasing the top manufactures seems like they are sort of admitting that they can't play in the flagship market anymore after a decade of consistent failing to have a profitable mobile business. Every time the new person in charge opens their mouth, seems like they have less and less of an idea of what they need to do to actually get their act together.
Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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Instead of another wonky AI de jour, LG should release an upgraded V30 with all the early problems (including display) fully resolved, a DAC that is just fully-engaged like a good standalone DAC without all the vexing nonsense of auto-adjust of output level vs. headphone impedance, and OS updated to address Krack and Spectre. Oh - and make good on promises by XDA forum enthusiasts (not LG) that bootloader unlock will be released for US open market version.
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The promises were made based on LG's policies. Since 2015, the only reason LG releases an open market version of flagship is for Developer Bootloader unlock. And both European and North America open market flagships are placed on that list. I can show you that list if you can't find it.
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But LG can do what it wishes and when it wishes.
For the U.S. market they tend to wait until last on the list of "to-do" items, just as they are getting ready to launch the NEXT flagship. For the G6 US997, took SIX WEEKS after release (from mid May to end of June) -- and this past week was week #6 for the US998 V30 since release (but only week #3 for the US998 V30+).
LG never promised a timeline for bootloader unlock and neither can forum enthusiasts. But it has always happened since LG started this LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
Complicating matters, now the whole LG mobile division has been reorganized and the G7 cancelled.
LG might decide not to do it this time for the open market LG US998. I bought three of these phones, so my money is where my mouth is. Yeah, I'd be disappointed.
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Coming up with a new upgraded/superior model before unlocking BL is such a slap. I woldnt buy v30 when the successor and s845 devices are on the shelves as it looks will be. I know, then get ready for another torturing round of waiting and waiting .
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Now, before Chazz gets on his white knight horse. LG does make some great products, including smartphones. The V30/V30+ is a very good example of that. However, the quality control sucks and their failure to deliver their products when they have the best chance of being sold are the two biggest issues, at least in my opinion.
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I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014) -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. I think that was a mistake as most people didn't want 6" display phones on 2014. It was even bigger than Samsung Note. Google should have released BOTH or just the smaller one.
Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
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I'll be the first to admit where LG fails, but I'll also brag on their successes.
Back in 2010, before Samsung became the juggernaut it did, LG and Samsung were more like competitive step-brothers from Korea. LG phones were innovative, excellent and as good as or BETTER than Samsung.
My first Android (2010) was an LG Optimus M.
Then, in 2011, an LG Esteem (clone of the Verizon LG Revolution) but for regional carrier.
After that I in 2012 I went to gen3 Galaxy Nexus (Samsung + Google) yet after that was 2013 gen5 LG Nexus 5 (LG + Google).
There was a reason Google used LG for the Nexus 5 even though they owned Motorola at the time -- LG was innovating the heck out of phones. They had used LG for the Nexus 4, also.
After that in 2014, I went to the Moto Quark -- which was basically the UNofficial 5.2" Moto Nexus 6. (the number was ALWAYS the gen number, NOT the screen size). Google had 5.2" and 6" prototypes (as late as mid-August 2014 -- and chose the 6" version for Nexus 6. Motorola repurposed the 5.2" to be the Quark (Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Turbo XT1225/Moto Maxx XT1225, XT1250). That's been my daily driver for 3 years.
But I still kept track of LG...
2012 LG Optimus G (aka G1) -- LG Nexus 4 was basically clone of this phone
2013 LG G2 (first 1080p HD display) -- LG Nexus 5 based on this phone.
2014 LG G3 (1440p, laser auto focus camera)
I did own some G2 phones as "backup" phones and worked on lots of G2 and G3 phones for friends.
However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections. This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess. The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
Here's the V20 vs the V30. The V30 is better in every way.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
Then, the 128 G6+ (with all the specs) LG released in JULY 2017 was the "G6" they should have released in early 2017. But it was "too little, too late". They released a flagship style phone in JULY 2017 with Snapdragon 821 -- when half a dozen competing OEMs had already released next-gen Snapdragon 835 models? I can't figure out if LG is just truly that stupid, or they think their customers are. I do understand, in a way -- if they had thrown in a Snapdragon 835 to the G6+, then it would be TOO much like the upcoming V30/V30+. The problem is LG is the one who backed themselves into that corner in the first place -- with the laughable regionalization of specs scheme in the first place. There would have been NO NEED for an "all spec" G6+ if they had simply released the BEST G6 in early 2017.
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
Also, Google has gone back to LG yet again -- for the 2017 Pixel 2 XL, which has gotten good reviews.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
But the V30/V30+ is an example of exceptional design and hardware specs.
Yeah, the selfie camera should be better.
Yeah, for me stereo speakers would be better.
Maybe 6GB RAM.
Maybe some kind of portrait mode on the rear camera in addition to the wide angle lens.
But overall, it's an "A". I think it's either the best phone of the year, or tied for best phone of the year (with the Note 8, which is still too big for me.)
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I liked the V20 but never ended up buying one. It was ugly with that LG branding on the front of it. I still think the second screen is more practical than that stupid moveable thing. Where I expected the evolution to really come, would have been if LG had kept a second screen, but when the screen is on, the user would have a choice to extend the main screen up on to the second. Sadly, they didn't go that route.
I had two Galaxy Nexus devices and a Nexus 5. I stayed away from the Nexus 4 due to the many software issues it had and was weary about buying the Nexus 5 but did anyway. I don't regret it either. It was a great phone, just ugly. I still use my Moto Nexus 6 to this day. Google made Motorola great again, then sold it. I think they will do some awesome things with HTC that will also hurt LG, especially after the complaints with the Pixel 2 XL screens.
Nice right up Chazz. I agree the the fragmentation of the lg product line.
The only gripe I have is when the Samsung note was called too big. Now I agree it has been too big at one point in the past and now once again it is. But Samsung nailed it for a few years. Note 1 and 2 were definitely too wide. By the time they got to the note 3 they got the dimensions right. Those dimensions stayed mostly unchangd for 4, 5 and 7.
One of the big reasons I ended up with the V30 is how close dimensionaly it is to the note 3 I was upgrading from.
I do agree the note 8 is too big/tall and Samsung phones in general are too tall now. I guess since they already tried too wide they had to make it bigger in a different direction.
I still find it funny how the note 8 was constantly being called a phablet and now most phones are either the same size or smaller then the older notes.
Personally I never followed LG much. Always had friends which LG phones that broke, never knew anyone that was happy with them as far as build quality was concerned. This started back before they even started making smart phones.
I bought the first Samsung galaxy and doing research at the time on which phone to buy and after using it I knew Samsung was going to do well. Back then they really were making the best phones. They had to start to ruin them with touchwiz though.
I had hoped that I would find a new phone that would be as close to how perfect I felt the note 3 was. Disappointedly nothing is. But the V30 is definitely the closest I can currently get.
Thankfully LG didn't remove most of the hardware features that some of us have come a custom to.
Since coming from the note I'm only missing the pen, notification led and removable battery (which is clearly a thing of the past) and some durability, that thing could take a beating. But this seems to be true for all new phones.
And the worse of all, root. But I've read all you have to say about that. Unfortunately it not always that easy in some regions.
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I change my device all the time, because I get itchy for something different. In the past two years, my history looks like this:
Note5, S7 Edge, HTC 10, LG V20, S8+, Note8, LG V30
Although I enjoyed the unlocked bootloader from the Note5, HTC 10, and V20, the Note8 and V30 are both very usable without root. Some people will never buy a phone that cannot be rooted, and that's their choice and perfectly fine with me. I used to be the same way, but recently have tried to survive without it, and done quite well. Android is much more mature a platform now, and no longer needs root to make it perform decently.
If the rumors of the S9/S9+ having stereo speakers is true, then I'm headed back to Samsung land. Even when I needed root to make a device usable (Note5), I couldn't get past the horrid speaker setup that Samsung puts on even their $1000 phones.
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However, 2015 LG G4 was just iterative update to the LG G3. (I won a 2015 LG G4 from AT&T, but sold it to buy my 3rd Moto XT1225.) This was when LG quality problems really hit hard, with bad motherboard connections.
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Er, the camera was a big improvement on the G4. I never would have dreamt LG'd provide a camera with as extensive manual controls compared to the iphone like camera they put on the G3. They saw what sammy did on the K zoom and actually topped it. Sammy forgot they ever made the k with the design of the s6's camera
The G4 had a subtly curved screen. The G3 was flat screen. Great in the hand with leather backs. Case ? what bloody case, the phone never felt like you'd drop it.
OEM battery charger, finally they got a clue that an independent charger is essential OUTSIDE Korea if replaceable batteries are ever to make sense. The g3 didn't have that.
This was also the year LG introduced the V10 -- which in hindsight was a mistake.
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What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
Hear me out on this. Yes, Samsung has two flagship models per year, but for LG's iteration of the "two flagships per year" their V-series (until the V30) was this quirky, TOO BIG mess.
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The V10 was too big for me and this is why i ended up with the G4. Which was so unique.we'll never see another. The ergonomics were very good. leather backs. Who has that.
The next problem was the limited availability. Very few markets saw the V10
The G series was the more "mainstream" model. In the same way, I've NEVER desired a large Samsung Note phone. But by introducing the "new kid on the block", the V-series, LG mentally demoted the G series, and it showed. Samsung never did that to the Galaxy S series.
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People who wanted the bigger phone went with it. The Note stood out. The note 5 was demoted and the s6e+ (who comes up with these names) was pushed instead. Never happened before. The note 4 was the last great Note. The closest you get to it is the V20 today.
Then to add insult to injury the Note 7 got banned by world govt (!) why isn't the note dead already
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
Same with S & Note owners. There are subtle differences between both series and the twain shall never meet
Starting with the 2015 LG G4 (because they were already working on the V10), they didn't want to make the G4 "too good". It showed. It's basically the G3, again.
With the 2016 G5, they made the screen SMALLER. Who does that? They also made those stupid mods nobody wanted. A mod is admission you are leaving SOMETHING out of the phone that would make it better. Nobody wants to carry that crap around.
So, they lost two years there, RUINING the G series reputation.
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The downside was the bootloop problem with the G4 & V10. Everybody that wanted a good camera got either of the two. Period
The slam the G5 got was people thought they should have improved on the G4 further. The G5 was too radical. Anyone that wants a really good camera, should check out the G5. Sensors got smaller from there on and continued getting smaller to the point the one on the V30 is now smaller than on an iphone. They wanted to get rid of the bump (!) Great, they did that.
With the G4 on to the G5, you KNEW you were packing. Don't get that feel with the V20, its still good but those were better
And while the 2016 V20 is supposedly an excellent spec phone, I never wanted to buy it. It looks ugly with that stupid second display and is just too large.
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Not ugly and you get used to the size. Second display comes in handy for quick picks.
People with a Z play make the point that it comes with dual sim AND micro sd. Such a rarity these days. Guess what i got that with the G4 AND V20. For some reason this hybrid nonsense makes it into the G's5 & 6 and V30 et al.
Only with the 2017 LG G6 did LG start get back on track, with innovative designs. But they STILL screwed up with the mentality "We can't make it too good. It's only the G." So, they regionalizedthe specs -- because a FULL fledged G6 WITH ALL THE SPECS, would be BETTER than the stupid V20 they had just released... [emoji14] You couldn't buy a G6 with all the specs listed. That was truly pure idiotic marketing strategy.
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last time they reginalised specs was G3 with the asinine 2/3Gb memory. The G6 region builds was a mistake.
The Asian G6 was full specs, maybe this is why they did a V30+ plus here. Funny that. The G6 was to good that they had to up the game with a v30 plus
What annoys me with these Korean phones is the excessive number of SKU's which just make it a pain. Why not make just one for the ENTIRE world.
Innovative design of G6/V30 makes LG not stand out from the crowd, It's a samey looking phone isn't it with hybrid sim & a sealed battery. yeah real great
So many reviewers say the same thing and its this conformity that gets me down. The G4 and on up to the V20 refused to conform.
The G6 & V30 are pretty, yeah. Funny how these are considered quality but everything before isn't ?
All throughout is LG's discriminating practice of allowing bootloader unlock only in certain markets. They Euros get it because God said so. Why does only T-mo get it though and not the other US operators?
Then the latter 2017 V30+ was an evolved G6+ -- just made better. They also seem to have solved their motherboard/welding issues, etc. No hardware overheating/boot loops with V30, right? Plus, with the V30, LG DOWNSIZED the phone (compared to the V20), but kept the display larger. It's a more "mainstream" sized phone.
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
So, anyone wants to criticize LG for the 2014 - 2016 years and all that mess (LG G4, V10, G5, even V20), I'll be glad to pile on. You can even throw in the idiotic 2017 LG G6 regionalization and the mid-year G6+ (but still with Snapdragon 821) debacle.
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And you stand countered SIR!
Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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HaHaHaHaHa LMMFAO!!! Well said Sir!!
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as i understand it the bootloops stopped with the V10. So no more bootloops from the G5 onwards.
I've never sensed any tension between G or V owners, each went with what they wanted. You wanted smaller you went G.
The Asian G6 was full specs,
And you stand countered SIR!
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post.
OK, we do agree on the Note 7. I could write paragraphs about that. Not all Note 7 had problems, but Samsung proved (by bricking all the Note 7 to force people to turn in their phones) if you don't root your phone the OEM/carrier still owns your phone. You didn't buy it, you are really renting it.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. I would have bought an open market G6 with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, more internal storage. They were ALL regionalized. An "all spec" G6 would have been a winner (Qi wireless, quad DAC, more than 32GB storage) -- but LG didn't want to make it "too good". Because it would have been better than the recent V20, especially with the almost zero bezel design. So, they felt they had to bring it down a notch, by regionalizing the specs.
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owners. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place. See the G6 example and even the silly G5. LG would never put those bottom removable mods on their precious V series! And they shouldn't have done it to the G.
If LG had never done the V series -- if they had just concentrated on making ONE phone the best -- the G series would have become better and better instead of the circus sideshow the G5 was.
G4 was an iterative update to the G3. I stand by that. You need to look up the meaning of the word iterative. Just like the 2018 Samsung S9 is expected to be an iterative update to the 2017 Galaxy S8. There will be some slight improvements. The G4 was slight improvement over the G3.
I owned a G4 for a short period of time and specifically did not want a leather back. I always put a case on my phones, to protect the back and the screen (from flat drops onto the floor).
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. What mistake. They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.They added video controls and better recording audio which nobody had. A robust and unique looking phone also with a replaceable battery.
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Why didn't they add those video controls and better audio to the G4 to make it a FANTASTIC phone? Or to the next year's G5? They were "saving" their better stuff for the V10 and V20. That's been LG's problem. Rather than make 2 GREAT phones per year, they seem concerned about making 1.5 great phones per year.
With the 2017 G6, LG got back on good design track -- but messed up by regionalizing the spec. A "full spec" G6 in early 2017 (even with Snapdragon 821) would have competed with S8/s8+ -- and then the V30 was an evolved version of the G6. However, LG didn't do a full spec G6 until JULY 2017, and called it the G6+. It's was a different phone, a separate release MONTHS later from the G6. But served no real purpose, as it still had Snapdragon 821, when everybody and their brother had already released Snapdragon 835 phones. But the mid-year G6+ is what the early 2017 G6 should have been.
They also messed up because LG doesn't know how to RELEASE a phone. You can't just ANNOUNCE it, you have to also ship it. Their regionalized, Snapdragon 821 G6 phone SHIPPED at the same time the Galaxy S8/S8+ was shipping. If they could have actually BEATEN Samsung to market with a full spec G6, it would have worked.
I'm happy with the V30, but I feel like LG wasted two years and a ton of money trying to create two separate phone series, when they needed to just concentrate on making ONE excellent phone.
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Didn't LG change their mind and decide there will be a G7 now, just not called, G7? I don't think anyone at LG knows their own ass from a blowhole of a porpoise!
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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You understand wrong, and I don't have time to correct the other nonsense in your post. You corrected or countered nothing.
No G6 had all the specs, not even Asian. Believe me, I researched this. They were all regionalized.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
Show me the same incidence of bootlooped G5 & V20's. Who here can do that. I've hung in those communities for well over a year. Not seeing the numbers in comparison to the G4 & V10.
The Asian G6 doesn't have wireless charging. Big deal. It came with 64GB and an audio dac which were missing on euro & American variants for no good reason. This is why you say they didn't want to make the G good enough. Well, it applies to this year only which would make it an exception. I would not be using this reasoning for the previous two years. THAT is what i'm challenging
I never said there was "tension" between G and V owers. I said the V10 was a mistake in hindsight, because it clearly made LG not want to give the G series as good or better specs than the V series. LG mentally (means in their own minds) demoted to the G series to 2nd place.
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Why does your argument not apply to the Note series ? the Note always had the best specs until the 5 because its a non-sensical argument
You may not have said there was any tension but the point stands, nobody felt short changed when the V series came out if they had a G prior. I actually picked up a G after the V10 came out. The weird reduction in specs for the G6 is an exception compared to the previous two years. We've discussed that already and agree the blame lies entirely with LG's decisions this year
Could the same be said about the one plus 5 and the T? No, because the T is a better spec'd 5 as is the case with the 3
People are going to point to sales numbers to make their point. I'm talking about what they've done.
I picked up a V20 before the V30 came out and was surprised at how aggressive their pricing was in India. It's moving but not at the same extent as the 5T but then the 5T isn't as good as the V30+
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Right. There's been competing stories out there. The "current" rumor is they will ship an upgraded V30, called the V30 A (for artificial intelligence). Then later when Snapdragon 845 is available, they will ship a new phone that would have been the G7, but now will be called something else. Maybe.
It is smart to wait for Snapdragon 845. It's never a good idea to ship "last year's" chipset in a flagship phone, especially after your main competitor has shipped a phone with the newer chipset. LG could have gotten away with it last year in the G6 if they had thrown in the kitchen sink with specs -- but they seemingly didn't want the V20 to look bad in comparison. So, they pulled their punches by regionalizing the specs, and Samsung's S8/S8+ just looked so much better AND had Snapdragon 835.
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I agree the SD845 is worth waiting for. Whatever the G7 is going to be called is supposed to get the 6GB of RAM treatment too. Both of those things are worth the wait. I haven't seen anything about whether or not they are going to keep the dual front cameras that the G7 was supposed to have. I am not a selfie person so I don't really care either way, but t would be nice to have a slightly better front camera than came with the V30/V30+.
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If you think its nonsense then you are merely disagreeing. I didn't disagree, i challenged. If you don't challenge then what i said stands until such time someone actually does. That's how it works. Take your time i can defend everything i've said there. Even if the whole board piles on.
The series of LG phones you think are lame i would say is LG at its best trying to imbue their products with a sense of identity. Trying to go one up challenging themselves with each model. Four times over two years. 2015 was a fantastic year for them, left everybody in the rear view mirror. I was very interested to see what they would do next. You don't seem to appreciate that for some reason
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
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10nm process meant non availability. LG has this bee in their bonnet where they have to be first out the gate or perceived that way. quad hd screen on the G3 ? was that necessary. So to beat sammy meant the G6 had to come out before the S8. I don't have an issue with the 820, it was the differing regional builds that queered it up
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
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I don't have a problem with the idea of mods. You can knock the implementation and in the end you didn't need any mods to run the G5 which was a pretty fine phone in itself. Provided you ignored what the reviewers were saying about intangibles like design. Why refuse the phone if you don't want the mds. I prefer to have options and not need them than the other way around
JBL sound boost, will beat any phone speaker ever made. The battery mod will boost battery life on the motos. No replaceable battery any more well, this is how you do it from the OEM who tried to standardise connections so 3rd parties could join. There is future proof-ness with mods. Offering alternatives. This is the Android way. You don't want to be in a world where all phones are the same. one company only makes screens. That same one company also makes CPU's
iphones have a ton of 3rd party add ons. will you refuse an iphone because these alternatives exist. of course not so why slam an OEM when they offer them, In fact they above all will do a much better job than any 3rd party could. Every time.
If you question whether mods are worth the money then that is a different question. Mods from one phone will not work with another and hence are a waste of money. But look at people overspending on X & pixels & surfaces. It's about indulgence. There is no reasoning with them,
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
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Giving credit where its due
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
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I'm fine with one phone a year or even one phone every two years. Gives them time to design and come out with something good. it also means updates will be more timely and reliable. Trying to put out phones every six months is a crazy schedule it leads to small improvements where you need to skip at least two models to feel you actually got an upgrade. And at times a downgraded because some things get removed. Aren't others ding the same. Who then buys the phones they put out.
But there is this fear if they aren't in the public eye then its a slow death. LG scaled back on their ads after the G3. When the G3 came out i got hammered by ads every day for a full month whenever i watched a phone related yutube video. It got to the point i was so fed up. Then it suddenly stopped. I've never seen an LG ad on youtube since. I've got to go look for them. G4 ? nobody heard of it. The shops didn't stock demo models because LG didn't pay the rent. I had to go searching in the city until i fund a store that did.
The commissions on samsung, apple, lower end phones are better so i find more shops stocking them.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
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Ah, the moto max/turbo. For some reason that phone didn't get the traction it deserved. I remember watching reviews and you got this feeling that it was very fast and smooth.
The only weak point with moto's is the camera. They always seem to be more than a year behind. LG otoh was in the forefront, not quite these days though but good enough. MXP was also an 808, no bootloop problem there. it really beggars belief how LG, a company in the business for over ten years could have made boot loop prone phones
MXP also had the same ergonomic tapering design with good grip that just disappeared in 2016 where it became boring 'premium' glass & metal. Slippery as hell, fingerprints galore, prone to damage. not fit for life. Phones are meant to be used not just looked at.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
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Except the camera on the axon isn't going to hold a candle to the G5. Only Chinese phone that gets there are the huawei's P10's & mate which came out the year after. heh.
Availability. If you put lineage on the axon 7 you have a cheap phone with updates and no spyware/bloatware.
The only thing LG had to do was front facing speakers. They have shied away from it. The G5 could have incorporated a dac without requiring a mod. In the US it was the FCC that required each and every mod to be cleared. Adding mods changes the radio pattern it seems. Their mods weren't available in the US. Moto somehow satisifed this requirement. This was a slip up on LG's part.
You see how subtle the difference is here. No point having mods if they aren't available.
Pixel has a better camera if you're the one who wants to just point and click. Not having access to manual options limits creativity. Those manual options i use less than 5% of the time but i would not give them u because they offer just the edge others do not have. Sammy & huawei excepted.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I will agree with the underlined bit only when it comes to this year and the G6 & V30. Which means you are commenting on a very specific point in time. That is what i want to highlight to readers. I'm taking a longer view. Tactics changed this year, not necessarily for the better
If LG are facing trouble its because the market is very competitive. Some missteps along the way. Too little advertising and when they do announce something taking several months to put it out. high prices for phones across the board. No wonder people run to the plus 5.
V30 in blue is very attractive.
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Android for me does not mean stock. It means having hardware options. Micro sd, camera, headphone jack, replaceable battery, mods even
The custom skins the Koreans use does not trouble me. it does imply a longer lead time with updates but i'd rather get an OS upgrade six months after google puts it out and know that developers for all the apps i use had sufficient time to make their apps compatible. Everything works.
ChazzMatt said:
You don't seem to understand. LG is in a jam for a reason. They have FAILED financially in their mobile division when they started off about equally in design and reputation with Samsung a few years ago.
They've made a series of mistakes where they didn't innovate like they should have, to cause people to buy their phones. Or made really stupid design mistakes like "last year's Snapdragon" or marketing mistakes like regionalizing the specs on a FLAGSHIP PHONE. That sends a clear signal your G series isn't that important.
That mods idea on the G series was just stupid. Remove the bottom of the phone... Any mods means you left something out in the first place. But the way they implemented it was beyond crazy. I criticize Motorola for their mods too, but at least theirs is designed better -- and they are a sub-brand of Lenovo, not a full fledged company! I refuse to buy a phone with mods.
My narrative EXPLAINS everything LG did wrong, while your narrative says everything is quite FANTASTIC.
Yet, they are shaking up their mobile division for the nth time. They now report to VP instead of the CEO (the mobile division has been demoted in LG hierarchy). They've floated rumors of maybe releasing one flagship phone per year instead of two. "As needed", they said.
And to me, that's the whole point. They need to go back to ONE flagship phone per year and make that the best phone possible.
I am an LG fan, but I can also see where they went wrong -- which is why the V30 is the first LG phone I've bought as a daily driver in 3 years. (not counting some G2 I bought off eBay to be back up phones). I've worked on lots of LG G2, G3 and won a 2015 G4 --which I quickly sold because it wasn't as good as my 2014 Moto XT1225.
Look at the specs of even the ZTE Axon 7 (which competes quite well with the 2016 Pixel XL) and look at the 2016 LG G5.
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/ZTE-Axon-7,LG-G5/phones/10068,9819?ft=2
The G5 is clearly inferior in every way. The ZTE Axon 7 has the same 1440p 5.5" Samsung AMOLED display the Pixel would use later in the year (yes the exact same part number). Award winning quad DAC. Yes, from ZTE. Front facing stereo speakers. Snapdragon 820/64GB internal memory/4GB RAM + microSD slot. All for $450. THAT is the phone LG should have made for the LG G5. The ZTE Axon 7 has even as good hardware specs or better than the months-later Google Pixel XL, if you ignore the slight differences between 820/821 chipset. And yes, the Pixel has a better camera -- but that was really software. And ZTE Axon 7 looked much better than the Pixel XL with its huge bezels.
I joked at the time Google should buy 1 million ZTE Axon 7, slap on their software, mark up the price and release THAT as the Pixel XL!
LG should have done the same.
LG has messed up the past few years -- ever since the G3, in trying to split features between two different phones. Neither one was what the public really wanted, and sales shows that. Internally, it's clear LG favored the V series over the G series. Plus, their poor quality control for a couple of years didn't help either.
That's the narrative that explains the mess, when they are a huge corporation the size of Samsung, located in the same country.
I have three LG V30/30+ -- so I think they have a winner in this phone. But they are still paying in public reputation.
The last LG phone I recommended to people before the V30 was the LG G3.
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I really like the V30/V30+ design as well. For the first time in a very long time, LG produced a phone that looked as decent as the specs. I also prefer the wide-angle camera over the 2x zoom you find on most phones and also in comparison to a monochrome sensor. Where I think LG failed, at least witht he V30/V30+ comes right from the LG US Support Twitter message reply as to why there are so many non-uniform screens on V30/V30+'s.
"Hi there! Thank you for taking the time in reaching us out. Now, in regards to your concern, the color variation that you mentioned on e display of the V30 is not considered as a defect. It is caused by the P-OLED(Plastic-OLED) variation of luminance in production process characteristics. You can increase the brightness of the display to lessen or to eliminate the symptom."
Basically saying a fault in the process is a characteristic, not a defect, is such a crock! Answers and policies like that will lead to their mobile division being non-existent sooner than later.
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think
krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think
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G7 has no 18:9 aspect ratio i think its around 19,5:9 (i think this doesnt matter, i think your were relating to small bezels i guess)
The other Pros seem legit.
About the cons:
I would not care so much about the charger.
I would suggest to wait for reviews here in the forum and youtubers to judge the battery. I think it will be similar to the S8. (people will argue that they claim the screen is 30% more efficient and that it has 2 generations newer SoC but at the end of the day, your have an octacore flagship SoC and a 1000nit bright screen... this is sucking all batteries dry dont fool yourself. especially if you buy the phone for the bright mode and the high performance (you mentioned that these are important to you) there is no reason in arguing that the battery life will be any good. from what i heard the boost is 3min maximum because the phone overheates after that... you can guess that its the battery overheating since its draining so fast. this is bad for battery lifetime in general as well as battery life througout the day)
I am not sure what your mean with the sim card slot. But if you need 2 sim cards, i guess you will have to manage with the 64/128 gig of storage. i think thats enough for most people.
I dont think that the V40 will arrive with Android P. I think it will take them longer. The V30 did not arrive with Oreo as far a i know.
I belive though that the Price will drop rapidly. The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros. You dont need to know anything about Euros to see that the price dropped significantly in a short period of time. If you wait for the V40, you can decide for yourself what is the better phone but when it arrives the G7 will probably be down to 60% of its starting price.
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G7 has no 18:9 aspect ratio i think its around 19,5:9 (i think this doesnt matter, i think your were relating to small bezels i guess)
The other Pros seem legit.
About the cons:
I would not care so much about the charger.
I would suggest to wait for reviews here in the forum and youtubers to judge the battery. I think it will be similar to the S8. (people will argue that they claim the screen is 30% more efficient and that it has 2 generations newer SoC but at the end of the day, your have an octacore flagship SoC and a 1000nit bright screen... this is sucking all batteries dry dont fool yourself. especially if you buy the phone for the bright mode and the high performance (you mentioned that these are important to you) there is no reason in arguing that the battery life will be any good. from what i heard the boost is 3min maximum because the phone overheates after that... you can guess that its the battery overheating since its draining so fast. this is bad for battery lifetime in general as well as battery life througout the day)
I am not sure what your mean with the sim card slot. But if you need 2 sim cards, i guess you will have to manage with the 64/128 gig of storage. i think thats enough for most people.
I dont think that the V40 will arrive with Android P. I think it will take them longer. The V30 did not arrive with Oreo as far a i know.
I belive though that the Price will drop rapidly. The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros. You dont need to know anything about Euros to see that the price dropped significantly in a short period of time. If you wait for the V40, you can decide for yourself what is the better phone but when it arrives the G7 will probably be down to 60% of its starting price.
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Thanks for taking your time and reply to the post. I will surely wait for some weeks to get more reviews and then decide.
Btw why do you think V40 wont come with Android P, I got V20 with Nougat before anyother device with latest android in that period.
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The G6 was 700 Euros in Germany and 2 months later already it was down to 450 Euros.
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How much does V30 cost now in DE after half year and how big is it's price loss?
krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40?
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I'm eager to buy G7, in my case it probably would be 128/6Gb variant. I'm tired waiting for specbump, 845 seems to be lots better over 820 in V20. I'm sitting on V20, too. As for V40 it's too long to wait, and still I'm almost sure it'll have same 845 , same 6Gb and only difference might be OLED, just tad bit better quality than V30. Is it worth waiting another 6 month? IDTS, I don't think so.
Probably MI7 or 1+6, U12 will be some overwhelming devices, and I'd prefer one of them to G7, anyway G7 won't appear until June
If until June Youtubers will show some major problems with G7 I'll then retreat and buy V30 or Pixel2XL instead and then happily wait for V40
V30 is like 500€ on Amazon right now, started at 900€ last December, arrived pretty late. By that time nobody wanted to buy it lol they just take too long to make it available in Europe. Like 3 months after presentation.
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By that time nobody wanted to buy it lol they just take too long to make it available in Europe. Like 3 months after presentation.
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Whatever. Like if LG had made it available in September on Europe Amazon somebody would've bought it for 900 €. No. Nobody. It would lay on shelves the same until price eventually dropped to 400 €
On your reason for waiting for the V40 as it might support dual sim AND a separate SD card slot, I don't think it will. The V30 ThinQ has the same configuration as the LG G6/G7 (https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v30s_thinq-9090.php), so you give up SIM 2 for the SD card. I thought I was going to be disappointed when I got my dual SIM G6 because of this, but I wasn't. I keep both SIMs in full time, and as @0alfred0 said, I have enough memory on the phone and don't really need it anyway.
@krk2krk you bought g7 bro? Am interested if we can unlock the bootloader of Indian version. Or what version is that we are getting? Any idea
There is a lot I like about this phone. Great sound, good screen and decent brightness with a loud speaker. Be prepared for bad battery life. LG just doesn't optimize well. My HTC u11 has the same size battery and getting 7 hours sot was normal. I once got 9 hours sot.
I just purchased a battery case which adds 4700 mah to the existing 3000. Now I can run at max brightness and max resolution.
fernando sor said:
. Now I can run at max brightness and max resolution.
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Does resolution even effect this phones battery?
fernando sor said:
Be prepared for bad battery life. LG just doesn't optimize well. My HTC u11 has the same size battery and getting 7 hours sot was normal. I once got 9 hours sot
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That's wrong. U11 had 835 SoC which is much more cooler and energy efficient than 845 which is hot and power hungry. U11 is suited to compare with LG V30, V30 had same battery life to U11 because same SoC
And also U11 had much less bright screen, with max brightness around 350nit, MAX. G7 in daylight boosts to 1000nit, while U11 will keep 350 only. Because of that U11 will show better battery life, you just may keep your G7's brightness at 80% without auto on to keep its brightness at 350-400nits. If you turn autobrightness in G7 on than it'll suck juice very quicker than U11
krk2krk said:
Hello Everyone,
I am fan of LG and using LG V20 currently. I have used Optimus Black, G, G3 in the past years and I could not leave LG for many reasons. So here is my question. Will it be good if I buy G7 now or shall I wait for LG V40? Most importantly I am from India and If I buy G7, I will get G7 with Quad DAC.
I am not sure why G7 released with Oreo 8.0 not 8.1 (New Software upgrade center team wont have time to give 8.1 to latest flagship??)
As far as the early reviews I like G7 for the below features.
1. 16 MP wide angle CAM and AI enabled Primary CAM
2. 18:9 display, Brightest screen with 1000 Nits.
3. Obviously latest SD845
I don't like G7 for the below
1. QC 3.0 charger in the box even though phone supports 4.0
2. Less battery compared to V20 and V30
3. Hybrid Sim slot. V20 has dedicated slot.
Biggest reason why I can think of skipping G7 and wait for V40
Hope V40 will come with Android P since in a month or so my V20 will have 8.0. so buying G7 wont make any difference I think
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I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features. Especially battery life will be better as it will be equipped with an OLED panel
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I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features
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It'll cost at minimum $950 at least until Christmas
Ashish.akc said:
@krk2krk you bought g7 bro? Am interested if we can unlock the bootloader of Indian version. Or what version is that we are getting? Any idea
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Nope Bro. I decided to go with V40.
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I recommend waiting for the V40 as it will be a better device with much better features. Especially battery life will be better as it will be equipped with an OLED panel
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I am waiting for V40 currently. I hope people seen the leaked render of V40 and it has 5 cameras. I am really looking forward to buy a phone with latest Android now. I am sure that G7 will get 9.0 next year.
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It'll cost at minimum $950 at least until Christmas
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G7 released in India for 570$ and I hope LG now understand well about getting customers who buy their flagship phone. so V40 will come around 600$ in India.
krk2krk said:
G7 released in India for 570$ and I hope LG now understand well about getting customers who buy their flagship phone. so V40 will come around 600$ in India.
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Around Summer '19? Yeah. You know that G7 is a half-year old phone? So it's selling for $600 everywhere around the world
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Around Summer '19? Yeah. You know that G7 is a half-year old phone? So it's selling for $600 everywhere around the world
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Agree but waiting for few months to get a flagship for 600$ is good right
Waiting for few months till summer '19 means you get 8 months old not so top flagship phone. It isn't very smart idea, is it?
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Agree but waiting for few months to get a flagship for 600$ is good right
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Of course. I'm too still waiting for price drop of G7. What I mean is just that lg is not selling G7 in India cheap. From the start. It's about time to announce V40 and price for G7 dropped to 600 so LG are starting to bring g7 on not so rich markets.
BTW is G7 sold in India "made in India" also? As I've read V30 had been assembled in India,probably V40 will be too
Billy Madison said:
Of course. I'm too still waiting for price drop of G7. What I mean is just that lg is not selling G7 in India cheap. From the start. It's about time to announce V40 and price for G7 dropped to 600 so LG are starting to bring g7 on not so rich markets.
BTW is G7 sold in India "made in India" also? As I've read V30 had been assembled in India,probably V40 will be too
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You are right on that.
I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
There is no other phone that compares. Price for what specs you get. Not sure why people complain about getting updates every month. We get it at least bi-monthly.
From what I see, the Pixel 4XL and Galaxy S10 Plus are both around $900 compared to the OnePlus at $600. That's already a big difference right there. I don't know about Sonys devices. I don't think they are all that popular in the U.S. My device is on the February security patch. Along with the apparent statement that they are doing bi-monthly updates, the coronavirus has also probably slowed things down a bit. I came from an LG V30 and if you want to talk about slow updates, look no further than LG. Is the phone the best device available? No. But overall, I think this is the best option in this price range. And I have nothing to complain about.
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ISamsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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Really? Get them then!
Oh, don't forget the special circumstances the world is facing. And also, the size of both companies.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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I did that is why I'm saying that the OP7T is just meh, for cheaper prices you get better phones, OOS is nice don't get me wrong, the OS is very fast, but just wished for a better battery, camera and other perks like IP rating, here in the UK it rains a lot, so any protection against that is welcome, at the moment I think the best Price to performance ration are Sony phones (used, like new condition), you get near stock Android, monthly updates and very good cameras (xperia 1 and 5 at least), all this for less then £300, my only complaint about Sony is the fingerprint placement, could not get use to it, that was the reason for selling it.
And don't believe that OP is a small company, they want to make you think that, but they're owned by BBK, one of the biggest phone companies at the moment.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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Ok, not a oneplus salesman, but i think i should say this:
- First you should not compare the prices of used phones with new ones, that's simply not fair. 400 pounds for a note 10? New? Nah.
- Better camera? K, it may not be the very best, but i think it's quite competent.
- IP rating? Is that you really want? Just because they haven't IP rating, doesn't mean they aren't water proof. Oneplus is water proof at least 2 or 3 models ago.
For me, having fast, fluid and clean OS beats any spam that samsung or other brands have on their phones. I got a xiaomi phone months ago. Waiting 2 weeks (sometimes even more) just to unlock the bootloader? Nah... K, the camera is good, but then, the software is just meh.
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I agree with you, I prefer the OnePlus fluid OS over Samsung and any other phone out there and not too mention here in the US OnePlus is much cheaper, and people forget that this Corona virus played a huge part with OnePlus being delayed on their updates, before all of this I could of sworn they was on point with their updates that I could remember unless I'm mistaken. Samsung makes great phone but their software is meh, same with other phone manufacturer, if it ain't stock Android I don't want it, I'm already too spoiled with it.
I just got a T-Mobile OP7T that was $499. It is currently on February security patch. I will be switching to Beta once I get the unlock bin. Beta 2 in on March security patch.
To me every phone I look at is a comprise somewhere. I care about the software experience the most so I go for oneplus. Im not a fan for samsung UI. This is the best camera Ive had on a smart phone but im coming from Moto X4 and OP6T. The camera is sufficient for my personal needs. You do you. I enjoy my OP7T but get the phone that works best for you.
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Being a developer friendly device ia the number 1 advantage. Price vs performance is the 2nd for me. If you researched before buying the 7t about wireless charging and ip rating, then you are at fault. The battery life is phenomenal for me because i know what im installing and what not.
Go get urself an iphone. I feel like oneplus 7t is too complicated for you.
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Uhh someone got offended... I've been flashing and repairing phones for 10 years and nowadays, there's no real advantages to flashing custom ROMs, they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times), nowadays keeping the bootloader locked is just fine, GCAMs work great on most phones now, customisation is also possible without rooting, so what do you need custom ROMs nowadays? If Price vs Performace and dev friendly is what you want, Xiaomi phones are way cheaper, yes you have to wait a while to get the bootloader unlocked, but once that time has passed, you normally have great Dev support, with great Pixel Experience ROMs.
iOS sure I use them sometimes, but I get bored of them quickly and I have enough experience with multiple brands to get to this conclusion, I got the 7t to see what the fuss was all about, I knew what I was going to get into in terms of features and that is why I was expecting more. In the used marked this brand is not worth it, that's all I'm saying, I always buy used, never going to pay for a new phone if used they are so much cheaper and look like new, if I was looking into a new OP7T and a new S10+ I get it, but in the used marked, there's so better alternatives.
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they are sometimes unstable, you lose some functionality (Android Pay, banking apps, etc) and camera quality takes a hit (most times)
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This.... Obviously you dont know what you are doing in order to fix those "functionality". Lots of stuff you can do to fix those. You might be one of those thinking that oh ill buy the 7t cause they said she said he said. and then vents out its not perfect. lmao.
What it all boils down to is personal preference. Personally I would buy a used OP over any other used phone, especially Samsung. Do they make excellent devices, yes, without doubt. But their OneUI or whatever the OS skin they are using is a huge drawback IMO. A dedicated button for a personal assistant that the average user can't remap... it just doesn't make sense to me. I don't like when something that should be an option is forced upon me like that. My wife loves Samsung phones. She has the s10 but hates the bixby button. I had the 6t but broke the screen. So I was using my wife's previous Note 8 phone for a month or two until the 7t was released. I was able to remap the bixby button with a pc and adb. My wife would never have been able to figure that out and I'm assuming most Samsung users don't have any idea what remapping hardware buttons even means. The only good phone I remember LG releasing was the Nexus 5.... again personal opinion. For me cameras aren't a big deal... I can honestly tell you that if I take pictures of my kids opening presents on either my 7t or my wife's s10 and then post them to social media not 1 person will say "OMG what kind of phone took those ****ty/awsome photos!" Nobody will be able to tell or care enough to scrutinize each and every picture. I was not huge into photography before smart phones and I still am not. I take pictures during certain events in my life.. Not for photo competitions. IP rating.. OP has addressed this many times. The only reason they have not gotten certified is bc the cost would trickle down to the consumer. Their phones have been waterproof for a couple generations now... just w/o the sticker that says so.. kinda like a marriage license. If you get married, but lose the piece of paper that proves it, does that mean I am no longer married? I'm sure my wife would strongly disagree. The other drawback I hear ppl complain about is wireless charging. I personal don't care.. I charge my phone @ night or in the car... granted I did buy the warp car charger and it's awesome... but other then that I don't care... It takes maybe 2 seconds to plug in my phone rather then just set it down... have we really got that lazy? I bought my wife a wireless charging pad for her Samsung phones... and she doesn't use it.. ever. Don't ask me why.. I've asked... but she doesn't know why. For me personally it's all about the user experience or the software. I don't flash custom roms anymore.. but alot of ppl do. OnePlus is very Dev friendly. I do however root my phone with Magisk. If I purchase a phone, any, phone that is my property. If I want to get into the system files and **** everything up that is my choice. It is becoming damn near impossible to have that choice on other brands especially Samsung. Its even getting harder on OP devices... but nothing like Samsung. Not being able to root a phone that I paid for... that is my property.. Is a complete deal breaker for me. It is also why I will never buy any phone that is Verizon branded. So I guess I will end where I started.. It all boils down to personal preference. I didn't realize this was so long lol... sorry
Yeah, i agree, but most people don't care root stuff. They just want a ready to use phone.
I am feeling a bit fed up with so many google apps on the phone....
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I recently got the OP7T and a few others before this one and there are some things that are just meh... One of them is, the famous line that most big youtube tech reviews say, "Oneplus is famous for timely updates" but is it really? Mine is still on the Jan security update, the Samsung Note 10 and the Sony Xperia 5 I had before, those were getting security updates every month, not saying that this is a deal breaker, the phone is fast and fluid with the stock Android experience, but bashing other manufacturers compared to the OP, saying that OP is very good with updates, that is simply not true. A few more reasons why Oneplus is just meh, the price, sure at launch it's hard to beat, but in the used market there are way better alternatives, here in the UK at least, Pixel 4 XL are around £450, Xperia 1 and 5 are around £280, Samsung S10 Plus around £350 and Samsung Note 10 are around £400, now the OP holds value for longer for sure, example, the OP7T 128gb is still around 400, but you're compromising compared to the other flagships, no wireless charging, no IP Rating, meh battery life, meh cameras and slow rollout of security updates, now that I've used multiple brands, this phone made me realise, OP is no longer worth it, at least for me, it is still a great phone don't get me wrong, but just imagine, I've seen Samsung S20 Plus going for £750 and this is a week after being on sale, now imaging when OP8 comes out, the current flagships will be even cheaper and probably better then the OP8, for less :/ they sure need all the paid reviewers to hype this brand, because they have settled for high prices and meh features. There is a simple solution though, release at the same time as Samsung and then the prices will make sense, waiting for OP, means cheaper real flagships.
This is just my opinion, would like to hear your thoughts about this.
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You're a privileged guy in a privileged country.
From where I am, all the other phones you mentioned are at around twice the price of the OnePlus 7T, brand new.
The only other value for buck phones we have here are Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, and Realme.
this brand is expensive because you're being robbed of {long list of features} and their software developments costs are near zero. what's next. remove display? stop creating 1+ wallpapers per model to save few more bucks? hard to believe an alternative "flagship" brand does opposite of what such companies normally did - remove SD card, jack, Qi, Qc, IP etc. Exactly opposite to #NeverSettle slogan.
personally i'm going to suffer with 7T model for couple of months til Xperia 1.2 comes. That's how i imagine a flagship: no bs notch, bezels to finally hold your phone better, SD, jack, Qi, IP, 21:9 screen.. all perfect. 100% flagship.
however there are superlatives about OnePlus brand:
* battery - best of the market
* speed - best of the market
* community support or rootabilty - best of the market
some tech advances were great : they got fast refresh screens sooner, they got under display fingerprint sooner (samsung's still doesn't work well while generations 6T -> 7 -> 7T -> 8 already exist) and "invisible features" are still premium (wifi speeds, call clarity, speakers performance etc).
camera is great. so what's missing?
all i hate is iphone style removing of features and lowcost brand style of not paying for licences. i hate having 10 Qc3 chargers and not being able to charge the phone fast in any location because they don't want to pay the licence. i hate having Qi charger next to bed and not able to comfortably place the phone on it, and pick it up multiple times without struggle of using cable.
so what's the direction of the brand then?
90hz/120hz is already boring and no new innovation in sight.
well.. they have to go back to the roots.
model 8 will bring "back" wireless charging and IP68.
and if no more innovation in next iteration, they will have to bring SD card and jack.