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I feel like expressing myself about the roms and kernels available right now for S3;

I've been around since cyanogenmod was just another rom along with bugless beast and whatever the hell was running things on eclair/mytouch and ive compiled kernels hundreds of times back when slackware linux 3.5 was out so i feel like im somewhat of a vet and i appreciate the fact that i have a nice little linux device permanently connected to a broadband connection with so much support in a neat little package.
=)!
and yet i never say anything on XDA i just appreciate... unfortunately i cant post in the development forum because i dont say much ;/
big thumbs up to cyanogenmod for taking their work so seriously and being so persistent, you guys must really love what you do, trust me i know the feeling =]
i just got this phone last week and before i did anything i rooted and installed the latest CM with whatever kernel appealed to me in the dev forum and i thought seriously my screen was defective i had no idea it was just a rom/kernel issue so im glad that over with.
i updated to cm22, and the flicker started again when using the 4/20 KT kernel so ill just stick with cm20 +kt420 for now what an unbelievable combo!
and i'm kinda disappointed in AOKP every time i check the AOKP/task thread somebody is always complaining about something that doesn't work... AOKP used to be my favorite. (when the ICS days began atleast.. i loved it on my gnex)
and by the way... to people having problems flashing between kernels, when you flash a kernel, wipe cache/dalvik, then flash the rom again, then gapps, then the new kernel. kernels include more things than just addition lines of code nowadays and thats the simplest way to work around most issues i see people posting about.
that is all!

Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.

task650 said:
Somebody is always complaining about things not working? I see every post in my thread and I don't see what you are talking about. 99.9% of the people that post state how well everything works. The people that complain are the ones that don't follow the simple installation instructions. You might need to read through the thread again. Or just try it out for yourself.
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+1, agreed.
Just like the guy who wants to request a theme for a rom, that morphology has for that same rom.
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from the skyrocket which had a pretty good community I am really pleased with what developers do in their spare time and decide to share when it comes to this device.
There are so many options it can keep a flash junkie busy for a while.
Keep up the great work devs!
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I love these threads....I have an idea: If you are disappointed why don't you step up and create a solution or make your own ROM? Its easy to complain about FREE work when you don't contribute whatsoever.

True, don't complain about something people spend all their time on and give away for free ...
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We have a large dev community compared to many devices out there. I actually came from a galaxy nexus because I got bored of only aosp roms that were all pretty much the same.

(sorry, had to do it )

Tasks AOKP is by far the best ROM out there for the AT&T S3. I have run it longer than any other ROM i've tried and have had absolutely zero problems with it. I will never use anything else for this phone. Just my personal experience of course.

Whoaa guys ease up on the bashing... OP had only one sentence in his post that was negative everything else was positive.
I think everyone appreciates the hard work and time that devs put into all the different roms/kernels available out there.

Up until the late, I can agree that the 3.4 kernel builds (for any ROM including Tasks) weren't all that great which is why I was using CarbonROM with the BMS kernel (3.0).
But I updated to Tasks 4/23 and everything has been great...super super smooth.

Tasks updated kernel has been smooth. I'm running his newest now, flashes it a few hours ago and love it. The devs for the S3 are wonderful. So many more options than other android phones I've had in the past.
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If I'm reading right, OP is disappointed in AOKP and Task's AOKP.... and hasn't tried them yet?
It takes me longer to download a ROM than it does to flash it, restore data and check out all the main features for functionallity..... and you're calling them out by name without trying them?
Gutsy move.

Nothing wrong with AOKP and we have a fantastic aosp community. They seem to be more active then the original development. If anything I'm disappointed with the lack of touchwiz ROMs. All and all. We have a good community and a good group of developers here. /end thread.
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This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back

3rd party ROMs are always works in progress. its not like anyone here is hiding the fact that these are all "in development". not all ROMs are "for" everyone, but that's the beauty of it, there's a flavor for everyone.
I personally prefer ROMs that are subtle improvements to the stock experience which give me a more enhanced version of what Samsung intended. BUT, there are times I'll think about getting a nexus 4, so I'll run a aosp/cm/aokp based ROM while scratching that itch. or those days I wished I had a note 2, we've got options with multi window and page buddy fully working.
if you don't like it, don't use it... simple as that. I've never critisized a ROM or developer if I don't "get" their work, that just means its not a good fit for me and I move on.

andy55 said:
This thread sucks, I want the last 5 minutes back
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Here you go, enjoy!

Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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blaker13 said:
Task and his minions bashing another nice guy stating his appreciation...... Big surprise.
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Huh?
1.) Looks as though you forgot something as simple as reading. Read my post again. If you consider any of that one post as bashing then I think you might need to check the emotional state you are in at the time that you read it.
2.) You're definitely not reading the OP. He pretty much stated that he hasn't even tried the ROM before judging it. That right there speaks for itself.
3.) Please do yourself a favor and grow up a little. Stirring up the pot with the highschool antics doesnt accomplish anything.
4.) Gold stars for you dude. Keep on contributing this wasteful drama here in a development site. That makes a ton of sense.

[Q] Developers

Our community seems small. How many developers do we have?

I'm getting ready to release my first ROM for this phone.
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Reefer Madness said:
Our community seems small. How many developers do we have?
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More than enough. Not really small. We just don't have 30 copies of the same ROM like most lol.
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cstrife999 said:
More than enough. Not really small. We just don't have 30 copies of the same ROM like most lol.
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This^ Previous phone was the GNex and it was unbelievable how many variants and kangs there were for CM10, AOKP, etc. I ran a lot of them but in the end there wasn't all that much that was different from the original rom. In a lot of cases, the variant ran worse.
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Quality is always better than quantity
Like was mentioned above, some phones have 200 Rom threads, but really what's the difference between the Rom? They (aosp variants) are 90% cm based with varying mods pulled from aokp source with pa stuff as well
Really, no disrespect intended those 3 aosp roms are all that matter as everything else is just mashed up and derivative of them
As for sense, you only really need a few roms as well; something stock for those who only want root and a few basic mods, some kind of aroma Rom with user configurable options, and or a rom with a lot if built in mods (well you don't need them lol)
Really imo if you have 5 or 6 roms that meet the above criteria you are set
Unless you have a need to flash a different rom every day that has 1 more bs script or 1 different mod in it
The end user doesn't always see the forest from the trees

I agree with what has been said already. Quality is better than quantity... My old S2 had about 194873 ^6 worth of different roms. Touchwiz this and AOSP that and don't forget the AOKP, with CM and a side of Sense ports. In the end I dropped myself on a really good rom called The Blu Kuban which was headed up by rujelus22 over in the Epic 4g Touch development forum. I ran that rom for about 18 months before I nix'd my device and went over to the red side here at Verizon. I heard he went forth to the S4 and has kept that rom's traditions alive. He was one dev who was helped by the many and made a rom that many made their daily drivers just like I did.
I know we have a good community over here as well as even before beaups dropped rumrunner on us we had a few devs tinkering with their roms.
Now remember! A community is only as good as the people around it. Support your devs any way you can if it's simple donations or a click of the thanks buttons. But most of all, be part of the community. List the bugs you find in the roms, mods, and tweaks. Help the devs make the best they can and we all prosper.

I'd still like to see old Sense on this phone. Like Sense 3 or 4.
I'd also like to see a CM variant built off Sense base. Like the old style ROMs that had all full Sense apk compatibility but no Sense launcher. Not sure if this is doable with Sense 5 though.
And last but not least, hopefully a dev will pick up Ubuntu Touch.
Just a daydreamin' wishlist.. lol

Can't port old sense to new hardware. Plus the old stuff was lower resolution.
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tylerlawhon said:
Can't port old sense to new hardware. Plus the old stuff was lower resolution.
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you could port sense4+ to this phone (someone did it on the intl one) as the kernel base is the same (3.4.x)
dont know why you would really want to, but its possible

nitsuj17 said:
Quality is always better than quantity
Like was mentioned above, some phones have 200 Rom threads, but really what's the difference between the Rom? They (aosp variants) are 90% cm based with varying mods pulled from aokp source with pa stuff as well
Really, no disrespect intended those 3 aosp roms are all that matter as everything else is just mashed up and derivative of them
As for sense, you only really need a few roms as well; something stock for those who only want root and a few basic mods, some kind of aroma Rom with user configurable options, and or a rom with a lot if built in mods (well you don't need them lol)
Really imo if you have 5 or 6 roms that meet the above criteria you are set
Unless you have a need to flash a different rom every day that has 1 more bs script or 1 different mod in it
The end user doesn't always see the forest from the trees
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Consumer choice is always a win. I'd kill for a thread with five million views and fifty three thousand replies. Developers in different sections have had months to build their own form of paradise. Android Revolution HD has fullSnapdragon 600 (GPU) rendering. I want to try that.

Reefer Madness said:
Consumer choice is always a win. I'd kill for a thread with five million views and fifty three thousand replies. Developers in different sections have had months to build their own form of paradise. Android Revolution HD has fullSnapdragon 600 (GPU) rendering. I want to try that.
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thats a bs mod that requires the deleting of a lib (and does nothing)
the end user might enjoy that, real developers know the work done in roms and can sort out the differences between fancy features in a changelog and real code changes and development
views and posts have nothing to do with the work that go into a rom....you can have a thread that explodes because it has a leaked version of sense, a large user base of a rom that drives discussion and hypes upcoming releases, massive bug issues that require help and dicussion, new hboots or firmware needed to run new updates and so on
thread views and # of posts, as well as individual member post count and thanks count is really deceptive and a TERRIBLE barometer of worth in the development community
the best and most important kernel, rom, root exploit, recovery and so on developers that exist in the android world often have a relatively low post and thanks count, whereas guys who release stock deodexed roms made with a rom kitchen in cygwin have tens of thousands of posts and thanks which leads new users and even more experienced ones to inflate their value and skillsets
developers can generally sort out whos who amongst themselves, but its unfortunate that the end user often cant; usually through no fault of their own

nitsuj17 said:
thats a bs mod that requires the deleting of a lib (and does nothing)
the end user might enjoy that, real developers know the work done in roms and can sort out the differences between fancy features in a changelog and real code changes and development
views and posts have nothing to do with the work that go into a rom....you can have a thread that explodes because it has a leaked version of sense, a large user base of a rom that drives discussion and hypes upcoming releases, massive bug issues that require help and dicussion, new hboots or firmware needed to run new updates and so on
thread views and # of posts, as well as individual member post count and thanks count is really deceptive and a TERRIBLE barometer of worth in the development community
the best and most important kernel, rom, root exploit, recovery and so on developers that exist in the android world often have a relatively low post and thanks count, whereas guys who release stock deodexed roms made with a rom kitchen in cygwin have tens of thousands of posts and thanks which leads new users and even more experienced ones to inflate their value and skillsets
developers can generally sort out whos who amongst themselves, but its unfortunate that the end user often cant; usually through no fault of their own
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Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.

Reefer Madness said:
Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.
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Not to start a war, but I'm going to give you benefit of doubt you probably don't know him. What he said is true.. And you probably just proved his point too.
His work on other devices is proof of that. Give it time, we will see more options now that the crowd is turning more s-off.
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Reefer Madness said:
Perhaps you should stick to answering the questions you were asked. In any case, it would be smarter to back a winning horse.
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He did .. You must have not read it...
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cstrife999 said:
He did .. You must have not read it...
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Here I was thinking it was truly reefer madness...lol
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dottat said:
Not to start a war, but I'm going to give you benefit of doubt you probably don't know him. What he said is true.. And you probably just proved his point too.
His work on other devices is proof of that. Give it time, we will see more options now that the crowd is turning more s-off.
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I know what he said is true and I don't care. CPU vs GPU. That interests me.

Custom Roms

What is with the lack of custom roms for our phone? Is it the lack of devs who own the device, or is it the lack of open source resources for our device? Thanks for your responses.

We have more roms than the international version. What are you crying about?

helikido said:
We have more roms than the international version. What are you crying about?
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I think we have what, two roms right now? And they're both stock (one is deodexed), so really not a whole lot to choose from right? (And I mean absolutely no disrespect to Devs. I know this process, I've been around a while now. It takes time to get up and running.)
But I know, and feel what the op is saying. Normally by now, we'd at least have some more things going on as far as roms, and especially kernels. What I'm most excited for is aosp or cm. I really miss stock android, and I think this phone would benefit a whole lot from it as far as battery life and fluidity.
But I can be patient... I think
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nory82688 said:
I think we have what, two roms right now? And they're both stock (one is deodexed), so really not a whole lot to choose from right? (And I mean absolutely no disrespect to Devs. I know this process, I've been around a while now. It takes time to get up and running.)
But I know, and feel what the op is saying. Normally by now, we'd at least have some more things going on as far as roms, and especially kernels. What I'm most excited for is aosp or cm. I really miss stock android, and I think this phone would benefit a whole lot from it as far as battery life and fluidity.
But I can be patient... I think
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Dont worry bro the devs probably barely got their devices rightnow. We dont know what they are planning. But they will be coming and you will be first to enjoy a fully custom phone and quench the thirst. I have it too. The fact that the bootloader is unlocked for tmbile make me relieved[emoji27]

nory82688 said:
I think we have what, two roms right now? And they're both stock (one is deodexed), so really not a whole lot to choose from right? (And I mean absolutely no disrespect to Devs. I know this process, I've been around a while now. It takes time to get up and running.)
But I know, and feel what the op is saying. Normally by now, we'd at least have some more things going on as far as roms, and especially kernels. What I'm most excited for is aosp or cm. I really miss stock android, and I think this phone would benefit a whole lot from it as far as battery life and fluidity.
But I can be patient... I think
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I could be way off here but if you want aosp you better start compiling it. For some reason I doubt we will see official aosp or aokp until one of us gets the ball rolling on github. I would but the idea of being a guinea pig for the kernel scares me off. If anyone knows of it officially being worked on please correct me.

I wish i could help unfortunately I cant code very much.. Anyways I cant wait for some LG G3 custom ROM love. :good:

It took almost 2 months for the first AOSP rom to start showing up for the G2, and that had less exposure. It just takes time.
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Be patient. Device just recently came out. The fact we even have a full root and 2 flavors of stock is nice already given the time

I like LG's take on Android. I'd be happy with a properly debloated rom and custom kernel.

ThePagel said:
I could be way off here but if you want aosp you better start compiling it. For some reason I doubt we will see official aosp or aokp until one of us gets the ball rolling on github. I would but the idea of being a guinea pig for the kernel scares me off. If anyone knows of it officially being worked on please correct me.
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Trust me, If I could code, I wouldve started by now lol, but as far as I've seen , there is a guy messing with a 4.4.4 aosp build or Android L build in the general section of the T-Mobile threads. From what I've read he's responsible for the Android L port to the Nexus 4, so at least we have someone digging at it.
Other than that I haven't seen anything else.
This is my first non nexus LG smartphone , so forgive me if Im not privy to how long development normally takes. All I can say is I'm definitely excited to see something
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I dont know how develpoment is now on the the G2 but when i had it there wasnt much going on there, I think i flashed international roms on that device, would that be possible with the G3?

unciviilized said:
I dont know how develpoment is now on the the G2 but when i had it there wasnt much going on there, I think i flashed international roms on that device, would that be possible with the G3?
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With the G2 you could do that as long as you had a D801 kernel to flash on top of it. Might be the same here.
I wanted to compile AOSPA (paranoid android for those who don't know), but couldn't find the device tree for this device. Someone answered me on here and said that they needed to be built and none were available at this time.
That's what we're waiting for to get any type of AOSP rom on this device. I looked into building it myself, but it's a bit over my head.

No aosp roms?

Is it too soon for aosp ROMs for t mobile yet?

I hear there's some in the works...just something with the kernel not booting..ROM builds but... You on G+?

Questions do not belong in the development section. Also this topic has been discussed and answered numerous times.

Ducter said:
Questions do not belong in the development section. Also this topic has been discussed and answered numerous times.
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Yeah I don't get it three in one day... is it a full moon tonight?

ThePagel said:
Yeah I don't get it three in one day... is it a full moon tonight?
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goes back to who needs the stinken rules!! Who needs to actually read threads...I came from S4 verizon forum and the number of questions on the same topic that was posted practically daily because of pure laziness was unbelievable...we had posters who said they were too busy to read any threads and wanted an answer right now!!

darryim said:
Is it too soon for aosp ROMs for t mobile yet?
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Short answer: yes. The phone came out a bit more than a month or two ago. Developers cannot just whip these things together. It takes time and the right kernel and configurations. We don't want a messy ROM circulating simply for the sake of having an AOSP ROM.
Also, it's possible some developers do not want to focus on a ROM for a phone in which only one carrier has an unlocked bootloader. That certainly can make some hesitant, mainly because it's tougher to work with limitations. Take Cyanogenmod. Their developers hesitate to work on this phone for that very reason, as an example. They simply do not want to work on a ROM just for one model with an unlocked bootloader.
Give it time, friend. It'll come.
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I don't know why people are thirsty for AOSP ROMs for T-Mobile devices. You lose WiFi Calling with pretty much every AOSP ROM I've seen, and that is T-Mobile's killer app. Not like there's anything out there that's gonna replace it.

starkruzr said:
I don't know why people are thirsty for AOSP ROMs for T-Mobile devices. You lose WiFi Calling with pretty much every AOSP ROM I've seen, and that is T-Mobile's killer app. Not like there's anything out there that's gonna replace it.
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Bingoboomshakalaka! Plus, the LG stuff is unobtrusive and occasionally useful. While I would play with AOSP, it couldn't be a daily driver for me.

ahem...
https://plus.google.com/109746709508989257077/posts/2gXUKGeeibt

Cablespider said:
ahem...
https://plus.google.com/109746709508989257077/posts/2gXUKGeeibt
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Was just going to post this!

AICP is booting...
https://plus.google.com/104157733403056482149/posts/Dyrz9tiEGBt

starkruzr said:
I don't know why people are thirsty for AOSP ROMs for T-Mobile devices. You lose WiFi Calling with pretty much every AOSP ROM I've seen, and that is T-Mobile's killer app. Not like there's anything out there that's gonna replace it.
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Why can't we have one thread discussing AOSP without people, who obviously have no interest in it, coming in and flaming people who do? We get it, you all don't care about AOSP on your precious TMobile phones, that is fine. Can't you let those people who DO CARE talk about it in peace? I wouldn't walk into a restaurant serving food I didn't like and start shouting "why are you eating here? I don't like this food".. I just wouldn't go there. Please try to respect that other people have different tastes, in food and ROMs, and let us discuss what we are excited about without crapping all over every thread with this "AOSP doesn't have wifi calling, AOSP doesn't have LG apps, AOSP doesn't wipe my ass for me" nonsense. We know that, and we are still interested, if you are not, just leave us alone.

I tried out the other test version but its 4.4.2, I hope we get a test build of this one rather soon.

ThePagel said:
Yeah I don't get it three in one day... is it a full moon tonight?
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3? I thought it was 2? Tom Marshall, aicp, what else?

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3? I thought it was 2? Tom Marshall, aicp, what else?
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This was a few days before aosp announcement and it was about people posting in the wrong sections not aosp.

Pre-rooted MM rom?

With the update being out for like a week now I'm wondering why there hasn't been any new ROMs based on the 6.01 marshmallow. I would even be happy for just a stock rom with root, no fancy mods added. Is there an issue with rooting the MM update? I desperately need wifi calling !
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Come on man. Don't be that guy.
The update released on Thursday or Friday at noon last week. It hasn't even been a business week nevermind a full week at this point. The raw files were made available pretty much right away so it's fair game for anyone who absolutely needs the rom and is willing to put some time in.
It's summer. People do this for free and have lives.
If you absolutely need to flash something the Mm ports and Cm have been available for weeks and months. It's also been reported that you can rollback from the New update so you could always go stock if it's imperative and flash back when appropriate.
Otherwise, hsbadr has uploaded the files and seems to have slots for future work in his formatting. So hold tight. Good things come to those who wait or who take the initiative.

revdirty said:
With the update being out for like a week now I'm wondering why there hasn't been any new ROMs based on the 6.01 marshmallow. I would even be happy for just a stock rom with root, no fancy mods added. Is there an issue with rooting the MM update? I desperately need wifi calling !
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It's a matter of waiting for the TAR to be released. That way, we have a clean /system to work with, OTAs are always wonky.

ryanbg said:
It's a matter of waiting for the TAR to be released. That way, we have a clean /system to work with, OTAs are always wonky.
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Does tars normally take long to be released after an ota?
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revdirty said:
Does tars normally take long to be released after an ota?
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About a week or so.

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About a week or so.
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so this is basically why most of the devs have not updated any of thier Roms like paulpizz or jasmine
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revdirty said:
so this is basically why most of the devs have not updated any of thier Roms like paulpizz or jasmine
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Well that OR as stated above by @bobloblaw1 the fact that these great dev's DO have lives to live. They have job's and family's as well. I had a teacher back in elementary school who used to tell me all the time that "Patience Is A Virtue". I would wager that there will be a MM ROM out within two weeks.

stajam said:
Well that OR as stated above by @bobloblaw1 the fact that these great dev's DO have lives to live. They have job's and family's as well. I had a teacher back in elementary school who used to tell me all the time that "Patience Is A Virtue". I would wager that there will be a MM ROM out within two weeks.
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I'm not sure why you and he think I'm being impatient.lol I'm fully aware of the nature of software development.. plus this is mostly done on ppls free time and volunteer basis .. I was mearly trying to understand the process of an ota getting released to s custom ROM being created.. . on a very high level .
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revdirty said:
I'm not sure why you and he think I'm being impatient.lol I'm fully aware of the nature of software development.. plus this is mostly done on ppls free time and volunteer basis .. I was mearly trying to understand the process of an ota getting released to s custom ROM being created.. . on a very high level .
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I wasn't meaning any disrespect to you in any way. I am sure I am not alone on this, but in the OP it does sound impatient. In essence to the main question as to why there aren't any MM ROM's out yet, the only real, yet short answer is "time".
Again, I am not meaning any disrespect to you. It's just when someone asks a question, I tend to be honest and strait forward.

Color me cynical but...
I've read two or three threads regarding the Marshmallow OTA and I find it amusing as to how many people are losing their minds over it. It's not happening fast enough for the unrooted crowd, most likely because Verizon doesn't want their servers swamped. The people who are rooted are willing to risk bricking their devices or not being able to regain root because... I don't know why. Is there something so earth shattering in the OTA that isn't already available in a custom ROM?
And now there's a new group who wonders why developers haven't produced a custom ROM based on an OTA that's not even a week old. I could never be a developer for this sort of group. The level of ungrateful is simply breathtaking. I've been on XDA for about six years as a consumer. I can well remember when asking for ETAs was considered rude.
From what I've been able to observe, most of the good developers are driven first and foremost by challenges. Yeah, there could be money involved... enough to maybe buy a couple of six packs of beer. They're also driven by their reputations. Most wouldn't dream of foisting a half-assed ROM on people. It's far more productive for them to issue a product that is fairly polished and then be able to spend their time developing new and improved features rather than having to fix broke ****. And while some developers do live in the basement and live only to make ROMs, most have wives, kids, jobs and interests outside of ROM development.
Here's how I see it: you can be patient and wait for the developers to do their thing and be rewarded with a near OEM experience, or you can forge off into the unknown. The entertaining part of watching the trailblazers is that most of them shouldn't be flashing custom ROMs with complete instructions because they're not willing to expend the effort to learn just what it is that they're doing. Then, when they've ****ed their phones up, they don't ask for help, they demand it.
One more point: The Note 4 is over 18 months old. That is ancient in the consumer electronics world, even while the hardware is still highly competitive against the newest phones. Many developers have moved on to greener fields. There's a smaller base of community for ideas to be bounced around. Things won't move quite as fast.

douger1957 said:
Color me cynical but...
I've read two or three threads regarding the Marshmallow OTA and I find it amusing as to how many people are losing their minds over it. It's not happening fast enough for the unrooted crowd, most likely because Verizon doesn't want their servers swamped. The people who are rooted are willing to risk bricking their devices or not being able to regain root because... I don't know why. Is there something so earth shattering in the OTA that isn't already available in a custom ROM?
And now there's a new group who wonders why developers haven't produced a custom ROM based on an OTA that's not even a week old. I could never be a developer for this sort of group. The level of ungrateful is simply breathtaking. I've been on XDA for about six years as a consumer. I can well remember when asking for ETAs was considered rude.
From what I've been able to observe, most of the good developers are driven first and foremost by challenges. Yeah, there could be money involved... enough to maybe buy a couple of six packs of beer. They're also driven by their reputations. Most wouldn't dream of foisting a half-assed ROM on people. It's far more productive for them to issue a product that is fairly polished and then be able to spend their time developing new and improved features rather than having to fix broke ****. And while some developers do live in the basement and live only to make ROMs, most have wives, kids, jobs and interests outside of ROM development.
Here's how I see it: you can be patient and wait for the developers to do their thing and be rewarded with a near OEM experience, or you can forge off into the unknown. The entertaining part of watching the trailblazers is that most of them shouldn't be flashing custom ROMs with complete instructions because they're not willing to expend the effort to learn just what it is that they're doing. Then, when they've ****ed their phones up, they don't ask for help, they demand it.
One more point: The Note 4 is over 18 months old. That is ancient in the consumer electronics world, even while the hardware is still highly competitive against the newest phones. Many developers have moved on to greener fields. There's a smaller base of community for ideas to be bounced around. Things won't move quite as fast.
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I do agree with all of what you are saying. That being said.. I of course am on root and the reason at least for me wanting a custom ROM is wifi calling .. I need this feature as I have crap signal in my home and office. I'm just not willing to let go of root for it . I am happy to wait for some experienced dev to make a rom with 6.01 that is pre-rooted so I can have my cake and eat it too.. lol
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@revdirty. I just want to thank you for asking the question, and @ryanbg for answering the question... All the others with the why you ask and o Lord not another one.. If one of you knew the answer why didn't you just answer it... I for one now learned something.. Don't take away from us who ask as you guys say dumb questions...
It's people like you guys that make us make mistakes because were afraid to ask...
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Bern612 said:
@revdirty. I just want to thank you for asking the question, and @ryanbg for answering the question... All the others with the why you ask and o Lord not another one.. If one of you knew the answer why didn't you just answer it... I for one now learned something.. Don't take away from us who ask as you guys say dumb questions...
It's people like you guys that make us make mistakes because were afraid to ask...
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1. Anyone who replied DID "answer" his question.
2. Some people are too thin skinned and can't seem to handle someone being honest and strait forward.
3. It's really very silly to blame others for "your own" mistakes. It's not our fault if someone can't or doesn't follow directions. It's people like us that actually help this community. A users "Thanks Meter" doesn't get higher on it's own.
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I do agree with all of what you are saying. That being said.. I of course am on root and the reason at least for me wanting a custom ROM is wifi calling .. I need this feature as I have crap signal in my home and office. I'm just not willing to let go of root for it . I am happy to wait for some experienced dev to make a rom with 6.01 that is pre-rooted so I can have my cake and eat it too.. lol
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I am guessing by your reply that you do have wifi at you home?
If so have you thought about or maybe try and see if Google Hangouts may be an option for you for the time being?