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Ice Glacier Rom Guide- (Tips known issues and info)

Hi everybody, I have been closely following the ICED GLACIER ROM development thread since it was started. I know there is a consistently growing number of people who have just purchased their myTouch 4G phone (android noobs and vets). The ICED GLACIER ROM thread is getting really large, and I am sure the thought of reading through 1,600+ posts can potentially be a little overwhelming and very time consuming. I know everyone is really excited to try that AWESOME ROM, but I also see in the thread that everyone wants to know what works, what doesn't, how to fix this, etc... I'm hoping that people with questions about this ROM can look here for an answer before asking questions in the other thread that have already been answered along the way (sometimes many times). I hope this will help the devs too- if we can provide info and answer questions about everything that has already been answered in the other thread then we can get rid of repeat posts of questions and problems that are cluttering up the other thread- meaning it'll hopefully be really easy to narrow down current hiccups or problems people are experiencing. If anyone can contribute to this thread, it would be greatly appreciated!
*Flashing- When I first flashed this ROM, Iced Glacier was at 1.0, first I flashed V0.5, then V1.0. With V1.1, you no longer need to flash V0.5 or any other version first- you can go from stock rooted to V1.1 (make sure to make a nandroid backup first!!!). If you are not sure how to flash this ROM, or how to root your phone- you WILL find answers by reading through some of the other threads in this section. *It looks like a few people have had problems when/ after flashing this ROM due to not completely wiping the phone in different versions of this ROM- you might want to do a complete wipe just to be thorough (I'm no expert, it's just a suggestion to hopefully save you any headaches down the road)
*Overclocking- Make sure to install/ purchase SetCPU, so you can tweak the processor speeds. If you are not sure what SetCPU is, or how to use it- do some studying first. It has been noted that each of our phones responds differently with the different speed settings- I have noticed, that when I have my phone set too high it freezes (particularly while I'm surfing using Dolphin HD), and I have also noticed that I get better performance (and Quadrant results) when my max speed is set at 1440 mhz as opposed to 1382 or 1497mhz. Again, every phone will respond different. Play with the different speeds and see what works best for your phone- everyone can make recommendations (i.e. lower clock speeds with the screen off, battery low, or temp too high), but in the end you have to find what works best for you. I would recommend that you use the 'on demand' option instead of 'performance' to avoid having your phone constantly working at the highest set clock speed though, and don't forget to set different profiles (i.e. screen off, temp too high, battery low...). Remeber, this will affect your battery life, along with a million other variables related to your phone, so make note of before and after results to find a good balance between speed/performance and battery longevity to your liking.
*Apps and Data before flashing the ROM- install 'Titanium Backup' (I recommend purchase as well to support the creator) and batch 'backup all of your apps and data' (run the batch 'verify backup' afterwords to make sure you have a good backup to restore after installing this ROM). I had problems with my backups, so after I flashed V1.0 every time I tried to batch 'restore all apps and data' my phone would reboot, in the end I went through my backup and individually restored data (and app if it was missing) for all of my apps- time consuming, I know, but it was worth it to have this ROM (note: I was using the free version of TB- I now have purchased the app, but haven't had to use it yet for a full batch 'restore').
*Once you have installed the ROM- open 'rom manager' and execute 'fix permissions'. Do this first, as it will likely fix force closes or the 'instant close upon starting the app' that sometimes happens, before you experience them. After running 'fix permissions'- power down, pull your battery for a couple minutes, and then restart your phone (I suggest this, because I had an 'instant close' problem with wi-fi calling and power down + pull battery fixed it for me). You will also want to check to make sure your wi-fi is functional-if not Gr8gorilla has a fix here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9328350&postcount=1
*Test a flash website on your browser- if it does not work, you likely have to install flash from the market. If it does work- you should be good.
*Bluetooth- If you use bluetooth for calls, it should work fine (I use bluetooth for making calls and have had no problems with V1.0 or V1.11). However, if you use bluetooth for stereo music (A2DP) I understand that it does work with V1.0, but not on V1.11. I have noticed that when I have bluetooth turned on and try to dial a number on the stock dialer- it is very very sluggish to dial the numbers (ex. I press a 5 on the dial pad and wait about 2-3 seconds for the number to light up, sound the DTMF tone, and provide the haptic feedback). I have since switched over to using the 'atakephone' app and have had 0 problems. ***The devs are aware of the bluetooth issue, and plan to include a fix in the next update http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9684992&postcount=1577 *EDIT*- bluetooth fixed in ROM V1.1.2
*Genius/ Handsfree- there have been issues with this not functioning properly or not at all. Again, this will be fixed in the next update http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9684317&postcount=1573 *EDIT* Fixed in the V1.1.2 update!
*YouTube app- I would say it's not usable- it starts 'turbo scrolling' when I use it- it will sometimes stop if you hold your finger on the screen, but revert back when you take your finger off. This ROM is based off of the original MT4G kernel and I think I read somewhere that the version of this youtube app associated with the original kernel had this bug. Goolge released a new version of the youtube app yesterday (12-8-10)- since I installed that update, I no longer have problems in the app. *EDIT* See *RECAP- KNOWN ISSUES below.
*MMS- looks like some are having problems sending and recieving MMS messages- it might be a problem with the phone rather than this ROM (I am getting a replacement because my phone has that problem). Depending on who you talk to at Tmo customer service, they will confirm it as a known issue with the 4G. Make sure to do atleast a handful of tests sending and recieving with your phone before and after flashing. *EDIT*- some people (myself included) noticed that when using the stock messages app, contacts pictures don't display- looks like there are 2 fixes, 1 being a FULL wipe and fresh install of the ROM or 2- clearing cerain contacts cache settings as Notxel21 posted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9706457&postcount=1653
*Bloatware- this ROM has the original bloatware apps removed. The Monopoly demo, demo video, Rock Band Demo, etc. are gone (as well as some other stuff that I forgot to mention- which is proof that it wasn't needed in the ROM anyway ).*** A 'spare parts' app was added for tweaking window animations and viewing battery stats. A 'dsp settings' app was also added to allow equalizer settings for the phones earpiece, external speaker, and the 3.5mm headphone port (really sweet btw!). I had to reinstall 'superuser', 'rom manager', and titanium backup from the market after flashing. The market still works for me after flash without any glitches fwiw.
***Updates- they will come when they come, theres no need to ask about it every day or so. The easiest way to check for yourself is to open the Iced Glacier ROM thread and look at the changelog in post #2- the devs have been faithful to update that post whenever they release a new version. (You can also look through the first post, but the second is cleaner as they put the newest changelog right at the top of the post) *EDIT*- Version 1.1.2 released
*RECAP- KNOWN ISSUES-- Youtube- no worky until you update in the market *EDIT* some are having problems with the youtube app in the 1.1.2 version- looks like it works fine until you use the app in landscape and try to return to portrait- the display returns to portrait, but stays stretched out for widescreen.
*Themed vs. Unthemed- I tried themed first in V1.0- I switched to unthemed and currently use V1.11 unthemed. I only used the V1.0 themed version for about 15 minutes, so I can't really provide any info on it aside from intense screen transition effects and alot of blue/black icons. V1.0 unthemed appears just like stock (if you don't like the HTC sense, you can use launcher pro, ADW or a list of other homescreen replacements). V1.11 Unthemed looks just like stock, but the drop down notification bar is transparent, and the icons at the top are colored with a circle battery meter that shows the battery % in the middle (very cool). There are other notification icon options available in the themes and apps section of this MT4G forum if you want to try something different, but I think you will lose the transparent drop down if you flash a different bar.
*There are also some other issues that seem to be random- someone is having problems with wifi not working at all, someone having problems with the 'media room' app, etc... to my knowledge there is currently no resolve for these problems.
Hope this helps! If anyone has anything to contribute, please let me know, and I will try to update this OP, so all the help stays in one common place.

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itmustbejj said:
Maybe consider making each topic header bold or something to combat the "wall of text" effect.
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Excellent, thanks! I just threw it together on 'notepad'...never gonna do that again- no formating sucks lol

1.1.2 is up now.... in case you didnt see lol..
No DSP manager in this one, didnt look to see if it was in 1.1.1. Also, Wish Meltus Audi hack worked for our phones.

crypysmoker said:
1.1.2 is up now.... in case you didnt see lol..
No DSP manager in this one, didnt look to see if it was in 1.1.1. Also, Wish Meltus Audi hack worked for our phones.
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lol, Yeah, 1.1.2- go figure, just as I got done typing this out I logged in to the forums here to see that. I've never heard of Wish Meltus Audi- I'm gonna do a search.
EDIT: Found it- Meltus' Audio Hack- that would be cool!

This is not development and needs to be closed or moved
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Foo_Blyat said:
This is not development and needs to be closed or moved
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OK, how do I move it, or do I have to request it be moved?
I guess it probably could be closed anyway since IG is now at 1.1.2. Gotta love the speed of development!

I like how not a single person thanked you for your effort. So... thank you! This was very nice of you.
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bubonik said:
I like how not a single person thanked you for your effort. So... thank you! This was very nice of you.
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Hey, thanks alot, that goes a long way! Since IG has been updated I will continue to keep an eye on it and update this thread accordingly. I plan to work on that tonight.

No Bugs in Mine
I have noticed none of the above mentioned bugs you claim. Youtube works fine, and so does Genius button. According to information I have gotten from others on IRC, the only bug is BT stereo, which I do not care about to be honest. I recommend the non-themed version.

photolarry said:
I have noticed none of the above mentioned bugs you claim. Youtube works fine, and so does Genius button. According to information I have gotten from others on IRC, the only bug is BT stereo, which I do not care about to be honest. I recommend the non-themed version.
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Your fortunate. Not everyone has experienced all of these bugs, I'm just posting what I have read about in the IG ROM thread as well as what I have experienced. As far as the non-themed version, it's my fav. Just got my replacement phone and looking forward to flashing IG 1.1.2, but first I'm gonna play catchup in that thread to see if I need to update this one yet.

bubonik said:
I like how not a single person thanked you for your effort. So... thank you! This was very nice of you.
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The same I say!!

dragon4000 said:
The same I say!!
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Thank you!!!

Duplicate Ringtones and Notifications
I am not sure what happened but all of a sudden I see two of each ringtone and notification. They seem to work properly but not sure why they are showing up twice. I added a few new ones to /system/media/audio by hand. Wondering if this has been tested by anyone else. I do not have any in /sdcard since I thought that could be problematic.
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Update: I fixed this issue by creating directories on /sdcard/media/audio as follows but empty folders:
/sdcard/media/audio/ringtones
/sdcard/media/audio/notifications
Also according to Zinx: Any folders on the /sdcard named notifications or ringtones will be found regardless of subdirectories...thus I think that may have been the entire issue I was seeing.

Everything looks about right

photolarry said:
I am not sure what happened but all of a sudden I see two of each ringtone and notification. They seem to work properly but not sure why they are showing up twice. I added a few new ones to /system/media/audio by hand. Wondering if this has been tested by anyone else. I do not have any in /sdcard since I thought that could be problematic.
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Update: I fixed this issue by creating directories on /sdcard/media/audio as follows but empty folders:
/sdcard/media/audio/ringtones
/sdcard/media/audio/notifications
Also according to Zinx: Any folders on the /sdcard named notifications or ringtones will be found regardless of subdirectories...thus I think that may have been the entire issue I was seeing.
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I'm glad you were able to fix it! I had that same problem shortly after I got my phone, but it was with alot of my pictures as well. I ended up searching my sdcard from my computer for *.mp3 and *.jp to find all of the duplicates.
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Here is a problem I've came across....not rebooting after I flashed 1.1.2 I have to actually pull my battery and power up. Very strange to me
Has anyone else experienced this

g33kChic said:
Here is a problem I've came across....not rebooting after I flashed 1.1.2 I have to actually pull my battery and power up. Very strange to me
Has anyone else experienced this
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Was that through Clockwork- when you choose the reboot option after flashing? When you power down, do you have to pull your batt before you can restart your phone again? I know that the first time I flash a zip through clockwork, when I select reboot- there is a longer delay than if I were to execute that command without flashing any .zips.

Nice thread, should really help. I really wish someone had a list of the bloatware that was removed from it though, I used more of it than I didn't. There might be something removed that I might need someday.

FAQ frequently asked questions

I'm posting this mostly for informational purposes to try and stop the same question being asked a billion times like some questions have been. ill try to keep this up to date as much as I can if I see questions getting asked repeatedly
Q: why should u root my g note 2?
A: wireless tethering works now, also: 5 words: every app in multi window. you can have every app in multi window action with a deodexed Rom and you can back up every app with titanium backup.
Q: how do I root my phone
A: I'm not going to go into this since there are many options, ways and since it changes so rapidly. look in the android development section of our phone's forum for the best option for you. Just do an in-forum search for root.
Q:What is the difference between the firmwares/what does all this talk about LJ1/LJC/LK8/MA5/MA7/MC2 mean?
A: different firmware names are usually associated with updates to the stock system files. they are named after the modem (or radio software) and usually bring improvements or changes to the phone capabilities or bugs. there is usually different root methods for different firmware. this phone came stock with LJ1, got updated to LJC soon after to include multi-window and extended toggles support, and recently (as of the last time this post was edited) we got a leak of LK8 which brings minor stability and Bluetooth fixes. MA5's leak was a bit useless as nothing seemed to change. MA7 brought 4.2 and "Google wallet support" more on why it's in quotes in the wallet question. MC2 was supposed top bring bug fixes for many things including wallet but most can agree the wallet problem persists.
Q:My Wi-Fi turns on sporadically. how do I fix it?
A: Turn off connection optimizer under settings-wireless networks-more settings-mobile networks-connections optimizer
Q: How do I unlock the bootloader?
A: No need, only the Verizon one comes locked
Q: How do I draw on pictures?
A: In gallery go into the picture itself then press the menu button then tap on draw on image this flips over the image and you can draw on the back. for the front see the next question
Q: How do I draw on any app like in the commercial?
A: take a screenshot WITH THE PEN by holding the pen button and the screen for a few seconds it will take you to the screenshot to draw on it
Q: Is there any way to wireless tether?
A: now there is! go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1988735 and install that apk. it works with lj1 and ljc and on rooted and with busybox
Q: How do I get music controls on the lock screen?
A: you can't get them directly on the stock lock screen if you're not using security (it works with pin, patter, etc but not swipe), but it will let you pull down the notification bar to use the music controls that show up there. if you REALLY want it directly in the lock screen you'll need a lock screen replacement app that allows it
Q: My pen touches when coming into hovering range/it's too hard to click with it
A: there is two ways to fix this.
1. the crude more dangerous way is to smack it on a hard surface until it works for you (which I don't recommend)
2. the second is to adjust the potentiometer on the pen. pop the button off the pen and turn the screw closest to the tip clockwise for pens that touch while hovering and counterclockwise for pens that are too hard to tap with. trust me this is really easy.
Q: How do I turn on/off 4g? my old phone had a notification bar toggle!
A: go to "settings-wireless networks-more settings-mobile networks-network mode" and select "cdma" to turn off 4g, or select "cdma/lte" for 4g on
Q: does s-beam work with non-samsung phones that have nfc?
A: partially. if the file is small enough it will go through if not it takes the receiving device to a broken pay store link
Q: does Google wallet work?/why doesn't Google wallet work?
A: it's not officially supported before MA7 , but you can enable it, follow these instructions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037416. After MA7 it's supposed to work naively without hacking but a lot of people especially those rooted it's been nothing but pain. try using it straight from the market and if it doesn't work seek individualized support from the q&a section
Q: no flash on jelly bean?
A: YouTube and most up to date websites are updating to html5. if you still find websites that tell you you're not good enough for not having flash then download it from blapkmarket.com or aptoide
Q: How do I take screenshots?
A: there are three ways with this phone:
1. with the pen: hold the pen's button and the screen for about 3 seconds. only this one takes you straight to drawing on it.
2. with the buttons: hold the home and power button together for about 3 seconds.
3. with the touch screen: swipe your entire palm from left to right on the screen, like you're cleaning all of it off. it's a bit tricky but play around with it you'll get it right every time with practice. *this one needs to be enabled under motion settings*
Q: why does my phone get so hot while charging?
A: the phone will get hotter while charging on low battery from the stock charger because it will try to take as much current as it can and the stock charger can provide 2 amps other charges don't give as much power to the phone so it won't be as hot. but don't worry, the phone itself monitors the battery's temperature and will shut off completely if it gets too hot for its own (or your) safety.
Q: How do I root the latest update/update if I'm root?
A:LK8/MA5/MA7/MC2 needs stock firmware to update as of the last time this post was edited.
Q: how do I get more apps on multi window?
A: get on the latest deodexed Rom by getting a custom recovery then flash this mod (which works in MC2 even though it didn't say so) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982452 which initially dumps every app into multi window.
Q: How do i get pop up browser (or another browser) back?
A: go to settings> applications and select the browser that had the default url handling and clear it's defaults, once you do that you should get asked which browser you want every time
Q: How do I skip music tracks/pause without turning on my phone?
A: while you can't just hold the volume buttons like in other phones the end call button on the stock headphones can pause and skip tracks. just click I once to pause, twice rapidly to skip
Q: can i use my mhl adapter and usb otg at the same time?
A: not with simple accessories, but there are ways around this.
1. the dock can do this (but it's always out of stock)
2. use Bluetooth: set up your mhl adapter and have Bluetooth peripherals like ps3 controllers, mice and keyboards.
3. use the Wi-Fi to your advantage: set up your usb otg and stream with allshare, set up an ftp from your phone. or set up your mhl adapter and access your computer files through wifi ftp
4. you can get it done with some tricky wiring, soldering and maybe a bit of cunning. but if you are someone who could get this done with instructions you won't need instructions to figure it out. all you need to know is USB otg pin out that mhl needs power to the phone and the adapter and that diodes and resistors make your apparatus too heavy and ugly and you might as well just buy a dock
Q: how do I change what the physical buttons do?
A:to change the back and menu keys just change it's value on /system/usr/keylayout/generic.kl back is 158 menu is 139. to edit what the hard press buttons do you have to change them BOTH IN GENERIC.KL AND GPIO-KEYS.KL or else your phone will freeze every time you press these, home is 172 in both files, volume down is 114 in both files, volume up is 115 in both files and power is 116 in both files.
I found this specially useful in combination with the soft keys below to make home button a native search button
Q: How do I enable soft keys and/or disable hard and capacitance keys?
A: simple tweak:
to add soft (in the screen) keys follow this:
and8res said:
navigate to system/build.prop
go to the bottom of the page ( document )
add this line
qemu.hw.mainkeys=0
save
reboot
check
Peace
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to disable hard keys:
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comment out lines on /system/usr/keylayout/Generic.kl, like so...
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# key 158 BACK
# key 139 MENU
# key 172 HOME
physical home button, however, will still wake up the device (which i prefer) and long pressing on it will bring up s-/google- voice. if you wish otherwise, you can disable it altogether by editing the line on gpio-keys.kl (same directory as above)...
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# key 172 HOME WAKE
then turn off lights via settings/display/touchkey light duration. works on both ics and jb sammy roms. HTH
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to revert soft keys just make qemu.hw.mainkeys=1
to revert disabled hardware keys take out the #s
Q:
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Q: Can I flash an international or At&t ROM?
A: This may work one day, but it does NOT work now. If you flash another variant ROM right now you WILL lose data. If you flash radios from another variant you will lose your baseband. The fix for anyone not understanding this is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1997150
Again, if you don't know what you are doing, DO NOT TRY THIS OR ENCOURAGE OTHERS.
IF someone how knows what they are doing figures out a safe method to do this, they will post it, till then I would suggest DO NOT ROGUE FLASH OR ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO ROGUE FLASH.
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Q: how do I swap SD card and internal storage?
A: the only method I have tried is this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35672586
although I can't speak for its reliability as I have only tried it once out of curiosity.

I take you're going to extend the post with far more Q&A's?
I'll go ahead and stick it; could be handy to have it in plain sight.

thanks
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You may want to add that for the screenshot with touch screen that Motion in options has to be enabled or else it wont work.

l3thalsab3r said:
You may want to add that for the screenshot with touch screen that Motion in options has to be enabled or else it wont work.
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will do thanks
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Im am using twrp right now.if I go back to stock recovery will it unroot my phone?
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I have the AT&T version, but I doubt it's different in this regard... For the lock screen music controls, they do appear at the top if you use a lock screen other than swipe or tilt. When you use Pattern or PIN, it shows the music controls, but you lose the quick app links. To get both (not at the same time though), you can select Pattern or PIN with swipe gesture. It will show the swipe lock screen with apps at the bottom, then when you swipe the screen it will show your pattern or PIN and the music controls at the top. I've had to resort to using the Pattern unlock just so I can get music controls

Interesting post. Thanks a lot

Q: how do I get more apps on multi window?
A: get on the latest deodexed Rom by getting a custom recovery and flashing this with it's inductions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1981668 then flash this mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1982439 which lets you choose among all your apps to put on multi window. there is another that dumps everything into multi window.
Read my mind with this one Thanks and great Thread..

if anyone has suggestions please post them, the questions I see are all unique or dumb
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is there a video tutorial available on how to root my gnote 2? thanks in advance.

noi1988 said:
is there a video tutorial available on how to root my gnote 2? thanks in advance.
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sorry, there are plenty of root methods, you will have to ask the individual threads
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reinaldistic said:
sorry, there are plenty of root methods, you will have to ask the individual threads
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can this be added?
Q: Can I flash an international or At&t ROM?
A: This may work one day, but it does NOT work now. If you flash another variant ROM right now you WILL lose data. If you flash radios from another variant you will lose your baseband. The fix for anyone not understanding this is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1997150
Again, if you don't know what you are doing, DO NOT TRY THIS OR ENCOURAGE OTHERS.
IF someone how knows what they are doing figures out a safe method to do this, they will post it, till then I would suggest DO NOT ROGUE FLASH OR ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO ROGUE FLASH.

tnx brother

new to this section of XDA, and I was wondering if you could add a little explanation of firmware naming convention/progression?
like "ljc" came out on this date, and so forth? took me a day or two to figure that out in the E4GT forums, still learning that here. I just know there are noobs out there scratching head wondering what it all means...
noi1988 said:
is there a video tutorial available on how to root my gnote 2? thanks in advance.
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you could look here, which would take you to here...?

kingdazy said:
new to this section of XDA, and I was wondering if you could add a little explanation of firmware naming convention/progression?
like "ljc" came out on this date, and so forth? took me a day or two to figure that out in the E4GT forums, still learning that here. I just know there are noobs out there scratching head wondering what it all means...
you could look here, which would take you to here...?
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I'll post about the firmware but the rooting has different options and it changes regularly so I won't post rooting instructions beyond looking in the dev section
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Question about having music on while screen is off
I was wondering why does the music stop whenever I press the lock screen button on the right side of the phone? The samsung galaxy s3 doesn't have that problem and I was wondering how to have the music on while the screen is off. Please anybody let me know...

Browser About:Blank
How do I prevent the stock browser from opening an about:blank window, after I close all open windows? In the past on my E4GT with ICS, the Home page would open after closing all the windows.

niceee.

thanks for the faq.
I have to admit I opened the thread ready to be snarky and find it to be crap, but I actually learned a few new things I didn't know yet. I've had the phone for about 4 days and hadn't figured out some things by playing with it that I got now because of this thread.
should be stickied!

BAMP - (Badass Android Music Player) - convert any old phone into a super iPod

This guide will show you how to turn an old phone into on really great iPod/iPod Touch replacement.
It will strip the phone out, enhance the audio and extend the battery life.
It will breath new life into the phone that was just upgraded.
I have done two of these so far, with lots of trial and error just to get to this point. My current one is now my main music player for the gym and my car.
They end up sounding amazing.
[Note: this guide is a moderately advanced user, I say that because to do this your phone
must be unlocked and rooted - you can find a guide on how to do that for almost any
phone, you just won't find that information here.]
This is my first thread here (so go easy on me). I did a search and never found any fully flushed out “how to” guide for something like this
(plus I didn't agree with some of their choices).
Ok, here we go….
Badass Android Music Player (BAMP)
(It’s just a working title - I am open to any suggestions)
Q: What is it?
A: Modifying a phone you no longer use and turning it into a audio and video
player with good battery life (even on a phone with crappy normal battery life will work a lot better).
Q: Why?
A: A replacement phone makes a great iPod type player. I have an iPod and iPod Touch
and currently I prefer my BAMP to both of them hands down because it sounds better!
Q: What is the benefit?
A: It sounds awesome (beats my iThings hands down for audio). Even in my Camery (not known
for it's audio) I use the line in am blown away at how good the speakers really are. I can get my rear view mirror shaking from the bass.
Also, It re purposes a device that is NOT end of life.
What you need:
1. a unlocked/rooted phone with Android 4.x or higher
2. a non-stock recovery (TWRP, CW, ...)
3. Android 4.x (that's a must)
What you don't need:
1. a custom ROM (I would suggest one but, the choice is yours). I am running CleanROM Pro 4.5 but I prefer CM but, none of this matters
for this project. Anything you need we will add and anything you don't will be removed or disabled.
2. a SIM card (your phone will complain at first but we will fix that).
Feedback? / Help? / Ideas? / Suggestions? / Criticisms? - all are welcome but, don't jump in too quick, let me finish the guide first
Yes, this is very much just an idea/work in progress. There are places where I use apps that you have to pay for and suggestions for
replacement apps that don't cost or alternatives are welcome.
Also, while this is the second phone I have done, I have in no way thought of all the things that could improve this setup. I think the battery
life could be extended even further.
I definitely need help with other manufacturers: I have only converted two phones so far, both HTC, so I am fairly good and what I can
remove, freeze, disable on a Verizon HTC phone. It would be a great help to get a list of what can be done for other manufacturers.
Even point out if I missed a process that is not needed for our purposes.
That’s what this guide is going to be a step by step guide how I did my phone and with a little luck and participation I can improve the process,
support other manufacturers and one day automate as much of this as I can.
This is just the intro - please give me a few days to post all the notes and screenshots before jumping it.
Next Post: Making sure your phone is prepared!
Remember: You need a phone already unlocked/rooted and custom recovery flashed to be able to begin.
New Info: I did find out that if you don't "check in" after a certain amount of times certain apps like Titanium and PowerAmp will complain. All I did is turn on my wifi - connect -- I let them both update (I didnt see the harm) and I've been good since then.

Prep Work
Prep Work!
OK lets get started. I'm assuming you have your unlocked/rooted phone with custom recovery ready to go?
Lets double check everything before we strip your phone...
If for some reason you didn't install a custom ROM then you need to install/flash a superuser program. I like SuperSU
but on older phones superuser seems to work ok.
You need to install a utility that can "freeze" apps:
- I use and own Titanium Backup root Pro (this app costs $)​ - There are other apps that are free that can "freeze" (I just haven't tried them)​ ---> Ultimate Backup​ ---> App Quarantine ROOT/FREEZE​ ---> System Tuner​ *all of those listed are on the Play Store - if you have an opinion on any of them please feel free to post that*
First, make sure your phone is in developer mode. Each phone, ROM is a bit different but if you don't see this in your settings
then you should stop right here and Google how to turn on developer mode. Once you are in developer mode you need to turn on USB Debugging.
Second install the recovery manager software on your phone. I usually match up TWRP with TWRP and CWM with CWM but I think CWM handles
most other recovery programs now.
If you went with CM or Paranoid or some other ROM then most of the above is already done for you (except the "freezing" app).
OK so you have:
1. installed a "freezing" app
2. installed a recovery manager app
3. made sure your phone was in developer mode
4. made sure you have USB Debugging on
5. made sure you have superuser (whichever app you choose working)​
If all that is done then we create a backup rigth now using recovery!
BACKUP CURRENT ROM in whatever recover you have installed.
We need a baseline recovery because I promise you that you will get into an endless "Phone Not Responding" loop sometime during this process.
The goal here is to disable and/or remove a LOT OF APPS and FEATURES and you will get into and error loop if you freeze the wrong thing.
It happens that's why we backup and backup often in the beginning.
Next Post: Disabling, removing, uninstalling and freezing!
-dOpiate

Delay - Just a bit...but I'm good now.
I wasn't able to post images because I was a new member and the next 4 or 5 parts are confusing without images as examples.
The board OP was kind enough to lift this image restriction so now I can continue the posts tomorrow.
I got some great testing results testing today (trapped in my house today by the blizzard) - I ran BAMP at full volume for 40 minutes and captured the battery stats. I got better results that expected (proof to be posted soon).
-dOpiate

Disabling, removing, uninstalling and freezing!
Disabling, removing, uninstalling and freezing!
Ok now that your phone is backed up (you created a backup of the current ROM)
it's time to start removing all the unnecessary parts of the phone.
The first thing to do is remove all the bloatware or apps not related to processing
music. There is a lot of personal preference here because we are going to leave WiFi
working so if you want to keep Skype on the phone or GoogleDrive then you should.
They will continue to work but unnecessary programs that you can easily uninstall
you should start removing.
You get the picture, anything in your apps list that you can easily uninstall.
Not everything will allow you to uninstall it. Sometimes the only option you have
is to remove updates. Don't worry we will get this stuff later.
A lot of the software directly related to your provider or phone manufacturer will
not allow you to uninstall it. This is when we start freezing applications and
processes.
You should also go through your settings and start turning off all the parts not needed for
a music player. Though after you are done freezing most of these things won't work anyway.
At this point you should put your phone into "Airplane" mode and then re-enable/disable Wifi
as needed.
I will screenshot my settings (in an update to this post) later today - I brought the wrong
phone to work so I can't get those images right now.
Here is a list of the processes that I froze on my HTC Rezound AFTER having uninstalled
everything I could. Keep in mind your list will be different and there will be a time when you
freeze something and it puts your phone into an error loop - I would freeze a screen full of
stuff then create a backup, then continue on.
My Frozen List (Using Titanium Backup Pro - root)
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
These processes can also safely be frozen:
Just to jump ahead a bit I want to show you where we are headed. These are
screenshots of my BAMP phone after blasting music on the highest volume for 40+ minutes.
For anyone who doesnt know, an HTC Rezound is NOT know for good battery life! Plus,
we are going to improve on the sound

Time to build the media player
Lets build that Music Player now!
I will be listing the apps I use and I will list alternatives that I have seen.
I have tried some and some I haven't tried.
We basically (if all went well) have a blank slate here. We have an Android
device that has been modified and changed to have 1 main purpose.
Play music, loud!
1- Install a DSP
2- Install a Music/Media player
3- tweak the final install with a few other apps
First I would install Beats. There are a lot of other DSP Managers's out there now but
honestly I like Beats and since the management of it is getting better and
better and the Audio Player I use plays nice with it I got with Beats.
I must confess that I used this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816719
to install beats and I can't uninstall it. Plus it's no longer supported.
I recommend getting your Beats from RockAudioMod (or RD Music Mod) ... it's still evolving but it's really good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1525226
You also don't need Beats you just need a DSP Manager. The one from CM is also really good.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jsf.cmprojects.cyanogenmodappinstaller
I did try this application and could not get it to work but I am only running Android
4.0.3 - it says it runs on Android 3.0 and up but that was not my experience.
Apps you could grab from the [Root] CM App Installer that would be useful are:
- Apollo music player (you could use this as you main music device if you wanted)
- DSP Manager (you are going to need a DSP Manager and if you can't or don't want Beats
then you can grab this one).
- CM File Manager (perfectly fine for moving songs, deleting old ROM's and files)
There are also standalone installs for Apollo and CM DSP Manager, to find them all you have to do is
search for them. Plus there are DSP's in the PlayStore that I never tried so you have a ton of options.
We are dealing with all personal preference here now. As my DSP manager and music player I use
Poweramp Full Version. I purchased it with my first phone and I think it does a great job.
It fully integrates with the Beats installs and it has a built in DSP Manager.
While that's what I use I wanted to make sure this "how to guide" had a fully implemented free
version.
So take your phone, in Airplane Mode, and pick the DSP you want to use.
Install that DSP then select the media player you want to use. Apollo is good but
there are also a ton of free ones on the PlayStore.
Additionally you want to set your screen timeout to something reasonable so you don't waste
any battery on the screen.
Pre-KitKat there was a great app called VolumeControl+ that would lock your volume buttons so
while you were jogging it didn't screw up the sound. I am still using it on my 4.0.3 and I
just wrote the developer since I have had no luck using it on 4.4.2. If I can't get anywhere I will
need to find a new app to lock the buttons on the phone.
Now just load some music and enjoy!
Total Cost: 0.00
Both phones I have done like this sound great and have really long battery life. It's only purpose is
to play music. I turn on the WiFi every once in a while to do updates or grab songs from GDrvie.
There is no standard setup or quick and easy .zip to flash or .apk to install. Hopefully in the
future there will be.
I'm open to any ideas or suggestions to make this setup better.
I would definitely like to make a list of other processes that can safely be frozen (manufacturer specific or not).
Here is just a quick example of my layout.
Hopefully it's helpful for those looking to do something with an old replaced phone.

No Interest?
I found out a few more things but I don't see anyone interested in this thread.
If not, no big deal, it was good for me - instructions or a guide if I have to make another one.
For the moment I'll just let the thread die.
Any questions you can always PM me.
No bumps - besides this one :laugh:

Thank you for posting this. It gives me a better understanding of what I intend to do with my 3 1/2 year old Captivate.
I saw it for the first time today, mostly because this is probably the first time I have searched outside of my device forums.

Wasn't sure where the post should go....
dawgdoc said:
Thank you for posting this. It gives me a better understanding of what I intend to do with my 3 1/2 year old Captivate.
I saw it for the first time today, mostly because this is probably the first time I have searched outside of my device forums.
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Yea it's a very non-specific device modification, so I wasn't sure where it fit in the forums.
I use my HTC Rezound audio player constantly, from the gym to work to/from the drive home. I love it, it sounds great and it makes crappy speakers (like in my Camry) sound so much better than an iPod using the line in or the CD player. I have iPods and I don't care what EQ you setup in them, they never sound as good as this.
Only when I forget to turn off the WiFi do I even remotely have a low battery at the end of day(s).
I think I had some minor tweaks that I wrote down at home, I'll add them if I can find my notes or remember what it was.
Just because a phone is a year or two old doesn't make it worthless. Sure you can probably eBay it for 50.00 or around there but I'm getting so much use out of it and not draining a drop of battery from my primary phone.
I don't have to have my Galaxy Nexus sitting in the car charger just to hear some music. I haven't ever used the car charger on the BAMP Rezound.
Rezound was probably the worst phone I ever purchased and now, honestly, it's more useful than it was as a phone!

First of all, thank you very much for this guide. I have one question. Did you freeze Google play? Because it is a battery eater but it is needed to check that you actually purchased poweramp. The thing with the volume buttons is that im just the opposite, I need to be able to skip songs by pressing physical buttons due to I usually use it while skating and it a pain in the ass to take out my mobile in the meantime.
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meadillas11 said:
First of all, thank you very much for this guide. I have one question. Did you freeze Google play? Because it is a battery eater but it is needed to check that you actually purchased poweramp. The thing with the volume buttons is that im just the opposite, I need to be able to skip songs by pressing physical buttons due to I usually use it while skating and it a pain in the ass to take out my mobile in the meantime.
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Hi luckily I read your question before my commute to work today so I can tell you what I found out.
Real quick question first, can you confirm you are using your phone with WiFi off? I never saw any Google Play services activity unless I had WiFi on and WiFi searching is a huge battery killer. I only get less than a day if I keep WiFi on.
As to the question about PowerAmp: I do not not believe it works that way, When you purchase it (from the PlayStore) you have to download two things the program and the "pro" key. After those are installed it never checks the Play Store (that I am aware of). If you are getting an error I would ask them about it. I am fairly certain about this because I use it 99% of the time with WiFi disabled (and there is no data plan at all on this phone). If it worked as you mentioned then no one could use it airplane mode.
I did read that there is some problem if you purchase the key directly from their site and then get the program from the PlayStore. Maybe that's it? But, I only turn on my WiFi to check for updates when I'm recharging, no other time, and I never have an issue.
As to Google Play services... before my ride to work I froze it
and everything was fine. It is still frozen and I was able to upload that image via "share to gdrive" using WiFi. Also, I was able to go to the Play Store and check for updates without an issue. Based on my very limited testing it seems safe to "freeze" - I don't plan on unfreezing it until I see a problem.
With the volume program that's really just based on how you use it. I use playlists in PowerAmp and just keep the phone in my pocket at the gym. If I didn't use the volume program then my volume would go up and down and tracks would change as it bounces around. If you use a clip and/or don't have that problem then you can skip using a program to lock your volume. I also don't change tracks with the buttons so for me it works but for you it seems best to not use it.
Thanks for the question, if after a week or so I have no issues I will amend my other post about what to freeze and add Google Play Services.

Google Play Services
Not all processes under Google Play services are started by the Google Play Store. Some are messaging and location services started by apps such as Google Search, Maps, and Hangouts. I'm pretty sure I've also had the location services started by non-Google apps.
Therefore, you can probably freeze some, especially the location services, without having any effect on the Play Store.

agreed
dawgdoc said:
Not all processes under Google Play services are started by the Google Play Store. Some are messaging and location services started by apps such as Google Search, Maps, and Hangouts. I'm pretty sure I've also had the location services started by non-Google apps.
Therefore, you can probably freeze some, especially the location services, without having any effect on the Play Store.
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I think you are correct.
I reset my battery monitor this morning and will look after I get a few days of stats to see what else runs and takes up battery that is basically useless in a music player.
Since I posted the original screen shots of what I had frozen I added Maps, the HTC Location Service and just this morning Google Play services. I forgot about the first two until your post.
These are the three processes I have frozen since in my original screenshots:
I would like to freeze anything Google that doesn't break the Play Store and GDrive. Not everyone would care about GDrive but I like the convenience of it. If you don't use it, it could probably be frozen too.
I'm usually the cause of any battery problems now if I forget to switch off WiFi or use the screen too much while creating new playlists .. screen timeout is a big deal if you are trying to squeeze every minute out of your battery.

just freeze everything it moves like Solid Snake would do
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
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Thanks
Thanks dOpiate for sharing this. I have been using CM on my old SGS I9000 to serve as a music player (just keeping the airplane mode on all the time), but this goes even further. I'll have to try that!
I'm surprised there aren't more people coming to this thread, with the number of people who have an old Android phone and don't know what to do with it.
Keep up the good work!

fabecoool said:
Thanks dOpiate for sharing this. I have been using CM on my old SGS I9000 to serve as a music player (just keeping the airplane mode on all the time), but this goes even further. I'll have to try that!
I'm surprised there aren't more people coming to this thread, with the number of people who have an old Android phone and don't know what to do with it.
Keep up the good work!
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Thanks I appreciate the feedback.
I think because this thread isn't device specific that it doesn't get that much traffic. And like you, I don't know what people are doing with all the old android devices they have. Just because it's not your phone anymore doesn't mean they are useless. They are very powerful computers that can be used for lots of things.
I actually used my 1st phone, the HTC Incredible 1, to replace my alarm clock. It was perfect, my alarm clock broke - I had the HTC Incredible in a drawer doing nothing so I set it up on my night stand as an alarm clock and I saved myself some $ and found a way to reuse the device.
As for the BAMP phone - I use it all the time - gym, car, work, data center, collocation, lol you get the point.
Soon I am going to have to part with my Galaxy Nexus as my primary phone but I can't wait to see how far I can take it as a media player only.
With the HTC Rezound I was stuck with what was an essentially cleaned up Verizon OTA update mod but the Nexus is CM 11 latest nightly! So much less bloat/trash to start with. I'll be doing a lot of trial and error on that one and will update this thread when/if I discover something new.
Thanks again and I hope this thread was helpful to you. If you learn anything new let me know and I'll add it here.
-dOpiate

Hi and thanks for the tutorial.
Why ia android 4+ mandatory ? This kind of things can be done with gingerbread…
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tmz83 said:
Hi and thanks for the tutorial.
Why ia android 4+ mandatory ? This kind of things can be done with gingerbread…
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I stated that specifically for my guide. The apps/settings I suggest don't all run on 3.x, that's the only reason.
I'm sure you could do the same things in gb but if your going by my guide (which will get an update very soon) you would need 4.x
The "idea" would certainly work in gingerbread.
I still use the HTC Rezound I created while writing this guide every day in my car and it still works great. Haven't noticed any battery life deterioration at all.
I did learn that every once in a while I have to enable WiFi or some of the apps no longer think they are licensed (Titanium, PowerAmp) -- but you need to make sure the Play Store isn't set to auto-update. Once it's working - don't let Google update any apps unless you want them updated otherwise you will end up with new Google apps you don't need/want.
I will make this guide more "current" very soon as I have another phone to do and I hope to use CM 4.4.4 as my base.

Ok, thanks again!
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hey, is this thread still alive? i need some help in turning my Sony Ericsson Live With Walkman into a real music player with camera and video available as extra features..
now i succeed to throw away all the unwanted apps like maps, messaging or phone call..
one question, how to remove all quickpanel in CM11? i need it to stay clean or just disable the notification dropdown. ( no use if your device is a music player )
if it impossible to do so, do you have any recommendation about using third party notification center like iOS iNoty or else which eat a little amount of RAM?

[Q] i got some questions about the UX 4.0 and more

i dont know if this is the right place or the general forum is ,but...
1.does the phone have silent mode? with lolipop silent mode was kind of canceled at stock android smartphones and you could only put the phone on vibrate, but the manufacturer UI still had it...
2.thats kind of stupid one but...one of the things i like about sense is the dialer it does not rotating at all! only when in car mode,so in UX 4.0 does the dialer rotate?
3.one of the features i like about touchwiz is that when you watch a video you can see it while it floats around,i know lg got qslide but i dont know if thats one of the options.
4.what apps coming with the phone and can you remove them?
5.did any of you tried greenify ? why do i ask ,well i tried to use it with samsung devices (actually s2,s4.s4 lte-a,s5 all not rooted) and it seemed like greenify didnt get along with them some why...(keyboard didnt work well,talkback didnt stop working,sms app failure and more)
6.do the camera have burst mode like sense? its not a must have feature but its a nice to have...
7.what are the sort categories on the gallery and on the music player?
8. its not a direct question about the UI but still,som one posted on the general furom that he got an update to his lg g4 i did search on google and found nothing about it,so my question is where can i find update list/changelog/or any thing that is connected to software updates...
9.do the headphone plugin on the bottom is comfortable?
keep in mind few things ,i am coming from HTC Desire so...its a huge step forward, i have bad to good english so i am sorry for the spelling mistakes and those question came from playing with other people smartphones

xzfzx said:
i dont know if this is the right place or the general forum is ,but...
1.does the phone have silent mode? with lolipop silent mode was kind of canceled at stock android smartphones and you could only put the phone on vibrate, but the manufacturer UI still had it...
2.thats kind of stupid one but...one of the things i like about sense is the dialer it does not rotating at all! only when in car mode,so in UX 4.0 does the dialer rotate?
3.one of the features i like about touchwiz is that when you watch a video you can see it while it floats around,i know lg got qslide but i dont know if thats one of the options.
4.what apps coming with the phone and can you remove them?
5.did any of you tried greenify ? why do i ask ,well i tried to use it with samsung devices (actually s2,s4.s4 lte-a,s5 all not rooted) and it seemed like greenify didnt get along with them some why...(keyboard didnt work well,talkback didnt stop working,sms app failure and more)
6.do the camera have burst mode like sense? its not a must have feature but its a nice to have...
7.what are the sort categories on the gallery and on the music player?
8. its not a direct question about the UI but still,som one posted on the general furom that he got an update to his lg g4 i did search on google and found nothing about it,so my question is where can i find update list/changelog/or any thing that is connected to software updates...
9.do the headphone plugin on the bottom is comfortable?
keep in mind few things ,i am coming from HTC Desire so...its a huge step forward, i have bad to good english so i am sorry for the spelling mistakes and those question came from playing with other people smartphones
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I will try to answer a few of these.
1.does the phone have silent mode? with lolipop silent mode was kind of canceled at stock android smartphones and you could only put the phone on vibrate, but the manufacturer UI still had it...
It does not have silent out of the box, not sure if that can be changed once root access is found, but straight out the box, only way to mute sound is to have it connected to a bluetooth device
2.thats kind of stupid one but...one of the things i like about sense is the dialer it does not rotating at all! only when in car mode,so in UX 4.0 does the dialer rotate?
It rotates whenever you turn the phone on its side, unless you lock the screen in place
3.one of the features i like about touchwiz is that when you watch a video you can see it while it floats around,i know lg got qslide but i dont know if thats one of the options.
You are able to watch videos in Q SLide, its a small window that floats
4.what apps coming with the phone and can you remove them?
I was given the International Version, so as for what apps come on it, depends on which variant you get, whether its ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, so on. But I can say with experience, that ATT comes with tons of bloatware.
5.did any of you tried greenify ? why do i ask ,well i tried to use it with samsung devices (actually s2,s4.s4 lte-a,s5 all not rooted) and it seemed like greenify didnt get along with them some why...(keyboard didnt work well,talkback didnt stop working,sms app failure and more)
Have not tried Greenify
6.do the camera have burst mode like sense? its not a must have feature but its a nice to have...
The camera does have burst mode, just have to hold down the camera button, and it will burst until you take your finger off
7.what are the sort categories on the gallery and on the music player?
Havent really messed with this enough to notice
8. its not a direct question about the UI but still,som one posted on the general furom that he got an update to his lg g4 i did search on google and found nothing about it,so my question is where can i find update list/changelog/or any thing that is connected to software updates...
There have been no updates rolled out for the G4 as far as I know, unless you are not in the states, then I do not know
9.do the headphone plugin on the bottom is comfortable?
Its like having the plug on the top, you wont notice it any differently
Hope this helps some

jonjon3174 said:
I will try to answer a few of these
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first of all thank you for your time and answer ,now follow up questions.. =)
It does not have silent out of the box, not sure if that can be changed once root access is found, but straight out the box, only way to mute sound is to have it connected to a bluetooth device
1.sinse i have HTC Desire running GB 2.3 i can not test it out but...i heard that there are alot of widgets offering to add silent mode to lolipop is it right?
It rotates whenever you turn the phone on its side, unless you lock the screen in place
2.ho well i guess i can live with this...
You are able to watch videos in Q SLide, its a small window that floats
3.Yay.
I was given the International Version, so as for what apps come on it, depends on which variant you get, whether its ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile, so on. But I can say with experience, that ATT comes with tons of bloatware.
4.i will get that unlocked international version,i saw some where that mcfee come with it so..,anything else and can i remove mcfee?
Have not tried Greenify
5.you should try it does wonders to the battery life, if you do try it some when let me know(you dont need root for it)
The camera does have burst mode, just have to hold down the camera button, and it will burst until you take your finger off
6.Yay.
Havent really messed with this enough to notice
7.actually the most important thing to me at the music player is folder category and that you slide your finger to move to the next song or previous ,so does the lg g4 have that?
There have been no updates rolled out for the G4 as far as I know, unless you are not in the states, then I do not know
8. this is what makes it weird some one on the general furom posted he got an update ,thats why i wanted to know where i can see upcoming updates or changelogs
Its like having the plug on the top, you wont notice it any differently
9.i can imagin you are probbly right,you can get used to anything.

S10 Customization Guide v2 [No Root]

This guide was designed for S10 series, but the majority of the Guide of course is applicable to all android Pie devices as if based on apks and adb debugging, you shall test at your own desire. For adb debugging to be enabled, go to: About Phone > built number > tap until you unlock "developers option" go back and and inside "developers options" enable "adb debugging" from there.
First and foremost, I would like to express how I am amazed with the level of customization you can do without root on a Samsung nowadays, as I've been an android/samsung user for quite some time its really something to consider.
Okay, now lets cut the chase. What I really did is to put together different applications, tips and miscellaneous information together in order to achieve what I felt the most customized Device possible without root and that I think lots of users could still absorve all or at least part of this guide in their own devices.
1) First, what I did what to go through the Battery Optimisation Guide by @Corv0, which honestly speaking led me to an average of 9-10 SoT.
1.1 Even though people talk alot how they liked OneUI I cant change from Nova Launcher, its simply the ultimate Launcher experience. I recommend getting the prime version, totally worth it and you get it for life.
1.2. If you are used to Adway, you know we can't live anymore without it, but in times without root, Blokada is for me the best alternative. I also found it better and more stable than Adhell and does not need key update every now and then, thats lame!
2)If you like music and once used Ressurection Remix roms, you must have fallen in love with Pulse music bar. It simply reinvigorates the navigation bar. As an alternative I must suggest the well known Navbar app. For me its a must to change navigation bar color and enable their music visualizer.
3) If you once used xposed in a samsung, you might remember the Samtweak, and now you can have it in Pie without the need of root with great function like 180 degrees reverse (which I find very useful when using headphone jack so it does not bother you against the chest for instance), volume warning, navigation and status bar hide, etc
4) Another must in S10 plus is to use Button Mapper. Some may talk about Bixby Action app, but Button mapper is the ultimate deal with many more options, check video link.
5) Okay this is more of a personal preference, which is my case I can say: sometimes I use it, sometimes I don't. If you didn't like/ didn't get used to the front camera cutout I strongly suggest to use Status Bar and change status background color to black. I find it do the job of hiding the front camera pretty decent and improved a lot indoor and low light experience as you cant see the cutout almost never.
6) Last (so far) but not least important, if of course the installation and usage of Nice Lock (for the ones without access to Good Lock). I think we may can it as an official customization app for samsung devices. It almost made me remember Rice tweaks app. I personally like to use 7.1) Task Changer mod to change recent apps back to vertical. 7.2) Navistar to fully customize the navigation bar with different icons and 2 more buttons. The rest I didn't really use it but I suggest you install them all and see what's useful to you.
I will record a video and post it here (probably tomorrow) to show all these changes and tweaks I did and how they actually appear on my device.
------- v2 (April 26th):
Actually these are "tweaks" I had already done before v1 but simply forgot to mention on the original post however to keep things in order I will continue the numbering:
7) Bloatware removal, this is another must you have to do, specially when talking about samsung, with is known for the amount of apps its included from stock. And within this link you can easily do it through adb shell. Big thanks to @Neo3D for this amazing guide.
7.1) Once you "debloat" your device, make sure you deinstall/deactivate youtube standard version as well, and install the well known and amazing Youtube Vanced (Non Root version of course). In addition, set it as standard so it will be fully integrated to the links.
Well those are my suggestions for the customization of s10 without root (so far). If you have more tips please comment down below.

Video is up, check comment for exact cue by "tweak": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_giH6O6-Pdo

Great guide for the S10 XDA gang! Kudos

Nice guide.
Thanks
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Doesn't bloat removal cause more battery drain? I mean when the phone tries to find a certain package and cannot it is starting to heat up and etc

I started out early in the process and I was able to get Adhell running .... Seems like maybe my battery was worse after Adhell. Wondering if you guys thought, based on this guide, I should get rid of Adhell and go more this direction (for ad blocking and app/bloatware freezing) ?

FlatOutRU said:
Doesn't bloat removal cause more battery drain? I mean when the phone tries to find a certain package and cannot it is starting to heat up and etc
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Should be the other way around bro...
jcrompton said:
I started out early in the process and I was able to get Adhell running .... Seems like maybe my battery was worse after Adhell. Wondering if you guys thought, based on this guide, I should get rid of Adhell and go more this direction (for ad blocking and app/bloatware freezing) ?
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I tried both and found blokada much more stable. You can try and compare yourself, its way easier to install and get it running as well.

Also, using Blokada and it works well...

Knox bloatware removal
if the s10+ com.samsung.android.knox.containercore isn't installed at 0 then how can I remove the number one bloatware I so desired to remove?

BossEgan said:
if the s10+ com.samsung.android.knox.containercore isn't installed at 0 then how can I remove the number one bloatware I so desired to remove?
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Search Cswm app manager (for Samsung) on play store

Good!!