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source : http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Mic...D+to+Stay+Away+from+Android+/article21069.htm
"I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse."
Nokia ruffled more than a few feathers when it announced that it would be shacking up with Microsoft when it comes to smartphone operating systems. Feeling the heat from smartphone operating systems like Apple's iOS and Google's Android, Nokia is winding down its efforts with MeeGo and Symbian in order to embrace the nascent Windows Phone 7 (WP7) operating system.
Now, a new report from BusinessWeek suggests that Nokia was offered a sweet deal to go with Microsoft’s WP7 operating system over the rival Android OS. BusinessWeek says that Nokia will receive roughly $1B as a part of a 5-year deal with Microsoft.
Microsoft, of course, will also profit handsomely from its $1B investment if Nokia's WP7 offerings take off in the marketplace. Unlike with Google's freely available Android OS, Nokia will pay Microsoft a royalty fee for each WP7 handset that it sells.
“This gives Microsoft scale and allows Nokia to rip out costs,” said Colin Gillis, an analyst at BGC Partners in New York, who recommends buying Microsoft shares. “Microsoft is getting the platform boost.”
Although $1B USD is a nice motivator to adopt WP7, Nokia's Stephen Elop claims that Nokia would have gotten lost in vast sea of me-too Android devices, and that the Microsoft partnership gives it a chance to shine. “A decision to go with Windows Phone creates a very different dynamic. Windows Phone is a challenger. It becomes a three-horse race,” said Elop according to Mobile Beat.
Nokia’s Symbian operating system has been under a constant assault from Android. Android overtook Symbian as the world’s best-selling smartphone operating system in Q4 2010 (33.3 million units versus 31 million units).
The thing they forget to mention is that the $1b payment also gets Microsoft access to Nokia's immense patent library.
Which in itself would be worth the $1b payment.
dgaust said:
The thing they forget to mention is that the $1b payment also gets Microsoft access to Nokia's immense patent library.
Which in itself would be worth the $1b payment.
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do you know where a pdf can be found ? at this point its all speculation... but man it would be in.teresting !
I love when the fact that the people who operate these tech blogs are android fanboys shines through. It had nothing to do with them buying them away from android. 1 billion dollars is fair towards R&D from the company that they partnered with. They stayed away from android because as it says, if they embraced the lag that is android then they would be just another OEM in the sea of android OEMs, nothing special about them. This way they're not caught in a hardware battle since that's the only thing that sales android phones anymore.
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do you know where a pdf can be found ? at this point its all speculation... but man it would be in.teresting !
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You're right, it is all speculation (based on two people leaking) but the same sources that state the $1b also say the patent portfolio is included.
Both companies have mentioned that things like OVI maps will be integrated into Bing services, so it's not far fetched to believe that assertation.
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I love when the fact that the people who operate these tech blogs are android fanboys shines through. It had nothing to do with them buying them away from android. 1 billion dollars is fair towards R&D from the company that they partnered with. They stayed away from android because as it says, if they embraced the lag that is android then they would be just another OEM in the sea of android OEMs, nothing special about them. This way they're not caught in a hardware battle since that's the only thing that sales android phones anymore.
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And what the hell is the WP7 ecosystem if not a hardware battle? If anything Nokia could have applied their own customizations to Android alà SE Xperia - but if done properly they could have had a killer hardware software combo. If anything the MS deal is like an easy way out. A huge cash influx and a guiding hand from MS. We'll see how much value add they bring to WP7, but for now the deal just looks like a giant marketing move for a fledgling platform.
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And what the hell is the WP7 ecosystem if not a hardware battle? If anything Nokia could have applied their own customizations to Android alà SE Xperia - but if done properly they could have had a killer hardware software combo. If anything the MS deal is like an easy way out. A huge cash influx and a guiding hand from MS. We'll see how much value add they bring to WP7, but for now the deal just looks like a giant marketing move for a fledgling platform.
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Rather than hardware and apps selling an OS it's an OS selling an OS. Tel me, how well has Xperia done with their custom OS. Is it half as big as Samsung's unbelievably laggy touchwiz UI? Regardless of customization the Os is never it's own. Every intelligent person downloads a new launcher, even my mom figured that out and it took her 2 days to learn how the market worked. Two companies that were steadily falling downhill revamped themselves and joined forces, not to own the market but to get their piece of the pie.
oh please
z33dev33l said:
I love when the fact that the people who operate these tech blogs are android fanboys shines through. It had nothing to do with them buying them away from android. 1 billion dollars is fair towards R&D from the company that they partnered with. They stayed away from android because as it says, if they embraced the lag that is android then they would be just another OEM in the sea of android OEMs, nothing special about them. This way they're not caught in a hardware battle since that's the only thing that sales android phones anymore.
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let's try and keep it two notches above petty this not an android, wp7 or ios bashing thread.
id really like to see more leaks (if this one is true/real) and more detaols. a billion dollars and patent right to either companies portfolio is incredible.
on the vone hand, symbian is declared vdead... but good lord look at the patents... there has to be amazing tech ms and nokia could employ. wowzers !
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let's try and keep it two notches above petty this not an android, wp7 or ios bashing thread.
id really like to see more leaks (if this one is true/real) and more detaols. a billion dollars and patent right to either companies portfolio is incredible.
on the vone hand, symbian is declared vdead... but good lord look at the patents... there has to be amazing tech ms and nokia could employ. wowzers !
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Oh yeah, I have no doubt that both companies are going to come out hard. It's going to be amazing. I do apologize for my previous comment but that is the case with most tech blogs. Nokia had denied android long before Microsoft ever put themselves on the chopping block. I can't wait to see what comes of this partnership. I see a bright future for this infant OS.
When Elop stated the reasons why Nokia choosing Windows Phone it did seem like he was contradicting himself. But here is why it makes sense:
HTC is the king of Android, with Motorola coming in 2nd. I would argue HTC does seem to have an unfair advantage because of the close working relationship they have with Google since they developed quite a few Google branded and marketed phones, including the very first one - Google G1. I think because of this that is why they have the largest percentage of handsets on the latest firmware. If Nokia entered the Android space where would they be in the heirarchy?
Windows Phone is pretty wide open right now. They are trying to jump on the wagon before it leaves them at the station. The nay-sayers will say that is a dead wagon, but with Microsoft's money, Nokia's marketshare, and Windows Phone's potential it may very well work.
this has more to do with the allowed patents (assuming that part is real) than a phone. the patents could deal with windows8 (desktop) or current versions. keep in mind, companies don't normally toss a billion with a b around unless they are serious.
symbian does some pretty incredible stuff, and if ms were to absorb (we all are familiar with this) symbians stuffs, wow.
if anyone finds more relevant information, please do post it. remember, this is not a bash, nor a hardware thread. this is about the contract !
Yes, it doesn't have to be in the form of cash. At a previous company I worked at, MSFT invested $30 mil in the form of software and services. So some of that $1 bil/year could simply be software and services licenses to Nokia.
As for why Nokia chose WP7 -- IMO, Android is reaching a maturity level where Nokia will not be able to compete w/ other OEMs. Since WP7 is still very young, Nokia has a chance to still get in early and reap the potential for great reward. The market is saturated with Android phones, even if Nokia adds their customizations to differentiate themselves, there's still alot of competition in that space.
Michael.
^ how is that any different than the WP7 competition?
Nokia is just another OEM isn't?
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Nokia is just another OEM isn't?
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Not according to Nokia, part of the deal was that they could make changes to every part of the OS.
These changes would need to be rolled into the trunk, and made available back to MS (and the other OEMs), but they are allowed to do that.
The said they wouldn't initially as this would delay updates coming from MS. But I can see them working collaboratively with MS to make WP7 better. It doesn't make sense with other OEMs but leveraging Nokia's experience will be off benefit to MS in the long term.
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^ how is that any different than the WP7 competition?
Nokia is just another OEM isn't?
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How is that different? Well, AT&T has 7 Android phones and 3 WP7 phones. Verizon has 10 Android phones and no WP7 phones. Sprint has at least 8 Android phones and no WP7 phones. T-Mobile has at least 10 Android phones and 2 WP7 phone.
So which marketspace will offer a greater potential, one that is saturated with Android phones or one where there's only 5 WP7 offerings for the entire U.S.
Michael.
Much has been made of the Windows Phone slow start with maybe less that 2 million units in the hands of consumers. However I think that the recent predictions by Gartner, IDC etc... of about 20% by 2015 might be a little low. I think by 2015 Android and Windows Phone will have parity in software features, hardware and the number of OEM`s supporting them.
I also think the Nokia relationship definately pushes them to over 30% when you consider Nokia`s dominance in growing economies like China, India, Russia, Latin America and Africa. Its also clear how much Nokia needs windows phone to defend these markets against Android..
India and China alone are expected to see their middle class grow 10 fold by 2025. India currently has a middle class population of about 50 million people..
Its definately not just about whats happening in the North America or Western Europe!!!
This graphic tells the current state of play worldwide...
http://rww.readwriteweb.netdna-cdn....02/global-os-marketshare-feb.2011-o-27904.php
We'll see how well WP7 and Nokia really work together. From what we know, Bing Maps will get stuff from Ovi Maps (or be replaced by Ovi Maps?) and a Nokia App store will be added on top of the Windows Phone Marketplace. This might be nice for Nokia but I don't know if other phone makers will like this.
Also Nokia will not use WP7 in its current form. What that means is not very clear, but the start screen with all the pinned apps and stuff might not be there on nokia phones.
^ last I read, Nokia wont be doing any changes to the OS.
Yeah that's what I read some time ago which actually didn't bother me:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
But then a few days ago this:
http://www.liveside.net/2011/04/29/will-nokia-phones-use-metro/
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But then a few days ago this:
http://www.liveside.net/2011/04/29/will-nokia-phones-use-metro/
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That article is very misleading. The part they claim to be a translated quote of Öistämö's comments was not that at all. It was a quote of a blog's interpretation of the comment that "Nokia will not adopt Windows Phone environment as it is today". Considering how vague that comment is, it could be taken many ways.
Besides, if Microsoft were to allow Nokia to make such fundamental UI changes, after forbidding HTC from doing the same, it could destroy their relationship with their other manufacturers.
Nokia will be adding things like better camera app, Navtek Data/ovi maps into the whole wp7 system, the OVI store, and differentiating itself with its hardware. The general OS will be untouched as to provide the consistent user experience across devices MS is looking for.
I personally cannot wait for the high end Nokia Windows Phones. And I believe they will also force the other OEM's to make better hardware as well to compete.
If nokia wont change anything on wp7 they will fail. Symbian maybe outdated and old but it has lots of nice features. Nokia fanboys may find wp7 lacking on every aspect. And what about the low-end phones from nokia? Will it too have wp7 on it. Nokia definitely made a wrong choice here. Nokia dominates on the Massess.
Nokia will be using WP7 for the low end after 2012 and WP8 for the high end devices... I think they will introduce new form factors also...
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ebzrascal said:
Nokia will be using WP7 for the low end after 2012 and WP8 for the high end devices... I think they will introduce new form factors also...
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ewww, this will not sit well with people....
remember how pissed people were when they found they needed to buy vista ultimate office wildcard edition for xyz featureset ?
ok, now compound that pissed off consumer with a 2 year contract, and having to upgrade a piece of hardware ($600 off contract, no upgrade eligiblilty) to get xyz featureset...
I predict some pissed folks !
this is where apple got it right, and ms should have learned already:
same phone, just more storage
android?
a billion phones + 1 click root = any software you ever wanted
There's no way to predict anything for 2015 with any reliability. The best you can do is take current factors and extrapolate. Currently phones have very short lives (1-2 years in the hands of a customer), and without loyalty market shares change dramatically very fast. There's nothing that prevents users from switching - "apps" are too cheap to be a real barrier, and on Android they don't even serve this purpose because so many are free.
So there's brands and distribution power. Arguably, the only real smartphone brand is owned by Apple. Everything else is up in the air.
That being said, WP7 needs dozens of phones, and not just from Nokia, to have a sizable market.
Its also interesting to see what Apple is going to do with that billion dollar datacentre.
The only companies in this market with Brand Loyalty is RIM, APPLE and Nokia....
Thats why Nokia is huge for WP7 especially in the emerging markets where their lead is considerable and economic growth is much higher than the North America and Western Europe.....
If Nokia raises the profile of Windows Phone then HTC, Samsung and LG will all benifit. It will be interesting to see if Sony Ericssron and Motorola make devices in future if all goes as predicted...
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The only companies in this market with Brand Loyalty is RIM, APPLE and Nokia....
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Symbian has brand loyalty, not Nokia. If SE would start putting out Symbian phones with their hardware designs, good screens, and their good cameras, I bet a lot of people who are Symbian loyalists would go there, but Sony dumped Symbian too
Thats why Nokia is huge for WP7 especially in the emerging markets where their lead is considerable and economic growth is much higher than the North America and Western Europe.....
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That's assuming most of those people will accept the functionality disparity and go with WP7 as opposed to moving to devices from RIM or Android devices. Those forcases are all very ambitious. I don't think they will play out as well as peopel think it would. Most of them assumed like 90 to 100% of Nokia's current customers will go from Symbian to WP7, which I simply don't see happening...
If Nokia raises the profile of Windows Phone then HTC, Samsung and LG will all benifit. It will be interesting to see if Sony Ericssron and Motorola make devices in future if all goes as predicted...
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If Nokia's pricing for WP7 handsets in this part of the world is the same as their high end Symbian phone prices, they will still lose badly here to HTC/Samsung/LG/Sony/etc. because price matters.
Microsoft is giving Nokia a competitive edge over the other manufacturers at the moment.
But a manufacturer like Samsung has the capacity to make better phones than Nokia. Microsoft really limited Samsung WRT the Focus (no Hummingbird (wildly superior to 1st gen snapdragons - ESP the GPU), and it seems like the sound hardware isn't as good as the Galaxy S phones, either). Using old hardware helps manufacturers like Nokia and HTC who are trying to maximize margins, but it hurts manufacturers like Samsung who have their own, better, hardware they could use...
If they don't let up soon the other manufacturers may just drop it and concentrate on Android (except HTC, they'll just use an old blueprint and put a new OS on it and call it a day).
N8ter said:
Symbian has brand loyalty, not Nokia. If SE would start putting out Symbian phones with their hardware designs, good screens, and their good cameras, I bet a lot of people who are Symbian loyalists would go there, but Sony dumped Symbian too
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I disagree Nokia has the Brand loyalty not Symbian at least with the average customer... Nokia stands for Reliabilty and Quality in hardware and optics.
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That's assuming most of those people will accept the functionality disparity and go with WP7 as opposed to moving to devices from RIM or Android devices. Those forcases are all very ambitious. I don't think they will play out as well as peopel think it would. Most of them assumed like 90 to 100% of Nokia's current customers will go from Symbian to WP7, which I simply don't see happening...
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When Nokia devices arrive with Mango built in there will be no functionality disparity!!! between WP7 and RIM/ANDROID/IOS
N8ter said:
If Nokia's pricing for WP7 handsets in this part of the world is the same as their high end Symbian phone prices, they will still lose badly here to HTC/Samsung/LG/Sony/etc. because price matters.
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Just checked Expansys and the N8 is selling for 400ukp and the E72 250ukp which is definately comparible to Android and Blackberry...
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Microsoft is giving Nokia a competitive edge over the other manufacturers at the moment.
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Well they are giving WP7 a huge push in distribution to India, China, Russia, Latin America and African markets. China already has a smartphone market which half the size of the US market and its exected to grow rapidly. They are also bring functionality to Windows Phone like OVI Maps and Navigation.
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But a manufacturer like Samsung has the capacity to make better phones than Nokia. Microsoft really limited Samsung WRT the Focus (no Hummingbird (wildly superior to 1st gen snapdragons - ESP the GPU), and it seems like the sound hardware isn't as good as the Galaxy S phones, either). Using old hardware helps manufacturers like Nokia and HTC who are trying to maximize margins, but it hurts manufacturers like Samsung who have their own, better, hardware they could use...
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I would expect support for Hummingbird, Tegra 3 etc to come later when Windows Phone is established and are selling hundreds of millions of devices
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If they don't let up soon the other manufacturers may just drop it and concentrate on Android (except HTC, they'll just use an old blueprint and put a new OS on it and call it a day).
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Why would the OEM`s want to depend soley on Android ?? Eventually I see Motorola and especially Sony Ericsson making Windows Phones probably in late 2012...
http://www.wpcentral.com/lg-focusing-android-no-new-windows-phone-planned
the commenters on after that article are basicly flaming LG for not being a quality company, and making boring phones. given todays phones are generally a flat, keyboardless, rectangular slab, i don't see how this is true compared to other manufacturers.
i expected to see sad comments from people that wanted more for the platform. i guess the general consensus is the platform is not related to the hardware, or sales, in any way ?
it also seems it would be a tougher market to sell in being just another android device than having something different to sell.
i have zero experience with LG products. don't think i've ever bought one, so i can't comment on quality or craftsmanship.
interesting stuff.
I've owned exactly 3 LG devices. The first was the Fathom with WM6.5, it was a decent device but the screen size was so disproportional as far as length vs. width that it was unusable in portrait mode. The second was the Android-based Ally, see my comments regarding the Fathom. The last was the Quantum. If not for the inability to change MMS carrier settings I'd still have this phone.
While it is not in WP7's best interest to have manufacturers bow out and claim (in a roundabout way) that it was the OS that caused lackluster sales, it probably benefits MS to have only solid, good performing phones showing off its software. The public is very fickle and reading about LG's demise within WP7 can create a false image which MS needs to stem yesterday. It's a shame that Dell has also bowed out because the DVP is one solid device. But as in the case of LG, Dell didn't exactly make an effort to market their products and left them to die an ignominious death. Goodbye and good riddance, or as I prefer to say, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
It was never more than a tentative toe in the water from LG in respect of Windows Phone. Surprise surprise, the manufacturer's lackluster commitment has resulted in a product line that is not viable for them.
If they fail to make distinctive Android products (or products that are distinctive but clearly not at all desirable to consumers, e.g. the Jill Sanders phone) then that product line will suffer the same fate.
They put in a half-assed effort and didn't get much from it. shocking.
http://wmpoweruser.com/lg-denies-st...offer-consumers-as-wide-a-choice-as-possible/
LG denies stepping out of Windows Phone game, wants to offer consumers “as wide a choice as possible”
just FYI guys
LG not exactly quiting Windows Phone
They look like they might comeback once winPhone 8 hits the market
Speculation: "maybe lg will do x after y hits the market in z-time."
Whatever, when a hardware maker drops a product, its over unless drones of people start throwing money at them. Or companies. Or governments. It isn't happening.
I recently got a notification that google will no longer be available to Huawei devices is this only for the new Huawei devices or is this for the old devices too? If this is for the old devices too then what will happen to the old Huawei android users? Will we still be able to use google services in our phones? This news is heartbreaking for Huawei users
768mehadi said:
I recently got a notification that google will no longer be available to Huawei devices is this only for the new Huawei devices or is this for the old devices too? If this is for the old devices too then what will happen to the old Huawei android users? Will we still be able to use google services in our phones? This news is heartbreaking for Huawei users
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New devices only. Both Huawei and Google confirmed that Google play services and security updates will remain as they are for current phones
this should be called ...
Trump against the rest of the world! What this person does is not sustainable!
he provokes what nobody wants ...
Sorry, but that's my opinion !!!
PatrickPa_1 said:
this should be called ...
Trump against the rest of the world! What this person does is not sustainable!
he provokes what nobody wants ...
Sorry, but that's my opinion !!!
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Putting Huawei in the us trade blacklist is ok... But why does it have to do with the Huawei customers outside the US. Till date i did not have any problem with Trump but this policy is too much to take... Although Huawei is one of the most popular phones in the market and it runs on android. Why can't Google change their base to some other place to avoid this kind of policy?
Stupid trump policy
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Putting Huawei in the us trade blacklist is ok... But why does it have to do with the Huawei customers outside the US. Till date i did not have any problem with Trump but this policy is too much to take... Although Huawei is one of the most popular phones in the market and it runs on android. Why can't Google change their base to some other place to avoid this kind of policy?
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It's not very easy for a company the size of Google to just move out of a country. Even though Huawei is the second best selling android phone company, it's still not financially viable to move HQ to a different place
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Also there is still the option that Google may be whitelisted from the new policy. It's still beeing discussed
It's interesting how some comment on Trump policy as stupid and devastating which might be true but from the same ranks I never heard complaining about Chine doing even worse for years. Their smartphones don't have google products cause they are banned from China if I understood correctly. Now when someone finally strikes back, we should call him stupid? I'd rather call him tough. So let's really consider who started it.
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It's interesting how some comment on Trump policy as stupid and devastating which might be true but from the same ranks I never heard complaining about Chine doing even worse for years. Their smartphones don't have google products cause they are banned from China if I understood correctly. Now when someone finally strikes back, we should call him stupid? I'd rather call him tough. So let's really consider who started it.
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Yes we should call him stupid because his decision is affecting the entire world not just China. If he wanted to retaliate this way he should have tought about the consequences this brings to other people
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Yes we should call him stupid because his decision is affecting the entire world not just China. If he wanted to retaliate this way he should have thought about the consequences this brings to other people
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On the contrary. We should call China government stupid because their decision first affected whole Chine and now brought reaction with consequences to entire world. And if you think that it is wise to let someone dictate which products should be banned from his country no matter what consequences than really Chine is wise, and Trump also. But if his decision is stupid you should know that his decision is in fact reaction, while sole decision burden lies on China alone. And if you can't comprehend that, well, than you're not the one whose opinion on stupidity should matter among reasonable men. It was really time that someone gives China dictatorship a taste of their own recipe. For that I congratulate Trump.
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On the contrary. We should call China government stupid because their decision first affected whole Chine and now brought reaction with consequences to entire world. And if you think that it is wise to let someone dictate which products should be banned from his country no matter what consequences than really Chine is wise, and Trump also. But if his decision is stupid you should know that his decision is in fact reaction, while sole decision burden lies on China alone. And if you can't comprehend that, well, than you're not the one whose opinion on stupidity should matter among reasonable men. It was really time that someone gives China dictatorship a taste of their own recipe. For that I congratulate Trump.
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I don't agree with you at all but I'm not going to start a discussion with someone on the Internet. Have a good day. (also saying people's opinion doesn't matter is not the right way of making an argument. People have different opinions)
Here's some facts and opinions to put on the table:
Huawei shouldn't be advancing this fast (power consumerism basically, just like us buying things we don't need), and USA government is scared with reason, and banned some stuff, this is OK.
USA, Google and Huawei should agree on a policy to only affect Google services on USA and not on all countries where Google is implemented, that's wrong.
Donald Trump needs to be teached something it wasn't in the past, but he's "grown up" by now and the parents weren't capable probably too. People with money aren't really happy I'll tell you that, it's just not true hapiness.
Google has too much power, which is somewhat controlled, but it's too much, even for the quantity of people managing it.
I agree with some people here. There must be actions, but the right ones.
Cheers,
AS
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I don't agree with you at all but I'm not going to start a discussion with someone on the Internet. Have a good day. (also saying people's opinion doesn't matter is not the right way of making an argument. People have different opinions)
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I didn't say things that you accuse me of. While you did say that WE should call POTUS stupid. That WE includes ME. So if you want to make impression that you respect different opinions maybe you shouldn't do it in the same thread where you say how EVERYBODY should call someone stupid. And then after you're given a sip of your own meal then you want to make a step back and pretend you stand for opinion diversity. Well that's stupid according to my opinion.
And also if you are not going to start a discussion with someone than it is your choice not to do it. But you did exactly the opposite here i.e. you did start a discussion with someone.
The president of USA is an idiot and that's a fact - just watch some documentaries. They are scared of 5G, they don't care about any smartphones Huawei makes. I really do hope Huawei sorts this out and if not that their Ark OS is going to surprise us all, even if it's just an AOSP or Linux mod. I do use Google services but after that stupid decision I have started doing backups to my local, Polish cloud services just in case that idiot does something to European Union. None of the EU countries banned Huawei and they don't plan to (Angela Merkel confirmed recently).
USA is loosing power, they will eventually start a serious trade war with the East because the East is just unstoppable now. Did you see the recent MWC in Barcelona? Not even a single, innovative tech from the West over there, everyone is enjoying the Chinese tech currently, they are HUGE in Europe and I hope it stays that way. We need more players on the market and who else could win with Samsung and Apple (all USA backed) if not Huawei?
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The president of USA is an idiot and that's a fact - just watch some documentaries. They are scared of 5G, they don't care about any smartphones Huawei makes. I really do hope Huawei sorts this out and if not that their Ark OS is going to surprise us all, even if it's just an AOSP or Linux mod. I do use Google services but after that stupid decision I have started doing backups to my local, Polish cloud services just in case that idiot does something to European Union. None of the EU countries banned Huawei and they don't plan to (Angela Merkel confirmed recently).
USA is loosing power, they will eventually start a serious trade war with the East because the East is just unstoppable now. Did you see the recent MWC in Barcelona? Not even a single, innovative tech from the West over there, everyone is enjoying the Chinese tech currently, they are HUGE in Europe and I hope it stays that way. We need more players on the market and who else could win with Samsung and Apple (all USA backed) if not Huawei?
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I think they should learn with the elderly ones
My country itself has like more than 800 years and the size is like x100 times or more smaller than the USA XD which was created in 1700 XD.
And I'm not just talking about my country, but most of the countries in Europe as old as hell.
XD
Huawei can atleast start to release bootloader codes to their users of requested because atleast we have a chance to use custom roms available but rather they sent to let users give the unlock code
Majority of users don't care about locked bootloader.
If you just need the short answer to the question of this thread.
In short it's a no!
But if you care then read on, as it affects everyone, not just the UK.
The reason for the no it's primarily because the factory workers who work in Chinese OnePlus factories absolutely have to adhere to human rights guidelines,
The quality control (I know some of you just laughed, I have to admit I too got a slight case of Forrest Whittaker eye myself whilst writing it) is unbeatable, they literally tumble dry phones, the issues that the 8 pro has had were near impossible to safeguard for the most part
Similarly across the planet OnePlus should remain unaffected, although with growing tensions with Australia that may change, as well as other nations.
With that being said the employment of workers from India may very well be affected, with human rights cases on the rise and reports of low pay playing their part.
(as they often are in India due to population density and worker saturation, someone I know has trained the guys in Hyderabad and they do a lot more for a lot less)
Not to mention the friction between the Chinese and Indian governments trade (the obvious argument, money)
On the whole, for now at least OnePlus will continue globally but if tariffs end up getting slapped on you can bet your four cameras that that won't last.
I can say hands down that the OnePlus 8 Pro is the finest phone I've ever used and believe me I've had more than most, if we lose this device line it would be a waste.
It's a tedious time and a dangerous one especially for a factory worker and for some reason China wants to dispute a piece of sea larger than it's mainland, in the midst of 2021 and covid-19, an insane call in an even more insane time.
I hope for OnePlus followers and for its creators faithful who actually care about the essence of Android and what it stood and stands for today that the connection with the rest of the world is retained, it would be a travesty if we lost OnePlus and indeed Xiaomi which we surely would amongst others.
They can keep Huawei their processors are slow and their OS is over 4.5GB (for some reason? No thanks)
Might sound like I'm having a go, but I'm not, just an Android fan worried for the right reasons, maybe someone with more brains than stupidity can dig their heels in and sort it out, or maybe they can't..
Time will tell.