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I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
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I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
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Plenty on Amazon. Lengths usually go 3, 6, then 10 feet.
I see a few for 5-8 dollars with prime.
Could also go go monoprice.com
Seems like you didn't search very hard.
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Monoprice.com has many lengths of cables at very cheap prices.
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shapiro1234567890 said:
I am looking for a really long charging cable. I know about mediabridge, however I am looking for something longer. It needs to be minimum of 8ft. It needs to be a high speed charging cable. Data is nice but not necessary. HTC's OEM cable is amazing, but I need a cable which is at least 8ft. I have looked at previous forums for this and have not found anything, that is why I am posting. PRICE IS NOT A CONCERN, I'll pay $20 for such a cable, it just needs to be good and high quality and have rapid charging. Thanks.
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You really gotta search some more. Amazon has GREAT cables, but mediabridge is probably the best. I have a few of these myself. How are you saying that you need longer cables? Mediabridge has a 10ft cable and you said you only need a 8ft one? Also, rapid charging is mostly a concern of the charger itself and not the cable (unless the cable quality is absolute crap).
Yeah it may be easy to find long cables, but it's not so easy to find ones that charge as well/fast as the short, authentic HTC ones. I'd also be interested in this - did anyone already buy and experience a quickly charging, long cable?
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Yeah it may be easy to find long cables, but it's not so easy to find ones that charge as well/fast as the short, authentic HTC ones. I'd also be interested in this - did anyone already buy and experience a quickly charging, long cable?
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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There is a difference. My eBay 6ft wire charges about 3-4x slower than the authentic HTC one. 8-9hrs vs 2-3hrs is no placebo.
My bad, I should clarify. There is no difference between real, quality usb wires. Like I said, you brought a crappy cable from eBay. You can google this if you're so inclined. There's no difference between two real usb cables. Also, "real" usb cables often have the usb certification logo on them.
Tldr; buy from a reputable seller that has good reviews. Should be little to no difference in charging.
Protip: Don't buy usb cables longer than 16ft
That's better - I didn't know there was such thing as USB certification. Basically don't trust eBay unless the product is genuine/expensive. Better off going to some big-name company like best buy.
Years ago people were wholly convinced that every and all cables are the same, which is just not true. Somehow some knock-off cables have some slow charging wires or whatever. Don't know how or why, but just a warning that if you buy some random cheap cable off eBay, it might not work nearly as well as a genuine product.
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That's better - I didn't know there was such thing as USB certification. Basically don't trust eBay unless the product is genuine/expensive. Better off going to some big-name company like best buy.
Years ago people were wholly convinced that every and all cables are the same, which is just not true. Somehow some knock-off cables have some slow charging wires or whatever. Don't know how or why, but just a warning that if you buy some random cheap cable off eBay, it might not work nearly as well as a genuine product.
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Technically speaking, it all depends on the materials they used and how the wires are enclosed. I would say most of the cables you see are indeed pretty much the same, but I generally do buy things from eBay. It could've just been a fluke. I haven't had to change or buy new usb cables in a while, but in no way would I recommend getting a big-name wire like monster or whatever from your local electronics shop. Amazon should be fine if you read the reviews.
I also recommend Monoprice.com's cables. Variety of cable lengths and great customer service. No point to risk and sift through random eBay or Amazon offerings.
Monoprice 10ft 28/28AWG cable. Using the stock HTC charger. No difference in charging time.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5139&seq=1&format=2
Never cheap out on chargers, been hearing shocking stories lol. Use the USB with the HTC adapter provided. I got a 10ft tangle-free micro USB and works great.
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Sorry but I think you're wrong....
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Placebo. Wires don't charge faster or slower. You might have a better connection or so with a gold plated connector, but it's no different if the wire is from china or if it's an authentic HTC one. There is LITERALLY no difference between the original HTC wire, the mediabridge 10ft wire, 6ft wire, or the coiled 2ft wire all of which I own at least when we're talking about charging time.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
tito2013 said:
Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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The original cable is not unique. It's just a normal microUSB cable. There are charging-only microUSB cables (often included in external battery chargers) and there are also badly-made cables, but the One's cable is nothing special.
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The original cable is not unique. It's just a normal microUSB cable. There are charging-only microUSB cables (often included in external battery chargers) and there are also badly-made cables, but the One's cable is nothing special.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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Like I said, placebo. All certified wires that charge + usb transfer should have very minimal differences. You either get crappy cables, or you don't. The only problem I've ever had is the connectors falling apart. Never had a usb cable that charged my phone slower using the same adapter and I've had quite a few different cables from eBay, Amazon, etc.
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Like I said, placebo. All certified wires that charge + usb transfer should have very minimal differences.
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You'd think people would realize why this is important. Imagine how many devices you would eventually kill with wires of varying draw.
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You'd think people would realize why this is important. Imagine how many devices you would eventually kill with wires of varying draw.
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People just like to see things that aren't there. Some people just want to convince themselves that the shiny gold plated, carbon fiber monster cables are worth the 5000% or whatever ridiculous markup.
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Some USB Cables, while charging (on the same Adapter) generates an note on the screen... that the charge is very slow...
in addition I tested a few USB cables that do charge...but do not transmit data properly...
the Original HTC that came with the phone is some how unique....
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Better check a 5pin USB cable vs a 4pin USB cable... that's probably your problem. I got that all the time with my crappy rosewill cable once that I bought from newegg.
4pin vs 5pin makes a huge difference... especially when an OEM charger is at 2mA rating
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So Im in desperate need of at least one more Wall charge for my galaxy note 8.0 and Galaxy S4. The only problem is they're either pretty expensive for the more legit products, or sketchy. I just need the white box part that goes into the wall outlet. SO incredibly embarrassing and frustrating that I can't seem to figure out what it's actually called. In any case, through my searches I found this:
Qmadix 4.4A USB Triple Travel Charging Hub
It allows for three ports, but each port is designated differently. well, okay... two are the same (1A), but ones different (2.4A). I have no clue about electricity, except to know if you don't use the samsung recommended converters it could damage the battery in the long run. Im under the impression that both of my devices require 2.0A. Does this mean only the 2.4A port would work?
Is anyone familiar with this Item Ive listed? Could I use this device to power bot my Galaxy Note 8.0 AND Galaxy S4 at the same time?
It seems like such a great deal and very compact. Can't pass up without at least asking about it.
again, Im asking about the:
Qmadix 4.4A USB Triple Travel Charging Hub
This is what you NEED to get: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608578
vectron said:
This is what you NEED to get: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608578
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I appreciate the reply. I had actually seen that and immediately fell in love... but I just as quickly wrote it off because of the additional cable thats required to plug it into an outlet. I need something more compact... something with collapsible prongs.
Another one I was looking at is this one iXCC Dual USB 4.2 Amp (20 Watt) SMART High Capacity AC Travel Wall Charger...
Any thought?
Ports listed as 1A might still be able to supply 2A for your phone, but they might be right at the top of their current limiting (thus running warmer). The whole thing about using only Samsung provided charger is just to scare you off so you buy their original overpriced accessories But there is a truth to it as well, when you buy cheap stuff from ebay where they sell 1A rated outputs labeled with 2A and can run into a problem above (overheating, which causes short, which can cause a damage to your phone). Anker is a trusted brand with a decent quality control, RAVPower is good, and I heard of QMadix before as well.
Here is a problem. When you are dealing with wall outlet converters with multiple outputs that carry a lot of heat/power, you are too close to the main electrical outlet. So, I would be careful not too overload these. Maybe using 2 devices plugged in at a time is ok, but NEVER 3 at a time. When you have something like that 40W Anker converter, you are placing it away from the outlet, it exposed to air circulation from every side (cooling it better), and it should have some fuse or internal protection in case of a short. I understand, for convenience you need wall converter that plugs in, but make sure you get a double one, not the triple output one because i would consider those to be not as reliable when you are charging 3 devices at the same time while plugged into a single wall outlet directly.
Anker also make this one: www.amazon.com/Anker®-4-Port-Charger-Travel-Adapter/dp/B00EI8SS4U/ - but I would not load more than 2 ports at a time. Or if you load 3 or 4 ports, make sure it's not overnight when you are sleeping and that all 4 charging devices are not drawing max current
Btw, one quick question... The Anker 40W 5-port USB wall charger... Should I only charge 2 devices at a time with it aswell? or was that referring only to chargers that plug directly into the wall because of the heat issue?
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Btw, one quick question... The Anker 40W 5-port USB wall charger... Should I only charge 2 devices at a time with it aswell? or was that referring only to chargers that plug directly into the wall because of the heat issue?
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You can use all 5 ports on that one (40W version that doesn't plug into wall outlet directly). That how I do it all the way, mostly using 4 ports at once to charge my Note 2, my Metawatch smartwatch, my mp3/DAP player, and external battery. Sometime also add my wireless headset too
I bought Blitzwolf 3A USB-C cable which I am using in my car with Android Auto & my HTC 10.
While I am switching to 1+3t I am thinking if I can still use same cable for Android Auto+charging in car
Any ideas?
The cable should be fine, but it will be trickle charge. Only the dash chargers provide quick charging.
I got this one for $6 on Amazon and it's Benson approved. I also brought a few Otium adapters, which sell a pair for $7 and of course Benson approved. They are so small, so I just have them all over the place. One in a bag, one in the bedroom, one in the car, and one in the office. If anyone found a good Benson approved USB-C cables that sell in packs with at least one 6ft, please share.
I bought a pack of these: https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Adapter-Type-C-MacBook-Google/dp/B01ANLA6OU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480436320&sr=8-5&keywords=usb+b+to+c+adapter which work ok and I didn't have to buy all new cables, at least for now. I will eventually get a new cable though.
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I bought a pack of these: https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Adapter-Type-C-MacBook-Google/dp/B01ANLA6OU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480436320&sr=8-5&keywords=usb+b+to+c+adapter which work ok and I didn't have to buy all new cables, at least for now. I will eventually get a new cable though.
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These allowed you to trickle-charge via standard microUSB, correct? I have a 3T on the way, and I don't look forward to being chained to one charging cable.
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These allowed you to trickle-charge via standard microUSB, correct? I have a 3T on the way, and I don't look forward to being chained to one charging cable.
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Yes, they work fine. Description states it also has a 56kOhm resistor to prevent damage, but I don't really have any way of testing. I generally only use it as a backup at this point.
GiSS88 said:
Yes, they work fine. Description states it also has a 56kOhm resistor to prevent damage, but I don't really have any way of testing. I generally only use it as a backup at this point.
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I had a Oneplus One and the only thing that broke on it was the charging cable, so being tied to one cable gives me pause.
Always go for high-quality well known and reviewed usb-c cable's. As dash charge uses 4 Amps+ you will definitely need a high gauge cable (thicker copper wires) to safely carry that amount of current. Tell tail signs of cheap cables are obviously slow charging but the worse case is a buildup of heat and short out of the cables. Braided also tend to have higher wear and fraying resistance. I went for one of these Anker PowerLine+ USB-C to USB
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GN0M6NE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_O6jwyb6S54SRJ
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Always go for high-quality well known and reviewed usb-c cable's. As dash charge uses 4 Amps+ you will definitely need a high gauge cable (thicker copper wires) to safely carry that amount of current. Tell tail signs of cheap cables are obviously slow charging but the worse case is a buildup of heat and short out of the cables. Braided also tend to have higher wear and fraying resistance. I went for one of these Anker PowerLine+ USB-C to USB
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GN0M6NE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_O6jwyb6S54SRJ
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Yeah I just got one of these but Dash charging doesn't work. Might buy an extra from oneplus and reverse engineer and make my own.
I did discover the 1+3T slurps 1.5A (voltage drops to 4.6V)out of my desktop-PC USB2.0 socket when no data-connection is provided, and nicely reduces the current to 495 mA when connected to USB.
This with original dash-cable and Legion meter. I did not try for long though, as my mainboard is only rated for 1A.
From a good high current (IKEA) 3 x 2.1 A adapter it also takes 1.5A, with no voltage drop. So it looks to me that the phone is charging with 1.5A unless a dashcharger is directly connected, or reduced to 0.5 A when connected to USB.
When connected through my Legion meter, it will charge with 1.5A even if connected to a dash-charger.
From the cable-tables, you can select AWG 23 for 4.7A, AWG 27 for 1.7A and AWG 32 for 0.53A, so there is quite a difference
donalgodon said:
I had a Oneplus One and the only thing that broke on it was the charging cable, so being tied to one cable gives me pause.
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If you want to be able to quick charge you will be tied down to the stock cable. I have an abundance of USB-C cables that I used to use with my Nexus 5X (charged at 2.3A on average) and none of those cable come close to charging the OP3T at 4A. I usually get around 1.4A when using 3rd party cables.
Gor this one in AliExpress, dash working and fast delivery to Spain https://es.aliexpress.com/item/100-...-Flash-Charging-USB-Wire-For/32708785156.html
I bought this before 3 months https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ori...32695530105.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.nTY2Iz support dash
Also seeing about 1.5a while using high quality cables and powerful charger...tested using Ampere. Just glad that this is my first android phone that I don't need to charge throughout the day.
Previous phones: mytouch4g, s2, note 3, note 4, note 5.... Never really put the 6p through its paces.
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This device is officially my debut into the world of USB C; I've never had a single device that uses it. I'm excited, but also cautious as I've read it can be dangerous if you buy a less-than-reputable brand for cables.
What brands would you recommend? Ideally, available on Amazon since that is where I buy pretty much everything from
*Side question - My previous device is an S7 Edge, and as such I have multiple QC 2.0 compliant chargers around the house and in my car (including wireless). I want to clarify whether I can continue to use those and expect fast charging or not*
I am using an Anker 2.0 car charger with mine with no issue. I did have to get a USB-A to USB-C adapter to be able to plug my car dock in (it's got a fixed USB-C cable).
I bought the Anker Powerline+ cable and a 3 pack of the regular Anker Powerline cables just to toss around, they're good.
Im using usb cables from a store called five below, got 5 black meshed ones right when the s8 came out. Now they are sold out. They are 6 feet 2 and working good
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This device is officially my debut into the world of USB C; I've never had a single device that uses it. I'm excited, but also cautious as I've read it can be dangerous if you buy a less-than-reputable brand for cables.
What brands would you recommend? Ideally, available on Amazon since that is where I buy pretty much everything from
*Side question - My previous device is an S7 Edge, and as such I have multiple QC 2.0 compliant chargers around the house and in my car (including wireless). I want to clarify whether I can continue to use those and expect fast charging or not*
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Go for Anker PowerLine USB-C to USB 3.0 Cable. It has 3ft including plugs and made up of aramid fiber reinforcement which makes it stronger and more durable.
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This device is officially my debut into the world of USB C; I've never had a single device that uses it. I'm excited, but also cautious as I've read it can be dangerous if you buy a less-than-reputable brand for cables.
What brands would you recommend? Ideally, available on Amazon since that is where I buy pretty much everything from
*Side question - My previous device is an S7 Edge, and as such I have multiple QC 2.0 compliant chargers around the house and in my car (including wireless). I want to clarify whether I can continue to use those and expect fast charging or not*
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This is what I've been using on my S8+
USB C, Veckle Type C to USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) 6.6 Ft Braided USB C Cable
My S8+ arrived today, and I've ordered the following Aukey 5-pack from Amazon (UK). They will arrive tomorrow.
I've had pretty good luck with Anker and Aukey products, alike. Sounds like there's no hiccup with their USB C lineup. Has anyone used both, or prefer one over the other? Why?
disturbd1 said:
I've had pretty good luck with Anker and Aukey products, alike. Sounds like there's no hiccup with their USB C lineup. Has anyone used both, or prefer one over the other? Why?
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I've used both in the past, and have no preference and for me it comes down to price/offers and convenience (in stock/out of stock). Both make quality products in my experience, and you can't go wrong with either. I usually look first for Anker or Aukey products when I need things like cables, power packs/external batteries, car or wall chargers.
Google USB-A to USB- C, for the Pixel is the Best of them all, including Samsung
disturbd1 said:
This device is officially my debut into the world of USB C; I've never had a single device that uses it. I'm excited, but also cautious as I've read it can be dangerous if you buy a less-than-reputable brand for cables.
What brands would you recommend? Ideally, available on Amazon since that is where I buy pretty much everything from
*Side question - My previous device is an S7 Edge, and as such I have multiple QC 2.0 compliant chargers around the house and in my car (including wireless). I want to clarify whether I can continue to use those and expect fast charging or not*
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Got these cords for our S8+'s. 6.5 ft long and braided. Very nice cords.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722DMYTN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Only paid 5.98 for a 2 pack of them too!
USB Type C Cable,ESEEKGO 2 Pack Samsung S8 Charger Dirtproof Braided Charging Cable for LG V20/G6, Huawei P9, OnePlus 3 (2M/6.6FT Black+Grey) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N74X374/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_Zh9DzbZQZ9EXK
Great quality, braided, thick, and a two pack available in many sizes. Absolutely wonderful cables that work well and fast charge.
I have a fairly old laptop, and it only has the USB A connector on it
Any idea which USB C to USB A data cable I can use to connect Moto Z Play to Windows 7 laptop?
thanks!
animefans said:
I have a fairly old laptop, and it only has the USB A connector on it
Any idea which USB C to USB A data cable I can use to connect Moto Z Play to Windows 7 laptop?
thanks!
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I haven't received mine yet but I assume an A to micro plugged into a Micro female to C male adapter will work just fine for charge and xfers. But again, I haven't tested it yet. Both can be had for cheap on ebay.
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I haven't received mine yet but I assume an A to mini plugged into a mini to C adapter will work just fine for charge and xfers. But again, I haven't tested it yet. Both can be had for cheap on ebay.
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This is my first time dealing with USB C cable, but I have read (headline mostly) that USB C cable is pretty picky, and some can even fried the device
If you don't mind, can you let me know your experience with the adapter?
Thanks!
animefans said:
This is my first time dealing with USB C cable, but I have read (headline mostly) that USB C cable is pretty picky, and some can even fried the device
If you don't mind, can you let me know your experience with the adapter?
Thanks!
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Yes, my first time with USB-C connector.
1. important change in my first answer - change "mini" to "micro". (I keep confusing the 2 in my speak! I have tons of "A to micro" cables lying around to charge things like my cell phones etc. So I got and ordered adapters which go micro female to C male. I have no idea if they will be problematic.
2. been lazy so finally ordered a couple cables on ebay with description "USB-C 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Sync Data Charger Fast Charging Cable" - the important thing for me being the 3.0 type A. Even though realistically, I believe we are only using 4 conductors on a regular-speed power charge or data xfer. But the high speed charge probably uses more, but that's a separate cable attached to the wall wart charger.
3. as to them frying things , i googled and found many many many reports about that one incident. I actually expected more. What you could do to minimize this is eyeball connectors before you plug them in, and possibly shut phone off (and unplug charger) and plug C connector in to phone just to make sure it slides in easily. I believe the only USB connectors I have ever had problems with were very recent: micro male attached to the end of some cheap 10-20$ "endoscopes". Really had problem getting them in to my Moto G3, but no shorts.
Lightening can strike anywhere and anytime. We can just do our best to be careful!
Certainly I'll let you know my experience though I have yet to see the phone hit the post office.
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Yes, my first time with USB-C connector.
1. important change in my first answer - change "mini" to "micro". (I keep confusing the 2 in my speak! I have tons of "A to micro" cables lying around to charge things like my cell phones etc. So I got and ordered adapters which go micro female to C male. I have no idea if they will be problematic.
2. been lazy so finally ordered a couple cables on ebay with description "USB-C 3.1 Type C Male to 3.0 Type A Male Sync Data Charger Fast Charging Cable" - the important thing for me being the 3.0 type A. Even though realistically, I believe we are only using 4 conductors on a regular-speed power charge or data xfer. But the high speed charge probably uses more, but that's a separate cable attached to the wall wart charger.
3. as to them frying things , i googled and found many many many reports about that one incident. I actually expected more. What you could do to minimize this is eyeball connectors before you plug them in, and possibly shut phone off (and unplug charger) and plug C connector in to phone just to make sure it slides in easily. I believe the only USB connectors I have ever had problems with were very recent: micro male attached to the end of some cheap 10-20$ "endoscopes". Really had problem getting them in to my Moto G3, but no shorts.
Lightening can strike anywhere and anytime. We can just do our best to be careful!
Certainly I'll let you know my experience though I have yet to see the phone hit the post office.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic!
I will also do my own research as well, and see what I learn
It might not be as bad as I think/perceive!
animefans said:
Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic!
I will also do my own research as well, and see what I learn
It might not be as bad as I think/perceive!
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I have the unit and have done a ton of plugging/un- and though I notice the connection is slightly stiff, I have noticed no problems with the USB-C.
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I have the unit and have done a ton of plugging/un- and though I notice the connection is slightly stiff, I have noticed no problems with the USB-C.
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I have not do very thorough reading, but from what I gather, the issue with USB-C is the potential for USB-C device (maybe 3 amps) to pull more current than the USB-A port can supply (most likely 2 amps), thus frying the USB-A port
A USB-C to USB-A cable that has 56 ohm resistor will avoid this issue by forcing the client (usb C device) to draw as much power as the host (usb A port) can supply
Here are the pages that I read on this topic
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-usb-type-c-cables-682801/
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-and-other-usb-devices-as-quickly-as-possible
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-find-safe-usb-type-c-cables
animefans said:
I have not do very thorough reading, but from what I gather, the issue with USB-C is the potential for USB-C device (maybe 3 amps) to pull more current than the USB-A port can supply (most likely 2 amps), thus frying the USB-A port
A USB-C to USB-A cable that has 56 ohm resistor will avoid this issue by forcing the client (usb C device) to draw as much power as the host (usb A port) can supply
Here are the pages that I read on this topic
https://www.androidauthority.com/best-usb-type-c-cables-682801/
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-and-other-usb-devices-as-quickly-as-possible
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-find-safe-usb-type-c-cables
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Thanks for this. A close read of that indicates to me that there is going to be a ton of arguing over what is safe, and some burnt out 5v power rails in some, especially older, computers.
The mention of 56Kohm resister in cables has caused some cable sellers to advertise that, but having that, in and of itself, I believe doesn't do anything - you need load balancing circuitry in both the phone AND the charger to utilize it.
I read this quote with amusement "A good cable uses a deep-draw extrusion method that produces a Type C plug that is a single piece of metal and does not have a visible seam on one side of the plug,". My phone came with a factory Motorola hi speed charger that is rated for 5v 3a (15w), and it's C plug has just such a "bad" seam. So many people make such blanket statements that simply are not true.
I looked at one of my wall-wart chargers(this particular one is stamped Samsung) and it is rated at 5v, 0.7a (3.5w), so it's a good bet that if I plug my old A to micro to micro-to-C adapter to phone, that nothing bad will happen. Another one (Moto) rated at .8a. A 3rd one that came with my Moto G3 is rated .55a .
1)So if one goes to ebay and buys a wall wart rated at 5a and uses old cables and adapter to plug it to a Moto Z, what will happen? Dunno!
2) I have had my Moto z plugged very often to my computer with just such an arrangement and have not noticed any "fast charging".
I have a huge 850w PSU in my computer, but that does not mean that all that amperage available on the rail is permitted through the USB connection. Intel offers some ideas and I would bet that most current mobos have such limiting circuitry: I am sure older (than 10 yrs?) do not, or at least not as effective.
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/whitepapers/power_delivery_motherboards.pdf
The phone also has smart limiting circuitry, but of course I don't know what it is.
Am I more in jeopardy with an old A to micro cable with C adapter, or a new A to C cable. Dunno. Certainly any wall wart should be from the/a phone mfgr, or rated below an amp or so. I don't know if you can make this phone fast charge for 30 min if it's rated for 3a, without an official charger. The remainder of the charge time is governed by the phone to be at a much slower rate.
With this new phone, I have yet to connect it to a wall wart other than for 5 min to the official one just to make sure it worked, and I don't recall any high speed message. It winds up getting a 100% charge just by being plugged into my computer since I am doing file transfers and the like.
As to the plugs themselves, you can run much more amperage through an A (few wide conductors) than a C (many very thin conductors).
A very great deal is being made of this one incident. It is hard for me to understand how a different cable can burn out a computer. You can run 10 amps through any cable (though it will get more than a tad warm!), but amps in a cable is not a problem. It's the governor, or lack thereof, in the source (wall wart or computer) and the target (phone or another computer). If the computer presents a short circuit to the cable, something will surely fry, but no device, these days, should ever do that.
A cable (they all are made in China, but there are many factorys there with widely varying QC), with an M stamp on it or not, is still just 4 wires in a sheath. If it is poorly made, or the connectors at the ends are poorly made or poorly attached, there will be trouble.
Okay, that's enough words for this post, but, for sure, this topic will be around forever!
EDIT: C type connectors have been in use on phones for years now. Why have we not heard of any phones destroyed???????
KrisM22 said:
Thanks for this. A close read of that indicates to me that there is going to be a ton of arguing over what is safe, and some burnt out 5v power rails in some, especially older, computers.
The mention of 56Kohm resister in cables has caused some cable sellers to advertise that, but having that, in and of itself, I believe doesn't do anything - you need load balancing circuitry in both the phone AND the charger to utilize it.
I read this quote with amusement "A good cable uses a deep-draw extrusion method that produces a Type C plug that is a single piece of metal and does not have a visible seam on one side of the plug,". My phone came with a factory Motorola hi speed charger that is rated for 5v 3a (15w), and it's C plug has just such a "bad" seam. So many people make such blanket statements that simply are not true.
I looked at one of my wall-wart chargers(this particular one is stamped Samsung) and it is rated at 5v, 0.7a (3.5w), so it's a good bet that if I plug my old A to micro to micro-to-C adapter to phone, that nothing bad will happen. Another one (Moto) rated at .8a. A 3rd one that came with my Moto G3 is rated .55a .
1)So if one goes to ebay and buys a wall wart rated at 5a and uses old cables and adapter to plug it to a Moto Z, what will happen? Dunno!
2) I have had my Moto z plugged very often to my computer with just such an arrangement and have not noticed any "fast charging".
I have a huge 850w PSU in my computer, but that does not mean that all that amperage available on the rail is permitted through the USB connection. Intel offers some ideas and I would bet that most current mobos have such limiting circuitry: I am sure older (than 10 yrs?) do not, or at least not as effective.
http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/whitepapers/power_delivery_motherboards.pdf
The phone also has smart limiting circuitry, but of course I don't know what it is.
Am I more in jeopardy with an old A to micro cable with C adapter, or a new A to C cable. Dunno. Certainly any wall wart should be from the/a phone mfgr, or rated below an amp or so. I don't know if you can make this phone fast charge for 30 min if it's rated for 3a, without an official charger. The remainder of the charge time is governed by the phone to be at a much slower rate.
With this new phone, I have yet to connect it to a wall wart other than for 5 min to the official one just to make sure it worked, and I don't recall any high speed message. It winds up getting a 100% charge just by being plugged into my computer since I am doing file transfers and the like.
As to the plugs themselves, you can run much more amperage through an A (few wide conductors) than a C (many very thin conductors).
A very great deal is being made of this one incident. It is hard for me to understand how a different cable can burn out a computer. You can run 10 amps through any cable (though it will get more than a tad warm!), but amps in a cable is not a problem. It's the governor, or lack thereof, in the source (wall wart or computer) and the target (phone or another computer). If the computer presents a short circuit to the cable, something will surely fry, but no device, these days, should ever do that.
A cable (they all are made in China, but there are many factorys there with widely varying QC), with an M stamp on it or not, is still just 4 wires in a sheath. If it is poorly made, or the connectors at the ends are poorly made or poorly attached, there will be trouble.
Okay, that's enough words for this post, but, for sure, this topic will be around forever!
EDIT: C type connectors have been in use on phones for years now. Why have we not heard of any phones destroyed???????
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Certainly a good read, and another perspective on this matter!
I can't argue with anything you said
I am also in no position to offer any additional opinion, since I don't know squat on this topic. My first USB C device
But you do touch on an excellent point: not a whole lot of reported issue with damage related to USB C.
As statistics goes, 1 sample is not representitive
It is a data point, and that's a fact, but you can't draw solid conclusion from 1 incident
animefans said:
Certainly a good read, and another perspective on this matter!
I can't argue with anything you said
I am also in no position to offer any additional opinion, since I don't know squat on this topic. My first USB C device
But you do touch on an excellent point: not a whole lot of reported issue with damage related to USB C.
As statistics goes, 1 sample is not representitive
It is a data point, and that's a fact, but you can't draw solid conclusion from 1 incident
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On the other hand I will try to get a 4-5' cable that supposedly has 56Kohm resisters in it...
KrisM22 said:
On the other hand I will try to get a 4-5' cable that supposedly has 56Kohm resisters in it...
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For science?
animefans said:
For science?
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Actually for possible protection of my old wall warts. If I understand correctly, using a 56Kohm cable keeps current low (slow charge). I'd hate to think what my wall wart would look like it my Moto z tried to pull 3 amps out of it!!!
EDIT - It also just seems a prudent thing to do...
Do you have any preferences?
I just ordered these on ebay: "USB C Cable (2-Pack 6ft) Anker PowerLine USB C to USB 3.0 Cable with 56k Ohm Pul"