Exynos smoothness? - Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion

Exynos smoothness? - Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ Guides, News, & Discussion

After all these promising reports on how smooth the SD version is, it is time to ask the same about the international version too. I know the 855 wins in synthetic benchmarks, but whats the deal with everyday usage?

I have the UK 5G version on Exynos. First thing I did was activate the High Performance power mode. Coming from the Note 8 its loads smoother. The odd scrolling hitch here and there but nothing to complain about. It's probably the smoothest Android experience Ive ever seen outside a Pixel.

Most unfortunately if ones top desire in a smart phone is absolute total smoothness one has to down grade to the iPhone XS max and suffer the vast amount of greater negatives that experience brings. Me, never again!
There is a difference though.....here, now, side by side testing and for smoothness...Need to bend over, grab ones ankles and take the fruity brand! Good luck with that.

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Are you swapping your One X for an S3? Should I?!

Hi all.
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'. I obviously don't agree with them and I'm not particularly pleased that Samsung have created their own band of little fanboys like Apple have.
What is your position on this?
The way I see it, the One X:
Looks and feels massively superior, like a premium, well designed product
Has a better screen, the S3 screen is no different to the Nexus and most people would agree the One X runs rings around it in all areas except for black levels
Has a pretty equal camera, that's better in low light
The only main downside to the X is that the video recording is a bit stuttering, but aside from that it's pretty good.
Am I overlooking anything, I don't care about expandable storage. Why are people getting so 'heated' and upset over these things, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to prefer the One X.

For me main advantage of galaxy is its by far superior battery life.

This thread will probably get closed.
but just thell them;
A)They don't know what they're talking about.
B)It's not innovative, Pop up play, SVoice, all copied.
C)Ugly design
D)Ugly pentile matrix
E) less feature packed camera with Supposedly a worse camera from test shots (Will be seen)
F) It has touchwiz (Enough to turn me away)
And I'd your clutching at straws then G) It gas Nvidias tightly knitted support with game developers meaning optimised HD games for The One X, not for the S3
They're my reasons anyhow, I would have sold my One X if the S3 proved to me it was Better, but it didn't so saved me the hassle

by all means the difference is unfounded, though its true SGSIII is some what slightly better,
there are 3 differences worth mentioning, beside looks feels and fanboy preference,(HOX vs SGSIII)
1)Rom, im only mentioning this because whatever is found in one can and will be ported to the other
2)Battery 1800Ah vs 2100mAh
3)Nvidia vs Exynos
about the GPU im not sure how thing work with these,
but something tell me that Nvidia's game will be Nvidia GPU exclusive,
whether they can be patched it beyond me,
while i dont see Exynos Exclusive Games, correct me if im wrong.
so i hope this blows your friends comment about 'blows it out of the water'
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about better life i dont personally know how it compares
specially with T3 & its 4+1 core arrangement

Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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scuzzbag87 said:
Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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By your logic the iPhone must be the best phone on the planet because it sells the most.

Dtguilds said:
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'.
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Yeah mate, you should always give in to peer pressure. Whatever you do, don't stand by your own assessments. Seriously, what are you waiting for? Run!

I really hate touchwiz. Its just not as beautiful and functional. Sense always has very small nitty gritty details covered and I really see the effort in making the user experience awesome, save the bloat as compared to stock or other manufacturer skins. It all depends on what the user is looking for in the end anyway

As everyone knows S3 has better specs, but do they really matter to you? S3 may get higher benchmark scores, but in reality user experience will be pretty similar, perhaps with the exception of gaming. Unless you play lot of games you are not going to notice any difference. Both phones are going to be limited by the amount of RAM far before they are going to be bottle necked by processing power, so you are not really gaining much.
The only downside of One X (for me at least) is battery life and lack of a removable battery. I personally believe OneX's battery life will get better with new firmware releases and tweaks, but even with all the tweaks it may still fall behind S3. Again, how important is it ? For me a phone that can last 1 day or 1.5 days makes no difference because I only charge my phone at night. If it can last a day that is more than enough for me. But a day's use depends on the user and if One X cant last a day, then it could be a real deal breaker. For me this is the only rational reason for anyone already having a One X to upgrade to a S3.
Finally what about cost of upgrading? Right now there is a considerable value difference between the two (depending on your region it could be as high as $250). For me S3 is not worth that much more. Since you already have a One X the upgrade will cost you even more. Given everything IMO you are better off holding on to your One X (and money) for at least a year or so till something worthy comes along (i.e: 2GB, better cam/12MP??, better processor, better screen, Android 5)
I’m still contemplating on my next smartphone, but so far the price difference and S3's hideous design has pushed me towards One X. I don’t want to spend close to $800 on a phone that’s going to be outdated in a year or a year and a half at most.

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Refund Snapdragon For Exynos?

My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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Take a look at this before making any decisions...

TEKHD said:
Take a look atthisbefore making any decisions...
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That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?

acheney1990 said:
That does seem like a pretty big difference. Does it tend to translate to real life difference?
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Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.

acheney1990 said:
My carrier (Bell in Canada) has agreed to let me do a refund on my Snapdragon Note 7 because of the recall. I was thinking of then going and buying a Exynos version because I get lag with my Snapdragon version which drives me nuts. I was looking into B&H Photo because they provide a 1 year warranty and say they will be getting new stock of the "f" model around Sept 18 that is safe from the recall. I would end up paying about $500 extra to switch versions and be contract free. Is it worth it? Is rooting and performance that much better?
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I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update

Batfink33 said:
Yes, the Exynos is much smoother in real life. The SD is a bit of a fail in the Note 7.
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I agree get the Exynos if you can. The Snapdragon is full of problems and terrible battery life compared to the Exynos version.
Literally the only way I can make my Exynos lag is too open all 120 apps while multi windows + running Antutu (exaggeration obviously) in all seriousness I have never seen my device lag even when gaming order and chaos 2, dead trigger 2, Pokemon Go, clash of clans..etc

stevierayvaughan said:
I'm with Bell as well, how did you get them to agree? The only thing I have seen is this: http://support.bell.ca/mobility/smartphones_and_mobile_internet/samsung_galaxy_note7_update
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I talked to them today over chat support. I asked about exchange or refund. They seemed reluctant at first but said were gonna put a note in my account for when I went back to the store I got it from... Saying to refund it. No if they actually do so at the store or what trouble they give me is another thing.

So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!

phame said:
So here is my story...
I bought the Note 7 in Hong Kong (SMN-9300). Normally in HK all previous note / galaxy releases have always come with the Exynos chipset. So to my surprise when i picked up my brand new Note 7 on September 2nd, It had the SD 820. After reading hundreds of posts on here and other forums and seeing lots of users claim the Exynos was better I went and bought a Singapore Version SMN-930F which comes with an Exynos CPU. After 2 days of using both I can honestly say there is LITTLE to no difference in real life everyday use.
I had let my obsession get the best of me and shelled out the money to buy a second Note 7 just because everyone was saying "Get the exynos" "Its soooo much better". This is total B.S. Im holding both devices right now and I can promise you there is NO huge noticeable difference. Ive heard reports of lags on both the Exynos and Snapdragon version. But both devices which i have run smooth and fine. The battery life is almost identical, perhaps slightly better on the Exynos. But its hardly noticeable at all. I find that the SD has MUCH better GPU performance and does not run nearly as hot as the Exynos.
After obsessively benchmarking both, I've come to the conclusion that they are almost identical in most cases. The SD version always destroys the Exynos on the Antutu (Which is mostly to test GPU / Graphics). While the Exynos crushes the SD on geek Bench (More CPU geared). As for other tests like Basemark OSII, Vellamo PCMark etc they both score almost identically. To be honest I really don't think these benchmark results mean much and are not very relevant to the everyday user. Because despite the bench mark results, I find that the Exynos handles games / graphic intensive tasks just as well as the SnapDragon 820. And the SD runs as fast, and is just as responsive as the Exynos.
The moral of the story is don't over think things like i did! Save your $500 bucks and stick with the SD version. After using both devices for a few days i can tell you from HONEST experience there is no noticeable difference between the 2. They are both totally capable of runnings apps, web browsing, watching movies, playing games and things that most users need. If there was a HUGE difference between the 2 I would tell you go ahead and spend the $500. But in all honesty you will be disappointed when you shell out the $500 bucks and get the Exynos and notice there is little to no noticeable difference.
In you initial post, you stated that your SD version is laggy, and thats why you want to exchange to the Exynos version. But take a look at some of the SM-930F (Exynos) posts on XDA and you will see users facing the same problems with the Exynos version. From lagged typing / keyboards, Boot Loops, Screen issues to over all lagged performance. Yet as mentioned I have two Note 7's (SD & Exynos) and have not had any of the above mentioned problems on either. I suspect the problem could be related to the early produced models, Battery issues, or software issues. Have you tried to factory reset your note? Make sure it has the latest software update and try it then?
Also keep in mind both devices are still reasonably new. And with the whole exploding battery fiasco, Samsung probably has not had much time to focus on software updates. Im sure after the Battery / recall issues are resolved and the device has been on the market for a few months both versions will get several updates which will make them even better.
Hope this helps!
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I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.

the only issue I'm having with the exynos is button lag (have to keep pressing the button esp on the phone app before it works) and occasional reboots. It also hung when sending a SMS whilst listening to music, taking 2 restarts to go back to normal.

imatts said:
I think you're missing the biggest advantage of the Exynos variant. A lot of users love it for its superior battery life, and having used yours for little time, you probably wouldnt have had enough time to thoroughly test it. Correct me if im wrong!!
I would happily dish out $500 for a Note 7 that lasts 2 extra hours of the screen on, especially with less lag. I can personally confirm the SD Note 7 is trash.
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Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.

phame said:
Ive been using both phones (Exynos & Snapdragon) for a few days now. Again im using the INTERNATIONAL version of the SD (SM-N9300). This model was only released on September 2nd, so maybe its better than the US snapdragon version released almost a month before. Meaning maybe samsung has made some changes / tweaks to the phone to make it run better.
- Lag : When comparing the 2 I see little to NO lag in either phone. And to be honest when I do see the occasional bit of lag its on the Exynos version! This normally happens when typing . I have yet to experience lag on the SD version.
- Battery life : I Can confirm that there is NO where near a 2 hour advantage. I have left both phones on next to each other for 2-3 hours strait and the difference in battery drop has been max 3-5%( So for example the SD would be at 85% and the Exynos would be at 88%).
And if you are advising him to "happily dish out $500 for 2 hours battery life" That sounds a bit silly. For $500 bucks you could go buy yourself a whole second phone like the OnePlus 3. Which would give you a lot more for your money.
Hell for $500 bucks you could grab a brand new OnePlus 3 + External portable charger + order a pizza!
Also as mentioned I'm almost certain the difference in battery life is no where near 2 hours. More like an extra 15-30 minutes at MOST. I will post more accurate details after testing the phones further in the coming days.
As of now the ONLY advantage I'm seeing with the Exynos is the ability to root it now. And that is presuming that you are willing to VOID the warranty on a brand new $800-900 phone you just bought. Im sure down the line the SD version will be rooted. And with everything available today (App De-enabler, Helium, etc) rooting is not much of a priority for most as it used to be. I would honestly be hesitant to root my Exynos version being that its a expensive devise and still very new. I don't want to risk voiding my warranty just yet.
So in short:
BOTH VERSIONS - Little to no lag, Perform fine.
Exynos - Slightly better battery (3-5% overall is my estimate), ability to root NOW, if you are willing to void your warranty.
SnapDragon (SM-N9300 International version) - Slightly better GPU processing. Does not get as hot when running heavy / graphic intensive games. No lag issues with keyboard. No crashes / boot loops yet.
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So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.

acheney1990 said:
So you don't experience the issue with the Snapdragon where the phone will be super fast like 90 percent of the time and then just gets super leggy and slow... So that for example if you're typing you have to wait for it to catch up... Typing one letter at a time? That's what happens to mine... 90 percent fast. .. 5 percent slow and 5 percent unbearablly slow. It doesn't seem to have any pattern or reason... Every with very little open it will start to stutter like that.
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Nope.
I have been using the SM-N9300 (Hong Kong version) of the Note 7 w/ the Snap Dragon 820 for 6 days now. Have not had a single lag issue. No problems whatsoever with the typing. I have installed and used the stock Samsung, Google and Swift Key keyboards and all of them work perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever.
What is funny is that the Exynos version I recently purchased and have had for almost 3 days now, has had that lag with typing. But only once or twice and nothing too extreme. There is actually a whole thread of people using the Exynos version who are experiencing the Key board lag issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/galaxy-note-7-singapore-thread-sm-t3444909
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/help/note-7-repeated-restart-bootloop-issues-t3444510/page11

Snapdragon = locked bootloader.
Exynos= unlocked.
That's all that needs to be said and should be an easy choice if your here on XDA.
sent from my Note 7 or S6

Might be blasphemy here but after years of custom ROMs on S3 and shortly on S5 (which made the experiences great, no doubt), I can't think of any reason to need root with what I can do on the Note 7 as it is. Even Good Lock takes me back to that nice notification and quick settings I was used to. Of course that's just my requirements of the phone, no doubt plenty want root.

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Exynos 9820 Performance

There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?

From my experience with the exynos galaxy s9+ I can tell you that exynos chips are more designed for daily usages. Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.

Corv0 said:
...if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
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How did they scam anyone?

Outbreak444 said:
How did they scam anyone?
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.

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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.

Outbreak444 said:
Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.

Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.

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Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.

klanac8901 said:
Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Comparing node density at these levels is not better than bragging about having 1 extra centimeter somewhere, irrelevant if not implemented properly, and node density improvements are supposed to bring theoretic improvements, there's no guarantee they always do.
Look at Kirin's 7nm, very early product and poorly implemented, Apple's jump from 10 to 7 nm also showed quite unimpressive improvements, completely insignificant in real world usage singe iPhone's battery life sucks unless the phone is locked.
And no, it's not a cheaper SoC for the EU, you can literally count how many countries get the Snapdragon on a single hand. The whole rest of the world gets Exynos, stop thinking you're in the center of the universe.

@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
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Corv0 said:
Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Samsung heavily advertised their new chip as being efficient. With that said, you should get better battery life as well as a great chip at a minimum. Then, for dev's and users like yourself, there will be the ability to tweak every little thing on your phone to improve speed and keep that efficiency. Sure, right out of the box you may not be the best but you're damn close. Give a developer the tools needed and it could, and probably will, become what you want it to be or even greater.
Samsung doesn't scam people, they've made a name for themselves and I would think they want to keep it that way. The Exynos is their baby, you don't think they'd make a crap product for the majority of their users do you? How else would they get their customers to return?
I did see that video earlier, looks pretty sweet if you ask me. I'm excited to see what this phone is capable of in the long run.

Outbreak444 said:
@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.

Corv0 said:
I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.

Outbreak444 said:
All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.

Corv0 said:
Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Exactly why I said that.
Light use of those phones may not have resulted in any noticing issues tough.

I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post

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I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks

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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Here you go

How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.

MrPhilo said:
How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.

Corv0 said:
Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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That's not a scam. Your definition of scam doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to sell something slower than last generation, that's fine, you got your information, don't buy it. They aren't hiding anything from you, they are pretty much giving you all the information before you buy it. You're the one at fault for buying it. Plus this is faster than last Exynos generation, so it's actually valid for the continent it sold at.

How bad is the S20+ Exynos really?

Hi guys,
I understand there are many threads regarding this, and I've spent pretty much the entire day scouring through them, but I still see conflicting information and I want a definitive answer as to whether I should cancel my order of the Galaxy S20+ Exynos. I also wanted to ask a few questions which don't seem to get asked in any other threads.
So my first primary question is: is the S20+ Exynos really that bad? Coming from a Galaxy S8 and the price being quite expensive on contract, am I likely to entirely regret the purchase? Will I still see a significant improvement in terms of battery life and thermals compared to my S8?
I'm generally not a huge power user; would maybe play the occasional game of CODM or Antimatter Dimensions (Pretty much an idle game, so I doubt it'd cause any throttling, but from what I've heard of some users experiencing heat problems when scrolling through Facebook, I wouldn't be surprised.) The one thing that has me on the fence is the lack of consistency; I've read loads of threads talking about it's issues, but then loads of people saying they love the phone and are getting pretty good battery life with it, saying they are on Exynos. I'm wondering whether the whole thing is blown out of proportion or is it completely justified?
One point which I haven't really saw people mention is that originally people were saying that the device 'learns your usage'; the phone has been out for 2 months now, has anyone noticed any significant difference in battery life/thermals?
Another point that I was wondering that I don't really see mentioned is any update to fix the issue; is it possible to fix these issues with software updates? I understand that there's the fix for the green screen issue, but I'm more concerned about the battery life and thermals.
I'm really at a loss here. There doesn't really seem to be any other phone that appeals to me other than the S20+ that I can buy on a carrier that gets good signal where I live, apart from maybe the iPhone 11 Pro, but that is quite a bit more expensive. I'm even debating just getting the normal iPhone 11, but the LCD screen is putting me off. I really don't want to spend this much money on a phone only for the performance and battery life to be so badly hindered.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sammy Fanboi here who, until the S20 had every samsung flagship since S4, I also had Note Series devices. And every device got hate about something... really every device always has some mini scandal/gate... I never saw those flaws on those devices or better said they never affected me. But this time, most things said is unfortunately true.
My issues:
Thermals. This is big because thermals are very important on every device not only phones. If the brains is negatively affected it can't operate at it's full potential and everything suffers from it.
The S20 exynos gets hot very easily and fast which means no 120Hz which is a main feature that you can't use anymore! Oh you wanna play games? ok have fun for 10 minutes because after those 10 minutes you get teleported back a few years and you now playing on s S7. Everything stutters frames start dropping and you notice the change obviously instantly from from the smooth gameplay before. Now you get frustrated and stop playing. This happens faster in warm climates like right now. This happens on everything that stresses the SOC not even in a very extreme way but just medium and over a longer period. And this issue is real.
Besides the fact that there are S20's in the world with SD SOC's that cost the same and don't have this issue or are even more capable is just not fair and such ****ty move from sammy.
But SD S20's are not perfect either, they also suffer when compared to other devices with the SD865! There is this youtube channel called techutopia or something which does emulator tests and he tested in a video 3 SD865 devices and the S20 performed the worst even with the same SOC because of sammys bad thermals!
For this reason alone I would skip the S20 exynos or even the S20 series all together.
Battery is the same on every device of mine! No difference there. Every device I owned get's me trough the day without a problem but I have to charge overnight. No change in that. But don't expect the S20+ to deliver any miracles.
Display seems ok on mine no crazy green tint issue like some people post where the display looks like some cheap lcd with extreme green clouding issues. My Display looks like it changes it's color profile at lower brightness settings on a gray background but at least no clouding. OLED lottery...

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chieco said:
Sammy Fanboi here who, until the S20 had every samsung flagship since S4, I also had Note Series devices. And every device got hate about something... really every device always has some mini scandal/gate... I never saw those flaws on those devices or better said they never affected me. But this time, most things said is unfortunately true.
My issues:
Thermals. This is big because thermals are very important on every device not only phones. If the brains is negatively affected it can't operate at it's full potential and everything suffers from it.
The S20 exynos gets hot very easily and fast which means no 120Hz which is a main feature that you can't use anymore! Oh you wanna play games? ok have fun for 10 minutes because after those 10 minutes you get teleported back a few years and you now playing on s S7. Everything stutters frames start dropping and you notice the change obviously instantly from from the smooth gameplay before. Now you get frustrated and stop playing. This happens faster in warm climates like right now. This happens on everything that stresses the SOC not even in a very extreme way but just medium and over a longer period. And this issue is real.
Besides the fact that there are S20's in the world with SD SOC's that cost the same and don't have this issue or are even more capable is just not fair and such ****ty move from sammy.
But SD S20's are not perfect either, they also suffer when compared to other devices with the SD865! There is this youtube channel called techutopia or something which does emulator tests and he tested in a video 3 SD865 devices and the S20 performed the worst even with the same SOC because of sammys bad thermals!
For this reason alone I would skip the S20 exynos or even the S20 series all together.
Battery is the same on every device of mine! No difference there. Every device I owned get's me trough the day without a problem but I have to charge overnight. No change in that. But don't expect the S20+ to deliver any miracles.
Display seems ok on mine no crazy green tint issue like some people post where the display looks like some cheap lcd with extreme green clouding issues. My Display looks like it changes it's color profile at lower brightness settings on a gray background but at least no clouding. OLED lottery...
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Damn.
Honestly, I was hoping for a different answer, but I think this is the answer I needed.
I've been with Samsung since the S6, got the S7 Edge and then S8 and had no real reason to upgrade since that as it's just been such a perfect phone. Samsung have lost a pretty easy sale here and if this issue didn't exist then I would've been happily using an S20+ right now.
Honestly I don't know what to do from here in terms of my phone; I've never owned an iPhone, and never even thought about buying one until now, but the iPhone 11 or XS are the only phones other than the S20+ that really appeal to me. I would be looking at the OP8 but it's not available on contract with O2. I'm tempted to just keep my S8 until a phone that does appeal to me comes out, but I don't know how much life my S8 still has in it as I've had it for over 2 1/2 years; it seems to be doing alright for now but with some noticeable slow down. One thing I will say is that the S8 has been a damn near exceptional phone and made me a loyal Samsung customer, but this has just completely backtracked that.
Thanks for the post, it was a great help. Definitely going to cancel my order and have a think about other options.

I have an S20+, and personally while I'd "prefer" the SD version, for me the Exynos is not as bad as some people make out.
Yes, the SD version is faster in benchmarks, but the reality is in day to day use who is going to actually notice? And yes, while it's not as quick as the SD, it's not exactly a "slow" chip.
I had the reboot issue at the start, but this has been fixed for me with a software update.
As I said given the choice, I'd have picked the SD version, but we are talking about is it really THAT BAD here, right?
I don't game much on my phone, but I do everything else pretty heavily and my phone never even feels warm in general use. I have read some people say their devices get hot just browsing, watching Youtube etc.
Mine has never even got mildly warm watching Youtube or in general use... I even tested it and it's temp hovered about 34c in use, while at idle it was 31c. This makes me wonder if there's something else going on there? Ie: Configuration issue? Or if maybe not all Exynos 990's are equal? I can't answer that.
I have spent some time tuning the phone, as I do with every phone I have, and I've been generally happy overall. If I run at 96hz I regularly get 7.5hr to 8hr+ SOT a day, after more updates and tweaking, at 120hz I can get 6.5hrs to 7hrs SOT. As I said, I take to time to optimise every phone I have like this, so I'm not doing anything I wouldn't usually do with another phone here.
Apart from Macro shots (which needs fixing), I've been pretty happy with the camera. While there is always room to improve, I'm sure there will be additional firmware updates which will improve it to some degree again.
Not saying everyone's use and experience will be the same, but I'm just speaking for my personal experience with my S20+.
What I need from a phone is good daily performance, good battery life, and a great screen, and that's what I'm getting.
Would I like the slightly better performance and efficiency of the SD for the same money? Yes obviously.
Is the Exynos 990 "that bad"? For me, no it isn't.

Not bad at all. I got my Exynos S20+ on Wednesday and the battery is very good, it was also ridiculously cheap compared to the Snapdragon version, it gets updates faster, and it has never "overheated" like so many people claim it does. Then again, I'm not an 11 year old whose parents buy him everything and who plays fortnite all day so that may affect one's opinion if they fall into that category. Use basic logic: there's maybe a couple hundred people on the entire internet across all websites whining and complaining about their Exynos S20s having issues, millions of people with these phones around the world, and often times you'll find the people complaining about the Exynos battery life are little kids who play PUBG or Fortnite all day and night and complain their phone won't run 120Hz at max brightness on 5G for 8 hours without recharging. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Exynos, it's a great phone and you can usually find it cheaper if you look because of these few whiners (so I guess we do have something to thank them for!)

Everyone's experience with Exynos varies because everyone uses their phone a little differently. One person may have no issues at all (or relatively minor issues), and another person can't make it through a day without dealing with thermal throttling.
The general consensus is Exynos is an inferior SoC. There is no question about that. But if you don't game a lot, don't record a lot of video and don't plan to use 120 Hz, then chances are you won't be significantly affected by Exynos' poor efficiency. For me, those are a lot of caveats for a $1000+ phone.
You can import a Snapdragon model, but it might not support all the bands used by your carrier, and obviously you won't be able to roll the payments into your monthly phone bill.
I am not trying to talk you out of buying a S20, but you did the right thing by postponing your purchase until you decide it is definitely worth the money. And it sounds like you aren't convinced of that.
If you can't get a Snapdragon S20 but you still want Android, then I strongly recommend looking at OnePlus 8/Pro or 7T, all of which would save you some money. Moving to iPhone is a huge deal if you've invested a lot of money in the Play store. You'll also lose a lot of customizability. iPhones are great if you don't mind having essentially the same phone as every other iPhone owner. But forget about custom launchers, widgets and all the other stuff that makes an Android phone your phone. And get real comfortable with iTunes because you can't do anything to your iPhone without it.

If by inferior you mean it gets higher single core performance and slightly worse multi core performance and sometimes heats up slightly, yeah it's just the worst thing on earth!
S20 buying guide:
Do you play games for several hours straight on your phone and don't care about paying $300+ extra for the Crapdragon chipset? Buy the Crapdragon
Do you want a phone that blows all the competition in the same price range away and do literally anything else with your phone except play games for hours on end? Exynos

Sorry if I jump into the conversation, but it's a topic I'm interested in.
I've read that the Exynos variants have a standby battery drain problem. Is that true?
I'm coming from an S10e which has a BIG standby drain issue (I've experienced nothing like that before), and before buying an S20 I'd like to know if those rumors are true or not.
I'm asking this because I don't use the phone for gaming, so having a phone who can support graphic-intensive games for a long playing time is not a crucial point for me.

Basically:
a) You disable a ton of packages and apps through Package disabler = NO overheating, no lag, only minor frame drops when opening the camera (or I guess something else intensive)
b) You don't = all issues above. I used to drop to 60hz pretty often until I tuned everything up.
I have WiFi, 4G, Bt, Location always ON and the battery is fine for me. About 5h-7h SOT.
Coming from a Pixel 2, I'd advise against the S20+ in pursue of a different phone, mostly OP8 Pro or the Pixel 4 (though I'm unsure about the Pixel). I wouldn't get the iPhone since 120hz is so nice.

Coming from a OnePlus 6, I'd advise you buy an S20+. I can't recommend this phone enough and most of the whiners just need something to complain about and in reality haven't even compared the snapdragon and exynos so they have no basis to claim it's the CPU's fault and not just that the phone in general is not for them.
OnePlus 8 Pro is ridiculously underfeatured and overpriced. The only use I can see it having is if you're an OP fangirl and want to play games 24/7 so you absolutely need the slightly better cooling and qualcomm chipset.

madpete said:
I have an S20+, and personally while I'd "prefer" the SD version, for me the Exynos is not as bad as some people make out.
Yes, the SD version is faster in benchmarks, but the reality is in day to day use who is going to actually notice? And yes, while it's not as quick as the SD, it's not exactly a "slow" chip.
I had the reboot issue at the start, but this has been fixed for me with a software update.
As I said given the choice, I'd have picked the SD version, but we are talking about is it really THAT BAD here, right?
I don't game much on my phone, but I do everything else pretty heavily and my phone never even feels warm in general use. I have read some people say their devices get hot just browsing, watching Youtube etc.
Mine has never even got mildly warm watching Youtube or in general use... I even tested it and it's temp hovered about 34c in use, while at idle it was 31c. This makes me wonder if there's something else going on there? Ie: Configuration issue? Or if maybe not all Exynos 990's are equal? I can't answer that.
I have spent some time tuning the phone, as I do with every phone I have, and I've been generally happy overall. If I run at 96hz I regularly get 7.5hr to 8hr+ SOT a day, after more updates and tweaking, at 120hz I can get 6.5hrs to 7hrs SOT. As I said, I take to time to optimise every phone I have like this, so I'm not doing anything I wouldn't usually do with another phone here.
Apart from Macro shots (which needs fixing), I've been pretty happy with the camera. While there is always room to improve, I'm sure there will be additional firmware updates which will improve it to some degree again.
Not saying everyone's use and experience will be the same, but I'm just speaking for my personal experience with my S20+.
What I need from a phone is good daily performance, good battery life, and a great screen, and that's what I'm getting.
Would I like the slightly better performance and efficiency of the SD for the same money? Yes obviously.
It's the Exynos 990 "that bad"? For me, no it isn't.
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Another great reply, thanks for the help. You see this is what's getting to me: you've got reply above yours pretty much saying do not get it, then others like yours saying it's generally okay. I understand that everyone has different usage for their devices, but with a device this expensive, it should absolutely cover the vast majority of use cases except the heaviest of loads. That's what's stopping me. It's like buying an Audi RS6 and finding that after 5 minutes it's peak power drops to 490bhp because it has bad cooling. While 490bhp isn't in any way bad, you're still losing a lot of power, and an excess of heat is going to cause a problem further down the line which is really putting me off when I wanted to keep this phone for at least 2 years.
TheNetwork said:
If by inferior you mean it gets higher single core performance and slightly worse multi core performance and sometimes heats up slightly, yeah it's just the worst thing on earth!
S20 buying guide:
Do you play games for several hours straight on your phone and don't care about paying $300+ extra for the Crapdragon chipset? Buy the Crapdragon
Do you want a phone that blows all the competition in the same price range away and do literally anything else with your phone except play games for hours on end? Exynos
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As said in my above reply to madpete, that really shouldn't be an issue. I don't play games for hours on end, but it's more about the idea that I have the option to do that if I want to. I have genuinely tried my best to find a way to be happy with buying this phone, spending pretty much all of yesterday researching it and hoping that I find some assurances, but pretty much nothing. The many many speed and thermal tests really don't lie; the Exynos is a bad chip. My question was HOW BAD was it, and did it warrant skipping over the phone, and the answer I got was generally to skip it.
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Basically:
a) You disable a ton of packages and apps through Package disabler = NO overheating, no lag, only minor frame drops when opening the camera (or I guess something else intensive)
b) You don't = all issues above. I used to drop to 60hz pretty often until I tuned everything up.
I have WiFi, 4G, Bt, Location always ON and the battery is fine for me. About 5h-7h SOT.
Coming from a Pixel 2, I'd advise against the S20+ in pursue of a different phone, mostly OP8 Pro or the Pixel 4 (though I'm unsure about the Pixel). I wouldn't get the iPhone since 120hz is so nice.
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I think the OP8 Pro is my top choice right now, but it's not offered by O2, which is the only carrier around me which gets a solid 4G connection indoors. I've been looking into OnePlus' Klarna scheme thing though, as I'd rather split the cost a bit rather than one big cost at once. As for the 120hz: as much as I love high refresh rates, the main thing stopping me from getting the iPhone (11) is that it doesn't have an OLED screen, along with the resolution. I know the joys of scrolling on a 120hz phone very well, but then I go back to my S8 and it just doesn't really matter to me if you get me?
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Everyone's experience with Exynos varies because everyone uses their phone a little differently. One person may have no issues at all (or relatively minor issues), and another person can't make it through a day without dealing with thermal throttling.
The general consensus is Exynos is an inferior SoC. There is no question about that. But if you don't game a lot, don't record a lot of video and don't plan to use 120 Hz, then chances are you won't be significantly affected by Exynos' poor efficiency. For me, those are a lot of caveats for a $1000+ phone.
You can import a Snapdragon model, but it might not support all the bands used by your carrier, and obviously you won't be able to roll the payments into your monthly phone bill.
I am not trying to talk you out of buying a S20, but you did the right thing by postponing your purchase until you decide it is definitely worth the money. And it sounds like you aren't convinced of that.
If you can't get a Snapdragon S20 but you still want Android, then I strongly recommend looking at OnePlus 8/Pro or 7T, all of which would save you some money. Moving to iPhone is a huge deal if you've invested a lot of money in the Play store. You'll also lose a lot of customizability. iPhones are great if you don't mind having essentially the same phone as every other iPhone owner. But forget about custom launchers, widgets and all the other stuff that makes an Android phone your phone. And get real comfortable with iTunes because you can't do anything to your iPhone without it.
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I'd also love to import a Snapdragon model, but as said above I just don't want to pay everything upfront. Again, I'd absolutely love a OP8, but the lack of carrier support apart from Three in the UK severely affects my decision. As for the iPhone: honestly, if you asked me two years ago if I would ever buy an iPhone I would've 100% say no due to the lack of customisation. Now though? I guess it just doesn't really matter to me anymore. I don't know if it's whether I already like how the S8 is from factory reset (apart from a few changes), but I haven't used Nova in maybe a year or so. Maybe I'm missing some key customisation that I do that an iPhone can't do, I'm just not sure.

Yeah, but does it suffer from standby battery drain? That's a major point, to be honest.
It doesn't matter how you use your phone, if it drains battery just standing there by itself.

NickRaga said:
Sorry if I jump into the conversation, but it's a topic I'm interested in.
I've read that the Exynos variants have a standby battery drain problem. Is that true?
I'm coming from an S10e which has a BIG standby drain issue (I've experienced nothing like that before), and before buying an S20 I'd like to know if those rumors are true or not.
I'm asking this because I don't use the phone for gaming, so having a phone who can support graphic-intensive games for a long playing time is not a crucial point for me.
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No stadby problems at all, at least this is my experience
Actually S20+ is performing similar as S10+ I owned before, which means 3% drop overnight (approx 7 hrs) with wifi and data off
Even with data or wifi on the drain is normal
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TheNetwork said:
Coming from a OnePlus 6, I'd advise you buy an S20+. I can't recommend this phone enough and most of the whiners just need something to complain about and in reality haven't even compared the snapdragon and exynos so they have no basis to claim it's the CPU's fault and not just that the phone in general is not for them.
OnePlus 8 Pro is ridiculously underfeatured and overpriced. The only use I can see it having is if you're an OP fangirl and want to play games 24/7 so you absolutely need the slightly better cooling and qualcomm chipset.
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Mrwhosetheboss and others on YouTube have done great comparisons between exynos and snapdragon and exynos is inferior! Wish I'd have held off and got snapdragon from wondamobile

russellcausier said:
Mrwhosetheboss and others on YouTube have done great comparisons between exynos and snapdragon and exynos is inferior! Wish I'd have held off and got snapdragon from wondamobile
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If I remember correctly, they said that it's inferior only when it comes to intense use (i.e. with graphicly demanding games).

NickRaga said:
If I remember correctly, they said that it's inferior only when it comes to intense use (i.e. with graphicly demanding games).
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Inferior battery

NickRaga said:
Yeah, but does it suffer from standby battery drain? That's a major point, to be honest.
It doesn't matter how you use your phone, if it drains battery just standing there by itself.
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My s20 + 5g idle drain is the worst I've ever had on a phone coming from S10. On airplane mode im losing upwards of 20% a night having basically everything put to sleep, aod display off. This phone drains battery faster with screen off than on. Really disappointed thus far. Hope Samsung does something to fix this issue as its simply ridiculous.
Edit: This was a SIM card issue nothing more. Hope this edit may help someone else potentially.

Question My first pixel

This is my first ever Google phone, has the battery always been this good on pixel/nexus phones?
Although the battery is just amazing for me it does lag whilst playing cod mobile, graphics on lowest and FPS on med, I do think this tensor chip is quite a bit different from exynos due to the great battery while gaming, and it does heat up that much only when I'm using 4g gaming it gets very hot and seriously lags out.
Do you think Google can modify the 4g/5g modem so it works efficiently??
Is it normal to game on 4g and have the battery drain like crazy and over heat so bad the game is unplayable?
No issues via WiFi

As far as the battery, I think the P6P has done much better for me, but the Pixel 1 is the only other Google phone I had before.
I really don't like to speculate too much but yes, I think Google can make the modem work better.
I don't game much, so can't speak to that.

The modem has to be a Google High priority... hopefully!

Yeah well,
This is my last Pixel phone. Google can kiss my @$$ after this let down POS
Waiting for the s22. If that's not exciting; then I'll go to the dark side when pro14 comes out

ilmar72 said:
Yeah well,
This is my last Pixel phone. Google can kiss my @$$ after this let down POS
Waiting for the s22. If that's not exciting; then I'll go to the dark side when pro14 comes out
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I feel basically the same way. Tensor is meh, battery life is meh, 5g modem old, finger print sensor optical is meh. I regret selling my S21 ultra for the P6P. I think I'll be going with the S22 ultra when it comes out early February. Samsung has fast OS updates now. Google always finds a way to mess something up.

I've held out on Nexus/Pixel devices until this year because they've very often had hardware shortcomings. This year is one of the most complete packages Google has delivered - maybe ever. I understand that people purchase their devices for vastly different reasons and my main attraction of the device has predominantly been for the stock android experience which I've longed for since I got into Android devices back in 2012.
And honestly, compared to the likes of the Nexus 5, which had poor battery life and a terrible speaker, the Nexus 6 which was a monstrosity in itself, the Nexus 6P which had the plagued-with-errors Snapdragon 810 etc., this generation of Google devices is the most complete in a long, long time. That's not to say it's perfect, because it isn't. And if you're coming from a Galaxy S-phone or an iPhone, you'll surely feel the decline in quality. But compared to the previous generations of Google devices, these phones are in another league.

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