http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
Well if past versions are any indicator...I think I would save my money and buy a TWINKIE instead!!! Come on...give me a break already. If its the same old bland and black ui with widgets that do not match over all ui theme,the usual google bloatware,ui issues going nack to version 1 regarding how the launchers do not properly format wallpapers to screen in landscape mode..if it even supports landscape mode..,calendar with a widget that does not even include a full month calendar...generally very basic over all. I will hold off on jumping on this bandwagon until I get the "experience" that awes me vs causes me to snore. They should call it Lemon instead.
Have a free KitKat guys !
http://www.androidauthority.com/kitkat-giveaway-262396/
Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
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Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
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Like Google Keyboard. Someone was talking about Google Camera as well. Google Launcher would be nice =D
i would like to see google take this opportunity not just as a marketing scheme to pull in more money but also really bring android up to par with iphone in the user experience area. an interface that is eye catching like sense but actually optimized to run smoothly on any device..can be done with what they have now actually,the themers pull it off for the most part..so they could also. andtoid needs to take that next step..not just be a bunch of marketing crap with absolutely no substance. and stop with the .1,.2,.3,.4,.5....etc releases..really. Release a STABLE operating system that actually works well enough to do everyone until the next release. That gives time to really develop new things instead of focusing on small updates that amount to nothing in the end. Kit Kat,Butterfinger, Hershey's...I dont give a damn what you call it..just make it good.
Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?
which APIs and why are they removed?
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which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
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Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.
I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.
Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.
Haha suck it G watch R!
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-360-choose-watch-that-fits-your.html
Nice update
The update work for anyone? I got it but have been unable to set any of the new faces to the watch. They don't show up. Maybe something screwy with my oneplus....
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I have it and it is working. You may need to give it a few minutes for the new faces to be transferred to the watch. They appear just like the original stock faces.
It is nice to have the award winning Moto but it is a shame they didn't add any of the additional features such as weather or battery percentage. I think the clone of the face that boostr29 did for facer is still nicer. The Motorola face likely uses much less battery power though. Wear 2.0 should let people create much more involved faces that can display more information such as unread email etc.
If you havn't got the update yet or want to see what they are like, I took a photo of all the new watch faces:
http://imgur.com/a/XJXT5
Pascuals a favourite, I'm sure the My Design will be better in time... It won't be good for anything beyond casual usage though - you need to crop the image for it yourself, and the ticker hands you can't customize outside of the preset options they have.
Yeah, the My Design is quite limited for now, and you can't set large preview cards on it. But at least there's now the option/toggle to add the date to all of the other watchfaces too, which is handy.
Generally this is a bit of an odd update, as it just adds Moto Body features that replicate existing Fit ones, except for Calories. Now we have again the typical Android mess of duplicated features, despite Google's efforts to control Wear.
I dont understand how anyone can use a white face. That flat tire looks terrible. I always run a black face, so its not too noticable.
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The update work for anyone? I got it but have been unable to set any of the new faces to the watch. They don't show up. Maybe something screwy with my oneplus....
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Same here
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Same here
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Try to restart the watch. It worked after I did a restart.
Same issue here. I've restarted the watch, reset the watch, uninstalled and reinstalled both Android Wear and the Connect app. None of the new apps or watch faces will show up on the watch.
I just wish the date option was a bigger font. My old eyes have a hard time seeing it.
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The app is a ton of fun, hopefully they continue to expand it. I have several pictures that work great with the DIY watch face.
Yeah I'm loving this, the custom pictures are nice and hi resolution!
Thx for sharing. Had moto connect app disabled.
How are u guys getting the update? I don't see it on playstore?
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Nvm. Odd. I had to search for the app and then it said update. Would not show up automatically.
My phone wouldn't find Connect update (kept telling me Connect was up to date)
On my PC, I visited -> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.motorola.targetnotif while it said installed, when I clicked the Install button I was able to pick my Moto X, and click OK.. After that, the X notified me of the app downloading and installing. I now have the update.
Seems like the best faces are the one's that create the illusion of a round face by having some sort of inner circle that is not disrupted by the flat tire look. Basically you tune it out since all the major eye candy is above it, only the tiny hash marks are broken which you barely notice anyway. Having a full white face or roman numerals makes it very obvious there is a screen break at the bottom.
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Same issue here. I've restarted the watch, reset the watch, uninstalled and reinstalled both Android Wear and the Connect app. None of the new apps or watch faces will show up on the watch.
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I'm facing the same problem as well. It finally worked for me after I uninstall android wear, moto connect, facer and watch maker. Reset moto 360 and reinstall android wear and moto connect and the new watch face appears.
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I'm facing the same problem as well. It finally worked for me after I uninstall android wear, moto connect, facer and watch maker. Reset moto 360 and reinstall android wear and moto connect and the new watch face appears.
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I wound up having to reset the Moto X altogether. Somehow, I think swapping between a work-week phone (Note 4) and a weekend phone (Moto X) got some apps stuck on the watch that weren't on either phone anymore. When I reset the Moto X and then reset the 360, it stared to work correctly.
Too bad beelink dont work anymore else can easily switch devices with the watch.
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I was thinking about buying galaxy watch . Any + and - from ur side ? I heard that tizen dont have fb and messenger . I hope I can still get notifications from those apps right? If I will remap bixby button on note 8 to google assisant . Will it ask using galaxy watch ? Or only bixby builded in watch and nothing else?
Mariusz_Trynkiewicz said:
I was thinking about buying galaxy watch . Any + and - from ur side ? I heard that tizen dont have fb and messenger . I hope I can still get notifications from those apps right? If I will remap bixby button on note 8 to google assisant . Will it ask using galaxy watch ? Or only bixby builded in watch and nothing else?
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I've had the watch for a couple of weeks, and the one thing I am disappointed with is the lack of apps for the Tizen OS. There is really very little available right now. No Facebook, Messenger, etc. However, you can and do get notifications from any of your Android Apps on the Galaxy Watch. For example, if you get a message on FB Messenger, you can read the content on the watch notification, and you can also send a quick reply from the watch itself. Only Bixby is available on the Galaxy Watch, there is no option for using Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa.
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I've had the watch for a couple of weeks, and the one thing I am disappointed with is the lack of apps for the Tizen OS. There is really very little available right now. No Facebook, Messenger, etc. However, you can and do get notifications from any of your Android Apps on the Galaxy Watch. For example, if you get a message on FB Messenger, you can read the content on the watch notification, and you can also send a quick reply from the watch itself. Only Bixby is available on the Galaxy Watch, there is no option for using Google Assistant or Amazon Alexa.
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can you pay with nfc without galaxy phone?
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can you pay with nfc without galaxy phone?
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Yep :good:
I am coming from Android Wear OS , which was the LG G watch R. I have used the watch for years until I have decided to move and switch to Galaxy Watch which is on Tizen OS. Now, if you ask me, Android Wear vs Tizen, the ONLY huge difference is the availability of the apps. Yes, HOWEVER, trust me, you don't need that much of apps. Tizen OS has pretty much covered all the essential apps you will need for everyday life. On another note, lesser junkie apps will keep the watch clean.
For a smartwatch, what is important? Notifications and battery life. Tizen got it all. And a bezel rotations is one could die for. I would say, go for Tizen OS, and if you are using Samsung Health, you will benefit most of it with the watch