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http://www.shop.power-skin.com/powerskin/samsung/galaxy-s2-tmobile
I had one for my vibrant, liked it and have ordered one for my SGS 2. Will post photos when it arrives.
*update* it's arrived - that didn't take long.
According to the folks at Powerskins, the battery is 1500mAh.
Like with the vibrant it doubles the width of the phone. I like the extra heft so it's not a big issue for me. Fit is good, the case is not going to come off with normal use. The plug fits very securely into the phone (the vibrant unit had a bit of play).
The device can be charged then deactivated by holding the power button on the back. That will let the phone battery run down rather than constantly peak charging it...
Take a look and decide for yourself.Apologies for a couple of the photos being a little blurry - the HD7 does that sometimes.
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it doesn't say how much extra battery it gives you
it's a nice concept, but it makes the phone twice as thick
Yes... You have to not mind the extra thickness. I suspect the battery its the same mAH rating as the built in one but am not certain.
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"More, PowerSkin® is XPAL Powered, meaning it's charged by patented battery technology that reflects the highest standards of safety, quality, and performance."
what exactly do they mean from the above description? this case has a built in battery pack or something? if so, it should add significant bulk.
I wouldn't buy this. Your better off buying a case and a separate battery. These cases plug into to the micro usb socket so when your charging the phone your charging the case. If the phone is fully charged and the case would charge the battery of the phone while the phone is draining its own battery. This will make your oem battery die faster since its going through full cycles more. I had one for mytouch 4g its battery died within 3 months from this case.
As soon as I bought a new battery and stop using the case the battery has been fine. I had that phone since its release date. Basically have the case charged but don't turn it on till the battery dies in your phone first. I wouldn't even keep it plugged in since the back is so easy to click in and activate the power skin. These cases also have the worst protection ever for a case. The phone is easy to fall out of the case. There is nothing to hold it down to keep it secure in place. Even a cheap gel skin has more protection than these things.
Killbynature said:
I wouldn't buy this. Your better off buying a case and a separate battery. These cases plug into to the micro usb socket so when your charging the phone your charging the case. If the phone is fully charged and the case would charge the battery of the phone while the phone is draining its own battery. This will make your oem battery die faster since its going through full cycles more. I had one for mytouch 4g its battery died within 3 months from this case.
As soon as I bought a new battery and stop using the case the battery has been fine. I had that phone since its release date. Basically have the case charged but don't turn it on till the battery dies in your phone first. I wouldn't even keep it plugged in since the back is so easy to click in and activate the power skin. These cases also have the worst protection ever for a case. The phone is easy to fall out of the case. There is nothing to hold it down to keep it secure in place. Even a cheap gel skin has more protection than these things.
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yup, that's true
it's not just this case, or vibrant or mytouch, that happens to all battery life.
i used to always leave my phones plug-ed in when i'm able to, to keep the battery topped up
but that killed the battery faster
since i stopped that, and went the route of replacing batteries after they go down to 15% percent (the auto low battery warning pops up) and switch to a fully charged pack, all my batteries last waaaaaaaaaaaay longer than when i kept it topped up on the charger
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I don't like how it looks like the left side on the front shot its not rigid. That's what I hated about the d3o flex cover. Looks all uneven n can't even see the bezel in some spots. Bottom right seems jacked up
too. I can see bezel in the pic.
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My sister got one of these for her Galaxy S1 ... not that great only gave her about an extra 1-2 hours max before it died. Also you have to charge it and the internal battery separately, taking it off every night so that you can charge them both.
Not worth it, in my opinion.
only 1500 mAh!!!!!!! it's so not worth it
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i was expecting at least 2500 mAh out of that bulky pack
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anyone ever use this? they got one for our phone
i saw it available online, im curious as well..how much bulk it adds and what it really looks like..$40 is a ridiculously steep price for a battery and a case though
I have one and use it. I also have a spare battery. between the two I'm good for 24 hours
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1331293
power-skin
for anyone who has the powerskin case for this phone or any other...where do you keep your phone when you are out? in your pocket? if the added thickness im curious if its too bulky to carry around that way...ive been trying to search for a holster or case but i havent come across one...if anyone knows of one please link me
i had one for the vibrant and it did help with battery, it just kept the battery at 100% but the extra size was too big...i would recommend maybe a bigger battery.
Powerskin for tmo galaxy s2
has any1 tried this product yet ? thinking about it twice the battery sounds like is worth the price to me........... LET ME KNOW ?
http://www.shop.power-skin.com/powerskin/samsung/galaxy-s2-tmobile
I have one which I like. You can read my thoughts about it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1331293
Hmm...for twice the width you'd expect more no?
Also, how does this affect the LED flash when taking pictures?
Dont buy one
Eh, I kind of stopped caring for that review as soon as you said that you're limited to being close to the computer with the generic micro USB cable they gave you Hahaha. For the record, any usb cable will work. I wrote a review in another thread. Here's the excerpt.
Horvaticus said:
I bought one of these at the AT&T store in my local mall and paid $80 for it, after having someone recommend it to me. After having worked at Best Buy, I was a little bit skeptical on what a salesperson offered to me, but seeing as though I had bricked my previous 2 skyrockets by altering the voltage settings on them and the guy was nice enough to exchange them for me, I decided to give it a whirl, since I was spending company money and not my own.
Now, I'm big man with huge hands, and coming from an iPhone 4 which was heavier than the Skyrocket due to glass construction, the larger screen was nice, but I missed the heavy feeling to it. The case immediately remedied that by adding a strong sturdy feeling to it. In addition to that it provides a nice rubbery grip along the sides of the unit with a slight grip along the back panel, making it not as difficult to take in and out of your pocket as regular rubber silicone cases.
As far as the charging goes, I used to be wary of leaving my skyrocket out of its case in fear that the battery would die overnight, which was an issue, as I'm often forgetful to put it on a charger overnight. It's nice being able to sleep soundly at night knowing that I can throw the battery pack on and not have to worry about waking up late or whatever. I suppose that's why some people have dedicated alarm clocks, however, but I'm not one of those people.
The battery life is good. Despite the battery in the pack not being as big as the OEM battery, I find that when I get the low battery warning at about 15% and turn the case on I'm normally back up to a strong 90-97% by the time the case turns off an hour or so later. Perhaps that's just me though. In addition to this, I also find that the case gets HOT while charging it, but that's to be expected. And since it's Winter, I don't particularly mind.
It's slightly annoying to have to take the phone out of the case to plug it into my computer to do the USB transfer, but at the same time it's such a non-hassle to take the phone out of the case I don't really mind. Besides, I have 3 sets of chargers with the phone, so I can charge the phone on the computer and the case off the wall, hahaha.
As far as protection goes, it's decent. There isn't alot of screen coverage, but that's what a screen protector is for. I personally don't plan on dropping it OR getting a screen protector, but, just a heads up. I like how the center of gravity on the unit is changed, so that out of the two times I dropped it it landed on either the absolute bottom near the charger where there is alot of extra padding or it landed on the bridge that connects the battery structurally to the rest of the case near the camera.
All in all, sometimes I take it out of the case when I'm feeling elegant, but like someone else said in this thread it makes for a good backup battery. I suppose sometime in the future I'll just be using it as a backup charger, but for the time being, I really enjoy the ability to leave my brightness at full and not have to worry about the battery running down. In addition to that, when I went online to the powerskin website and saw they were giving an emergency cellphone away with online order I asked about a similar deal for buying through AT&T. Customer service apologized and told me they didn't, but they instead sent me a cheapy little portable speaker, which was nice of them nonetheless.
So, coming from a neckbeard that bought about 12 different cases for his red iPhone 4, (some clear, some rubbery, and one battery pack...) and being relatively new to the form factor of the Skyrocket, I would say that personally I would rate the case at about a B, for the aforementioned reasons, with the cons being that it heats up, and does have the potential to damage the battery if you don't watch turning it on or off when you're supposed to.
Also, screw you guys who got it for $35. I could have used that extra $45 for a night at a bar and written it off as a business expense. :|
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I've seen a few posts about spare / replacement batteries for the Galaxy Note. This one is about the Mugen Power 5400mAh Extended Battery (HLI-N7000XL) specifically designed for the Note (N7000 / International model). This is an internal battery, not a plug-in external unit.
To be clear, I'm not a professional reviewer and have no vested interests in Mugen. This is not a scientific review but based on my actual experience. For a more controlled scientific analysis of battery discharge time bv the minute, or whatever, you'll need to look elsewhere. However I believe it's real life experiences which really matter.
I tend to pick up first impressions of a product based on the visual quality of the packaging, case finish, instructions, etc. The Mugen product did not disappoint at this stage. It was simply packaged but effective in protecting the contents and easy to get into. The instructions where easy to read and make it clear that it's necessary to fully charge and discharge the battery for 3 or 4 times before it carries a full charge. This took well over week to achieve due to the long life of the battery between charges!
The Mugen battery is, as you might expect, physically larger and heavier than the stock Samsung Galaxy Note battery. But the increased size offers in excess of a doubling in capacity so with normal use needs much less frequent recharging. Indeed the main points of my comparison are size/weight, longevity, and price/value.
Physical Size and Weight
The thickness of Mugen 5400mAh battery at around 13mm is a fraction over twice that of the standard 2500mAh Samsung Note battery. This means the stock rear cover has to be replaced by a deeper one to accommodate the larger battery. The Mugen battery comes complete with the larger cover, which also incorporates a neat flip-out side stand. This turned out to be a handy addition and one I increasingly found myself using. The replacement case felt to be of at least as good quality as the original and fitted perfectly. The overall thickness of the Note roughly doubled so the overall effect isn't as sexy as the thin original, but in practise I found the Note was easier to hold, particularly when out and about. The Mugen case was also slightly pimpled, similar to the original, which gave a feeling of confidence that it wasn't going to slip out of my hand.
On to the battery itself. The weight of the stock Samsung Note and battery is around 180 grams. The Mugen 5400 and Note weighed in at around 240 grams. This represents an overall 25% increase in weight. In practise the heavier battery slightly changed the weight balance of the Note but after picking up and using the Note a few times I hardly noticed it. It did feel heavier when in my pocket but not uncomfortably so. I also found I could no longer slide the Note into some of my smaller pockets. To quote a great Yorkshire friend of mine: "You get owt for nowt", which in this case basically means if you want a larger capacity battery it'll take up more space and weigh a bit more! (This is almost true because Mugen do also market a slightly larger capacity standard sized battery at the original size.)
Longevity
First, just in case you don't know what mAh means: It stands for milli-Amp hour and basically it's a measure of battery electrical capacity or storage 'size'. Everything else being equal, the bigger the number the longer the electrical power should last. The issue is that for many non manufacturer supplied batteries everything else is not equal. The inequalities range from mislabelling/over ambitious claims (I call it lying), to poor battery design such that it overheats or leaks or just fails sooner than it should (some might call them cr*p batteries). Of course such inferior batteries are usually cheaper to buy!
I tested the stock Samsung Galaxy Note 2500mAh battery with WiFi and GPS permanently enabled and sync set to 30 minutes. I used the Note frequently throughout the day for 2G (voice and text), WiFi and 3G surfing, Facebook, Twitter, newsfeeds, email, diary and the occasional game. The battery was charged overnight using the USB from my Desktop, and so started the day at 100%. By 15:00 it was down to 30%. By 19:00 it was down to 10%.
I then did the same using the Mugen 5400mAh battery. By 15:00 on Day 1 the charge remaining was down to 70%. It reached 40% at 12:00 on Day 2 and 13% by 19:00 on day 2. Wow! This was over a doubling in elapsed time over the standard battery.
Real life experience:
The above test reflects much heavier use than I'd normally make of the Note during a typical weekday, where I'd see the stock battery at around 20% at 23:00 each day. At weekends I usually have to top-up the charge during late afternoon or risk running out.
Using the Note as I would more normally, but with the Mugen 5400mAh battery, I found that I used GPS more (I do a lot of walking and track my route) without worrying about running out of power. I was not having to think about saving power for later use as I knew there was plenty available. I also didn't have to top-up charge during the day at all. The Mugen battery comfortably lasted two days and sometimes three before reaching the 10% to 20% mark.
Price and Value
The RRP for the stock Samsung 2500mAh battery is around £20. This equates to 0.8 pence per mAh.
The RRP for the Mugen 5400mAh battery is £63 ($99) at time of writing. This equates to 1.16 pence per mAh. This price includes the replacement back cover.
So £ per mAh of capacity the Mugen is not a cheaper option, but it's all about usability. For instance you could always buy a second stock battery and manage the charging of two batteries at once, which means you'd also need to invest in a desktop charger at around £15, and be powering off the Note mid afternoon each day to swap out the flat battery. I'd soon get fed up with doing that!
For me and the way I use the Note this is a JDI. Just Do It (buy the 5400mAh Mugen). The few cons are far outweighed by the pros, and on the occasions when I want to show off the Note or make it a little more inconspicuous I can simply pop back in the stock battery and cover. But when I do I'd soon go back to using the 5400!
Details of the Mugen 5400mAh battery can be found on their site at mugen-power-batteries .com
I'll continue to use the battery and come back at some point with my experience of how well it stands up after prolonged use.
I'd love to see some real world pictures of it on your phone if possible. I'd be interested in this for when traveling.
I caved.
Used discount code MUGENRULEZ for 7% off.
On backorder, but I don't need it right away anyways. Will carry it as my backup.
Good review mate Mugen Power is Awesome
post some battery usage pictures
Nicely done. Mine works pretty well, but I miss having a case to occlude the vol/power buttons, otherwise I'll accidentally press things whilst gaming. Apparently there's a couple of generic extended battery cases on ebay, so I'll give them a punt.
I have also bought the same battery, and another thing to take into equation is the excellent customer service of mugen. Fast and efficient
pictures
I've found these photos of the Mugan back cover for the 5400mAhr mounted on a Note.
Awesome. Thanks for the review. I went on their website to buy one and figured they have a competition running to win the same battery:
http://mugen.tv/2012/04/giveaway-enter-and-win-a-5400mah-extended-battery-for-samsung-galaxy-note/
Competition ends on 21st May. Go ahead and enter
Hopefully I will win and won't have to buy one.
/xuggs
xuggs said:
Awesome. Thanks for the review. I went on their website to buy one and figured they have a competition running to win the same battery:
http://mugen.tv/2012/04/giveaway-enter-and-win-a-5400mah-extended-battery-for-samsung-galaxy-note/
Competition ends on 21st May. Go ahead and enter
Hopefully I will win and won't have to buy one.
/xuggs
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That's expensive.. I guess that's the price of convenience. Ibought 3 official batteries off ebay for a total of $12.
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ebhsimon said:
That's expensive.. I guess that's the price of convenience. Ibought 3 official batteries off ebay for a total of $12.
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3 official battery of ebay for 12 $ wont happen until samsung begins to give them out for free.
If any of you are looking to buy one of these batteries I have a spare brand new one because I accidentally bought 2 from mugen - let me know if you're interested as it would save you having it shipped from america! thanks
aalupatti said:
3 official battery of ebay for 12 $ wont happen until samsung begins to give them out for free.
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Look on ebay. They are very cheap.
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ebhsimon said:
Look on ebay. They are very cheap.
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There have been quite a few discussions about how the "official Samsung" eBay batteries are just fakes that are made to look convincingly like Samsung OEM batteries, but aren't.
I always enjoy melting a £400 appliance with a £4 aftermarket battery. I could compare it to using a cheap 350W PSU in a top of the range gaming PC, you're going to see some smoke at some point.
Awesome review! Video Review Upcoming!
Hey everyone. Mugen is sending me over one of these babies to review for you guys on YouTube. Stay Tuned!
I do REAL WORLD reviews on YouTube where I cover every day practical use of devices, cases, and accessories. Yup, I actually tell you what it is like to use a device or accessory instead of just telling you the specs like many reviewers (cough) lol.
Check out my GALAXY Note N7000 review to see the review quality that you can expect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwF7mgxbi_I
Thanks!
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angelofmusic said:
Hey everyone. Mugen is sending me over one of these babies to review for you guys on YouTube. Stay Tuned!
I do REAL WORLD reviews on YouTube where I cover every day practical use of devices, cases, and accessories. Yup, I actually tell you what it is like to use a device or accessory instead of just telling you the specs like many reviewers (cough) lol.
Check out my GALAXY Note N7000 review to see the review quality that you can expect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwF7mgxbi_I
Thanks!
The Technology Nerd Who Likes To Film Stuff
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Hi angelofmusic, first of all let me ask you what your address is so that I can give it to my employer, and he can send you the bill, as I have just killed 32min of my working time by watching your review......hehe
Now on a more serious note, I have no prejudice against women, but I was surprised when I click on the link that you have provided and find out you look like a 15 year old girl, which will look great in her 40s
I just hope that you would be living in the UK or even better in Belgium, so that the USA related part would not be as irrelevant to me.
All in all, great review. I find it strange that you did not come up when I was searching for reviews of this device. I thought I was them all, but apparently the day that my G.NOTE arrived from Amazon I saw your video. Well better late than never, and I can't hide that I was very pleased when you said that Amazon was a good choice for buying this device.
Well I better go back to work
angelofmusic said:
Check out my GALAXY Note N7000 review to see the review quality that you can expect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwF7mgxbi_I
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Was trying to keep my eyes on the phone, but it was difficult.
I'm not THAT young
Johev said:
Now on a more serious note, I have no prejudice against women, but I was surprised when I click on the link that you have provided and find out you look like a 15 year old girl, which will look great in her 40s
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LOL I am 23. =) I'm more than legal hahahaha. I just have very young genes I guess...It probably throws a lot of people off. But as soon as I speak it is uncanny and you can tell that I must be older than 15! I love it. It's entertaining for me.
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LOL I am 23. =) I'm more than legal hahahaha. I just have very young genes I guess...It probably throws a lot of people off. But as soon as I speak it is uncanny and you can tell that I must be older than 15! I love it. It's entertaining for me.
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Hi angelofmusic, you did not get my joke . In the beginning of the review you talk about your age, and you say that you might look young now but that means that you're going to look great when you'll be in your 40's. I knew that you were 23, as you have said it on youtube. The fact that I said that you look young, was a compliment (maybe not yet, but in 4 to 5 years you'll be jumping of joy inside when someone tells you that you look like a teenager)
As for the review, I liked your stile. I just got my Note today, and I am still trying to figure out what to do with it. The battery is at 46% after the initial setup of my gmail accounts and installation of some important applications like whatsapp
The important questions I have atm is, should I charge or should I wait. Here in Belgium its almost 2:40 so I might just charge it and go to bed. But too difficult to sleep when I just got to unpack my new toy and the neighbour is having a very loud party. Might just be faith telling me to stay up all night and play with my new device.
I will maybe look at the insurance that you got for your device. I have never insured a device before, but with an almost 2 year old running around the house I fear that not even my Otterbox commuter and careful placement of the phone will be enough.
I understand that innovations are slowing down. They did do the CRAZY good display, but its still plastic, the camera is almost the same, and I though for sure they would increase the battery. The display has to sick more juice, why not compensate. Man I think they half assed this
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big70tom said:
I understand that innovations are slowing down. They did do the CRAZY good display, but its still plastic, the camera is almost the same, and I though for sure they would increase the battery. The display has to sick more juice, why not compensate. Man I think they half assed this
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Did you even digest the specs fully or like the typical person just glossed over the surface and ran to XDA to create a thread?
Camera is same 13MP but has better OIS and laser auto focus. Front camera is improved with F/2.0. Yes it's plastic (don't see anything wrong with that) but better and tougher material, better feel and grip in hand.
The fact that they crammed a 3000mAh removable battery in such a thin frame is innovation itself.
"Why not compensate"..compensate with what? 4000/5000/6000mAh? A battery twice as thick? A phone twice as thick? If they did, you'd run to XDA, create a thread and complain that it's bigger, thicker, heavier, uglier, etc, than the competition..
big70tom said:
I understand that innovations are slowing down. They did do the CRAZY good display, but its still plastic, the camera is almost the same, and I though for sure they would increase the battery. The display has to sick more juice, why not compensate. Man I think they half assed this
Sent from the BEST phone I've ever owned my LG G2
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The misconception that you and most people get is the only way to get better battery life is the physical size of the battery, but thats wrong! what about reducing how much battery the screen uses, or how the phone sips the juice from the battery, or what the phone does when the screen is off? all those things are incorporated in the G3 if you have read or seen their event. so me personally Im thinking probably same or better battery life than the g2 because of innovations.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Firs...ery-life-tests-show-promising-results_id56590
I don't know where it was. ... But they mentioned that the battery was changed also ... They removed metal from the battery and replaced with Graphite and the announcer stated it improved battery life by doing so ....
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...tery-and-a-13mp-camera-with-laser-auto-focus/
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The way I see it, my daughter's iPhone got cracked all over from a simple drop, my htc one with kickstand case got dented from being in my back pocket. I'm not overweight. So grippy metallic plastic back is more than welcome. I might pay off verizon to hop on tmobile for this bad boy of a phone.
OP I'm pretty sure you had subjective hearing during the conference. The G3 is constructed over our critisisms and responded perfectly. You really shouldn't take these things for granted. With your state of mind, you will never be happy bud.
After reading many posts from people smarter than me I am softening on my stance. I am older than most of you so forgive my negativity. I'm now gonna wait and see how it feels in hand and see how battery functions
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To increase the BL, LG has utilized "adaptive frame rate, adaptive clocking, and adaptive timing control." They also replaced the metal in battery cathode with graphite.
ikenvape said:
The way I see it, my daughter's iPhone got cracked all over from a simple drop, my htc one with kickstand case got dented from being in my back pocket. I'm not overweight. So grippy metallic plastic back is more than welcome. I might pay off verizon to hop on tmobile for this bad boy of a phone.
OP I'm pretty sure you had subjective hearing during the conference. The G3 is constructed over our critisisms and responded perfectly. You really shouldn't take these things for granted. With your state of mind, you will never be happy bud.
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t mobile will pay your termination fee of your contract if u trade in a phone get your G3 and bring your number over from verizon .... look it up its called ETF reimbursement
i switched from sprint got a $350 prepaid mastercard for my terminartion
The Graphite seems to increase the recharge cycles of the battery if I'm not mistaken aka longevity of the battery.
P.S. can't wait to see this in person
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big70tom said:
After reading many posts from people smarter than me I am softening on my stance. I am older than most of you so forgive my negativity. I'm now gonna wait and see how it feels in hand and see how battery functions
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honestly, the best bet is to wait it out until you see solid feedback being given before making your final judgment. I absolutely enjoyed every aspect of the G2. I'm with you in the excited/weary with a bit of anxiety state. Suppose it just comes down to patience
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t mobile will pay your termination fee of your contract if u trade in a phone get your G3 and bring your number over from verizon .... look it up its called ETF reimbursement
i switched from sprint got a $350 prepaid mastercard for my terminartion
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Thanks, I seen this, but I believe that I would lose subsidy if I allowed tmo to pay off the termination fee?
PlatinumNick said:
The misconception that you and most people get is the only way to get better battery life is the physical size of the battery, but thats wrong! what about reducing how much battery the screen uses, or how the phone sips the juice from the battery, or what the phone does when the screen is off? all those things are incorporated in the G3 if you have read or seen their event. so me personally Im thinking probably same or better battery life than the g2 because of innovations.
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Its not the same battery as the g2. yes there are software tricks enabled to lesson the drain of the 2k display, but in the end, a physically larger battery will never hurt.,,, because such software tricks can still be utilized on a larger battery.
Not that the battery life is bad, but it isn't class leading or anything. You'll see users posting about 7-8 hours of SOT on M8 and GS5 forums. On this site everyone is just trying their best to get 5-6 hours. I do think 5-6 hours is good, (I got 4 hours on my first discharge, and that included being mostly on LTE and playing around with the camera and taking videos). So i do think I should be able to achieve 5 hours of SOT under normal usage (wifi use and no camera). But its definitively not better than the G2 battery.
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Its not the same battery as the g2. yes there are software tricks enabled to lesson the drain of the 2k display, but in the end, a physically larger battery will never hurt.,,, because such software tricks can still be utilized on a larger battery.
Not that the battery life is bad, but it isn't class leading or anything. You'll see users posting about 7-8 hours of SOT on M8 and GS5 forums. On this site everyone is just trying their best to get 5-6 hours. I do think 5-6 hours is good, (I got 4 hours on my first discharge, and that included being mostly on LTE and playing around with the camera and taking videos). So i do think I should be able to achieve 5 hours of SOT under normal usage (wifi use and no camera). But its definitively not better than the G2 battery.
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Yeah you right about that it is not going to better than the g2. But what your doing is comparing the g3s weakness to the g2s strength. Definitely not a good idea lol
With my note 8 still running about fine, no direct successor in sight and the software (pa) still acceptable I was thinking of giving my Note a little check up. After 3 years of daily usage and carrying it around in my bag, there only seem to be two issues with it. 1. The battery lost a bit of its stamina 2. There are several cracks in the back cover (3. Also a few cracks in the silver bezel but I assume that's harder to replace) .
So my question is if anybody has replaced these parts and can guide me to a good shop or a specific brand. Since I need to replace the back cover anyway, I thought maybe there is even an Extended Battery*option
Combo for the note around somewhere (sth like this).
I found a few batteries on the Web but had bad experiences with no name batteries and couldn't find a shop that sells the back cover...
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With my note 8 still running about fine, no direct successor in sight and the software (pa) still acceptable I was thinking of giving my Note a little check up. After 3 years of daily usage and carrying it around in my bag, there only seem to be two issues with it. 1. The battery lost a bit of its stamina 2. There are several cracks in the back cover (3. Also a few cracks in the silver bezel but I assume that's harder to replace) .
So my question is if anybody has replaced these parts and can guide me to a good shop or a specific brand. Since I need to replace the back cover anyway, I thought maybe there is even an Extended Battery*option
Combo for the note around somewhere (sth like this).
I found a few batteries on the Web but had bad experiences with no name batteries and couldn't find a shop that sells the back cover...
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I bought my battery for my Note 8 when I first got it. I purchased the battery from Amazon. Here's the one I bought and I mostly play games on it. It's not bad battery wise overall, I still have the original one. Taking the back cover off isn't hard but this specific battery came with the tools to replace it which helped tremendously since the screws are super small
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011Q324KS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_tgQNxbG00VEN2
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I would replace the charge port as well. I just did a battery and charge port replacement on mine and if fixed an issue that made the tab unusable.
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I would replace the charge port as well. I just did a battery and charge port replacement on mine and if fixed an issue that made the tab unusable.
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Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it myself. Mine doesn't seem to present any issues, I bought mine used from someone on Craigslist
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Use it till it dies
clickboombang said:
With my note 8 still running about fine, no direct successor in sight and the software (pa) still acceptable I was thinking of giving my Note a little check up. After 3 years of daily usage and carrying it around in my bag, there only seem to be two issues with it. 1. The battery lost a bit of its stamina 2. There are several cracks in the back cover (3. Also a few cracks in the silver bezel but I assume that's harder to replace) .
So my question is if anybody has replaced these parts and can guide me to a good shop or a specific brand. Since I need to replace the back cover anyway, I thought maybe there is even an Extended Battery*option
Combo for the note around somewhere (sth like this).
I found a few batteries on the Web but had bad experiences with no name batteries and couldn't find a shop that sells the back cover...
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Still made no software updates.. some apps {fox sports go example .} will not upgrade stuck on 4.1.2 send pm if better I used to luv this device
If anyone is still looking for parts:
http://www.etradesupply.com/catalogsearch/result/?warehouse=0&q=n5100
I'm not affiliated with them in any capacity YMMV
Looks like the LG V40 will launch late this year. Some info on it can be found here: https://wccftech.com/lg-v40-specifications-feature-launch-date-leak-specifications-features-price/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40
Guess am sticking with the v20. I cant live without removable battery. But Im always looking to import.
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Guess am sticking with the v20. I can't live without removable battery. But Im always looking to import.
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You want removable battery because your battery dies during the day or what? And you want to swap it out?
People keep saying the can't live without removable battery but won't ever say why. My wife and I have not have removable battery on our Androids since 2014, so I don't quite understand.
First, with newer phones with high IP ratings -- like V30 IP68 -- you can't have removable battery without a lot of engineering headache. Also designing back exit port (with clear exit/entry/walls) for user battery removal makes the phone bigger than it needs to be.
Second, the V30 battery life is EXCELLENT. Some days I don't even charge my phone until I get home from work, as the V30 system has great built-in battery saving. I do keep Quick Charge chargers in car and at work, just in case. (Why? Because of my previous phone.)
Coming from a 2014 Moto XT1225 with a 3900 mAh battery, I was very worried about battery life on a phone with smaller battery (3300 mAh) and larger OLED display (6" vs 5.2"). I've been pleasantly surprised. Ironically, the older Moto XT1225 with bigger battery would not hold a charge all day long, thus my charger stash in car and at work... And I'm still going to keep those. There's no harm in charging while I'm using Google Waze navigation or topping off at work while I'm typing on my laptop.
Third, no current or future premium phones are going to have removable battery. See point #1. So, unless you are going to keep buying increasingly older refurbished V20 phones, at some point you're going to need to move forward.
I love IP68 protection, myself and the V30 has headset jack and Qi wireless charging -- which are my "lines in the sand" for what I need on a phone.
I wouldn't mind the LG V40 battery being a little larger than LG V30 3300 mA... but I am quite pleased with the battery performance of the LG V30.
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You want removable battery because your battery dies during the day or what? And you want to swap it out?
People keep saying the can't live without removable battery but won't ever say why. My wife and I have not have removable battery on our Androids since 2014, so I don't quite understand.
First, with newer phones with high IP ratings -- like V30 IP68 -- you can't have removable battery without a lot of engineering headache. Also designing back exit port (with clear exit/entry/walls) for user battery removal makes the phone bigger than it needs to be.
Second, the V30 battery life is EXCELLENT. Some days I don't even charge my phone until I get home from work, as the V30 system has great built-in battery saving. I do keep Quick Charge chargers in car and at work, just in case. (Why? Because of my previous phone.)
Coming from a 2014 Moto XT1225 with a 3900 mAh battery, I was very worried about battery life on a phone with smaller battery (3300 mAh) and larger OLED display (6" vs 5.2"). I've been pleasantly surprised. Ironically, the older Moto XT1225 with bigger battery would not hold a charge all day long, thus my charger stash in car and at work... And I'm still going to keep those. There's no harm in charging while I'm using Google Waze navigation or topping off at work while I'm typing on my laptop.
Third, no current or future premium phones are going to have removable battery. See point #1. So, unless you are going to keep buying increasingly older refurbished V20 phones, at some point you're going to need to move forward.
I love IP68 protection, myself and the V30 has headset jack and Qi wireless charging -- which are my "lines in the sand" for what I need on a phone.
I wouldn't mind the LG V40 battery being a little larger than LG V30 3300 mA... but I am quite pleased with the battery performance of the LG V30.
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I want removable battery so I can replace it myself when it gives signs of wear. Without taking the whole damn phone apart!
I never take baths with my phone, all phones have enough water resistance so you can walk with them in the rain.
I really don't see the point in having water proofing on modern phones. Not when it comes at the cost of repairability or drop resistance.
FACT: old phones with removable battery were much more resistant on drops even if their parts (cover, battery) flew in all directions on big drops. I dropped old Nokia smartphones from 2nd story with no damage. How does water proofing help your flagship these days? They crack from laughable heights of under a meter.
I'm pretty sure drops on hard surfaces are much more common causes for damage than the lack of water proofing ever was in the past.
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I want removable battery so I can replace it myself when it gives signs of wear.
I never take baths with my phone, all phones have enough water resistance so you can walk with them in the rain.
I really don't see the point in having water proofing on modern phones.
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It's not taking baths, it's the drop off the edge of swimming pool. Drop in the toilet. (Ugh). Kid knocking over pitcher of tea at the dinner table, directly onto your phone.
V30 has mil spec ratings for dropping. See the forum description on the PC website version. Phone will keep functioning. I do keep case on for glass back as it's slippery.
LG V30 in United States has two year warranty.
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It's not taking baths, it's the drop off the edge of swimming pool. Drop in the toilet. (Ugh). Kid knocking over pitcher of tea at the dinner table, directly onto your phone.
V30 has mil spec ratings for dropping. See the forum description on the PC website version. Phone will keep functioning. I do keep case on for glass back as it's slippery.
LG V30 in United States has two year warranty.
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Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool. Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water or keep it away from kids.
I don't care about the specs for dropping and whatever others have tested and written about the phone.
I learned on my own how those specs mean absolutely nothing. I dropped the V30 from 60 cm on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone. These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.
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Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool. Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water or keep it away from kids.
I don't care about the specs for dropping and whatever others have tested and written about the phone.
I learned on my own how those specs mean absolutely nothing. I dropped the V30 from 60 cm on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone. These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.
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Well, you're never getting removable battery on a new premium phone, no matter how much you complain.
How often do you replace your batteries anyway?
Love the peace of mind of IP68, whether I ever need it or not. I've not had removable battery phone since 2014 and never missed that feature.
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@DLS123
i think that everything comes down to money... if you had the money you would change the friggin phones every month, every week... but it's like the fox and the grapes (if you understand what i mean)
as for battery change, how often do you change them? once a year? once two years? you might not even keep a phone that much and speaking about the phone beinng dismantled like that it means that you don't even do the operation of changing the battery
ip68 protection is very good. many people kill their phones because of liquid damage. there are many situations you cannot really control, like a sudden rain while you are outside, or dropping the phone into toilet, or having it on the table and someone spill some glass with water on it, etc... ip68 protection is more than welocome, it helps you sleep better at night. i once killed a nexus 5's display because i had it on the floor and at night i wanted to drink some water but because i was sleepy i dropped the bottle on the floor, didn't realize the phone was there until morning when was too late already. you putting the blame on us killing phones because of liquid damage makes you something that i cannot write here... many of us want less stress on our heads about phones. PLEASE do not judge us about something you cannot understand
i have had many phones with alot of physical impact damage, broken screens, broken cases, even bent cases. afterall it is a phone which is not made from vibranium, it's glass and plastic but if you refer at nokia 3310 with "old phones with removable battery" sentence then we might have a problem. everything with a full body display BREAKS, i can and i did, not on purpose anyway. nobody wants their phone to be a second baby and keep it all day long in silk... it's a phone, it's an OBJECT. everything in this world breaks with the right amount of force.
this is why i always use full body cases and tempered glass screen protectors, to minimize the repair costs. i am one of the few ppl out there who do not care about how it looks as long as i do not change display once a month.
damn, i abuse them like hell. my 5x even had three full charges a day, fully emptied, overheated till 80 degrees and it still works like a charm, with new battery and thermal pad to cool the processor little bit more. on the other side v30 gives me twice the battery life n5x had but sometimes i eat two v30's betteries in a day, removed thermal throttle completely so the gpu do not go dows when i play games.
changing the bettery is not that hard, you just need some good double adhesive tape and a small cross screwdriver and, of course, a new bettery which costs 10 euros.
don't be such an ignorant *something* and put your hands to work, evolve yourself or, if you do not want to, keep your outdated v20 and, please, do not criticize our awesome v30
I think water resistance is a great feature. Like insurance, I never intend to use it, but I still like having it "just in case".
I also think user replaceable battery is desirable, because the battery is the one thing that wears the most in a modern smartphone, and the one thing that makes it impractical to use a phone for several years. V30 has good battery life: I charge mine only every 3rd night (occasionally every 2nd night) and generally get 8 hrs SOT or more. But I use Battery Saver most of the time, and I do it mainly to reduce battery wear, because I need to keep this phone useful for at least 3 years. Had the battery been user replaceable, I wouldn't have that concern.
Alas, the two features are not compatible for the reasons described, so each has to prioritize and decide for him/herself.
I prefer anodized aluminium to glass, both for its looks, its feel, and its resistance to fingerprints. Hence V30 wasn't really my preferred phone at first. But it was my wife's, and with T-Mobile's BOGO AND LG's $400 rebate, it was a no-brainer. And I have since come to like it a lot, particularly after I trimmed the bloat, found the right case for it, and after I realized how great that Sabre DAC is. Paired with decent headphones, it really is a poor man's Hi-Fi system -- and a pretty darn good one too.
And I also really appreciate LG's 2-year warranty!
I insisted on 2 things with every phone I ever bought: removable battery and expandable storage. I never once replaced a battery (and every phone was a flagship on a full 2-year contract). I did, however, always rely on an extra microSD card for media and to make it easier and safer to flash new ROMs. But now that I have 128gb built-in, even that is hardly an issue. I never pay any attention to glass vs. aluminum vs. plastic body, because my phones all live in matte black TPU cases so they all look the same from my point of view.
I was as closed-minded as the next guy for nearly a decade, but darned if technology didn't just evolve beyond my needs.
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I was as closed-minded as the next guy for nearly a decade, but darned if technology didn't just evolve beyond my needs.
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LOL. Nice post!
Edit: I haven't yet filled up my 128GB either, even with most of my CDs as FLAC and a ton of hi-res music files to boot. And if I ever do, V30 still has an SD card slot. So it really has worked out to be the right phone for me, even though I didn't realize it at first.
I tried replacing phone batteries in the past. I learned that (1) low price aftermarket batteries have inferior performance and are a gamble with respect to safety, (2) OEM batteries are either way overpriced if fresh (only available while the phone is still in production), or "new" aka unused but stale*, or used and stale*.
Basically, it is a waste of time and money at best to replace a phone battery. (It is also a safety risk with most aftermarket Li-Ion batteries.) So, a phone is a 2 year device. After that, the battery is at end of life, the phone is slipping into obsolescence, time to get a new phone, forget about replacing batteries.
* Li-Ion batteries in this class have only a 2-3 year life whether they are used or not, as soon as they are manufactured the clock is ticking. Freshness matters. A 2-3 year old battery has only 60% or less original fresh capacity.
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I tried replacing phone batteries in the past. I learned that (1) low price aftermarket batteries have inferior performance and are a gamble with respect to safety, (2) OEM batteries are either way overpriced if fresh (only available while the phone is still in production), or "new" aka unused but stale*, or used and stale*.
Basically, it is a waste of time and money at best to replace a phone battery. (It is also a safety risk with most aftermarket Li-Ion batteries.) So, a phone is a 2 year device. After that, the battery is at end of life, the phone is slipping into obsolescence, time to get a new phone, forget about replacing batteries.
* Li-Ion batteries in this class have only a 2-3 year life whether they are used or not, as soon as they are manufactured the clock is ticking. Freshness matters. A 2-3 year old battery has only 60% or less original fresh capacity.
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Now that's a really good point you're making, that quality batteries are difficult to find after a couple years, or unreasonably expensive. I hadn't thought about that. Of course not that it matters with V30 :silly:
But I will say that good battery care really does make a difference with Li-Ion batteries, including minimizing the number of charging cycles AND minimizing the amount of time spent at the top and bottom of the battery's range (where its chemistry suffers the most). Case in point is the old Samsung laptop on which I am writing this: Its battery wear is still less than 20% after over six years. It is plugged in most of the time, but with Samsung's Battery Life Extender enabled, which stops charging at 80%. During those six year I've used it on battery about twice a week for meetings or presentations or working outside, but I try to avoid running it down completely. I charge it fully to 100% when I need the extra battery runtime, but mostly I have kept it within the 20-80% zone where Li-Ion is most comfortable.
With my V30 it is not practical to stop charging below 100% as I charge overnight. And maybe LG's charging logic makes it unnecessary. But I do avoid running it down completely, and I only charge it every 2-3 nights. So far my battery health is still at 102% after 8 months, according to AccuBattery -- although I am not sure how accurate that really is.
And we have soooooo hijacked this thread
So the V40 aspect of having a non-replaceable battery (like the V30 and most other current phones) was the point that went off on a tangent about the issues of phone battery replacement.
Here's the scenario, where you are careful to maximize your original phone battery by optimal charge state between 20-80%, moderate temperatures, moderate power draws, etc.:
You managed to keep it viable for an unusually long service life, maybe 3 years. Good! (But even optimal charging and service conditions cannot change the chronological aging problem of Li-ion batteries, so 3 years has dropped capacity to only 60% and falling.)
Now, you have a phone that is obsolete, with sub-par battery runtime. And, the other systems of the phone are at end of life too, because it is all designed for a 2 year service life, so failure probability is increasing rapidly.
Available batteries are stale and/or inferior quality (and most are safety hazards).
Are you going to try to keep the phone going with replacement battery? It is past the point of diminishing returns, and most aftermarket batteries are an increased safety hazard too (charging should be done only in a fully ventilated area with nothing nearby that can burn).
After learning all this by experience, I gave up on replacing phone batteries, and the user-replaceable battery.
Face it, a phone is just a disposable 2 year device. Replaceable battery is irrelevant. IMHO.
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Now that's a really good point you're making, that quality batteries are difficult to find after a couple years, or unreasonably expensive. I hadn't thought about that. Of course not that it matters with V30 :silly:
But I will say that good battery care really does make a difference with Li-Ion batteries, including minimizing the number of charging cycles AND minimizing the amount of time spent at the top and bottom of the battery's range (where its chemistry suffers the most). Case in point is the old Samsung laptop on which I am writing this: Its battery wear is still less than 20% after over six years. It is plugged in most of the time, but with Samsung's Battery Life Extender enabled, which stops charging at 80%. During those six year I've used it on battery about twice a week for meetings or presentations or working outside, but I try to avoid running it down completely. I charge it fully to 100% when I need the extra battery runtime, but mostly I have kept it within the 20-80% zone where Li-Ion is most comfortable.
With my V30 it is not practical to stop charging below 100% as I charge overnight. And maybe LG's charging logic makes it unnecessary. But I do avoid running it down completely, and I only charge it every 2-3 nights. So far my battery health is still at 102% after 8 months, according to AccuBattery -- although I am not sure how accurate that really is.
And we have soooooo hijacked this thread
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It's not really hijacking. Somebody said they wouldn't buy a better phone (we're hoping V40 will be a better phone) than the V30 (because it is posted in this thread, so therefore the implied comparison between the two) because it won't have replaceable battery. HUH?
Well, V30 also doesn't have replaceable battery and neither did my previous Motorola phone. So, that person wasn't just criticizing the still unknown V40 but even our current V30 phone.
They won't even buy V30, which is the best phone of 2017.
In a way, we're explaining even our V30, otherwise we would all be stuck using slider keyboards Eclair Androids. For good or bad, software keyboards are defacto. (No, don't even mention BlackBerry. They are not a trend.)
And sealed batteries are defacto.
* IP68 beats any reason for replaceable battery.
* Batteries are goingng to last 2-3 years. By then, you're going to get another phone.
* Also, battery charge lasts longer than in the past, where people needed to swap out batteries mid day.
* There is also QuickCharge technology that will give you six more hours in 15 minutes... I keep Quick Charge in car and at work.
Now you can always argue for bigger batteries, but sealed batteries are here for premium phones.
Same with IR blasters. No one is begging to control their TV with their phone. Sure, it's a "cool" trick to show off one time, but it is a not a real life concern for millions of people.
Now headset jack and Qi wireless charging, THOSE are important.
DLS123 said:
Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool.
Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water
or keep it away from kids.
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I could also admonish you to never be so clumsy... Forget about hyperactive kids, you dropped and broke your own phone. Ironically, ig you had at least dropped it in water, it would be OK.
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I dropped the V30 from 60 cm (about 24 inches) on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone.
These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.
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Cracked with drop of 2 feet to wooden floor, then you didn't have a case on your phone or the right case? Yeah, it's ironic we have to cover our glass phones with plastic.
You need a case for the back glass and you need raised lip on the case to protect the front display from hitting the floor.
But I like larger displays, I love IP68, I will not buy a phone without Qi wireless charging (so you can't have metal).
I do agree with you that a tightly sealed modern plastic which would still give you IP68 would definitely be better than glass (same plastic stuff race car driver helmets are made of) -- but you still wouldn't have removable battery. Those days are over.
And even though we cover our glass phones with plastic cases, somehow the buying public WANTS shiny glass at least to buy the phone. Then immediately cover it with plastic -- never to be seen again!
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I think water resistance is a great feature. Like insurance, I never intend to use it, but I still like having it "just in case"....
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FWIW, I don't think my V30 would've survived my trip to Spain for San Fermin without IP68. I can say with certainty, that it is not only water resistant, but also WINE RESISTANT!
San Fermin WINE INCOMING!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlJH_ZPBxdT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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FWIW, I don't think my V30 would've survived my trip to Spain for San Fermin without IP68. I can say with certainty, that it is not only water resistant, but also WINE RESISTANT!
San Fermin WINE INCOMING!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlJH_ZPBxdT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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LOL Yes, I can see that :laugh:
Drinks with sugar content (like wine and sodas) are some of the worst if they get inside electronics, because the sticky stuff remains and can keep shorting even after the liquid has dried out. So this is a perfect example of where IP68 proved to be "worth the insurance premium".
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You need a case for the back glass and you need upper lip on the case to protect the front display from hitting the floor.
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I started out with a clear TPU case with upper lip (this one) because I was terrified I would drop my expensive new glass phone. And while it did indeed protect, I never got to like the phone all the time I used it: It ruined the V30s elegant design and, ironically, it actually made me drop the phone TWICE on our tile floor because the sticky silicone rubber surface somehow surprised the tactile expectations of my hands when handling the phone.
After a few months I got a hard cover slim skin case instead (this one) and it completely changed my experience with the phone: It looks great (people now ask what kind of phone I have) and feels great in my hands. And while I realize it won't protect as well in case of a drop, I haven't dropped it since, because the mat silky surface behaves as my hands expect.
We recently got the same case for my wife's V30 -- although Rose Gold! She continues to use a Spigen clear TPU case during the week because she often drops her phone at work. But when we go out, she puts on the slim skin case
Late reply,
I understand the need-ness for ip rating and what not, but I can to grips that you'll never find a "flagship" in this day and age with everything you need ie.; Remote control, replacement battery, fast charging, military grade protection (I degress, maybe a sales pitch). I'm pretty sure everyone on xda is a tinker.. wanting to see how everything works.
With that being said I don't knock no one for their choices. I fully support anyone and their ideas. I know we are stuck (v20 7.0 2yrs) with awesome hardware but a ****ty company (sometimes or department). I don't really upgrade that much because I researched alot before I make a decision.