Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy A20 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy A20 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
No. It is not fast. Not At all. Even when comparing it to cheaper sub $100 phones,it is incredibly slow.
It takes a lot of time to launch basic apps even with all animations turned off to the minimum. Scrolling through menus is a nightmare. The biggest offence is game load times. You will always be the last to load to 100% in multiplayer games (Call of Duty Mobile, Mobile Legends, Darkness Rises). Note that the phone can't handle those games on Medium settings smoothly without stutters everywhere. It's geekbench scores and antutu scores are useless and not indicative of real life use.
Phones at its price point blow it out of water since they come with Snapdragon SOCs like 675. Cheaper phones come with the MTK helio P70 and are still faster. Even cheaper phones with the MTK A22 and P22 are way faster in basic app launch times.
Roydpeter said:
No. It is not fast. Not At all. Even when comparing it to cheaper sub $100 phones,it is incredibly slow.
It takes a lot of time to launch basic apps even with all animations turned off to the minimum. Scrolling through menus is a nightmare. The biggest offence is game load times. You will always be the last to load to 100% in multiplayer games (Call of Duty Mobile, Mobile Legends, Darkness Rises). Note that the phone can't handle those games on Medium settings smoothly without stutters everywhere. It's geekbench scores and antutu scores are useless and not indicative of real life use.
Phones at its price point blow it out of water since they come with Snapdragon SOCs like 675. Cheaper phones come with the MTK helio P70 and are still faster. Even cheaper phones with the MTK A22 and P22 are way faster in basic app launch times.
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This is false. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all.
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This is false. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all.
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I know what I am talking about. The Samsung A10S with the Mediatek Helio P22 is way faster than the Samsung A20. I have used both phones regularly and there is a big difference.
Any Chinese model phone around the $100 dollar mark is faster than Samsung A20 as long as its from 2017 and later. I am talking Infinix, Tecno, Oppo, Huawei blah blah.
Agree with you.
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This is false. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all.
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I´ve been playing PUBG in medium to high settings and have a good experience.
Well you can play pubg or whatever even if I kind of suspect being able to play pubg even on medium settings on this device.. even YouTube hangs for over 10 seconds sometimes before opening because of built in bloatwares and other apps notifications..
but the point is, this cheap phone got no decent speed compared to other phones of the same price, but i Personally I blame the oneui and the Samsung's bloated version of android
Maybeyou said:
Well you can play pubg or whatever even if I kind of suspect being able to play pubg even on medium settings on this device.. even YouTube hangs for over 10 seconds sometimes before opening because of built in bloatwares and other apps notifications..
but the point is, this cheap phone got no decent speed compared to other phones of the same price, but i Personally I blame the oneui and the Samsung's bloated version of android
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Looks like Samsung is not for you, so what are you doing in this forum?
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Looks like Samsung is not for you, so what are you doing in this forum?
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What's with the accusatory question! He states the truth! The soc that runs the A20 is not able to handle One UI and it's bloat.
The phone is very slow compared to cheaper phones with weaker specs but run on roms that are close to stock android.
Hell,I recently used a Samsung Duos with Touchwiz (older than OneUI and GraceUI) and that very old and cheap phone flies through menus. A phone that was being sold for $70 five years ago is faster than my 1 year old Samsung A20!
If Samsung was offering refunds,I would have taken the offer.
Everytime, I click on the Settings icon and it takes over 3 seconds to open, I die a little inside! Everytime the phone takes 1 second to register touches in the Settings menu,I die a little more.
The last time I experienced such slowness was during the time prior to Android 4.2(Jellybean) where phones had 256MB RAM!
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I´ve been playing PUBG in medium to high settings and have a good experience.
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The A20 can barely maintain 30 frames per second on the lowest Settings on most games! 30fps is the bare minimum! At lower frames, games are no longer smooth and are choppy. Frames per second (fps) also impact gameplay especially in fast paced games like First person shooters (COD Mobile, Pubg etc)
I have personally tested COD Mobile and Pubg! The A20 cannot maintain 30fps on the lowest settings at 17°C room temperature! Even the first 5 minutes, the game occasionally drops to 20fps! After 15 minutes, temperatures hit 42°C and the SOC heavily thermal throttles! The frames per second take a hit and drop to mid 20's to high 10's.
So don't lie about it being able to run games at medium to high settings! It can't! Or rather, it can at below 20fps! At that point, the game looks like a slideshow. Anything below 30fps is unplayable. For first person shooters, anything below 60fps is not optimal!
The A20 has never been able to hit 60fps on any game that I have played that isn't 2D.
Do it yourself. Install the official Samsung GamePlugins app from the GalaxyStore. Then enable the Performance monitor. It will enable you to see your frames per second and temperatures while in game.
I have noticed that most people can't tell when their games are running below 30fps because they are used to low end stuff.
I have not any problem.
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Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy A20 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy A20 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
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Really, i use it for gaming and not a single problem. Maybe is a region version that is a slow equipment.. but it isnt the mine.
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Roydpeter said:
What's with the accusatory question! He states the truth! The soc that runs the A20 is not able to handle One UI and it's bloat.
The phone is very slow compared to cheaper phones with weaker specs but run on roms that are close to stock android.
Hell,I recently used a Samsung Duos with Touchwiz (older than OneUI and GraceUI) and that very old and cheap phone flies through menus. A phone that was being sold for $70 five years ago is faster than my 1 year old Samsung A20!
If Samsung was offering refunds,I would have taken the offer.
Everytime, I click on the Settings icon and it takes over 3 seconds to open, I die a little inside! Everytime the phone takes 1 second to register touches in the Settings menu,I die a little more.
The last time I experienced such slowness was during the time prior to Android 4.2(Jellybean) where phones had 256MB RAM!
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The A20 can barely maintain 30 frames per second on the lowest Settings on most games! 30fps is the bare minimum! At lower frames, games are no longer smooth and are choppy. Frames per second (fps) also impact gameplay especially in fast paced games like First person shooters (COD Mobile, Pubg etc)
I have personally tested COD Mobile and Pubg! The A20 cannot maintain 30fps on the lowest settings at 17°C room temperature! Even the first 5 minutes, the game occasionally drops to 20fps! After 15 minutes, temperatures hit 42°C and the SOC heavily thermal throttles! The frames per second take a hit and drop to mid 20's to high 10's.
So don't lie about it being able to run games at medium to high settings! It can't! Or rather, it can at below 20fps! At that point, the game looks like a slideshow. Anything below 30fps is unplayable. For first person shooters, anything below 60fps is not optimal!
The A20 has never been able to hit 60fps on any game that I have played that isn't 2D.
Do it yourself. Install the official Samsung GamePlugins app from the GalaxyStore. Then enable the Performance monitor. It will enable you to see your frames per second and temperatures while in game.
I have noticed that most people can't tell when their games are running below 30fps because they are used to low end stuff.
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So **** u ... LOL
then why you buy a piece of ****? go and buy any other flagship and **** off.. The mobile is a mid/low range equipment, you must expect that performance..
Roydpeter said:
What's with the accusatory question! He states the truth! The soc that runs the A20 is not able to handle One UI and it's bloat.
The phone is very slow compared to cheaper phones with weaker specs but run on roms that are close to stock android.
Hell,I recently used a Samsung Duos with Touchwiz (older than OneUI and GraceUI) and that very old and cheap phone flies through menus. A phone that was being sold for $70 five years ago is faster than my 1 year old Samsung A20!
If Samsung was offering refunds,I would have taken the offer.
Everytime, I click on the Settings icon and it takes over 3 seconds to open, I die a little inside! Everytime the phone takes 1 second to register touches in the Settings menu,I die a little more.
The last time I experienced such slowness was during the time prior to Android 4.2(Jellybean) where phones had 256MB RAM!
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The A20 can barely maintain 30 frames per second on the lowest Settings on most games! 30fps is the bare minimum! At lower frames, games are no longer smooth and are choppy. Frames per second (fps) also impact gameplay especially in fast paced games like First person shooters (COD Mobile, Pubg etc)
I have personally tested COD Mobile and Pubg! The A20 cannot maintain 30fps on the lowest settings at 17°C room temperature! Even the first 5 minutes, the game occasionally drops to 20fps! After 15 minutes, temperatures hit 42°C and the SOC heavily thermal throttles! The frames per second take a hit and drop to mid 20's to high 10's.
So don't lie about it being able to run games at medium to high settings! It can't! Or rather, it can at below 20fps! At that point, the game looks like a slideshow. Anything below 30fps is unplayable. For first person shooters, anything below 60fps is not optimal!
The A20 has never been able to hit 60fps on any game that I have played that isn't 2D.
Do it yourself. Install the official Samsung GamePlugins app from the GalaxyStore. Then enable the Performance monitor. It will enable you to see your frames per second and temperatures while in game.
I have noticed that most people can't tell when their games are running below 30fps because they are used to low end stuff.
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My point us why buy a budget phone from Samsung and expect "a rocket phone"? Its a budget phone and if you feel is slow just go for something else.
stompi27 said:
Really, i use it for gaming and not a single problem. Maybe is a region version that is a slow equipment.. but it isnt the mine.
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So **** u ... LOL
then why you buy a piece of ****? go and buy any other flagship and **** off.. The mobile is a mid/low range equipment, you must expect that performance..
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You are a moron.
All Samsung A20s use the same SOC. The exynos 7885 also known as the 7884b.
The GPU is what games btw. Not the CPU. It's the Mali gpu component that plays games. And it is slow and crappy. Mali GPUs are mainly designed by ARM not Samsung unlike the CPUs where Samsung cuatomizes stock ARM cores and actively makes them worse.
And no, you don't game with zero problems. Gaming at less than 30fps isn't unproblematic. It's literally and figuratively unplayable. Samsung has provided a game plugin to show the fps on games. Why don't you install it and bring evidence over here that you are getting over 25fps on Pubg Medium settings after 5 minutes of gameplay!?
And I'll not f off unless Samsung refunds me. I don't understand why you are shilling and fanboyin for Samsung. They made a bad phone. You and I bought it. Don't defend your purchase. Stop with the buyers remorse. Your A20 is weaker than $70 phones from 3 years ago. The SamsungA10S running on an almost decade old Mediatek Helio p20 is faster than the A20: I have personally tested that.
Don't lie on a review page. Tell the truth. Let people get better phones. After all, there are numerous videos on YouTube showing what I am talking about. Simply being rude and being a fanboy won't make your phone any less slower.
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Have you ever used a non Samsung budget phone? It seems like you have never used one! They are all infinitely faster than the A20! I am talking about the Xiaomi 8, 8A , note 8/9, Huawei y7/y6, Infinix Hot/Note 9, Tecno Camon etc. They are all faster. When I bought the A20, I expected it to perform at per or even better than my 4 year old Infinix Note 5. It is slower! Why! Wtf!
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edwin270 said:
My point us why buy a budget phone from Samsung and expect "a rocket phone"? Its a budget phone and if you feel is slow just go for something else.
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I don't understand why people keep shilling and fanboyin for Samsung. They made a bad phone. You and I bought it. Don't defend your purchase. Stop with the buyers remorse. Your A20 is weaker than $70 phones from 3 years ago. The Samsung A10S running on an almost decade old Mediatek Helio p20 is faster than the A20: I have personally tested that.
Have you ever used a non Samsung budget phone? It seems like you have never used one! They are all infinitely faster than the A20! I am talking about the Xiaomi 8, 8A , note 8/9, Huawei y7/y6, Infinix Hot/Note 9, Tecno Camon etc. They are all faster. When I bought the A20, I expected it to perform at per or even better than my 4 year old Infinix Note 5. It is slower! Why! Wtf!
Roydpeter said:
You are a moron.
All Samsung A20s use the same SOC. The exynos 7885 also known as the 7884b.
The GPU is what games btw. Not the CPU. It's the Mali gpu component that plays games. And it is slow and crappy. Mali GPUs are mainly designed by ARM not Samsung unlike the CPUs where Samsung cuatomizes stock ARM cores and actively makes them worse.
And no, you don't game with zero problems. Gaming at less than 30fps isn't unproblematic. It's literally and figuratively unplayable. Samsung has provided a game plugin to show the fps on games. Why don't you install it and bring evidence over here that you are getting over 25fps on Pubg Medium settings after 5 minutes of gameplay!?
And I'll not f off unless Samsung refunds me. I don't understand why you are shilling and fanboyin for Samsung. They made a bad phone. You and I bought it. Don't defend your purchase. Stop with the buyers remorse. Your A20 is weaker than $70 phones from 3 years ago. The SamsungA10S running on an almost decade old Mediatek Helio p20 is faster than the A20: I have personally tested that.
Don't lie on a review page. Tell the truth. Let people get better phones. After all, there are numerous videos on YouTube showing what I am talking about. Simply being rude and being a fanboy won't make your phone any less slower.
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Have you ever used a non Samsung budget phone? It seems like you have never used one! They are all infinitely faster than the A20! I am talking about the Xiaomi 8, 8A , note 8/9, Huawei y7/y6, Infinix Hot/Note 9, Tecno Camon etc. They are all faster. When I bought the A20, I expected it to perform at per or even better than my 4 year old Infinix Note 5. It is slower! Why! Wtf!
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I don't understand why people keep shilling and fanboyin for Samsung. They made a bad phone. You and I bought it. Don't defend your purchase. Stop with the buyers remorse. Your A20 is weaker than $70 phones from 3 years ago. The Samsung A10S running on an almost decade old Mediatek Helio p20 is faster than the A20: I have personally tested that.
Have you ever used a non Samsung budget phone? It seems like you have never used one! They are all infinitely faster than the A20! I am talking about the Xiaomi 8, 8A , note 8/9, Huawei y7/y6, Infinix Hot/Note 9, Tecno Camon etc. They are all faster. When I bought the A20, I expected it to perform at per or even better than my 4 year old Infinix Note 5. It is slower! Why! Wtf!
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I'm not a fanboy of Samsung, maybe from Motorola. Just leave people buy what they can afford. And don´t be so apocaliptic.
I'm talking about the A20, not the A20s that is worst than the A20. Talking about the Benchmark, A20 is better than A30 and A20s, and A10. A10 is really a nightmare.
A20 isn´the best midrange but nether de worst.
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I'm not a fanboy of Samsung, maybe from Motorola. Just leave people buy what they can afford. And don´t be so apocaliptic.
I'm talking about the A20, not the A20s that is worst than the A20. Talking about the Benchmark, A20 is better than A30 and A20s, and A10. A10 is really a nightmare.
A20 isn´the best midrange but nether de worst.
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I am also not talking about the A20S. I am talking about all the Samsung A20 phones, in plural , A20s. Small s to denote plural. I should have added an apostrophe si as it would show up as A20s'. Either way, my point stands. They all run the exynos 7885/7884b and are slow af. The benchmarks do not reflect onto the real world use.
I am talking about the even cheaper A10S with the very old Mediatek helio p22. The A10s is noticeably faster than the A20. It is faster in menus and responds faster to input touches.
The exynos 7885/7884b on the A20 is bad. It has a higher antutu and geekbenchmark but performs worse than the very weak mtk p22 in real life.
Roydpeter said:
I am also not talking about the A20S. I am talking about all the Samsung A20 phones, in plural , A20s. Small s to denote plural. I should have added an apostrophe si as it would show up as A20s'. Either way, my point stands. They all run the exynos 7885/7884b and are slow af. The benchmarks do not reflect onto the real world use.
I am talking about the even cheaper A10S with the very old Mediatek helio p22. The A10s is noticeably faster than the A20. It is faster in menus and responds faster to input touches.
The exynos 7885/7884b on the A20 is bad. It has a higher antutu and geekbenchmark but performs worse than the very weak mtk p22 in real life.
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Must be in your region. Here The A20 is better than de A30 and both are better than the A10.
I'm not answering anymore to this thread.
Kisses in the buttcheek.
Not a flagship, it should do basic tasks pretty well though
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Hey everyone I'm a newbie in chinese smartphones cuz I haven't use one before , I'm actually on LG G4 and I want to switch to another smartphone !!
My Budget is 400$ Maximum !!
after many searches I've found 4 devices in that price range ,what I really want of my next future smartphone ,is to be an upgrade over My lg G4 camera and more performance.
My priorities are , Performance and longevity !! , good Camera , Solid build (Durability) , and Battery.
But I also want a good and Sharp display,good loudspeakers !!For Multimedia
I know that this is a lot to expect from a 400$ smartphone but I just want the best bang for bucks not that Perfect as flagships!!
I've found myself stuck with Oneplus 3 , Xiaomi Mi 5s, Honor 8 , Axon 7 and Zenfone 3 !!
it's very difficult for me to choose please help me , if there is another smartphone that you consider better please tell me !!
Best Regards,
Youssef
I can simply say that the Oneplus 3 is the fastest phone in multi-tasking in this row. I'm not sure but I do recommend you writing down what's important and watch alot of YouTube videos about all of the phones, overall in performance the Honor 8 with EMUI is the worst.
Puddi_Puddin said:
I can simply say that the Oneplus 3 is the fastest phone in multi-tasking in this row. I'm not sure but I do recommend you writing down what's important and watch alot of YouTube videos about all of the phones, overall in performance the Honor 8 with EMUI is the worst.
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Thanks man for your answer , I appreciate , But I've seen in some reviews that the Honor 8 performs well than the other smartphone I listed before ,especially in oppening apps and multitasking, But I haven't seen any gaming reviews of this smartphone compared to others but I guess that it might get some stutter , lags or some fps drops because of the low antutu and 3dMark benchmarks .
So what's important for me , is smoothness in day to day tasks , like browsing , social media(facebook,twitter,snapchat...) ,watching videos in youtube , listening to music via both headphones and loudspeakers, and playing some games in time to time( I'm not a heavy gamer).But I would expect also getting a good battery at least one whole day (4.5 hours or more SOT) .
But i would consider Also a good camera , I don't care about low light photos or video recording all I want is best daylight stills for social media sharing.
I know this is so difficult , becuz every smartphone excels in something .
PS:I fortgot to mention a good build(solid) not fragile, and a good display.
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Thanks man for your answer , I appreciate , But I've seen in some reviews that the Honor 8 performs well than the other smartphone I listed before ,especially in oppening apps and multitasking, But I haven't seen any gaming reviews of this smartphone compared to others but I guess that it might get some stutter , lags or some fps drops because of the low antutu and 3dMark benchmarks .
So what's important for me , is smoothness in day to day tasks , like browsing , social media(facebook,twitter,snapchat...) ,watching videos in youtube , listening to music via both headphones and loudspeakers, and playing some games in time to time( I'm not a heavy gamer).But I would expect also getting a good battery at least one whole day (4.5 hours or more SOT) .
But i would consider Also a good camera , I don't care about low light photos or video recording all I want is best daylight stills for social media sharing.
I know this is so difficult , becuz every smartphone excels in something .
PS:I fortgot to mention a good build(solid) not fragile, and a good display.
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You won't have a problem with multitasking on this phone, 6GB of ram and a bloody fast soc. Main reason I think that the Honor 8 peforms bad is because of the heavy UI it has. I have friends with Huawei p9s that starts lagging over time as cache piles up. If multitasking is the main priority the onepkus will score the bestm
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Youssefmans said:
Thanks man for your answer , I appreciate , But I've seen in some reviews that the Honor 8 performs well than the other smartphone I listed before ,especially in oppening apps and multitasking, But I haven't seen any gaming reviews of this smartphone compared to others but I guess that it might get some stutter , lags or some fps drops because of the low antutu and 3dMark benchmarks .
So what's important for me , is smoothness in day to day tasks , like browsing , social media(facebook,twitter,snapchat...) ,watching videos in youtube , listening to music via both headphones and loudspeakers, and playing some games in time to time( I'm not a heavy gamer).But I would expect also getting a good battery at least one whole day (4.5 hours or more SOT) .
But i would consider Also a good camera , I don't care about low light photos or video recording all I want is best daylight stills for social media sharing.
I know this is so difficult , becuz every smartphone excels in something .
PS:I fortgot to mention a good build(solid) not fragile, and a good display.
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You won't have a problem with multitasking on this phone, 6GB of ram and a bloody fast soc. Main reason I think that the Honor 8 peforms bad is because of the heavy UI it has. I have friends with Huawei p9s that starts lagging over time as cache piles up. If multitasking is the main priority the OnePlus will score the best.
OP3 is clear winner. Most important thing - software is where it shines. Also, hardware and build quality is premium.
I have lg g5 and im very satisfied with it!Especially with nougat this thing flies.how is oneplus 3 camera compared to g5's(video-photos)?
Do you recommend me op3 over g5?thank you!
I'll go for axon 7 if you can get pass the horrible lockscreen or maybe there already is a way to bypass it.
Performance-You really can't tell the 6 and 4gb ram apart unless you run like 12 apps at the same time, both will perform the same on gaming use, unless you want more bragging rights like most of the community here. or import the china 6gb ver if you can get it.
Longevity- op3 wins on software as even no official updates, xda will continue on. Hardware wise, ditto I only has mine for 5 months. BUT zte promises a far better warranty deal, especially how renown op is with customer service.
Multimedia-The axon screen is really better to me, no colour shift when watching the screen sideways and if you game and concentrate hard, you'll see the 2k vs 1080 difference. But it's not really a dramatic difference.
Sound-Whatever super dac on the axon will NOT blow your mind. I can't say for all but it's not the same feeling like changing a 10 to 100bucks headphone to me. You can't tell the difference unless you a audiophile. HOWEVER, the stereo does. no more hand cover up, immersive gaming, no more turning up the vol just to hear what the character says, etc.
Do note I'm comparing axon and op3 only as I only has these. The camera, battery etc depends on your usage.
I think you should add more factors for consideration, link unlocking bootloader/root/rescue, choices of custom roms, active of community, etc...
Recently I had speed test with my friend's Redmi note 4 and unexpectedly I lost against him in single pubg opening time by a margin of 10 seconds.
I was on pie sGSI ( I know that it lags but I thought that sd820 is enough powerful to beat sd 625 on any crappy software.)
This blown my mind and raised many questions.
1.how much does a software optimization is important in Android smartphones ??
2.software vs hardware which is more important ??
3.stock rom vs custom rom. Is it really beneficial to use custom ROMs ??
4.latest Android or stable 2 yrs old Android which is preferable ??
5.which is your favourite combination of rom for your zuk in performance ( here performance means without compromising heating and excessive battery drain) ??
6.how is stock Chinese zui ??
Please Reply With detailed experience.
Thanks.
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
praveensm899 said:
Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
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Another one. lol
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
senthamizhan said:
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Qualcomm's ****ty 4 kryo cores are enough to beat 8 a53 cores.
Because of sd 820 all I can see is HD or High graphics options in games and you can't play it because of heating and battery consumption.
So sd 820 is a mid ranger now:laugh:
If you can balance out the cpu thermal throttling issue, then the sd820 beats out the sd625 in GPU demanding games like PUBGM, Asphalt 9. The sd625 will never come close to being able to run those 2 games on high settings. The sd625 on the other hand, have very consistent performance and basically never throttle
I personally would have chosen a sd625 device, but the prices of sd820 devices now is almost same as sd625 devices, so their performance being close is nothing special. sd820 is just a less crappy sd810, and I still remember saying sd820 is bad on this forum and have ppl told me Im crazy
LMAO
Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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And I agree with everything you said.
The performance you get on emulators on 625 is laughable compared to what you get on 820. I don't ever these guys are on about; 625 doesn't stand a chance against 820
as someone who had sd820 and sd625, my conclusion is sd625 is battery optimized with balanced performance, suitable for long term use. while sd820 excel in performance, it depends on the termal & kernel setting, cause sd820 heat a lot when used heavily (gaming or video processing), if by any chance zuk z2 had a better cooling system (like the new liquid cooling system) i think it could easily beat sd625. what make sd820 nor fully optimized was it heat, then the thermal config tried to cool it, which disturb the hardware performance.
simply said, sd820 can reach the top of the wall, but can't hang on too long. while sd625 can only reach half of the wall, but it can hang in to it as long as it want. in a battle of endurance, i would pick sd625
There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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You do realize that you're on the z2+ forum, where most ppl is using it right?
The phone & SoC has flaws, no one can deny that. It just happen to suit your use case, doesn't mean it does so for everyone
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I suggest you to read the z2 forum carefully. Solution for all your peoblems is there.
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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LOL
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underworld_king said:
Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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http://s.aliexpress.com/nMFzaUri?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
It says glass panel but see the description, material used is metal.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Maybe its badluck for you! i have played pubg on highest setting with 30-40 fps and tempreture under 45C. hardware does matter. and so does software optimization. both go hand in hand
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Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol for u bro
I guess ur one crazy redmi note 4 fanboi or maybe not
But anyways
My z2 every time wins against my friends redmi note 4 in terms of pubg that to I play on 1080p med settings, his on low settings
As ppl earlier said pubg is not well optimised
U say u have tried all ROMs
Having big appload or not letting the ROM to settle or frequently changing roms and some impatience leads to these kinds of moronic conclusions
I guess u haven't tried ROMs like OOS miui cardinal nitrogen
Not to exclude jaguar bootleggers
Even on zui it better than redmi note 4
Except rros old builds coz their speeds aren't that good
As far as sd820 is concerned
My god bro u haven't heard of op3t phone I guess
I played on 1080p high settings no lag whatsoever
It even crushes zuk z2
So i have been using my ROGPHONE 2 (12/512) for almost 1 month now. Getting ready for Diablo Immortal to launch(been 2 years and still not launched) Played CODM, Ragnarok M, Temple Run 2, PVZ 2, NFS, Asphalt, Jurassic World and the list goes on.
And recently i bought a $200 Nintendo Switch Lite for the sake of Diablo 3 Eternal Collection and for the sake its only $200.Im a huge Diablo fanboy. And turns out "Console" is still better than "Smartphones".
My point is whats with this Gaming Phone Hype? Best benchmark bla bla bla. My ROGPHONE 2 at times stutter while playing games. Whereas my Switch Lite dont.
Yes i know its better to have 1 device which can do all rather than have multiple devices. But the differences is outrageous. How can a $200 Console do better than a $900 "Gaming" Smartphone?
*im not mentioning the games available for console vs mobile*
Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..
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Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..
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Between those 3. And lets say CODM. The best is ROGPHONE 2. Why? Because no notch. Yes i can hide the notch but the area near the notch is very unresponsive. I have made many threads about this in AC forums.
But the ROGPHONE 2 section there is dead. That's why im here xD
yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.
weyrulez said:
yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.
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Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
HermesHidayat said:
Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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Hi guys, I can relate to everything you said and was also thinking about the switch. But as I bought this phone for 500$ it was a no brainier.
The sad state of gaming in Android is not a hardware issue but bad Android OS api implementation. This is supposedly handled in new vulkan api. But the worst problem is the crap state of content, with virtually all games adopting freemium models which kill all games. For some reason people expect to get things for free on mobile and don't want to pay for good games so companies delivered free crap which makes you pay to play. 5,6 years ago there were plenty of good premium games, now they are rare. I'm actually now checking game streaming services.
HermesHidayat said:
Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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It's all semantics.
Let's grade all the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then it's obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones against dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*
I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................
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I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................
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The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?
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The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?
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ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.
vygneys_vyg said:
ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.
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So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...
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It's all semantics.
Let's grade a the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then its obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones with dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*
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Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
Why are we even comparing a mobile device vs a dedicated gaming console in the 1st place ? ?
Rog phone 2 is a great phone simple...
The 120hz AMOLED, 6000mah battery , sd 855+ already won my heart
HermesHidayat said:
Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..
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Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..
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I played this game a lot and it never had a stuttered. It is actually one of the better optimised games. In online games, stutters can also be the result of bad network connection.
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So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...
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Games on iOS are usually better optimized. Game devs just spend more effort on iOS games because they get more profit from iOS than from Android.
I have a pro max and a rog 2. The pro max will only run heavy games for like 20mins then it will get hot and brightness will go down to 50% or less. That is not a pleasant experience if you're a serious gamer. The iPhone can only hit peak performance for a short time because it is a passively cooled device, despite the powerful hardware.
In short, just use the switch or xbox or Playstation for serious gaming, games are much much more optimized for the hardware there and they are all actively cooled dedicated gaming consoles..
HermesHidayat said:
Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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CODM stutters on iOS too - especially with a crappy internet connection. I play CODM on the ROG2, connected to a 5G router and no issues, but when connected to 100mbit HFC broadband connection i get the odd stutter. CODM is smooth 99% of the time for me, so its something beyond the phone thats your issue..
Maybe you should stick to the Nintendo... Sounds like its the only solution for someone like yourself. :good:
Anyone having issues with lag or stutter in game is misidentifying the issue causing the stutter or lag. Or you just can't figure out XMode. This phone is a beast. Thermal throttling isn't an issue. If you're trying to compare a gaming console of any level to a smartphone you probably like to compare apples to oranges too. Why not add gaming PCs to the mix? Understanding the difference in platforms would be a good place to learn why this phone is so amazing, and is cheap for the amount of tech in it, especially when you consider how well it runs heavy games. I can play Classic Matches in PUBG for hours on end and even charge without ever dropping a frame. Show me any other phone in the world besides other 2nd Gen Gaming Phones that can do that.....go ahead, I'll wait..........
Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
Know XMode and set it up for every game.
Use the fan for heavy games, always! (my fan never leaves the phone except for cleaning)
Use the fastest data connection you can for gaming. Lag comes from servers, not this phone. Mobile Data almost always has higher ping than wifi.
If you aren't hyped about this phone you're probably not in to mobile gaming, so why do you even have this phone? Much better phones out there to be just phones. This phone is for playing mobile games.
For reference I played on a Note 9 and an iPhone XS Max before getting this ROG. To say this phone has allowed me to win battles I would have lost on my other phones, would be understating it. This phone is a God at gaming. Can't wait for the ROG 3.
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The state of mobile gaming is getting better all the time. Everyone keeps talking about how terrible it is. Yeah so terrible the two biggest games in the history of the world are both mobile games. You can combine all the rest of the gaming platforms and still not get close to the active daily player base of mobile and it's most popular games. So keep being snooty about gaming superiority, and I'll keep laughing all the way to the bank. Mobile is the future of all tech. If you can't, won't, or don't see that then all I can say is have fun stuck in the past. Not everyone can afford computers and consoles and cameras and TVs. But you can get all that in one device that also makes phone calls and most people can afford one, so do the math, it's pretty simple. Player base numbers alone make mobile the superior platform. Those numbers already working to continue to take out PC and Console hardware gaps and limitations. Pushing phones to be capable of more and more. Will phones ever be as capable as something with a large die cast for processors? No. More room is always better. But the gap will be so small some day soon you'll have one game released for all platforms. Wait, that already happened like two years ago. Only a matter of time before they all do.
I sold my XBox One X to convert to mobile gaming all the time. Because I see the future of gaming and mobile tech all colliding and the lines between platforms being blurred in to non existence(Stadia). We've already seen mobile players beat out console and PC players in Fortnite. How bad is mobile gaming really? I think I've read some of the most biased and uneducated opinions here. Which is sad, this is XDA.
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Been reading the debates. you peeps debating Rog vs switch lite. I feel Nokia 3310 wins here. xD
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Agree with your point. People are comparing console and phones for no reasons. and yep it is advertised as best gaming phone and it indeed is the best gaming phone.
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Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
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To be honest, I couldn't find a worthy contender to get as a daily driver for the last 2 years. I don't really do gaming on it apart from occasional pubg game, or some emulation. BUT the sheer firepower this phone holds bought me, especially screen+battery+3.5mm jack+front stereo speakers. And I know this phone will easily last me another 3-4years of usage (with occasional battery exchange of course). I considered note10+, but lack of 3.5mm jack and no stereo speakers killed it for me (former nexus6 owner). So You can't tell people not to buy this phone as a daily driver, maaaybe if someone works with a lot of dust this phone might not be the best idea, but there is a fix to that too (basically wrap it around -screen with stretch foil for daily usage - no need to make holes for ports, except if you use the 3.5mm jack)
Hey there today I broke the screen of my Huawei P30 Pro,and now I am in need of a new phone and dont have a lot of money and I was considering A72,but the one and only thing that I am botherd with since its procesor is much weaker then that of my p30 pro, Can it run Dota underlords, it is literaly the only game I play and its a bit of an ritual for me,morning coffe and underlords. I chose A72 cause of price,big screen and watter resistance, and its curently on sale in one of the store in my country. Can someone test it pl for 20,30 mins on good graphic settings,or if someone by any chance already plays that game on the A72. I need fast reply cause the sale is only today,thank you in advance!
DOTA Underlords has like .. very low requirements, it can even run on 32-bit devices, 1.5 GB of RAM, ...
Consider seeing this video for A72 PUBG gameplay. Even the older A71 is a great choice.
Developers also optimize games for Snapdragon chips more than they do for Kirin chips, comparing a chip vs. chip isn't the same as comparing device vs. device.
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Hey there today I broke the screen of my Huawei P30 Pro,and now I am in need of a new phone and dont have a lot of money and I was considering A72,but the one and only thing that I am botherd with since its procesor is much weaker then that of my p30 pro, Can it run Dota underlords, it is literaly the only game I play and its a bit of an ritual for me,morning coffe and underlords. I chose A72 cause of price,big screen and watter resistance, and its curently on sale in one of the store in my country. Can someone test it pl for 20,30 mins on good graphic settings,or if someone by any chance already plays that game on the A72. I need fast reply cause the sale is only today,thank you in advance!
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I used to play this game, but now I switched to Auto chess, because Dota optimization was very upsetting (. You can read reviews in the market, everyone writes about poor optimization. I'll say this, it's not comfortable to play at high settings. The game is generally unoptimized.
A72 is not to say that the game. For this price, you can take a smartphone with a more powerful processor for games. A72 is still more about cameras
Regarding the OnePlus throttling gate, you can read here:
Examining OnePlus' Performance Behaviour: Optimization or Misrepresentation?
www.anandtech.com
The OnePlus 9 seems to be throttling its performance in many popular apps
The OnePlus 9 Pro seems to be limiting the performance in popular apps like Chrome, Twitter, Zoom, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, and more.
www.xda-developers.com
This is just stupid, I have been running a 7 pro for 4 years, it has been, hands down, one of the best smartphones I ever owned, performance has been great from day 1 to last day and it is still living with a relative of mine, and he is supper happy with it, I have play a lot, like A LOT and it has worked flawlessly every single time.
I got a 9 pro in october past year and it has been a pain in the ass, the poor performance has been annoyingly usual, the only way to play 120FPS in some games is a magisk module intended for a Samsung F62 which I can't figure out why (because I have no knowledge about this) but it makes some game run 120FPS, however performance is really bad, there is frame drops in some points where my couple's nord 2 demolishes with no issue... I can't figure out why a nord 2 outperforms my 9 pro (i know nord 2 is 90Hz but it is much more solid 90FPS being lower tier).
Let me explain, my couple nord 2 remains 90FPS where my 9 pro gets as low as 30FPS, it is noticeable and annoying.
Is there some sort of magisk module or something "comfortable" for newbies which can be enabled or disabled at taste? I don't mind rebooting phone (I do every time i want to play some games with module I mentioned xd)
I did not tinker with kernels (not yet, did in the past with my former LG G2 and Galaxy S3 but it was quite different). I would like to remain in the Oxygen OS path for now too.
I tried lots of things, AI booster for magisk, also Adreno drivers and nothing seems to work, just performance scaling which seems to lower freq in order to improve battery life, but never higher performance (high performance mode in battery settings seems to do nohing, also tried)
Looking for this as well, as well as a module to disable annoying Doze by the SystemUI. I tried a few modules but the devices still dozes.
SnoopyFTW said:
Regarding the OnePlus throttling gate, you can read here:
Examining OnePlus' Performance Behaviour: Optimization or Misrepresentation?
www.anandtech.com
The OnePlus 9 seems to be throttling its performance in many popular apps
The OnePlus 9 Pro seems to be limiting the performance in popular apps like Chrome, Twitter, Zoom, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram, and more.
www.xda-developers.com
This is just stupid, I have been running a 7 pro for 4 years, it has been, hands down, one of the best smartphones I ever owned, performance has been great from day 1 to last day and it is still living with a relative of mine, and he is supper happy with it, I have play a lot, like A LOT and it has worked flawlessly every single time.
I got a 9 pro in october past year and it has been a pain in the ass, the poor performance has been annoyingly usual, the only way to play 120FPS in some games is a magisk module intended for a Samsung F62 which I can't figure out why (because I have no knowledge about this) but it makes some game run 120FPS, however performance is really bad, there is frame drops in some points where my couple's nord 2 demolishes with no issue... I can't figure out why a nord 2 outperforms my 9 pro (i know nord 2 is 90Hz but it is much more solid 90FPS being lower tier).
Let me explain, my couple nord 2 remains 90FPS where my 9 pro gets as low as 30FPS, it is noticeable and annoying.
Is there some sort of magisk module or something "comfortable" for newbies which can be enabled or disabled at taste? I don't mind rebooting phone (I do every time i want to play some games with module I mentioned xd)
I did not tinker with kernels (not yet, did in the past with my former LG G2 and Galaxy S3 but it was quite different). I would like to remain in the Oxygen OS path for now too.
I tried lots of things, AI booster for magisk, also Adreno drivers and nothing seems to work, just performance scaling which seems to lower freq in order to improve battery life, but never higher performance (high performance mode in battery settings seems to do nohing, also tried)
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The links you posted, those articles are not RELEVANT to YOUR issue. The throttling you're experiencing is a thermal throttling behavior that is literally NORMAL and part of EVERY OEM/Phone.
If you're on a STOCK ROM, the only way to somewhat "kill" the default throttling behavior is to disable/freeze the BATTERY package (app) either via Titanium Backup or some other app. That will prevent the phone from throttling based on the SKIN/Battery temperature.
Otherwise, Custom ROMs based on either OOS12 or OOS13 don't have any of that stock OEM throttling behavior.
JohnTheFarm3r said:
The links you posted, those articles are not RELEVANT to YOUR issue. The throttling you're experiencing is a thermal throttling behavior that is literally NORMAL and part of EVERY OEM/Phone.
If you're on a STOCK ROM, the only way to somewhat "kill" the default throttling behavior is to disable/freeze the BATTERY package (app) either via Titanium Backup or some other app. That will prevent the phone from throttling based on the SKIN/Battery temperature.
Otherwise, Custom ROMs based on either OOS12 or OOS13 don't have any of that stock OEM throttling behavior.
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Is it really thermal throttling? I mean, phone does not get any warmer than usual and for example, Brawl Stars is capped at 60 FPS like most games in BBK phones (but Brawl stars worked 120FPS flawless some time ago, not much, a year ago or so I had a Realme GT Neo 2 which ran games buttersmooth and has basically the same software, color OS, which now has the same issue, games capped to 60 FPS and crap performance)
That is not normal behaviour because Brawl Stars devs claimed the game is fully unlocked and if it works below screen refresh is because of the phone software, that's the "throttling" I mean, don't know if it is because of the famous whitelisting of Oppo.
What I mean is in previous software games worked properly and now performance is a joke (I mention realme GT Neo 2 because is what I could test in the past, I loved it, that's why is a bummer getting a "better phone" which works much worse).
Get an Xbox and solve all your game problems!
TheGhost1951 said:
Get an Xbox and solve all your game problems!
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An Xbox? Are you from USA?
I just want my phone works as it should, I don't care about battery.
Also tried disabling battery app and no difference, same behaviour, I'm in OOS13 latest update.
Maybe I should give a try to custom ROM...
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Is it really thermal throttling? I mean, phone does not get any warmer than usual and for example, Brawl Stars is capped at 60 FPS like most games in BBK phones (but Brawl stars worked 120FPS flawless some time ago, not much, a year ago or so I had a Realme GT Neo 2 which ran games buttersmooth and has basically the same software, color OS, which now has the same issue, games capped to 60 FPS and crap performance)
That is not normal behaviour because Brawl Stars devs claimed the game is fully unlocked and if it works below screen refresh is because of the phone software, that's the "throttling" I mean, don't know if it is because of the famous whitelisting of Oppo.
What I mean is in previous software games worked properly and now performance is a joke (I mention realme GT Neo 2 because is what I could test in the past, I loved it, that's why is a bummer getting a "better phone" which works much worse).
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it is because of thermal throttling, literally. The phone doesn't get warmer because it's being limited, hence the point of thermal throttling.
The refresh rate - FPS - in a game depends solely on the devs. If the game has in one device for example support for 120 FPS, and it doesn't have in another device, it's not because of the device but because the developers either didn't "whitelist" that specific device or weren't updated in a longer time.
JohnTheFarm3r said:
it is because of thermal throttling, literally. The phone doesn't get warmer because it's being limited, hence the point of thermal throttling.
The refresh rate - FPS - in a game depends solely on the devs. If the game has in one device for example support for 120 FPS, and it doesn't have in another device, it's not because of the device but because the developers either didn't "whitelist" that specific device or weren't updated in a longer time.
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Hmm...
With the magisk module I mentioned device name changes from LE2123 to SO-52A or something similar, makes also work codm 120 FPS pretty good, much better than brawl stars which is much weaker in terms of graphics quality and detail.
Is there any way to spoof model name to test this? If so devs are lying big time. When launched 9 pro they announced collab with many games, even hypertouch feature which is gone and for what seems now touch sampling rate is just 120Hz from the 360 advertised (monitoring with apps say so).
Also tried to disable battery app and no difference, behaviour is the same.
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Hmm...
With the magisk module I mentioned device name changes from LE2123 to SO-52A or something similar, makes also work codm 120 FPS pretty good, much better than brawl stars which is much weaker in terms of graphics quality and detail.
Is there any way to spoof model name to test this? If so devs are lying big time. When launched 9 pro they announced collab with many games, even hypertouch feature which is gone and for what seems now touch sampling rate is just 120Hz from the 360 advertised (monitoring with apps say so).
Also tried to disable battery app and no difference, behaviour is the same.
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Disabling the battery app is for the throttling workaround, not to increase the frames in the game that don't support it on your device. lol
Anyways, blame the devs...They're the ones that need to add support for the specific device to go above the XY FPS.
The smartphone wasn't intended to be a gaming device. Chipset and battery not rated for it. Get an Xbox or some similar device for gaming that it was intended for! Just my opinion.
You can test the throttling using a CPU/GPU Throttle Testing app. The OP 9 starts throttling at a low temperature, I can notice FPS dropping in games starting at 38 degrees.
I use a cooling fan attached to my OP to keep the phone at a constant 32 degrees. I also bought a heat dispersion case to help further.
Also using Konabess to undevolt the GPU also helps a bit.
TheGhost1951 said:
The smartphone wasn't intended to be a gaming device. Chipset and battery not rated for it. Get an Xbox or some similar device for gaming that it was intended for! Just my opinion.
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I'm not asking for it to perform in graphic demanding games, I'm telling you even a redmi note 10 pro (that thing is actually not rated for anything) outperforms the 9 pro in light gaming because it is not capped.
Blame the devs, blame OnePlus, I just want to know if there is any solution, I purchased the phone a few months ago and I'm finding stupid behaviours an "allegedly" flagship should not have.
Jeez even my couple Nord 2 is much better in games, that hurts...
And yeah. Get an Xbox blablabla, I do own a PS4, a powerful laptop and a powerful desktop, I just want my stupid phone to do what it should do or at least know why or if it can be solved, this is not r/xbox.
This is an issue many people complain about but OnePlus ever stated anything.
For what I can see my options are getting a cheap 120HZ phone or custom ROM (I saw a blackshark 4 for 200EUR which runs games fine)
JohnTheFarm3r said:
Disabling the battery app is for the throttling workaround, not to increase the frames in the game that don't support it on your device. lol
Anyways, blame the devs...They're the ones that need to add support for the specific device to go above the XY FPS.
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The thing is when released the 9 pro, OnePlus brand had collabs with many games, even hypertouch, all of it disappeared into thin air...
That was the main reason for me to purchase, I had a great experience with my former 7 pro and I couldn't even think this could be a thing.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1367122914961670156
This thread is of the main dev of the game I'm talking about. He claims the brand has to whitelist app in order to make it work 120HZ/120FPS.
Is there no way to modify that "whitelist"? I've read sometimes about this but rarely found anything (anything users can do about it lmao) and we all know how lazy oppo is with this things, there can be a thousand posts in OnePlus community ther will never answer.
SnoopyFTW said:
The thing is when released the 9 pro, OnePlus brand had collabs with many games, even hypertouch, all of it disappeared into thin air...
That was the main reason for me to purchase, I had a great experience with my former 7 pro and I couldn't even think this could be a thing.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1367122914961670156
This thread is of the main dev of the game I'm talking about. He claims the brand has to whitelist app in order to make it work 120HZ/120FPS.
Is there no way to modify that "whitelist"? I've read sometimes about this but rarely found anything (anything users can do about it lmao) and we all know how lazy oppo is with this things, there can be a thousand posts in OnePlus community ther will never answer.
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This is a GAME SIDE issue, not a phone-side issue. There is no whitelist on a phone that will enable you the unsupported FPS.
SnoopyFTW said:
An Xbox? Are you from USA?
I just want my phone works as it should, I don't care about battery.
Also tried disabling battery app and no difference, same behaviour, I'm in OOS13 latest update.
Maybe I should give a try to custom ROM...
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If you want to try a custom rom, Extended is great as daily driver and for gaming as well
Well, if XBox isn't available then look for a Microsoft Play Station instead!
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This is a GAME SIDE issue, not a phone-side issue. There is no whitelist on a phone that will enable you the unsupported FPS.
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You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root
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You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root
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Try your own phone model in the virtual machine. What happens?
Arealhooman said:
Try your own phone model in the virtual machine. What happens?
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If I set up OnePlus LE2123/20/25 game runs 60FPS.
If I set for instance, my couple nord 2 DN2103 runs 120FPS same settings, just device name and brand changed!
Presets for S20, Xiaomi 10, vivo x50 all run 120 FPS.
Which for me is big yikes It is clearly devs fault, there has to be something odd...
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You are totally correct my friend... I have been tinkering with vmos app, I created a virtual machine in my own phone (lmao sounds like science fiction, but damnit this 888 has muscle) and it is just because devs do it intentionally.
I tried different phone makes and models... Casually Snapdragon flagship cap the game to 60FPS, but NORD devices make it run 120 FPS (you can set FPS settings in the VM option).
This is hilarious. Seems to me OnePlus just broke some contract conditions and this is devs punishment... Makes no sense, I have to test further but this is what I found for now. My doubt is if I might get a ban for using the game in a virtual machine... This is not relevant for this post!
Hope it helps someone, for exclusive games working just 120HZ in some devices you can spoof model name without root
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So what are you saying exactly: if we spoof our device to a different one, we get more fps?