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First of all let me say that my only reason for conducting these tests is to bring attention to any issues I find, so that they can be addressed by Samsung and T-Mobile. I am just the messenger, don't shoot.
If you have not seen the results of my display tests for this phone, I encourage to you to check them out here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942
I conducted the following tests with 4 phones. 2 Sprint Galaxy S II phones and 2 T-Mobile Galaxy S II phones. Now let's see how our phone compares with the Sprint phone when it comes to the front camera.
1. Front camera test using DSLR
For this test I borrowed some data from my earlier display test. All 4 phones were switched to front camera and the camera settings were reset to default. I then put the phones down on a table and took a picture with my Canon 60D.
Needless to say, this looks really really bad for T-Mobile sets. This is the test that gave me the idea that something else was going on here in addition to the well known screen problems of the T-Mobile/Telus phone. As we will shortly see, the T-Mobile phone is suffering from a double whammy of screen and camera problems in this test.
2. Low light test
For this test I lined up some random objects on the floor and took pictures using all 4 phones. The room was lit by one CFL bulb, pointed in the opposite direction of the objects being photographed. The camera settings were reset to factory settings. I used the 2-second timer to take pictures from the front camera. The EXIF data on all the pictures is identical. Please keep in mind that this test used jpeg data from the phone camera. And the screen defects played no role. Full size, un-edited pictures are available if you click on an image below.
Camera maker : SAMSUNG
Camera model : Sprint: SPH-D710 T-Mobile: SGH-T989
F-stop : f/2.8
Exposure time: 1/8 sec.
ISO speed : ISO-400
3. High light test
For this test I repeated test 2 above. But opened up the curtains to let the light in from outside and pointed the CFL bulb towards the objects being photographed.
Conclusion
And the parade of tears continues. Like the display, the front camera loses the battle badly. The hardware is supposed to be identical. Why does the T-Mobile continue to perform poorly? Was the QA team sleeping at the wheel?
The low light test probably needs no analysis. It is easy to see that the pictures from the T-Mobile phone are just plain dark. In the bright light test, if one is not paying attention it would be easy to overlook the washed out colors in the pictures produced by the T-Mobile camera.
I'll continue to update this post as additional data on the performance of front facing camera becomes available.
man im getting very disappointed with my phone, tmo users always getting the short end of the stick..
Wow, this is really eye-opening. I'm assuming you wiped off the lens on both phones before the tests? The T-Mobile one almost looks like it's shooting through a haze.
Also, has anyone done a comparison on the rear-facing cameras?
Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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Dont forget to thank this guy for his hard work WOW. Still trying to get someone with some followers to voice a concern about this.
I noticed this a little too, but I totally overlooked it.. I will probably never use the front facing camera on any device... But it does both me that t-mobile devices are worse quality... Might as well purchase it at walmart
I seriously think I am going to side step to the Galaxy Nexus when it is available, mostly for the screen issues on Tmo GS2...
Well first of all no need for a separate thread for this ffc for all phones are crap. Second of all you need more precise test. Like see if Samsung and T-Mobile are using the Same screen manufacturer. You can see this by typing dsmeg. In terminal emulator. You have to remember that you have tested I say about 7-8 devices. Not all of them. Xda is about 1% of a total population that has Samsung galaxy 2
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phewizzo said:
Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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SuperCurio the developer for voodoo screen tuning said this himself. We are missing the MdNie chip for processing the screen due to the chipset switch. Meaning Hardware.We emulate the chip in our phones using the Qualcomm MDP. Like i said it may can be fixed by getting better emulation software and samsung reworking the drivers for optimization for the screen. The closest update we have is the wifi calling update which will probably bring various bug fixes as well for the samsung galaxy s2.
I've done some video chat over Skype in the last few days and this has been the best front facing camera that I have ever used. People have noticed a much clearer and smoother image from the SGS2 FFC than from the 3 different PC webcams that I use. I don't know much about the Sprint version, but I've been very happy with ours.
Hopefully they will release an update to fix it...
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Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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I have the same opinion.
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Well first of all no need for a separate thread for this
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We are talking about two separate issues here. You can use the camera to take a picture and analyze on a separate studio display. The phone screen does not play a part here. And any defects with the screen should be discussed separately.
ffc for all phones are crap.
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If all FFCs are crap then how come the Sprint Galaxy S II is taking better pictures with the same camera hardware?
Second of all you need more precise test. Like see if Samsung and T-Mobile are using the Same screen manufacturer. You can see this by typing dsmeg. In terminal emulator.
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It is easy to sit back and point fingers at the data that somebody put a lot of effort to produce. It identifies problems in this device so that they can be fixed. Samsung, T-Mobile and much of user community of this phone are oblivious to these issues.
What you say here is irrelevant and absolutely does not matter. The question I set out to answer was:
"Does the front camera on T-Mobile Galaxy S II take better or worse pictures than Sprint Galaxy S II". I answered that with my research and shared the results with everybody else.
You are very welcome to run your own tests and share the results with us. Additionally if you are going to ask others to go on wild goose chases for you, perhaps you should attempt to meet them halfway. I am assuming that you have the same T-Mobile phone as I, you can parse the dmesg as well as anybody else. Tell us what screen we are using. And we'll go from there.
SuperCurio the developer for voodoo screen tuning said this himself. We are missing the MdNie chip for processing the screen due to the chipset switch. Meaning Hardware.We emulate the chip in our phones using the Qualcomm MDP. Like i said it may can be fixed by getting better emulation software and samsung reworking the drivers for optimization for the screen.
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And how did you connect mDNIe to the front facing camera? I am not saying that it is not relevant, but I am curious to know if you have any real information connecting the two or if you are spouting nonsense again.
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Wow, this is really eye-opening. I'm assuming you wiped off the lens on both phones before the tests? The T-Mobile one almost looks like it's shooting through a haze.
Also, has anyone done a comparison on the rear-facing cameras?
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All 4 phones were wiped clean. They are like new to begin with.
I do not know of any comparison performed on the rear facing camera with the Sprint phone. I might do that one day, if there is enough demand.
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I've done some video chat over Skype in the last few days and this has been the best front facing camera that I have ever used. People have noticed a much clearer and smoother image from the SGS2 FFC than from the 3 different PC webcams that I use. I don't know much about the Sprint version, but I've been very happy with ours.
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The camera on the phones is better than the 0.3 megapixel cameras on most netbooks and notebook computers. However performs poorly under low light and renders colors incorrectly. In some use cases (e.g. plenty of light) many users will not notice an issue. Specially when they have not seen the output of the equivalent camera on the Sprint phone.
In short, the camera produces decent output for a front facing camera. But it can be much much better!
And that is the goal here. To wake up Samsung.
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We are talking about two separate issues here. You can use the camera to take a picture and analyze on a separate studio display. The phone screen does not play a part here. And any defects with the screen should be discussed separately.
If all FFCs are crap then how come the Sprint Galaxy S II is taking better pictures with the same camera hardware?
It is easy to sit back and point fingers at the data that somebody put a lot of effort to produce. It identifies problems in this device so that they can be fixed. Samsung, T-Mobile and much of user community of this phone are oblivious to these issues.
What you say here is irrelevant and absolutely does not matter. The question I set out to answer was:
"Does the front camera on T-Mobile Galaxy S II take better or worse pictures than Sprint Galaxy S II". I answered that with my research and shared the results with everybody else.
You are very welcome to run your own tests and share the results with us. Additionally if you are going to ask others to go on wild goose chases for you, perhaps you should attempt to meet them halfway. I am assuming that you have the same T-Mobile phone as I, you can parse the dmesg as well as anybody else. Tell us what screen we are using. And we'll go from there.
And how did you connect mDNIe to the front facing camera? I am not saying that it is not relevant, but I am curious to know if you have any real information connecting the two or if you are spouting nonsense again.
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You seem mad. You should calm down. Let me explain it to you. A chipset switch means different devices . Qualcomm and exynos the camera rendering is different on each device. Exynos chipset and qualcomm chipset are different.
The phones are nothing alike except in name. Its like taking a amd processor and comparing it to an i7 the way they work is totally different. Have you looked at the source code. I don't think so because if you did you know we have most of our drivers largely reworked for our processor.
Very little in common with our other variants. A sprint galaxy s2 is closely related to the original galaxy s2. Because it has the same chipset as the galaxy s2. The source even has similar drivers.
The only way to fix it is to have Samsung A) rework the drivers to make it the best they can it they haven't already did that yet. or B) recall all products and switch out processors. Either one is probably most likely not going to happen. Telus did the right thing by naming it Samsung galaxy x2 because that what it is. It is not a galaxy s2 in performance or anything except in name.
DNie -DNIe offers better detail than conventional televisions by using four proprietary processes that optimize and enhance image quality and sound: a Motion Optimizer that is a noise processing technology used to eliminate blurring and noise in moving images; a Contrast Enhancer that offers rich details and image quality; a Detail Enhancer that automatically analyzes the picture signal and reproduces images that result in lifelike video; a Color Optimizer that analyzes the video signals being generated so that the quantities of reds, greens, and blues are calculated to provide natural, realistic colors. The M part stands for mobile.
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The phones are nothing alike except in name. Its like taking a amd processor and comparing it to an i7 the way they work is totally different. Have you looked at the source code. I don't think so because if you did you know we have most of our drivers reworked for our processor.
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The processors are different. We all understand that. But the camera hardware is the same and the display hardware is the same.
Going by your example, If I had two PCs, sitting side by side, one had an AMD processor and the other had an Intel one, but everything else, including the monitor and the Logitech webcam attached were the same. Would I be so wrong to complain if the Logitech camera on one PC produced pictures that were much worse?
I think the problem is in the software and T-Mobile / Samsung rushed a product out the door, that was not quite ready for release.
People who paid good money for this product, deserve better. In the meantime I will try to help them find these problems that they seem to have overlooked.
If you think these manufacturers do not overlook problems when they ship products, I point you to Samsung Vibrant and its GPS problems as an example.
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The processors are different. We all understand that. But the camera hardware is the same and the display hardware is the same.
Going by your example, If I had two PCs, sitting side by side, one had an AMD processor and the other had an Intel one, but everything else, including the monitor and the Logitech webcam attached were the same. Would I be so wrong to complain if the Logitech camera on one PC produced pictures that were much worse?
I think the problem is in the software and T-Mobile / Samsung rushed a product out the door, that was not quite ready for release.
People who paid good money for this product, deserve better. In the meantime I will try to help them find these problems that they seem to have overlooked.
If you think these manufacturers do not overlook problems when they ship products, I point you to Samsung Vibrant and its GPS problems as an example.
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That chip is a big problem for us because that causing everything to look bad. If we had lets say a super lcd screen. We have the drivers to calibrate it correctly. The Qualcomm chips have the correct drivers for it. As i see in most galaxy 2 we are missing the part where we can calibrate the screen are self. A setting under display.
I not a big fan of samsung but the qualcomm chip is much weaker than the chipset in exynos.So is the gpu. It maybe samsung couldn't sacrifice performance trying to emulate precisely. So be wary of what we get because the update might make the phones performance worst. If you compared it to the amaze 4g since they have similar chipsets. The amaze takes great pictures back and front. Since HTC has optimized their device sensors and such for the drivers.
You can't really compare two computers like you do phones. Phones different so much from each other. It's not even funny. More like cars if i get the fastest Cadillac with the most powerful engine and then buy a Cadillac with a different engine then expect them to have the same horsepower and performance. Besides computers have a good integration phones do not. Yes i do feel things were rushed though.
Keep in mind our drivers are largely different. The MDNie chip is largely where our problem is if you read about the Dnie: "DNIe generally improves images are made sharper with DNIe, contrast is improved, and color accuracy is enhanced in many ways.That was from Samsung site. We have a hacked emulated one. You should talk to Samsung through online chat to show them the issues on our devices. Because on the phone i got people who had no idea of the problem. After 20 minutes waiting.
I think the OP got a defective tmobile phone! either that or he works for sprint and he's trying to convince us that their SGS2 version is better so we should switch. I've compared my phone side by side with the sprint one and there's no difference on the screen whatsoever, I tried different angles, different brightness, etc. Our phones are actually faster in my experience!
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I think the OP got a defective tmobile phone! either that or he works for sprint and he's trying to convince us that their SGS2 version is better so we should switch. I've compared my phone side by side with the sprint one and there's no difference on the screen whatsoever, I tried different angles, different brightness, etc. Our phones are actually faster in my experience!
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1. I have been through 3 T-Mobile phones. They all show the same symptoms. And there are plenty of other people who were complaining about the displays before I decided to get a little more scientific about it.
2. I do not work for Sprint. Otherwise I would not be hosting the pictures on my own website. My motivation is that I want the problems fixed. Is that really that hard to understand?
3. Plenty of people have said that they have done the comparison. Some find issues, others do not. Those who do not, have not actually put up any data to support their claims. I suspect most of these people are testing/comparing under bright lights where the T-Mobile display and camera problems are less obvious.
I have noticed this, while comparing my phone with my friend's S2. Honestly the factory settings are junk. I usually, at minimum, change the ISO setting to 200, to get decent pictures. -.-
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I have noticed this, while comparing my phone with my friend's S2. Honestly the factory settings are junk. I usually, at minimum, change the ISO setting to 200, to get decent pictures. -.-
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You cannot change the ISO when using the front camera.
Anyway, the user visible settings in the test are the same. Including the ISO. This can be verified by looking at the EXIF data in the photos.
The pictures produced by the cameras with the same exact settings should be equal in quality. They are not in this case. T-Mobile phones produced noticeably lower quality pictures every time.
Hi guys,
I visited phoneareana.com. Recently there was a comparison among note 7, S 7 edge, iPhone 6s plus etc about picture taken by their respective cameras .. A very brief comparison.
After going through that, I don't know I found atleast S7 edge was better in shootouts.
Well I was having a plan to go for note7.and also I have one S7 edge.
But guys has anyone went through all pics? Mainly last sets shows quite a noise in note7..
Please help out.As I'm now bit confused about note7 camera pic quality!!!
Wasn't it confirmed that the Note 7 uses the same camera from the S7/Edge?
Think it's the same camera
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Exactly same camera as per hardware specifications revealed. But I believe there is bit of interface difference in the camera.
Well anyone please go through the pics( as I told before) posted in phoneareana.com.
That's why my question is : why such differences?
I was so much eager to have one note 7 along with my s7 edge. But camera!!!..
Guys need more info about its camera quality!!!
Imo it's too early to tell And just post a link to phone arena...
P.S. after watching this video I would say other wise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX33IddL4fw
I was in schipol Airport yesterday, they had a note 7 on display without the price. Just had the one. The sales guy like myself had an S7 edge we compared the camera in our phones to the new Note and immediately the new phone seemed much better and brighter with no adjustment on auto mode. I thought bar the HDR video the S7 had the same camera. Must say the S pen is hugely improved and you can actually write your name just like a proper biro.
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I'd love to share the link:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...d-with-GS7e-Note-5-and-iPhone-6s-Plus_id83799.
Guys u all can go through. Top of that I'll request all to go through last sets also. As there bit low light sections came up.
What a load of rubbish
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Well the pics given there ( mentioned in the link) ,mainly the ones taken near the "screen"...Note7 pic is creating some kind noise,if we see bit!!
Might be some different modes,or situation differences while the snap was being taken!but noise there !
But making me confused! Ahhh..wanted to buy that phone!!!
Well anyone help out with that☺..
That's the main drawback of an N3 now, for me. The rest of the phone still works great even in late 2017, but the camera really falls short of newer models.
How do you improve camera performance on your Note 3? (Not just changing quality from 95 to 100 or whatever, but the actual picture-taking ability, like focus speed and minimizing blur or taking better low-light pictures). Do you use a different app? Is there a combination of stock settings that works for you?
More observations:
The Note 2 had a particular low-light mode (Candlelight?) that slowed shutter speed and made low-light pictures much better. I haven't seen anything similar on the Note 3. Am I just missing something?
The Note 2 seemed to have more control over blur-vs.-brightness. I didn't care if pictures were dark as long as they were mostly sharp. Note 3 seems to prioritize brightness over freezing fast motion, no matter how I change ISO, low-light detection, stabilization, etc. How do you capture fast motion?
I've tried practically every N3 ROM with an S7/N7/S8/N8 camera app and can't find a single one that does tap-focus at the same speed as N4 camera apps. If you use the S/N 7/8 cameras and tap on the screen, there's half-to-full-second delay before it finishes focusing. I've tried this on a bunch of ROMs on several different N3 handsets. Same delay with S7/N7/S8/N8 cameras. I guess it doesn't matter if the above observations still apply, but I'm sharing in case anyone's had the same headache.
Note3 Camera Improvements
Improvements to the camera are ROM/Kernel dependent. -- And unless it's a well hidden ROM, I think I've at least kicked the tires on anything I could successfully install and run on my N900T.
Are you looking for 'just' a camera improvement, or do you include video in your search? -- I believe the newer DarkLord ROM's boast 60fps with the Note3. Although dated, there are still some pretty good youtube videos out there that talk about camera and vid firmware.
As far as focus speed, blur, low-light, etc. goes, are you using the original OS app? -- (Not a sales pitch) I've found that CameraFX does a far better job querying the camera2 api than anything else out there, Modded or not.
Well, it looks like I'm still not able to upload images, being too new or something. If you're interested, leave me a PM, and I'll figure out a way to get you a few screenshots and more information on the camera. The Note3 still rocks the planet, and although I understand the reasons why, It's still sad to see so many great dev teams leaving the Note3 for the newer models that are essentially just retreading what the Note3 offers for right at $200.00
Good luck!
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That's the main drawback of an N3 now, for me. The rest of the phone still works great even in late 2017, but the camera really falls short of newer models.
How do you improve camera performance on your Note 3? (Not just changing quality from 95 to 100 or whatever, but the actual picture-taking ability, like focus speed and minimizing blur or taking better low-light pictures). Do you use a different app? Is there a combination of stock settings that works for you?
More observations:
The Note 2 had a particular low-light mode (Candlelight?) that slowed shutter speed and made low-light pictures much better. I haven't seen anything similar on the Note 3. Am I just missing something?
The Note 2 seemed to have more control over blur-vs.-brightness. I didn't care if pictures were dark as long as they were mostly sharp. Note 3 seems to prioritize brightness over freezing fast motion, no matter how I change ISO, low-light detection, stabilization, etc. How do you capture fast motion?
I've tried practically every N3 ROM with an S7/N7/S8/N8 camera app and can't find a single one that does tap-focus at the same speed as N4 camera apps. If you use the S/N 7/8 cameras and tap on the screen, there's half-to-full-second delay before it finishes focusing. I've tried this on a bunch of ROMs on several different N3 handsets. Same delay with S7/N7/S8/N8 cameras. I guess it doesn't matter if the above observations still apply, but I'm sharing in case anyone's had the same headache.
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Improvements to the camera are ROM/Kernel dependent. -- And unless it's a well hidden ROM, I think I've at least kicked the tires on anything I could successfully install and run on my N900T.
Are you looking for 'just' a camera improvement, or do you include video in your search? -- I believe the newer DarkLord ROM's boast 60fps with the Note3. Although dated, there are still some pretty good youtube videos out there that talk about camera and vid firmware.
As far as focus speed, blur, low-light, etc. goes, are you using the original OS app? -- (Not a sales pitch) I've found that CameraFX does a far better job querying the camera2 api than anything else out there, Modded or not.
Well, it looks like I'm still not able to upload images, being too new or something. If you're interested, leave me a PM, and I'll figure out a way to get you a few screenshots and more information on the camera. The Note3 still rocks the planet, and although I understand the reasons why, It's still sad to see so many great dev teams leaving the Note3 for the newer models that are essentially just retreading what the Note3 offers for right at $200.00
Good luck!
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Many thanks, and agreed on every point!
Mainly seeking camera improvement, but video's a nice bonus! I'm pretty loyal to MagMa, but I might check out DarkLord.
I've read about CameraFX. Might have to fork over the few bucks and buy it if it's really worth it. I'm on the N4 camera app (S7/N7/etc. cameras on N3 have too long of a focus delay when you tap the screen to focus). N4 camera app's fine, but I'd just like some better all-around performance, and I swear the N3 has the power. Like you said, it's still a great performer in every measure. I know a camera can only be improved so much, but I figured the right app might make it sing more. I'll look into CameraFX. Thank you!
Hey Guys, Lets use this thread for India 8pro.
I am currently using Huawei P30 pro and planning to shift to OP8P, if the camera is at par with other flagship phones.
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- I doubt the camera will be on par with other top of the line flagships. Moreover the hype so far hasn't been on the camera - maybe it says something about its inferiority but that I'm just guessing only, for now.
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- I doubt the camera will be on par with other top of the line flagships. Moreover the hype so far hasn't been on the camera - maybe it says something about its inferiority but that I'm just guessing only, for now.
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Sony imx689 is one of the best sensors in mobile industry and if oppo can achieve excellent images from it then oneplus can surely oneup them becuase oneplus has always had better software algorithms compared to oppo although both have same parent company. You can find reviews of oppo find x2 pro anywhere on internet, it is basically same as oneplus 8 pro albiet some design changes and without periscopic zoom.
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Came across a leak stating the price of oneplus 8 pro at 6499 yuan. That converts to 68999/- really hope it doesnt cross 60k
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Sony imx689 is one of the best sensors in mobile industry and if oppo can achieve excellent images from it then oneplus can surely oneup them becuase oneplus has always had better software algorithms compared to oppo although both have same parent company. You can find reviews of oppo find x2 pro anywhere on internet, it is basically same as oneplus 8 pro albiet some design changes and without periscopic zoom.
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Well aware of those, it's just that based on the history of OnePlus @ overall camera performance and not so factual camera hype in the past, I'm curiously looking forward to the cameras than anything else, as the rest(excluding their recent trend of curves) never disappointed.
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Came across a leak stating the price of oneplus 8 pro at 6499 yuan. That converts to 68999/- really hope it doesnt cross 60k
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Cosidering official IP certification, wireless charging, hiked GST etc., 60K is less likely I think.
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Well aware of those, it's just that based on the history of OnePlus @ overall camera performance and not so factual camera hype in the past, I'm curiously looking forward to the cameras than anything else, as the rest(excluding their recent trend of curves) never disappointed.
Cosidering official IP certification, wireless charging, hiked GST etc., 60K is less likely I think.
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There are hyping the camera this time around. An example is here
https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/1247147094130987011?s=19
Its just that their core focus is keeping the same marketing strategy like in past and that is hyping the speed.
And yes you are right i can see them going north of 65k this time around.
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There are hyping the camera this time around. An example is here
https://twitter.com/oneplus/status/1247147094130987011?s=19
Its just that their core focus is keeping the same marketing strategy like in past and that is hyping the speed.
And yes you are right i can see them going north of 65k this time around.
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Even if they hype, my eyebrows still get raised @ OP's camera, especially bcoz of terms like "intelligent pixel technology" @ 5T, 111 DxO score of 7 Pro etc.. but then, this time around I expect them to offer something unquestionably stellar with those capable sensors.
Thankfully, the speed so far has been proven as real in every iteration and as long as the "speed hype" reflects across the board I don't mind it at all.
When will these go on actual sale in India?
What are your expectations for indian pricing?
I think the price for 8 pro 12/256 GB will be around 70k. Well, we will know in a few days. For the first time, I am genuinely interested in a oneplus device (have been using Samsung Galaxy for years). Thanks to Samsung going nuts with S20 series, I might actually end up buying the top spec 8 pro! Just waiting for an in depth camera review before jumping in though. I'm totally in, if the camera results are comparable to find X2 pro, which is better than s20 ultra and at least on par with p40 pro IMO wrt to camera.
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I think the price for 8 pro 12/256 GB will be around 70k. Well, we will know in a few days. For the first time, I am genuinely interested in a oneplus device (have been using Samsung Galaxy for years). Thanks to Samsung going nuts with S20 series, I might actually end up buying the top spec 8 pro! Just waiting for an in depth camera review before jumping in though. I'm totally in, if the camera results are comparable to find X2 pro, which is better than s20 ultra and at least on par with p40 pro IMO wrt to camera.
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......The camera setup is very good, requires precision in the software part it seems that OP will do like last year I believe.
In comparison to the X2 Pro, the zoom will not be on par as the 8 Pro lacks the 5x periscope.
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......The camera setup is very good, requires precision in the software part it seems that OP will do like last year I believe.
In comparison to the X2 Pro, the zoom will not be on par as the 8 Pro lacks the 5x periscope.
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I know. I won't miss the 5x periscope zoom though, as much as the lack of a 512 GB version (since my current phone is 512 GB S10+ exynos)! Inclusion of both above options would have made the 8 pro perfect IMO.
Looking at aggressive price in China and OnePlus India's tweet, it's probably safe to expect reasonably fair pricing in India as well.
India prices revealed
128gb = 55k
256gb= 60k
Excellent pricing
Dpk1 said:
I know. I won't miss the 5x periscope zoom though, as much as the lack of a 512 GB version (since my current phone is 512 GB S10+ exynos)! Inclusion of both above options would have made the 8 pro perfect IMO.
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I don't need that much storage in a phone, but I can completely understand many actually need it.
On the other hand, so far I've not been that happy with the cameras from a few aspects, especially looking at the chart toppers!
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India prices revealed
128gb = 55k
256gb= 60k
Excellent pricing
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Finely priced, this lower than Chinese pricing might be due to the fact that consumers will get their units pretty "late" this time around unlike all these years in their extremely important market..
Virgo_Guy said:
I don't need that much storage in a phone, but I can completely understand many actually need it.
On the other hand, so far I've not been that happy with the cameras from a few aspects, especially looking at the chart toppers!
Finely priced, this lower than Chinese pricing might be due to the fact that consumers will get their units pretty "late" this time around unlike all these years in their extremely important market..
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The pricing is very good indeed! The camera hardware (especially main and ultra wide) on the OP 8 pro is promising/flagship grade. I'm sure any existing issues/niggles can be fixed with future updates (white balance, night mode etc.) and apparently one plus is already on it as per this YouTube reviewer.
Dpk1 said:
The pricing is very good indeed! The camera hardware (especially main and ultra wide) on the OP 8 pro is promising/flagship grade. I'm sure any existing issues/niggles can be fixed with future updates (white balance, night mode etc.) and apparently one plus is already on it as per this YouTube reviewer.
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Existing niggles will be minimised through software, just like how OP did with 7Pro, not doubting on it.
However, my dis-satisfaction is based on lack of hardware elements upon which software can't do much :
- It doesn't have the Oppo Find X2/X2 Pro's faster f/1.7 aperture in the main cam.
- Front camera isn't as wide as the galaxies or a few others. Also, it has a smaller aperture in comparison to last year's OP7Pro.(f/2.5 vs f/2.0).
- The 5 MP "color filter camera" exists just for the namesake of "quad camera setup", it does depth sensing(?), but not a ToF one . To my eyes, it's for decoration, rather than any real benefit.
- Lack of periscope setup means lack of details on zoomed distant objects. Price is now in flagship territory in several regions.
Agree. I have a P30 pro and am looking to change my phone, was thinking of Oneplus 8 pro, but then it will be a downgrade in terms of camera, battery life, battery charging speed etc.
Anyone have any good suggestions which phone should i buy? (no xiaomi, vivo, oppo, mi)..
pratik_193 said:
Agree. I have a P30 pro and am looking to change my phone, was thinking of Oneplus 8 pro, but then it will be a downgrade in terms of camera, battery life, battery charging speed etc.
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In the camera section, mainly keeping the zooming and low light performances aside, the 8 pro's overall cam performances (with consecutive updates) wouldn't be at all, an inferior one to the P30 Pro I would say.
pratik_193 said:
Anyone have any good suggestions which phone should i buy? (no xiaomi, vivo, oppo, mi)..
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It's easy to suggest OP8Pro as it checks the most, right number of boxes amongst the rest available in the Android side at present..
Virgo_Guy said:
Existing niggles will be minimised through software, just like how OP did with 7Pro, not doubting on it.
However, my dis-satisfaction is based on lack of hardware elements upon which software can't do much :
- It doesn't have the Oppo Find X2/X2 Pro's faster f/1.7 aperture in the main cam.
- Front camera isn't as wide as the galaxies or a few others. Also, it has a smaller aperture in comparison to last year's OP7Pro.(f/2.5 vs f/2.0).
- The 5 MP "color filter camera" exists just for the namesake of "quad camera setup", it does depth sensing(?), but not a ToF one . To my eyes, it's for decoration, rather than any real benefit.
- Lack of periscope setup means lack of details on zoomed distant objects. Price is now in flagship territory in several regions.
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Yeah, let's wait for the detailed reviews to see the difference in camera quality between oppo and OP, although I think it will be similar for the main and ultra wide and front camera. Long range Zoom however shall be better in the oppo due to periscope 5x optical, but 2-3x will be better on the OP due to native 2-3x optical.
I agree, they should have given a periscope 5x or some useful camera/lens instead of that 5mp colour filter camera! I don't know how useful the TOF sensor is on other flagships, nevertheless it would have made more sense than the color filter imo.
Does OnePlus 8 and 8 pro have NAVIC support ?
hi,
I have Galaxy S20 Ultra since the pre-orders, Exynos 990 variant.
I am pissed of about the S20Ultra camera which is worse than even S20+ ..
I am planing to ditch it and get a S20+ (still Exynos variant due to EU constraints).
And I am getting all kind of review over the internet /youtube regarding which one is better and which one is not.
From what I understand 5G is almost not exiting as network and therefore 5G variant now is pointless. But the 5G phone hardware is still consuming battery, though..
So even if S20+ Exynos has 4500mha battery less than Ultra, it has only 4G and thinking better SoT /battery life to be..
P40 Pro lacks Google Play Services and even though you can install them, Google Photos not working and some notifications not showing.
And also from the past days seems that camera suffers from focus and blurry OIS..
So any suggestions and reviews are welcomed.
Thank you in advance.
stefanz08 said:
hi,
I have Galaxy S20 Ultra since the pre-orders, Exynos 990 variant.
I am pissed of about the S20Ultra camera which is worse than even S20+ ..
I am planing to ditch it and get a S20+ (still Exynos variant due to EU constraints).
And I am getting all kind of review over the internet /youtube regarding which one is better and which one is not.
From what I understand 5G is almost not exiting as network and therefore 5G variant now is pointless. But the 5G phone hardware is still consuming battery, though..
So even if S20+ Exynos has 4500mha battery less than Ultra, it has only 4G and thinking better SoT /battery life to be..
P40 Pro lacks Google Play Services and even though you can install them, Google Photos not working and some notifications not showing.
And also from the past days seems that camera suffers from focus and blurry OIS..
So any suggestions and reviews are welcomed.
Thank you in advance.
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Hi, the real question is : what do you want to do with your new phone that you can't do with your actual phone
filming for personal and business to be able to edit in final cut and take pictures for personal and business reasons at a proper quality.
oneplus 8 pro compared to s20ultra pictures at least were so sharp and clean.. and then i saw s20+ is better than oneplus 8 pro..
With the S20 ultra I find it hard at times to get proper focus on still objects, let alone moving objects or when taking videos. It's not hunting to focus, it's just not focusing on anything, just blurry until I tap on the screen a few times til it finally focuses. Doesn't happen all the time, but just enough that it's irritating. The S20+ may give you more consistent results.
chetly968 said:
With the S20 ultra I find it hard at times to get proper focus on still objects, let alone moving objects or when taking videos. It's not hunting to focus, it's just not focusing on anything, just blurry until I tap on the screen a few times til it finally focuses. Doesn't happen all the time, but just enough that it's irritating. The S20+ may give you more consistent results.
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i don't having issues like that with my ultra...
UNIK97122 said:
i don't having issues like that with my ultra...
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Great pictures, I can get those same results. But it's irritating that on my 3rd phone I still have situations where it just won't focus. A common issue that's been talked about everywhere. So at least I k ow I'm not the only one that has issues with this disaster of a camera.
chetly968 said:
Great pictures, I can get those same results. But it's irritating that on my 3rd phone I still have situations where it just won't focus. A common issue that's been talked about everywhere. So at least I k ow I'm not the only one that has issues with this disaster of a camera.
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it's looks the exynos version is better with focus, so far everything is perfect for me day or night 4K or 8K, as they say, my fingers crossed:la victoire:
To get 5G or not depends actually on your area and how frequent you travel or change phones.
If your area already has 5G, go ahead, get a 5G phone (If it is compatible. Samsung's 5G support seems to vary with region.. Some supports only low and mid-band waves, some mmwave... some both.. )
Even if your area already has 5G, the coverage may not be very good yet with gaps in coverage. when this occurs, the phone will drain your battery trying to search for 5G.
Personally, i would hold off getting a 5G phone until the roll out is stable enough with reasonable coverage. or just switch off 5G and use 4G.
Regarding the plus or ultra, it depends on you. If you need the zoom capabilities, get the ultra. But take note, due to the physical camera lens limitation on the s20+ and ultra, at certain zoom levels the s20+ can take better photos.
To make it easier to understand, from the camera app there will be 3 icons (well at least for the S20+). these icons represent each len. For the s20+, it is the wide angle, main, and telephoto zoom lens. Using these 3 selection will give u the best image. If you pinch your finger on the screen (to zoom in further), you are using the digital zoom, which in most cases, doesnt yield the best photo.
the S20+ zoom lens is more suited to casual shoots. the S20 Ultra telephoto zoom is a bit unusual for casual shooting. most of the time you will be using the zoom range of the S20+ telephoto lens, thus for casual photo taking folks, the S20+ usually yield better result than the S20 Ultra.
S20+ works great, no issues with focus etc - highly recommend as user myself
I have the S20+5G Exynos and have no issues what so ever. I highly recommend getting it. I have been a Samsung user from the start.
Import the Snapdragon model if you can. Exynos and Snapdragon have different image processing and from what I've read, the general consensus is the Snapdragon image processing is better overall. Furthermore, battery life is better on Snapdragon, so Snapdragon would be a win-win for you.