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at&t 8525 - just got it, now what should i do

i just got a 8525 through work. i basically have full reign of what i can do with the thing, so i'm looking for things to do with it. i'm running mobile 6, and basically have a clean slate right now.
** note, i still have to have access to exchange sync, and have a 2gb microsd card in it.
any ideas on what to do...?
--eric

Welcome to xda! Here's lot's & lot's of good stuff & reading to get some ideas:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325748

Personally, I'd recommend leaving it alone for a week or two to see what it does, learn how to use it, and become friends with it.
After that, I'd make a list of the things you'd LIKE to see it do that it cannot, out-of-the-box. Some of this will more than likely be software you'll either buy, or find "free" versions of.
As you get the "bought" software, I'd make a list (a text file) on the device, to store the names, version numbers, and software keys for ... you'll be needing these as you reinstall the software after hard-resets, ROM flashes (if that's in your future), and other possible things (you might experiment with alternative software, for example, and wnat to revert back).
I would definitely recommend NOT paying for any software until after you've played with it a while, and seen if it's compatible with other software you wish to use. Most apps come with a trial period, so this is totally legal and ethical.
After you've seen what you can do with the device, and add-on apps, you might wish to start tweaking the other things ... the ROM, for instance, to see if you can find one that gives better performance, more storage space (if you think you need it), etc.
I wouldn't dive into this unless you know what you're doing. That's what this forum is for. I also suggest not to do it unless you have a real need to. No sense in possibly breaking something that isn't already "broken". I believe you'll find the device can already do quite a bit, all by itself.
If you DO decide to experiment with the more intricate workings, be sure to read up on everything before you mess with it. Read, read, READ. A lot of folks here have been using these devices for several years. Search for the answers to any questions before posting new ones here. Chances are GREAT that it's already been answered several times before.
I guess that's about all the advice I can offer. Good luck, and have a great time with your new toy.
-pvs
ps: Be sure you really have that "free reign". I am pretty sure there would be repurcussions if you go back to work needing a new device in a couple of weeks, and the warranty is quashed because you did something that invalidated it.

Kin Two / Kin Two"M"

Hey guys hows it going? Doin good? Great. Good news for ya
So I have a mac with the Kin Media Sync.
I also have info.plist files that "tells" the computer what do do with the phone. Hmph. I'm Achieving success so far with this phone but no work will be done til after my exams which is in two weeks. I've managed to get the phone into a "writeable" state but no leaks or how to's will be said. My reasoning is because this is my work and I will only release on how to do it if it is successful. I remember just this sunday, I got my message inbox to pop up while still using the camera. That was a surprise to me because I didn't think it was possible. I really want to get this phone hacked for my benefits as well as others. If you want part of what I'm doing and want to help since no one besides @johnkussiack is helping, then go ahead, instructions are below. I promise you guys I will get this done. This week is a no go for me because my Great Grandpa just passed away. :/
So if you guys have any comments/questions, I will be on for the remainder of the day. Since I have the data plan on my Kin, and any of you have questions, shoot an email to [email protected] and I will answer any questions or concerns you may have.
ALSO, if you are LEGIT and are going to help, I will think about sending you a file on how to do what I am doing. But as for now, programming for this week is a no-go. Sorry guys

So how much of the phone have you been able to write to or read from? Can you see the native file system, or just the Zune media area, where the music, pictures, videos, etc are stored?
On my phone, as I've pointed out before, I have the contact file from the Verizon store. It's stored on the media area, but I have been unable to retrieve it using either Windows or Mac. If you know how to pull it off, feel free to provide some information on how to do so, and I'll see if I can retrieve it so we can play with it and possibly get contacts to/from the phone.

Although i'm glad, as far as i know, info.plist files are just references for finder to know the folder/apps info easier. What explains hardware issues to mac are "kext" files.
I am interested in what you got, although i can't define an uncertain "writable" status. Things are writable or not (even if only 1 bit is written).
Anyway, there's still a week or so till my "dev" device comes to test this, so i can wait for your next one.

Forget the above, i received my packet today. New toy in my hands.. goodie goodie

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Forget the above, i received my packet today. New toy in my hands.. goodie goodie
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Awesome, man!

Like I said on facebook you need the share what your doing with users that want to hack the phone jsut as much as you do. There are plenty of people here that have some knowledge also such an Kussak that you can share with where he can help.
I like what your doing but dont disregard the help others could possibly offer when you dnont have the time. Thanks.
I love my KIN but I am tired as hell of this crappy OS we have. If we can get a new OS which the phone is already the best feature phone already. This phone could be unstoppable but the Crap OS we have now hurts it bad.

Okay John, want to team up and see what we can get out of this phone? I'm willing to take it to it's limits.

[Q] [Introduction] from a noob....

Hello, I recently purchased a Kin TwoM from Verizon. After about two weeks of owning the phone I became very curious of how to add/delete, and change stuff on the phone. After quickly realizing that this is either impossible or extremely hard, I decided to investigate like I'm sure most of you did. I'm very familiar with hacking and developing. I stumbled across this forum today while investigating for stuff i didn't know. So as a noob, I was hoping there would be some kind members willing to give some information, on whats been so far released and discovered. I've found a couple things that appear to be already known (like the key combos to downgrade/ secret menu) but so far that's about all I know about this phone. So is anyone willing to fill me in?
Thanks..

Hi Aaron,
Take no offense at this, but all the information you are looking for is already in the other posts in this forum subcategory. Please be willing to take the time to read all the posts in this KIN Two Software Development section, as there are only a few pages of them. You'll find the button combinations and details and findings on the secret menu.
Also, JohnKussack put a lot of work into developing a cross-platform file manager for the Kin, called KinO. It works pretty well and even lets you back up and restore your contacts, with limitations.
Aside from these, that's about as far as anyone has gotten. I know for myself, I've spent a lot of time trying to gain access to the file system, but Microsoft finally outdid itself on securing a device from any hacks or exploits. The irony is that I happen to own it and want that access.

Hacking WP7 - any REAL beginner guides?

Hi
I'm pretty sure this hasn't been covered off already - well - not to the level of detail I need anyway.
I came to the xda forums after a friend of mine suggested that there were hacks available.
It's clear that 'something' is available, but what I am not finding is:
A) A SIMPLE guide that shows us people totally new to phone 'hacking' how to do it, from start to finish, with minimal lingo and acronyms.
B) An clear and simple explanation on the different 'hacking' options available
C) The reason you would want to do it? From what I can see, the only benefit seems to be a few pointless homebrew apps that you can download - and for the risk involved...why would you chance it?
Don't get me wrong, tinkering in itself is the reason you would want to do it - it's fun - but I can't help thinking that the WP7 side of 'hacking' doesn't offer much reward.
Would really appreciate any advice/help/links with my questions.
Thanks

Did not know whether to bother answering or not but okay. First welcome to XDA, uhhh in easy laymens terms hacking is not for the inexperienced and it is not totally idiot proof so you should have some fair knowledge of the systems and what they do. Don't hack if you need a kindergarten book to explain it all out for ya simple as that. WP is closer too iOS than Android main point being it is the most secure as far as I personally care of the 3, and the system is just as smooth and fluid as iOS. No there are not alot of Homebrew available at the moment, but if you happen to have a phone able to be fully unlocked then you have the option to use many functions that were not available before.
Device specific is where you should such that search block is your best friend, nobody here is going to write a full guide to the whole forum section for every single new hack and crack that comes out. If you want to you are more than welcome.

Thanks pal
I'm ok with the concepts of hacking, just not specifically this OS.
I'm technically minded and do a lot of similar stuff elsewhere, but when it comes to the phone that I use daily, and comntracted for another 12 months with and have no experience with tinkering WP7 - Im slightly more nervous.
I guess my main issue was the d&h forum for WP7. Every sticky/thread is far too long and they all contain a lot of acryonyms that a new WP7 hacker wouldn't understand. So my forum instinct is to look for the sticky that says "start here - everything explained" - but there isn't one?!
It's almost like "where do people start if there is no starting point"?

As far as covering a good amount of info, this post is a good one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299134
Don't really think there is a way to avoid all the jargon though, if there is something that isn't explained well it should be simple to find information to fill in the gaps. The terms used are very specific to the environment, so anything returned in a search would probably be relevant.
The most common homebrew option is Interop Unlock, Samsung models of phone are the easiest to unlock. This allows you to use native code that has not been wrapped in a tidy c# class.
The benefit of all this is that your phone is a full fledged computer that by default is locked down like an appliance. Developing additional homebrew apps allow you to get further phone customization out of your device, and therefore the most value out of your purchase.

I for myself thought about unlocking my device considering the risks involve. but I weighed the consequences. Thus, I end up now, having a fully unlocked HTC 7 Mozart with a custom rom. I am happier with my device now, I can do BT transfers, explore the folders within my device, install more applications than the usual apps/games from the marketplace, and tweak my device. One more thing, when my device was still running on stock rom, battery life is shorter, now I have 1.5x the battery life.
MY CONCLUSION: unlock your device's potential
as for the guides, yes it is not really like spoon feeding, but contents of the guides/tutorials are somehow progressive. one can learn from them, so that on the next development, we can do the "hacking" easier since we understood how the process goes. This is why it is called development. Cheers!

before i can give you advice on what hack that you can use, what is the name your device that way there are more specific hacks that we can talk about.

Hi
Thanks for the helpful replies.
I have a HTC Trophy. I'm doing the SD card upgrade next week to start with, so I can finally put all my music on it, so thought i'd look at hacking it at the same time.
Cheers
Sent from my 7 Trophy using Board Express

look at the HTC part of this guide, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963

lovenokia said:
look at the HTC part of this guide, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271963
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Looks like a good guide but how am I meant to know if I have a first or second gen phone....there's no definitive list?! And I can't remember what updates I have.
This is a nightmare - I'll give it a miss

check your processor, as far as i know, if your phone has 1.5GHz then it's a gen2, otherwise, it's just gen1

Let me at least give the "legitimate" talk about unlocking your phone:
For $99/year, sign up for a developers account with Microsoft (create.msdn.com). You can unlock up to 3 separate devices officially for app development. Then you can build and deploy all kinds of .xaps to your phone. To top it off, you can get the betas and early OS upgrades (had Mango almost 6 months before my friend got it from his vendor). Ultimately, you can even release your own apps to the marketplace for sale or for free.
sounds like, since this is a phone you use every day, this might be an investment worth considering. Its an easy and legitimate way for someone not too experienced with the phone's innards to get it unlocked and get exposed to how things work. Plus if you back up your phone vefore you unlock it, and something goes wrong, you haven't done anything thats voided a warranty. If the OS crashes, try returning to the "pre-unlocked" backup and bring it back to the store saying it crashed. They'll replace it. Nice deal, considering most Windows phones run around $500 to replace.
Now as for unlocking it via other means: maybe you dont want to sell apps. Maybe you dont really want to give microsoft a credit card for $100 every year. Maybe you want to just do more than a developer unlock will get you - like load a whole new aspect of the operating system. Or maybe you just dont want to pay to unlock your phone. Understandable, i suppose (though for MOST people, a developer unlock is more than sufficient). There are options, but they will require a lot of time and investigation (maybe even translation) to get it right, because the WP7 is new. The devices are many - its not like having a single hardware baseline to crack - like the iPhone. And to throw another monkey in the wrench, they did a full-fledged update to the OS not 6 months ago. So - no - not a a lot of "beginners" guides out there. Even for experienced people, an unofficial unlock is still a tricky feat. Take a look at the number of posts that have to do with phones randomly "re-locking" themsleves. Hell, I'm a legit developer and my phone "re-locked" itself last night. (turns out MS has a "lease" on deve unlocks that you need to physically update every year by un-registering and re-registering the device)
hope this was informative and helps.

I found exactly the same problem. Today I saw this post in the HTC Titan forum which helped me understand all the different unlocks that you hear mentioned on the web.
Hope this helped

long term but relatively novice member

People, I just returned to the Samsung "fold" after a hiatus of several years. It's a Note 10+ 5G, with T-Mobile. While the improvement from my previous LG (AT&T) phone and experience is absolute (T-Mobile has turned out to be a wonderful surprise), what I was really hoping for was, among other things, the flexibility of rooting which I had with all of my previous Samsung phones. In fact, I had come to almost rely on rooting for some very simple reasons: to keep Google, Samsung and whatever other providers of hardware and software from becoming my life's "partners" within my phone! A simple example is Google's need to know my bodily functions, my contacts and my schedule even though all of that is well handled by other, non-Google systems. If I choose not to share my life with Google, the phone continues to function as required. But it (and Samsung, for that matter) keeps trying. I am reasonably proficient with ADB and use the work arounds with some success but it is annoying. Again, I am not out to subvert any system; I simply don't want to share my life with the hardware and software providers, at least, no more than is needed. My phone is unlocked. Is there any hope of getting root for the non-exynos version of this phone?

EBRJR said:
People, I just returned to the Samsung "fold" after a hiatus of several years. It's a Note 10+ 5G, with T-Mobile. While the improvement from my previous LG (AT&T) phone and experience is absolute (T-Mobile has turned out to be a wonderful surprise), what I was really hoping for was, among other things, the flexibility of rooting which I had with all of my previous Samsung phones. In fact, I had come to almost rely on rooting for some very simple reasons: to keep Google, Samsung and whatever other providers of hardware and software from becoming my life's "partners" within my phone! A simple example is Google's need to know my bodily functions, my contacts and my schedule even though all of that is well handled by other, non-Google systems. If I choose not to share my life with Google, the phone continues to function as required. But it (and Samsung, for that matter) keeps trying. I am reasonably proficient with ADB and use the work arounds with some success but it is annoying. Again, I am not out to subvert any system; I simply don't want to share my life with the hardware and software providers, at least, no more than is needed. My phone is unlocked. Is there any hope of getting root for the non-exynos version of this phone?
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Taking the time you look on the forum would have answered your question. One thread in particular has a pretty active discussion (including from one rather knowledgeable person).
The summary of the whole "if this phone will have root" is basically this.. Samsung got it's act together with this phone. Will root be possible... Someday maybe, but not anytime soon.

scottusa2008 said:
Taking the time you look on the forum would have answered your question. One thread in particular has a pretty active discussion (including from one rather knowledgeable person).
The summary of the whole "if this phone will have root" is basically this.. Samsung got it's act together with this phone. Will root be possible... Someday maybe, but not anytime soon.
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I appreciate the admonishment about "taking the time" and I actually considered that I had. Unfortunately, my limited reading here and elsewhere resulted in the same conclusion that you reached, minus the aspirational portion! I guess I was hoping that, indeed, my reviews were truly insufficient and missing some obvious and positive answer.
Well, I got my answer! Much appreciated.