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Mugen 4500mAH Battery with Extended Back Cover
TL;DR VERSION
Pros:
Really effing works
Good build quality with good materials (except for kickstand plastic)
Thoughtful kickstand on included battery cover
Well-known and respected manufacturer
Cons:
Expensive
Heavy and bulky
No matter how well-designed, it still makes the Note look ridiculous
Bottom Line:
It's a good buy. You own a Note, so you're likely not one to be too particular about fancy looks, unlike all the iPhone fans who jeered the phone/tablet/phonelet/tablone just after seeing the one Superbowl ad. It may be pricey, but you get what you pay for; I've read horror stories about cheap Chinese batteries that would make you think twice about trying them out.
LONG VERSION
This will probably be my first and only useful post on XDA for a while, as I'm not yet very well versed in rooting or installing ROMs or any of the fancy programmer stuff the forum is well associated with. I'm more of a hardware and accessories guy, which is why things like batteries, cases and car mounts all interest me more than having the most bleeding-edge firmware updates.
That said, this isn't going to be a professional review in the style of Engadget or Anandtech, with their fancy charts and pinpoint accurate usage statistics. First of all I don't have the means to do this, let alone the time. Secondly, that stuff isn't important to me; I'm just a guy who wants more battery life out of his Galaxy Note, nevermind the to-the-second timestamps of usage statistics with varying settings and applications applied. (Also I just really don't have the time!)
On to the (laymen's) review.
Phone specs
I'm not sure if this really matters all that much when reviewing battery life, but for those nitpick-y enough to care, here it is (basically, it's all stock):
Samsong Galaxy Note GTN-7000
Brightness Setting: Auto
WiFi: Always On
3G: Always On
Android Version: 2.3.6
Baseband Version: N7000DXKL2
Kernel Version: 2.6.35.7-N7000DXLA1-CL886914 [email protected] #2
Build Number: GINGERBREAD.DXLA1
Functionality
I'm a heavy user. I also use my phone a lot. Sometimes it's not even to play a game or open an app, or even to see if anything new is in the notifications bar. I just really want to see the screen on, because man oh man is the display on this phone the stuff of wet dreams!
On the stock battery I get about 14 hours of life. It's not bad, but there's a caveat; when it starts getting low, I stop using my phone except for the most crucial of SMS/calling needs. I don't turn off WiFi/3G/background apps, no. I just stop using the Note. This is why I almost NEVER unplug the phone. In fact, for more hours of the day my Note is plugged in to one charger or another: on the daily commute, it's in my car mount; at work, I borrowed the office's Blackberry Playbook wall charger (nobody uses it anyway (oh snap)); at home, it's either on the included AC USB adapter or plugged into my laptop for charging all night long. The only time it's usually unplugged is when I'm walking, out shopping/watching movies at the mall, or at a friend's place; basically, whenever I'm not in the car, at work, or at home.
On the Mugen battery, for purposes of this review, I managed just shy of 22.5 hours (the screenshots below end after 21h56m38s, but it kept going until around 9:30am). I made it a point to not plug in to any source of power during the usage period (duh). I went all out, not holding back any punches, with WiFi and 3G always on, Trillian and Google+ running constantly in the background, and racing to finish "A Storm of Swords" on the Kindle app. This is my usual usage, and I decided to throw in some 30-odd minutes of gaming, about two hours of video, and even some Google Hangout time.
I fell asleep at midnight that night and woke up at 6:00am, allowing about 6.5 hours of off-screen standby time.
Now, let it be clear that no matter what apps or services you have running in the background, the real battery killer on this phone (and I'd imagine any smartphone) is the display. I always keep the brightness setting on Auto because a big part of the experience satisfaction for me is looking at my phone, and I really don't want to have to feel like I have cataracts when I glance at the screen. On the Battery Usage screen, Display always hovers around the 50% mark for me. It only ever gets passed by Android OS when I really don't want to look at my phone, usually during times of extreme hunger or loneliness.
Given that, I'd say 16 hours with an almost constantly-on screen and 6.5 hours standby is not bad at all. And for 22.5 hours of my life, I was completely unburdened by the necessity of a source of charging. Free at last!
Aesthetics & Ergonomics
Free to look like a total bozo. It's bad enough that, for non-headset users, we have to hold a 5.3" slab of plastic and aluminum to our faces when making a call. The feeling is amplified by it suddenly becoming twice as thick as it usually is.
But we're not iPhonerds so we don't care, right?
Well, we care a little bit. You'll notice your phone doesn't lay flat on the table anymore. It looks like it floats because of the tapered design of the back cover, but that's less cool than it sounds because you know it's only floating due to its large butt. Yes, the extended case comes with a kickstand, but when you're actually using it is the only time you'll be thankful for its largeness. Worst of all, if you've already purchased accessories and car mounts for your Note, you'll find that all of a sudden none of them are compatible with your expensive phone.
On the plus side, the extra thickness does make it seem like it's easier to hold. The scale design on the back cover is not only classy but adds extra grip to it as well, and the tabs seem to snap into the grooves even more securely than the stock backplate.
Bottom Line
It's a good buy. You own a Samsung Galaxy Note, so you're likely not one to be too particular about fancy looks, unlike all the iPhone fans who jeered the phone/tablet/phonelet/tablone just after seeing the one Superbowl ad. It may be pricey, but you get what you pay for; I've read horror stories about cheap Chinese batteries that would make you think twice about trying them out.
hey bro shall we compare mugen 4500mah vs hyperion 5000mah battery??
if yes please tell me what settings ur using
like display brightness
LWP
edge/2g/3g
etc
Nice review! Still considering the hyperion battery though since I'm trying to save some money but will definitely look into getting the Mugen for long term
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Nice work. Coming from the official HTC HD2 extended battery I'm not afraid of adding extra bulk to the note. However, seeing that Mugen created cases for other phone + battery combos I'm waiting for them to do that for the Note before I pull the trigger.
Hey thanks for the feedback, guys! I'm glad it helped you in some small way.
In just received word from a Mugen representative that they're going to release an upgraded version of this battery: 5400mAh! He didn't say anything on pricing but I'm assuming it's still the same at 99USD. We'll be setting the official announcement tomorrow.
sankeerths said:
hey bro shall we compare mugen 4500mah vs hyperion 5000mah battery??
if yes please tell me what settings ur using
like display brightness
LWP
edge/2g/3g
etc
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Sure, sankeerths! My usual settings are:
Brightness: auto (but for accuracy of comparison, I'll set it to 100%)
Stock ROM, kernel, everything
3g always on
Wifi always on
the following apps are almost always on:
Onanvo
Trillian
Google+
I don't use juicedefender or other battery-saving apps.
Which is the new thickness of the note with the mugen battery?
jp.esteban said:
they're going to release an upgraded version of this battery: 5400mAh! He didn't say anything on pricing but I'm assuming it's still the same at 99USD. We'll be setting the official announcement tomorrow.
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WOOOOO!!!!!
pepeto2001 said:
Which is the new thickness of the note with the mugen battery?
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I don't have a good caliper to measure this. I have a crappy one that measures the stock thickness of the phone as 11mm (that's a lot more than the 9.65mm you can research online). With the Mugen case, it measures a hefty 21mm.
Please note that my caliper is not precise or accurate, but it's all I have at the moment and it still gives the fair approximate observation that the battery case will just about double the phone's thickness.
I actually contacted mugen if a trade in is possible. Damn I bought the 4500mah at ard USD 109, and now with higher capacity and lessser price? I feel real bad about it. haha
Hey guys, i have just read that MUGEN is upgrading the 4500mAh [HLI-N7000XL] battery to 5400mAh starting yesterday according to mugen facebook, will be able for ordering from 20th of april or something. They are claiming it to be the same size same shell only with even bigger capacity.(i guess the price will remain the same also, no idea)
Meanwhile the review of 4500mAh version in PICTURES, for those who is interested about the size:
http://www.techpinas.com/2012/02/increase-battery-life-of-samsung-galaxy.html
Is there a case which is compatible with the Mugen bulky back? I have the battery but would like to protect my phone somehow.
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iStep83 said:
Is there a case which is compatible with the Mugen bulky back? I have the battery but would like to protect my phone somehow.
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I've ordered one from ebay.....awaiting receipt and can then add pics.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110857335270?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2382wt_1139
on a different note, is it just me or is it a malfunctioning battery as my mugen 4500 mAH is not goving me anything like what the reveiws say, wondering if i shoudl contact them about it.
and i feel ripped off too as i recieved my battery last week and now they have this new one out with a 1000mHA extra !
So as it seems the underlying issue was all in these batteries of note7 and the aggressive design of the phone chassis itself - leaving little to no gaps for battery, probably not enough space for battery front and back either so batteries easily got squashed inside of the super-slim factor phone design chassis while wearing phone in tight pocket like situations and due to the fragile nature of the battery it just got affected, damaged and caught on fire like explained in latest samsung reports.
Here is the deal, I will get equivalent original samsung battery from S7Edge model etc, same 3600mAh capacity (providing the thickness is same or less than that of Note7) and with necessary modification (if applicable) to the battery terminal flex connector so it clips right in to the Note7 PCB just like original Note7 battery did, I think this should be excellent workaround for dangerous Note7 batteries!
I of course would try to perform various tests before final assembly of the phone with new battery mod in it, such as full discharge and recharge, also recharge while heavily loading phone with benchmarks, and also attempt multiple fast charging routines monitor how phone behaves with the new battery, that is - all these tests are to be done on phone fully disassembled in the worst case scenario if phone battery still would get caught on fire during the testing I would at least salvage the phone from disaster that otherwise would be inevitable when testing phone fully assembled.
Your thoughts?
I would say you should give it a go. But isn't the S7 battery bigger ? How about trying to go with the S7 non edge battery instead ? Plus I thought that some battery were not soldered properly and made a short circuit to happen ?
Source I read : https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-7-return-exchange-faq/
Im yet to find out about the battery dimensions/size. while s7edge appears ~1mm thinner to my observation makes me think battery design should be similar or lesser in thickness and I really expect it to be no taller/wider but that is to be confirmed later when I take it apart(if it comes to that).
If batteries do fit, all I need to do is to unwrap the shield of the note7 battery where PCB is soldered to +/- terminals and replace battery connection pcb the same way back to s7e battery.
I think s7e battery would be the best candidate as for 3600mah capacity vs 3500mah note7 capacity, even if phone some way tries to charge this battery further than 3500mah as per physical capacity of the battery it should be "safe" I think.
Where if the battery installed would be ~3000mah etc, note7 battery terminal PCB chip would probably try to achieve 3500mah capacity and charge may again result in innevitable fatality, that is unless note7 battery pcb chip registers battery capacity 3000mah as wear and tear and adopts to charge only to 3000mah without actually overcharging it.
Had some hobby experience playing with iphone 4 4s 5s batteries in the past where I would swap around pcbs with batteries and phone would work, not ideal because I didnt pay much attention which went where but it did work to great extent.
I too see that the defects ratio was not definite and more so it was one in many many thousands that had bad soldering or manufacturing practice etc missing protective layers and so on, as I observe my note7 battery is always very cold never hot even cooler than that of s7 edge so I think analogy goes to be correct, but still I rather not take much chance with it if you know where Im going with this - "WHAT IF..."
Mr.Ultimate said:
Im yet to find out about the battery dimensions/size. while s7edge appears ~1mm thinner to my observation makes me think battery design should be similar or lesser in thickness and I really expect it to be no taller/wider but that is to be confirmed later when I take it apart(if it comes to that).
If batteries do fit, all I need to do is to unwrap the shield of the note7 battery where PCB is soldered to +/- terminals and replace battery connection pcb the same way back to s7e battery.
I think s7e battery would be the best candidate as for 3600mah capacity vs 3500mah note7 capacity, even if phone some way tries to charge this battery further than 3500mah as per physical capacity of the battery it should be "safe" I think.
Where if the battery installed would be ~3000mah etc, note7 battery terminal PCB chip would probably try to achieve 3500mah capacity and charge may again result in innevitable fatality, that is unless note7 battery pcb chip registers battery capacity 3000mah as wear and tear and adopts to charge only to 3000mah without actually overcharging it.
Had some hobby experience playing with iphone 4 4s 5s batteries in the past where I would swap around pcbs with batteries and phone would work, not ideal because I didnt pay much attention which went where but it did work to great extent.
I too see that the defects ratio was not definite and more so it was one in many many thousands that had bad soldering or manufacturing practice etc missing protective layers and so on, as I observe my note7 battery is always very cold never hot even cooler than that of s7 edge so I think analogy goes to be correct, but still I rather not take much chance with it if you know where Im going with this - "WHAT IF..."
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So basically no chance eh?
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So basically no chance eh?
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Well, whatsup with that straight "face to the wall" so well thought trough pessimistic comment?
Do you not have life to live meantime?
It seems as if the flex cables are different and the note 7 battery is narrower.
I'm disappointed there hasn't been an aftermarket manufacturer that has created a "safe" battery replacement yet.
I'm using a Verizon Note 7 that I reflashed with AT&T firmware. Since the IMEI is not an AT&T IMEI, I haven't had to worry about "green battery" or "killswitch" updates coming to the phone. Still worried daily that my house will burn down or something, however.
I think no company will provide an aftermarket battery because the market is very small. That eventually would happen if Samsung refurbished all Note7's and reintroduced them in the market. Mine (have 2) are working flawlessly without any issues
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Im not certain about sizes yet, it could be alot due to optical ilusion, as s7e and n7 are little different layout, etc - battery in the s7e is seated little further to the left (meaning more toward the center of the phone) and the camera on s7e at least to me from the first glance when compared to n7 looks more further to the right side which creates illusion of s7 battery to be wider because of its positioning. I may be completely wrong, just wanted to throw that in there though.
Also, battery from note4, S5 can potentially be used too, of course its core would need to be stripped and de-soldered from the old PCB and after that you have a naked battery pack that is still permanently safely sealed with two (positive and negative) terminals exposed ready for soldering with original note7 battery PCB and connection, providing we get enough room inside battery compartment. it all can be utilized, and even more, maybe note5, maybe s6 s6edge s6edge+ s7 and other similar sized samsung batteries of recent production years have similar measures that will make it a good potential donor? I'd say even if one can find battery of similar but not larger in size and capacity battery from any other manufacturer it should also work by the same methods of DIY, of course obviously acknowledging that the use of quick/fast-charge can be detrimental suicidal step in a way of charging the phone after any such DIY, even if it was samsung approved battery, fast charge is a fast-lane of premature battery wear/overheat and failure, such as explosions.
Here is my observations, I own few of these Note7. I have never ever once used fast charging on them knowing what it does and how it physically affects batteries, never ever had I used it on my note5 s6 s6e or s7e, I rather have my phone charge longer rather than let battery prematurely wear out sooner, and nobody knows what if S6 S7 batteries undergo the same quality testing like note7 batteries did and it was just a great matter of luck to a slight degree that not so many s6 s7's had exploded in the past due to quick charge technology used. Of course, alot of what I said is speculation, but just take that for a minute and let it sink in, think about it. Its certain - not everything that ever happens is publicized.
Ok, according to my research (call it bro-science) as it was internet based on official reported measurements of devices, I picked some stripped down samsung phones (notes and S series), adjusted these pics to represent real manufacturer reported dimensions in photoshop and measured batteries in the pictures. So far I can give rough estimates and the best to my knowledge these measures may not represent exact measures of the batteries but actual measures should be less or equal than what I have figured out. Only thing left to question is the thickness of the batteries:
We have here a patient, in a name of: Note7, this battery measures 99mm x 38.5mm
Other models I have looked at were:
S7edge 96mm x 41mm ( @MrBaltazar > you were correct regarding battery size there, its too wide )
S7 88mm x 37.5mm (looks like ideal candidate for now, especially providing extra headroom for DIY work on the top of the battery which may not come out as neat as from manufacturer)
S6 99.5mm x 46mm (too tall & too wide)
Note5 108mm x 42mm (too tall & too wide)
Note4 93mm x 39mm x 5.5mm(also seems like an ideal candidate plus its 220mah more in capacity vs S7 3000mah battery)
S7 Active 91mm x 40mm (this would be interesting @ 4000mAh ... I just am almost certain - thickness of this battery got to be greater than note7 or note4/s7 candidate battery... a strong guess)
I feel note4 may be real good choice if S7 battery thickness is more than that of Note7, and note4 battery turns out to be slimmer or the same thickness after being stripped as Note7 battery ... especially after removing the top plastic trim that holds gold plated battery terminals with battery pcb and unwrapping first layer of label with NFC antena, that should shave off additional ~0.2-0.5mm from the whole 5.5mm note4 battery thickness.
So thats that, some food for thought
Alright first off,
HOLY ****ING ****
Second off,
That's amazing
Third off,
**** you ;P
Keep up the good work mate! If you can find a system you can replicate let me know, I would LOVE to try it.
Im sure it will all work well, keep an eye out here, this actually drives me somewhat to do this. Most interesting is testing under load once all is done.
I was thinking more, and I believe S7 3000mAh battery is the best choice regardless of anything (unless S7 Active battery magically fits just the same, but its unlikely given its huge capacity it must be much thicker, but I am not sure 100% yet anyway). S7 and Note7 is of the same period/same production line, so if anything it should work the best, even with quick/fast charge when needed, as I thought today it still would be a very good feature to use if one is stuck in an emergency situation such as airport and needs a quick sufficient charge in short time - if fast charge works well - its there to use, otherwise I would still be against using it every-time, for longevity of course.
another interesting trick would be to remove Note7 battery and have it X-Rayed to see if any dangers are underlying like those explained by samsung, should be visible under high-res x-ray imaging, but I dont have access to that(yet) so I will still keep the note7 battery cell for a while until maybe I get access to such equipment.
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Ok, according to my research (call it bro-science) as it was internet based on official reported measurements of devices, I picked some stripped down samsung phones (notes and S series), adjusted these pics to represent real manufacturer reported dimensions in photoshop and measured batteries in the pictures. So far I can give rough estimates and the best to my knowledge these measures may not represent exact measures of the batteries but actual measures should be less or equal than what I have figured out. Only thing left to question is the thickness of the batteries:
We have here a patient, in a name of: Note7, this battery measures 99mm x 38.5mm
Other models I have looked at were:
S7edge 96mm x 41mm ( @MrBaltazar > you were correct regarding battery size there, its too wide )
S7 88mm x 37.5mm (looks like ideal candidate for now, especially providing extra headroom for DIY work on the top of the battery which may not come out as neat as from manufacturer)
S6 99.5mm x 46mm (too tall & too wide)
Note5 108mm x 42mm (too tall & too wide)
Note4 93mm x 39mm x 5.5mm(also seems like an ideal candidate plus its 220mah more in capacity vs S7 3000mah battery)
S7 Active 91mm x 40mm (this would be interesting @ 4000mAh ... I just am almost certain - thickness of this battery got to be greater than note7 or note4/s7 candidate battery... a strong guess)
I feel note4 may be real good choice if S7 battery thickness is more than that of Note7, and note4 battery turns out to be slimmer or the same thickness after being stripped as Note7 battery ... especially after removing the top plastic trim that holds gold plated battery terminals with battery pcb and unwrapping first layer of label with NFC antena, that should shave off additional ~0.2-0.5mm from the whole 5.5mm note4 battery thickness.
So thats that, some food for thought
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Sounds like the Note 4 battery might be the ticket. I'd be willing to try this out if I knew how to attach the note 7 flex cable to the note 4 battery, as well as disassemble both batteries.
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Im sure it will all work well, keep an eye out here, this actually drives me somewhat to do this. Most interesting is testing under load once all is done.
I was thinking more, and I believe S7 3000mAh battery is the best choice regardless of anything (unless S7 Active battery magically fits just the same, but its unlikely given its huge capacity it must be much thicker, but I am not sure 100% yet anyway). S7 and Note7 is of the same period/same production line, so if anything it should work the best, even with quick/fast charge when needed, as I thought today it still would be a very good feature to use if one is stuck in an emergency situation such as airport and needs a quick sufficient charge in short time - if fast charge works well - its there to use, otherwise I would still be against using it every-time, for longevity of course.
another interesting trick would be to remove Note7 battery and have it X-Rayed to see if any dangers are underlying like those explained by samsung, should be visible under high-res x-ray imaging, but I dont have access to that(yet) so I will still keep the note7 battery cell for a while until maybe I get access to such equipment.
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Please keep us informed on your endeavors into battery exploration.
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I am actually almost tempted to order a s7 battery and see if the connection is the same on the note 7 PCB. Then it's just a matter of bending the flex cable into place
Connectors all look identical for S6 Note5 S7 S7E , what worries me most I think the most is its the way pinouts can vary on them model to model, as I remember there's not only Positive/negative terminals , look here:
other connections are also important, and most important that it is not going to get connected in reverse which I dont want to even try, thats too precious loss if I fry anything on note7 pcb, try go and get another one of those note7 pcb's nowadays ahaha, let alone note7's !
So, all in all we can try and measure terminal voltages on both Note7 vs S7 and compare how it looks on multimeter, then try position it accordingly and expect it to be straight fit, then if all works well and flex is actually long enough - solution is found, no need anything to solder I suppose just plug in, bend flex a lil bit where necesary, making sure no sharp edges are exposed to the bent flex, no excessive pressure applied on bent flex cable before/after assembly, and for most part that the battery is right thickness and not squished in there, then its all green-lights and good to go, but just by the visuals it looks that note 7 has somewhat longer flex, and oposite facing angle, look here:
S7:
Note7:
I did not realize it would be this difficult to find authentic original non-replica s7 battery... lots places sell those but if one has half functioning brain its clear as day these are non-original... However, I did find some note4 original in samsung retail packaging and all papers batteries, which I think rather go with, which is almost local too vs. importing another second best from China/Hong Kong... so that's that... My only hopes in buying note4 battery, if its truly original and new unused not charged unabused piece is that if it will still actually hold 3000+ mah capacity off the shelf ... hope it will. I mean after all it would be dormant for 2~3 years or more, and batteries do get old and sometimes just prematurely die also...
Will keep you posted
Night
Updates...
So far I was very unlucky sourcing S7 battery which is my personal preference option due to this battery being most "up to date" tech variant available that should logically fit vs. the second best choice - a Note4 battery...
Also my donor Note7 is due in tomorrow as best case scenario, or latest Monday-Tuesday the 19'th-20'th of February, and I just dont feel like burning 30bucks on battery that probably does not fit by its thickness... (talking about note4 battery) , so I really want to take apart this note7 first and inspect the thickness of its original battery and the depth of the phone. What I mean in detail by that - please review this in-depth detailed report:
https://www.instrumental.ai/blog/2016/12/beyond-the-teardown-galaxy-note-7
^^^ That is allegedly a note7 illustrated right there, this gives me hopes as if I stripped plastic and NFC chip from note4 battery I should end up with just about 5mm of thickness of the naked without NCF chip and w/o labels battery. However, I need to look harder about the S7 battery thickness as my eyesight would be strongly concentrated toward that if it was of the same thickness or even better if it was just under 5mm, but I am not sure...
I also contemplated maybe even retrofitting apple iphone 6/6s or 7 battery providing it fits by its dimension and voltage measures (yea just pulled it from thin air havent measured or researched yet) , but at least talking about voltages should be bout right and capacity may be close to that of S7...
Otherwise I was even thinking removing NFC/Wireless charging mechanisms from the enclosure so the excess pressure from battery wear and tear does not build up on either old original or new replacement retrofit batteries, give or take there has to be ~10% headroom for battery expansion which was really not thought trough in note7's (or if it was there was general battery design fault that was underestimated and exaggerated expectations from engineers who designed battery had failed them prematurely...)
I have meantime located S6 battery which is way too big and it by no means going to be fitted there but I have another few tests in mind until I get my properly fitting battery alternative, just to rule out some questions and variables...
I think Chinese market fellows are up to some news regards note 7 because just lately I have noticed increase spike of note 7 cases and accessories at least on ebay, it just spiked my curiosity, what are the plans of samsung for the remaining 3+million note7's that they got back from the recall, are they by slight chance gonna push Note7S with note8 and S8 release? what are the chances of that happening?
Also I was deeply considering how would note4 battery be of a worse technology build vs S7 battery, knowing everyone who I know had note4 in the past almost every single one of them batteries had expended and died out rather soon within first year or so... I am just very cautious about this happening prematurely while retrofitted in note7 ... where as with S7 as many people I know using them and it has been about a year now of heavy use and abuse including those using quick-charge, batteries still perform ok and not swelling which is more promising when compared to note4 battery.
As lucky as I can get just by doing online hunt, I found one seller on aliexpress selling copy replacement batteries where he claims battery measurements to be ~88mm x 40mm x 5mm, and here we are talking about non original battery that is rated @ 3300mah as per sellers web page , out of which I feel it is reasonable to believe that it holds quality ~2000mah capacity knowing how all these generic batteries are made... it is real hard to find genuine battery, unless if I want to wait 60 days, I can order from China... hard hard decision on waiting vs the availability. I really am leaning forward just straight S7 battery swap with best hopes of longevity , but the quest now is to get exact measurements and fast delivery.
PS: Anybody reading this has new original battery for S7 (SM-G930 / G9300)who can ship it over to me or measure it precisely X * Y * Z ?
Thanks
I Tried Note 5 battery. Its bigger in terms of Length and width. As mentioned before flex cable is different and male/female end of connectors have been interchanged.
Out of desperation disassembled old battery and took the battery circuit out. Soldered Nokia BL-4C 3.7 V 840mah battery. Voltage of battery at full charge ~4.1V. Charging stops at 100%. I was thinking of installing something like old rom to limit charge to 60%. I will be installing wireless charging battery for the battery backup.
Its quite fun to play with it.
http://ca.crackberry.com/samsung-wireless-charging-backpack/4A123A24419.htm
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I Tried Note 5 battery. Its bigger in terms of Length and width. As mentioned before flex cable is different and male/female end of connectors have been interchanged.
Out of desperation disassembled old battery and took the battery circuit out. Soldered Nokia BL-4C 3.7 V 840mah battery. Voltage of battery at full charge ~4.1V. Charging stops at 100%. I was thinking of installing something like old rom to limit charge to 60%. I will be installing wireless charging battery for the battery backup.
Its quite fun to play with it.
http://ca.crackberry.com/samsung-wireless-charging-backpack/4A123A24419.htm
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Nice post, looks like you did not strip nokia battery from the nokia battery charging PCB so it literally goes two ways. I may be wrong but I believe I am not, when battery wears out on original samsung battery combination, lets say samsung s7 battery was used and abused and from 3000mah drops to ~1700mah real usable capacity, the charging chip adjusts accordingly to the current usable capacity and stops charging when receives signaling from the battery that it no longer increases in the charge capacity. Hope Im putting it out right so you can understand, I believe if you use note7 charging pcb chip on stripped nokia 800mah battery it should literally accept 800mah as total max capacity and record this "100% equivalent" memory record in to its circuit (dont know if its one way memory write though , because as if you were to add 3000mah s7 battery on the later date, the N7 battery charging pcb chip may decide only charge it to 800mah due to previous record of capacity created when 800mah battery was used...)
Its complicated I know... but thats what I would do. Otherwise, two nokia batteries if stripped could be coupled parallel (if it fits well) and you therefore have 1600mah battery) which is rather usable for at least ~ half a day off the power cable
I was also thinking about note7 wireless battery charger mod, I dont know whats inside of that battery back pack, but if there is enough space to store two S7 or S7edge batteries, that would be amazing DIY mod that would deliver ~9000-10000mah of raw juice coupled with S7 battery already installed in the N7 frame.
For most I hope tha note7 battery charging chip does not have memory recording feature on its own, so we can play with random batteries for as long as we find one working the best, as otherwise if it does have such effect - its sad news, as once you install less than 3000mah S7 battery for testing etc, you can never use 3000mah brand new batery to its full capacity, but I am only speculating here for the most part untill its tried.
While on this note - would you have another of the same type nokia battery to connect in parallel (doubling the capacity) to see if it still charges to 100% on indicator and last ~twice as long after this mod?
PS: I think time to time n7 backpack battery cases appear online on ebay for lots cheaper, worth a search there too
Also, the charging indicator @100% is fine and well, and setting limitation of charge to 60% in settings would result in 60% of currently measured capacity which I believe is pretty pointless as that was the aim of samsung safety/prevention methods, knowing batteries usually failed while in higher charge state - they tend to swell more and tight fitment inside the n7 prevents expansion therefore battery will be softly pushing against itself while theres a risk of failure at that shorting within itself due to built up inner pressure, thats why the limiting to 80% then 60% then 30% was put in place so batteries does not reach high charge state there fore does not expand as much within itself and the risks are greatly reduced, that's how I understand samsungs point of view on the issue.
Let me know what do you think
now that looks interesting ... https://www.xda-developers.com/repo...rbished-galaxy-note-7-with-a-smaller-battery/
replacing old chassis with thicker one to accommodate 3200mah battery? oh samsung
Mr.Ultimate said:
now that looks interesting ... https://www.xda-developers.com/repo...rbished-galaxy-note-7-with-a-smaller-battery/
replacing old chassis with thicker one to accommodate 3200mah battery? oh samsung
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Please please please let me know if you have any success. And if so, please send me a link to a battery I can buy (S7) so I can attempt this too
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Please please please let me know if you have any success. And if so, please send me a link to a battery I can buy (S7) so I can attempt this too
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Hey I was just typing a reply to this thread and have seen you reply to it before I clicked [Submit Reply] ...
Ok, so Im in a "triangle" situation here right now... yes I had more of them note7 on hand but now... I have only two coral blue note 7's, one is new and unused but still it is unsealed box unmodified/unupdated unit which works perfect and charges to a 100% battery etc which I intend to keep this way for later on selling it for a profit probably to some enthusiast collectioner guy...and another coral blue note7 is as good as new but it is used for few weeks by the first owner and it had this deadly update from samsung that prevented it from charging, so I have fixed this and now it is charging while still on its latest firmware and I am willing to play a little more with its firmware and so on until I decide to sell it too ... yeah I cant explain, I just enjoy reaching for some "goals", hitting them hard and then letting them go for someone else to enjoy while myself moving on, maybe weird, I know., but stay with me here for a moment. So I was thinking long and hard, and I am unable to justify splitting open my last firmware-fixed note7 that I was so anticipating on doing so ... that waterproof seal from factory means alot to me, I'd rather keep it on the phone for as long as I can, unless that would be inevitable, as I originally imagined the last note7 unit with disabled battery charging would require me to split it open to do at least battery charging up outside the phone just to get it ON so I could work on it trying to patch firmware and do some battery experiments further while Im at it, but as you may know I managed to fix it without opening it... and I few days ago (again...) I ordered myself another one of these bad boys Note7's, but this time its for real guys, its a cheap live demo unit (LDU), it should have no IMEI/no GSM radio chip and otherwise to be identical to retail units, so this is the model I will be stripping apart, most definitely, promise. Meanwhile I am really seriously thinking about learning on rom modding so I can build at least one or few fresh Note7 rom's for folks that are still out there holding on tight and giving all the love and care for their old note7's. The only one real reason is holding me back from keeping and using one of two note7 straight away and modifying it for self use is that I cannot get my hands on any dual sim note7 model (SM-N9300 or SM-N930FD), which I adore to death, literally... as my daily driver of a phone is S7edgde DUOS at the moment and it is a life saver not needing me to carry two phones everywhere I go, and any of note7's I had would make me do just that, use 2nd phone which is really not ideal at all... however dilemma in my mind goes to expect me to finally modify and use one of the two blue note7's if I will not be able to sell it for minimal no-loss profit, but for now I do not the plan on using any of them for daily use, hence my reasoning on waiting till I get Note7 LDU some time next week and give it all my tech-modifying love so I can break the IP68 water sealed back loose, probably crack it or scratch it and not be bothered about the rough love and abuse because Im about to give it, as this LDU has no such value as any of other retail units that I have... hope you's understand where Im coming from and are patient enough not to cross me over yet and wait a little more for my experiments on battery mods.
On another thought, since samsung-pay will not work and I am not sure if android pay will have any use with such heavily modified note7, I was really thinking taking out NFC/Wireless charging modules from the inside of the back of note7 to get more headroom for battery swap, plus if opportunity allows, I may as well split the chassis from the LCD screen later (if its feasible option) and measure the firewall thickness between the amoled screen and battery, see how much more I could machine off of that firewall while keeping some minimal amount of it still there for screen protection purposes, just a thought in an open wild triggered by the last samsung report regarding refurbed note7's which will receive thicker chassis, which may be ~2mm extra in thickness etc...
As the title suggest, its possible to put Note 8 battery in our beloved Note 7 the capacity is a bit smaller (200 mah less, but still 100 mah more than what gimped Note FE version sports) . Its inspired by similar thread by Mr.Ultimate, he did some testing and modification with s7 battery.
I did some research for compatible batteries:
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got my hands on some batteries, so I can post some dimensions (width, cos its the most important one and capacity), so far those are the ones who are not compatible (I got original ones, fake and copies can and most of the time will be a a different size):
s6 46mm 2550 mah
s6 edge 44mm 2600 mah
s6 edge+ 44mm 3000 mah
s7 edge 42mm 3600 mah
s7 Active 40mm 4000 mah
s8 40mm 3000 mah
s8+ 46mm 3500 mah
note edge 40,6mm 3000 mah
note4 41.4mm 3200 mah
note5 42mm 3000 mah
so far only these are compatible:
s7 39mm 3000 mah
note8 39mm 3300 mah
but still there are about 1 mm of width needed (original battery is almost less than 38mm) so you have to either take the tape off the battery and fold its sides or better remove that frame part between battery and motherboard, so because of the size, I did the mechanical modification and put Note 8 battery in my Note 7.
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Manufacturers codes for Samsung S7 battery is GH43-04574C, for Note 8 its GH82-15090A, its just a shame they used much wider batteries in S8, S9 and plus models, but they might use narrower battery in upcoming Note 9, so upgrading and getting bigger battery might not be out of question
As far as I could tell the Note 8 battery is the most promising for its size and device line (still Samsung Note series, just newer) so maybe better compatibility too and so I went with it
For everyone who would like to repeat this process, of course first you need to open your phone. You can look at ifixit.com note7 teardown or youtube for how to open it up and general guidance before you try anything, especially if its your first time opening a glued phone.
You need to remove at least the motherboard and the old battery for this modification (better yet, to remove all the components - easier to clean after), then you have to cut that frame part colored in red between battery and motherboard, cos original S7 or Note 8 battery is a tiny bit wider and removing that part gives fit just enough space to either one. You can use the dremel or any other similar tool to grind it off (I don't recommend cutting it, cos it might stress the frame too much and break the screen, but its just my preference). Then I used some black paint to mask exposed parts like here and here (for a closer look), optional, but I think its safer that way.
Now then new battery can fit comfy inside, had to bend the flex cable for reference, cos there enough space, also the new battery already comes with its own adhesive strips, if you get a diff battery, you can buy some 3M adhesive or similar double sided tape. What's left now is to remove the controller from the new battery and solder on the controller from the old battery.
Because batteries don't like heat the best bet would be to use spot welder, like they do in factories, but that's a bit on the expensive side (unless you do other electronics projects and happen to have one or made DIY one and even then the size of the tabs would be challenge too). So more realistic option would be to use soldering iron and some solder with flux, but because battery tabs are aluminum just any soldering flux won't work, because solder just wont stick properly and wont make permanent connection, which can add some resistance or even make a loose connection over time. So you must use specific soldering flux which eats into battery tabs and makes perfect connection. I tried few generic flux types I had on hand and basically ruined the endings of the tabs cos the solder just wouldn't stick to it, so I got some cheap zinc flux from local shop and it worked perfectly even using the same solder. After that you can use isopropyl alcohol to remove the remaining flux off the tabs, just don't short the battery.
Some pointers:
Try to get original battery, fake or low quality crap from ebay wont cut it, not only because of lower capacity (there are no chinesium batteries who can beat Samsung in battery capacity in same size, period) but because of quick charging too (you shouldn't risk fixing Samsung fire hazard with your own DIY hazard).
MUST use battery controller from original battery, using other controller can and will produce some problems, the controller itself doesn't measure capacity, only voltage, so diff capacity doesn't matter, but diff controller wont "talk" with the phone properly, only using Note 7 controller the phone can charge from 0 to 100% and give full incremental readings and battery charging application actually see the right capacity (about 3300 mahs in Note 8 battery case).
Solder the old Note 7 battery controller directly to new battery tabs, using wires, extensions, etc could add some resistance to connection and you won't get correct battery readings or end up with crappy or slower charging or worse.
I did tried using Note 8 battery without Note 7 controller, even had to make some DIY connectors. The Note 8 battery connector is the same as the one on Note 7 motherboard so even not taking into account different flex cable length and form, you cant just psychically plug Note 8 battery to Note 7 motherboard. So I took some connectors from dead Samsung S6 motherboards and frankensteined them to flex cable and with some wires I got this and this, thus I could use new the battery without any disassembly or soldering directly (to the battery) just by plugin it with DIY inter connector. It looked all good and tidy inside, that outlined area is there the old flex cable was routed (for reference then closing the phone), but it didn't worked properly, I got crappy indication when charging/discharging, the phone couldn't properly detect exact percentage when charging, like, it could sit on 5% for half an hour, when jumps straight to about 80%, or go gradually to about 30-35 and jump to about 70-80 and just sit there and if rebooted it would go to 99% and so on. Also the official wireless battery cover didn't worked properly too.
As for software side I did jumped for a few weeks through diff roms to find the best one for me (Marshmallow based ones works great, but for some you need diff kernel because of charging cap, while Nougat roms are newer, but can be less stable, lack iris support and official covers, that you can get really cheaply, doesn't work too). So I ended up using original Note 7 Marshmallow rom (the one with 30% charging cap) and hydra kernel version 1.3.5, had to extract this version from hydra rom , cos you can separately download only 1.3 version (from here), recovery twrp 3.1, rooted with SuperSU 2.82 and with Europe Multi-CSC selection from CSC Selection. Of course I still get that nagging notification every time I charge the phone, but its a small nuisance. Also removed some bloatware with No Bloat Free app to make it snappier.
So far it works great for me as everyday driver. I charge the the phone on average every two days, it takes less than two hours on average to charge (I try not to use fast charging much) and its holding about same or even better than my old rooted Note 4 (n910c) with new battery. SOT is great (like more than half a day on wifi playing youtube, ect), (SOT time, usage, by apps. After using the phone for a few months I get average charging/discharging and usage time like this). Of course the system or other apps won't detect the exact capacity because they take the capacity from the model information not from measurements, so because the model is n930f, the system reports original hard coded Note 7 capacity of 3500 mah, but because I used BuildProp Editor app to change the model to n935f other apps shows 3200 mah (like it should for Note FE model), while only battery measuring apps like AccuBattery report actual 3300 mah (estimated capacity is measured, designed capacity can be changed manually, by default it would show 3200 mah) capacity.
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Perfect, you are amazing man
I liked your ridh illustration i already do modification with s7 battery and thing good
But i found that charging speed is low however im using original charger and cable so
what do you think the problem is ??
And do you think that note 8 battery is far better than s7 battery ??
Thanks in advance
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Perfect, you are amazing man
I liked your ridh illustration i already do modification with s7 battery and thing good
But i found that charging speed is low however im using original charger and cable so
what do you think the problem is ??
And do you think that note 8 battery is far better than s7 battery ??
Thanks in advance
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glad to hear somebody founds it interesting and that there are more note7 fans
your slow charging speed could be from using low quality battery, most batteries you can find on ebay are fake ones (crappy charging circuit or lower quality and lower capacity or both), also depends on the rom and especially on the kernel you using, i found the hydra kernel being the best with charging speeds. As for note8 battery, its better mostly because its newer and bigger in capacity compared to s7 (3000 vs 3300 mah) and because of the almost identical price i could get them so because if you use real original s7 or note8 battery you have to modify the internal frame for either one to fit why not go with bigger one
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glad to hear somebody founds it interesting and that there are more note7 fans
as for your slow charging speed it could be from using low audibility battery, most batteries you can find on like eBay are fake ones (crappy charging circuit or lower quality and lower capacity battery cell or both), also depends on the rom and especially on the kernel you using, i found the hydra kernel still being best with charging speeds
note8 battery is better mostly because its newer and bigger in size (3000 vs 3300 mah) also because of the almost identical price i could them and because if you use real original s7 or note8 battery you have to modify the internal frame for either one to fit so why not go with bigger one
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Im using original s7 battery i assembly it from an original s7.
Regarding to charge speed i tried (Note FE ROM) and (Hydra rom), charge speed still the same
Do you think that problem related to quality of soldering paste !!
BTW you saved my ass when you mentioned note 8 battery
i was about buying new note FE battery with 92 $ ,, and now i can buy original note 8 battery with 24 $
Anyway i atill want a tip how to make note 8 battery thiner without do modification to Note 7 frame ??
•Do you have any idea ?
+•How much time your phone takes to full charge ?
Asem123456 said:
Im using original s7 battery i assembly it from an original s7.
Regarding to charge speed i tried (Note FE ROM) and (Hydra rom), charge speed still the same
Do you think that problem related to quality of soldering paste !!
BTW you saved my ass when you mentioned note 8 battery
i was about buying new note FE battery with 92 $ ,, and now i can buy original note 8 battery with 24 $
Anyway i atill want a tip how to make note 8 battery thiner without do modification to Note 7 frame ??
•Do you have any idea ?
+•How much time your phone takes to full charge ?
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soldering shouldn't make a big diff, basically if its works you probably soldered it correctly, otherwise you would have some fire on your hands as for note8 battery its thin enough, if you mean width, then you could try to wiggle it in, i didn't took a chance and made a modification, cos even if you manage to put it in inside it would be way more crammed than the original battery was, so a bit dangerous, as for charging, mine takes less than two hours (i try not to use fast charging much)
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I've got my brand new Note 7 blocked by Samsung for almost 6 months, and change battery for the S7 version and Hydra Rom.
So far everything, I mean everything is working perfect! Iris, fingerprint, cameras, great sound and was able to install any app that I need so far. S-pen works great and if I charge 100% during the night (mobile data and wifi off, phone on) here's my day for test proposal:
7.00 am disconnect from mains and start wifi until 12:00 (several apps running, facebook , whatsapp, viber, phone calls and sms among others)
12:00 until 15:00 out of office mobile data on, wifi off.
15:00 until 19:00 wifi
19:00 until 00:00 wifi at home, games, facebook and whatever...
00:00 mobile data off, wifi off, phone on, don't charge.
7:00 same routine.
At 11:30, 12:00 it's at 10% battery.
So with the S7 battery on my Note 7 and Hydra I can get at least 20 hours regular use and 14 hours in standby.
I'm very pleased with this solution, I'm not an Adroid Update Maniac so this solution appears to be perfect to me.
Some help over here
How did you make that diy connector? Can u please make a more explained thread. Thanks in advance!
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I'm from romania so i was not expecting to find something original to be found online in my area. So i look up on american sites, but i still couldn't manage to find one thats actually original.
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you looking for a part number GH82-15090A, it likely gonna cost you at least 20 euros, you could try ordering from some suppliers in europe like https://www.replacebase.co.uk/for-samsung-galaxy-note-8-replacement-battery-eb-bn950abe-3000mah-oem/ or https://www.samparts.eu/en/Samsung-GH82-15090A, or https://www.sparessamsung.com/gb/ba...5090a.html?search_query=GH82-15090A&results=1
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How did you make that diy connector? Can u please make a more explained thread. Thanks in advance!
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i used some random flex cable i had laying around and a few matching connectors salvaged from dead motherboards, but as i pointed out i did that before resoldering old battery controller on the new battery and using that connector proved to be no good cos it didn't charged well and showed inaccurate capacity, etc., so i wouldn't recommend going that way
I don't have the note 7 battery controller
Someone had been using it ever since it got released, and 2 weeks ago his battery got bigger and had to remove it. He threw it all away. He gave the note 7 without the battery, thinking I could play around with it. Soy only chance of making this phone work again is if I use a note 8 battery.
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Someone had been using it ever since it got released, and 2 weeks ago his battery got bigger and had to remove it. He threw it all away. He gave the note 7 without the battery, thinking I could play around with it. Soy only chance of making this phone work again is if I use a note 8 battery.
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you could try searching on ebay or other sites then to find a fake or used battery, cos using diff battery with diff controller will yield various problems, like not charging properly, reporting inaccurate capacity (so it would shut down randomly) and so on
Some help over here
I have found a dude how sells authentic note 7 batteries for 50€, is it worth it? Long story short, I need a note 7 controller.
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I have found a dude how sells authentic note 7 batteries for 50€, is it worth it? Long story short, I need a note 7 controller.
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those are hard to come by, so its completely up to you
Thank you for your instruction.
What about the batteries thickness? Isn't Note8 or S7 batteries are more thick than Note7 case?
And I wonder if it's possible to use S9 or Note9 batteries now. Can someone tell?
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Thank you for your instruction.
What about the batteries thickness? Isn't Note8 or S7 batteries are more thick than Note7 case?
And I wonder if it's possible to use S9 or Note9 batteries now. Can someone tell?
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Note8 or S7 OEM batteries are the same thickness as note7 (aftermarket chinesium ones can differ though), as for s9 or note9 batteries, those are considerably bigger in size, like shorter but much wider and so not usable in note7
Why are the Note FE batteries so hard to come by?
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Why are the Note FE batteries so hard to come by?
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well, any legit supplier had to pull out any note 7 batteries from being sold and note fe simply wasn't released as widely as note 7 or any other galaxy series phone, so most suppliers don't even have any parts for it, including batteries
Does anyone have any direct experience (not hearsay) or a link to anyone who has actually done actual testing on any replacement batteries.
Ideally, something like what Richard Lloyd has done on youtube to test 18650 batteries.
*** As we can use the google machine, please refrain from links saying "this battery sucks" or "this is the best ever!". Reviews on amazon, ebay, aliexpress and others can be bought for pennies.
It would be great to see someone doing math and using electrical measurements, not what an app reports. ***
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So, two-ish years later and my unlocked HTC 10's battery is starting to go.
I'm using the latest build of Leedroid's rom and no, it is not the rom.
I have replaced batteries in the past and feel like I should give it a shot even though HTC made it a b*tch to change.
Why I'm asking: I changed the battery on a past phone and it worked pretty well for 6-ish months. Then, it exploded and cracked the lcd and g glass screen.
So, trying to avoid that.
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Facts (as I understand them):
We cannot get a real / genuine HTC 10 battery.
HTC does not sell them.
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Does anyone have any experience with the replacement batteries that are for sale on Aliexpress?
Part number: B2PS6100
Brands (stickers?):
Cameron Sino 3000mAh
HSABAT 4300mAh
Ciszean 3000mAh
LOSONCOER 4300mAh
XINBONG 4000mAh
Dxqioo 3000mah
etc....
What buyer did you get your best / working battery from? Details please!
Has anyone ever gotten a reading of more than 3000mah that lasts?
I've read on oneplus forums that many replacement batteries often only provide ~80% of the real battery when new and fully charged (mAh).
Many have concluded that batteries that fail their inspection process are not properly recycled and are being re-branded and sold under new names / stickers.
Comments welcome, hopefully my caveats at the beginning didn't scare off everyone.
Thanks in advance!
Mine is also 18 months old and looking for some alternatives . Hope somebody gonna help us.
I've done mine got it from repairbase.co.uk but haven't done any tests on it other than what an app called acubattery which estimates it's capacity as 2868. I've never fully charged it got it set to only go to 75% in the hope that it'll last longer than the original.
Ref the actual swap it wasn't that bad,
I heated the screen on a microwaved wheat bag
used some suction cup pliers to lift the screen
Cut the glue with a guitar pick
Made a simple diagram on a bit of cardboard to stick the screws in.
I took all the tape off completely stored on a bit of greaseproof paper and was really careful with the screen ribbon.
I replaced my own battery.
I replaced my own battery. I bought it off of ebay from a seller in the US. My phone used to have random boot loops now that no longer happens.
It was difficult. Heating the display and pulling off is a problem. I actually broke my display and severed my ribbon cable for the sim. I replaced those parts and battery change was successful. Now the only issue is the adhesive is not sticking that great. Nothing that affects anything. I just see how the screen slightly gives just a little bit. I do not recommend the double stick tape. Get the special glue!!! Something with a 7000 in the name.
I will be reheating a gluing it in the future. I dread working on this phone. Although I am not a professional I think I did a pretty good job. Other phones are much easier to repair.
I DID NOT notice a super improvement in battery life. My new battery was now back to "Ok" battery life instead of terrible no more bootloops at 20% or when camera is open. There is a problem with the HTC 10 with the cpu using to much, along with wakelocks and wifi. I really wish HTC would address these issues.
I installed LEEDROID have not switched kernal yet. I have getting over 4hours and 30 minutes of on screen time. If I change the kernel and throttle the cpu I may be able to get a little more. The goal is 5 hours.
I am NOT an EXPERT. I am a smart individual through trial and error that can figure many things out. I like to get the most out of my technology I'm not ready to get a new phone. My phone is primarily used for Audiobooks, Youtube, web browsing, texting.
i wanted to replace my battery... but after watching this video i've lost all my motivation ^^
as soon as my battery starts to crash at low percentage i'll take another look at it ^^
Anything labeled as such is most likely a Chinese fraud or an actual HTC 10 battery that failed their internal inspection process.
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Oh.... and i always tought these batteries are from the same manufacturer as the original one but somehow stolen/bought directly at the manufacturing site and sold by private persons.
It is really hard to distinguish a real battery from a fake...
But to know if your battery is full/new or not the only way is an external discharge test.
I've tought about buying one of these https://www.ebay.ch/itm/ZB2L3-Batte...560532?hash=item25e6002a94:g:ag4AAOSwmnFZ4hxs
But it says 3A ... which is a bit much for this poor phone battery.
Having a functioning temperature sensor is critical to the stability and safety of the battery. If you've replaced your battery, use an app like Accubattery to verify the following: an existing thermistor will read a fluctuation in temps anywhere from 20-50C based on usage and ambient heat. Most (all?) of the batteries sold online have only a resistor which will send various inaccurate readings to the phone, typically 25C while charging, and a jump to 35-38C while unplugged (if the plugging/unplugging makes no sudden difference, try putting your phone in the freezer, or going between idle and heavy use to test).
If your replacement battery has an accurate temp sensor, please add to the discussion by telling us where you purchased it.
i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
My guess is that a lot of people are going to try in the coming 2-6 months as their battery starts to weaken.
Phone is great. Processor is fast enough and camera is great.
My hope is that we can gather real info and start to get good intel on these battery brands (?).
I don't think changing the battery is particularly easy, but it can be done. (See YouTube)
That being said, I don't want to have to do it more than once.
I hope more people chime in, because I guess many have already and many more will be doing it.
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Shame it's so much effort to change battery my wifes phone always turns off at around 21% now and she doesn't like any of the newer phones most are too big this htc 10 was the max she would go to.
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i bought HSABAT 4300mAh from aliexpress,i replaced the battery .will share with you guys here the results
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I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
Bareq said:
I am planning to buy the same..... hope you have a positive feedback about it..
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let me finish first tests , i will share results asap.im planning to do coming weekend.
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
alicine said:
Hi there, finally I got possibility to check battery performance which I bought from aliexpress.when I compare it with my brothers 2 years old HTC 10 ,battery is better than his phone. I did HTC battery test.mine was 92% but his was 80% .
I didn't experienced yet daily use. I will update u.
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yo dawg, any news? i'm very eager to read it.
peace
Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
Tips from experience on M7
One thing about lithion batteries . . . they lose a bit of capacity just sitting on the shelf as matter of simple, natural deterioration. So to a certain extent, the newer the better.
When I replaced the battery on my HTC One M7 it was a similar challenge. My approach to buying a battery was to look closely at the photos and see what the date was on the battery for sale as it should be printed on it. (Some of the sellers don't even know that.) I tried to get the most plausibly recently made battery, within reason. By that I mean, I was concerned that for an older phone there might not be any batteries recently manufactured for it, so a very recently dated battery might be fraudulently remarked/re-dated. If I wasn't sure I queried the seller to find out if they knew what the battery's date was.
I'm not sure my theory is correct about which date battery to shoot for, but I'm still going with that line of thinking
Hi, what about the battery performance with daily use?
@numpaque
I'm not sure what the question is there - batteries lose charge as you use them, then need recharging.
What do you want to know again ?
sgokan03 said:
Hey @alicine. I'm really curious about the battery and want to buy it. I have some questions and would really appreciate if you could answer them.
1) Has it exploded yet?
2) Is it the advertised 4300 mAh capasity?
3) How did you make it fit inside the shell? Is it the same dimensions as the 3000 mAh ones?
4) How long does it take to charge & does it still support fast charging?
5) How many hours of SoT are you getting now? (which ROM you're in that would help too)
Thanks in advance.
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1-No its not exploded yet, its working very well
2-I guess no , because im having same SoT as i get it when i first buy the phone
3-I removed the screen first,then one by one other compenents.Dimensions are the same
4-Its takin 50-60 mins to charge from %5 to full
6-Stock rom 4-4.5 hours depend on the use
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
hansing said:
I sent my HTC-10 in for battery replacement through the official service in Germany. This was approx. 6 weeks before my warranty ran out.
Battery performance was really bad with SOT of around 2 hrs, and random shut downs at 20-40% battery capacity.
After 2-3 weeks it came back, and according the delivery paper the battery has been replaced.
But regrettably no improvement could be notified.
So I sent it back again and got it back within approx. 1 week. This time they had replaced the side keys on the Phone, but even this time I could not find any improvement of the battery performance.
So I claimed it a third time, and sent it to the official service again. But now my 24 months warranty was gone….However they still accepted this as a Warranty claim and when I got my phone back after approx. 2-3 weeks it had a new battery, and a new screen.
Since then, the battery performance is good and my phone works more or less like a new one.
I get SOT between 4-5 hrs and no more shut downs and boot loops using stock Oreo.
hansing
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got the same issues and replaced battery from official htc service.
well sot was around 3h when i first bought it.now its 4h and battery still 48%.
frined buy it from the same shop 1 week after me and he still got 4h+ sot.so i guess some devices sold with deflected battery?
Hi,
I am unable to identify what's causing the massive battery drain in my phone.
Can someone please help me identify it. I am attaching the screenshots of the Gsam battery app and AccuBattery app for reference.
Please help me with this!
You have a lot of junkware running.
A good SOT is 7-13%@hr battery usage.
These are more telling:
AOD always on about 1%@hr
Tap on AOD >.5%@hr
If more than that something(s) are running constantly in the background.
If nothing has changed with your configuration it could be your battery needs replaced. SOT will dropped as battery capacity diminishes.
On a heavily used N10+ the battery will last 1.5-2 years. Once it's capacity is less than 80% of it's original capacity, it's reach the end of its usable service life. Replace it before it fails.
A battery failure can cause heavy damage to the phone. Any rear cover bulging is a failure
The battery isn't that hard or expensive to replace.
blackhawk said:
You have a lot of junkware running.
A good SOT is 7-13%@hr battery usage.
These are more telling:
AOD always on about 1%@hr
Tap on AOD >.5%@hr
If more than that something(s) are running constantly in the background.
If nothing has changed with your configuration it could be your battery needs replaced. SOT will dropped as battery capacity diminishes.
On a heavily used N10+ the battery will last 1.5-2 years. Once it's capacity is less than 80% of it's original capacity, it's reach the end of its usable service life. Replace it before it fails.
A battery failure can cause heavy damage to the phone. Any rear cover bulging is a failure
The battery isn't that hard or expensive to replace.
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Thank you so much for the reply.
My battery health as reflected by AccuBattery is 81% (3450mAh). Would you recommend that I change it? or shall I go for a factory reset?
Factory reset if you:
•have malware, rootkits, etc that you can't find and purge within a few hours max.
•have done a major firmware upgrade.
•have had hidden user altered.
•you give up
If the OS load is buggy maybe but it's always better to find the root cause and fix it rather than reset as otherwise it's likely to reoccur.
I don't update as it can cause major issues; my current firmware is over 2 yo and my current OS load will be 2 yo this June. It's still running fast and stable.
I encourage you to troubleshoot rather than blindly reload.
As for the battery you need to be the judge of that. Accubattery is a nice tool but its battery appraisals are not always accurate. If the device was heavily used probably 2 years is the max battery life you'll get.
Make sure you replace the OEM rear cover seal too when you have the battery replaced.
Accubattery Pro is showing the attached. Looks about right for a new fresh battery from my experience.
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Accubattery Pro is showing the attached. Looks about right for a new fresh battery from my experience. View attachment 5603893
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Yeah I like to see it higher but that's par for the course. My original fresh N10+ was 4100.
Make a note of that value and current SOT once optimized. When it gets to 80% of those values the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced. Don't fret about but just replace it at that point before it fails. Just part of regular maintenance...
blackhawk said:
Yeah I like to see it higher but that's par for the course. My original fresh N10+ was 4100.
Make a note of that value and current SOT once optimized. When it gets to 80% of those values the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced. Don't fret about but just replace it at that point before it fails. Just part of regular maintenance...
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Yeah I will. Bear in mind the battery hasn't "calibrated " yet. If anything like this exists anymore. Meaning, I haven't gone below 60% or charged above 85% since Friday receiving it.
Limeybastard said:
Yeah I will. Bear in mind the battery hasn't "calibrated " yet. If anything like this exists anymore. Meaning, I haven't gone below 60% or charged above 85% since Friday receiving it.
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Don't sweat that.
How's it running?
Got a case? Get a screen protector if the factory one isn't on it. Drops are about the only way to kill it... and don't confuse the mic hole for the ejector hole I speak from experience...
It came with an applied screen protector already similar to the s10 plus which I'd bought when it came out a few years back. I bought two heavily discounted cases. One tech 21 Evo check $5 and one of my old favorites Incipio dual pro. Another $5. Amazon. Both new. Tech21 still the usual garbage. Painful cut outs.
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It came with an applied screen protector already similar to the s10 plus which I'd bought when it came out a few years back. I bought two heavily discounted cases. One tech 21 Evo check $5 and one of my old favorites Incipio dual pro. Another $5. Amazon. Both new. Tech21 still the usual garbage. Painful cut outs.
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Keep the factory one on until it needs to be replaced. The wet apply Gorilla IQ Sheild is inexpensive and works well.
Zizo Bolt... this phone wuvs to corner hit and face plant when dropped. Mind the spen if dropped as it likes to pop out, don't step on it!
The tech 21 USB and S pen cut outs offer little to no protection especially the usb port. Not worth more than what I paid for it for sure. $5.
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The tech 21 USB and S pen cut outs offer little to no protection especially the usb port. Not worth more than what I paid for it for sure. $5.
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Get the Bolt, it's as low as only $18. This phone corner strikes the spen corner the most it seems. All corners need good protection and raised guards around the display.
The Bolt has preserved my N10+ extremely well. I've gone through a few of them as I will replace them if they show signs of a hard corner hit (shiny appearance indicates possible material fatigue) to be on the safe side. Other than the kick stand (it never broke in a drop), none of the drops ever dislodged the phone or displaced or broke its retaining shell including multiple impacts or damaged the outer shell. Almost all were on concrete*.
*It's mil spec drop test is from 20 feet onto concrete covered by half inch plywood... so don't go too nuts. Over 4 feet onto concrete is pushing it. That's also a lot of G loading.