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[REQ] Take camera pics in RAW mode.

Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding

monzablue16v said:
Hi guys,
Explantion first.
I've Been messing with the settings in the camera to try and get a good picture, the preview looks good then the image is captured and displayed and it looks arse to be honest.
So this got me thinking we have a 5MP sensor good preview image it must be the jpg compression in the software which has reduced the quality.
We have no flash so we need all the help we can get and RAW will allow us to change the exposure and white balance.
So I am looking for a piece of software that will take the sensor info and save it as a RAW image. I had one for my N95 and it improved the camera quality no end. If not I may have to get Visual studio out and get coding
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That would be interesting but witch camera raw do you want to use? Because there are different camera raw formats like canon or nikon who have their own raw formats.

DNG tends to be a popular one which is digital negative but any RAW filetype would be a good starting point I think. Generally they are all the same and just dump the 5mp image as a full capture

This is a real good idea. And I think it is feasible, unfortunately we need someone skilled in prograamming to take a look at the code ( I assume the Camera.exe file) and somehow stop the image from being processed and just save to file.
Many times the frustration with HTC made me wish I studied computer science ( my initial plan ) instead of a biological major.

Is it worth it? I mean if one has the option why not but really is it worth it?

I think it is, yes. To be honest the camera app is the weakest point of the HD. The hardware is sufficient, but let down badly by the software.
I wonder if HTC have had enough comments and complaints to make them re-write it from the ground up?

I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue

rovex said:
I know it was possible on the N95, but the output in RAW mode was rubbish so was hardly worth it. I do agree though that the HDs camera could be better and its most likely a software issue
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The main advantage of RAW data is when you come to using editing software... there is just more data to play with.

True, i know the output from the N95s RAW app was only 640x480 though, whether thats a limitation of the N95s other hardware systems i dont know.

[Q] RAW pictures

Is there any, app, mod or something else that could allow us to take RAW pictures with desire? Is something like that even possible?

I do not think this is possible because a) the Desire can't achieve the throughput required to store the giant files RAW produces and so storing the files would take a while and b) RAW comes directly from the camera sensor and contains specific information about each pixel and I'm guessing HTC didn't put a (semi-)professional sensor in the phone.
What is possible though is converting pictures from JPEG to RAW but that defeats the purpose of RAW entirely. And also why would you need RAW on a phone? While phone cameras may have relatively alot of megaschitzels, it doesn't mean they produce good quality pictures. They also require decent lenses which (almost?) all phones lack. The megapixel race is senseless nowadays as the quality is currently defined by the quality of the lens. But hey, consumers (and usually prosumers too) buy into that nonsense because higher is always better, right?
Buy a camera if you need RAW, and use your phone for quick snaps for Twitter or Facebook.
Sorry -- rant from a photographer.

That's it, man..
I'm using my canon EOS for "real" photos and my desire for facebook snapshots.
A phone is not a camera.
But let the MediaMarkt-Megaschnitzeljadt go on... ;-)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I would say that it is certainly possible for the desire to store RAW images given the right software and hardware permissions. All RAW is, is a dump of the sensor info. The desire already takes that info and compresses it into a JPEG so it can certainly handle the process.
Overall it must be possible and if not right now it must be hackable to do it.
[edit] A quick search reveals its been done for the Nokias on symbian

What about PNG pictures ? it's not RAW but still lossless, which is better then jpeg !

art0rz said:
I do not think this is possible because a) the Desire can't achieve the throughput required to store the giant files RAW produces and so storing the files would take a while and b) RAW comes directly from the camera sensor and contains specific information about each pixel and I'm guessing HTC didn't put a (semi-)professional sensor in the phone.
What is possible though is converting pictures from JPEG to RAW but that defeats the purpose of RAW entirely. And also why would you need RAW on a phone? While phone cameras may have relatively alot of megaschitzels, it doesn't mean they produce good quality pictures. They also require decent lenses which (almost?) all phones lack. The megapixel race is senseless nowadays as the quality is currently defined by the quality of the lens. But hey, consumers (and usually prosumers too) buy into that nonsense because higher is always better, right?
Buy a camera if you need RAW, and use your phone for quick snaps for Twitter or Facebook.
Sorry -- rant from a photographer.
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Yes I am very well aware of all that facts about lenses and megapixels but I thought that it would be kinda cool to take RAW-s with your phone , and not to speak about all benefits RAW gives you when it comes to the editing
jamesmcuk said:
I would say that it is certainly possible for the desire to store RAW images given the right software and hardware permissions. All RAW is, is a dump of the sensor info. The desire already takes that info and compresses it into a JPEG so it can certainly handle the process.
Overall it must be possible and if not right now it must be hackable to do it.
[edit] A quick search reveals its been done for the Nokias on symbian
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This is also what I was thinking about. A dump from sensor. I dont think it's that hard to implement, to me it seems easier than taking JPEG pictures.
asafy said:
What about PNG pictures ? it's not RAW but still lossless, which is better then jpeg !
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The PNG would be nice too.

Anyone else? Any devs? This would be quite nice feature.

Camer - Only 3.2 MP instead of 5 MP

Hello everyone,
I've been trying out a few camera apps and on two of them it showed the MP my camera was on and they both said 3.2 instead of the 5 mp it should normally be.. One of the apps is ProCapture, I've been messing around with the settings a bit, but i can't seem to get it to 5 mp?
I'm really confused and I wonder how I can fix this?
Cheers

runittwiice said:
Hello everyone,
I've been trying out a few camera apps and on two of them it showed the MP my camera was on and they both said 3.2 instead of the 5 mp it should normally be.. One of the apps is ProCapture, I've been messing around with the settings a bit, but i can't seem to get it to 5 mp?
I'm really confused and I wonder how I can fix this?
Cheers
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You have to buy the full version for full resolution. I know that the ProCapture free version is just a demo with limited res so you can see all the feature but at low res.
(According the the apps info. I haven't bought the full version so I can't confirm it will be 5mp but safe to assumed it will be)

dptran said:
You have to buy the full version for full resolution. I know that the ProCapture free version is just a demo with limited res so you can see all the feature but at low res.
(According the the apps info. I haven't bought the full version so I can't confirm it will be 5mp but safe to assumed it will be)
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Note that the default 16:9 ratio doesn't use the full sensor and is 3.7mp. switching wide-screen off give the 'full' 5mp.

Ok, thanks alot guys. Are there any camera apps you use that you find give you "better" or sharper quality pictures? Because with my stock camera it seems to be a bit random..

runittwiice said:
Ok, thanks alot guys. Are there any camera apps you use that you find give you "better" or sharper quality pictures? Because with my stock camera it seems to be a bit random..
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.magix.camera_mx&hl=es_419

fitzhugh2 said:
Note that the default 16:9 ratio doesn't use the full sensor and is 3.7mp. switching wide-screen off give the 'full' 5mp.
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Thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks!

[Q] Camera optimal settings

Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.

theprince1991 said:
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.

charlatan01 said:
I don't have any advice to offer, however I was considering posting the same question to see what people have found to work the best.
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I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.

theprince1991 said:
Hey there, just got the Z1C yesterday. I've had an XPERIA S and XPERIA Z so I'm familiar with the Sony ecosystem.
I was just wondering what settings you guys use to capture images? I would prefer 16:9, with noise being reduced as much as possible. I don't really mind about sacrificing detail too much if I can get noise levels down.
Right now I use manual mode, 15.5mp, single auto-focus. Automatic White-Balance and auto-iso.
I'm also confused, should I use 15.5MP or 8MP?
Can you also recommend settings for taking pictures in low-light.
I don't suffer from flashbleed problem btw.
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http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...

blue_quartz said:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)

theprince1991 said:
I don't think we're getting an answer. It's dead here lol.
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I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)

jonmorris said:
I'd go and look at the various threads on the Z1 forum as the camera is basically identical and there's load of good advice on getting the most from the Z1 from users who have had more time to experiment (and there simply being more users full stop).
Bear in mind that since .757 there have been a number of improvements. Auto mode is now actually quite good, especially in good lighting conditions, so some of the advice might be less relevant. I'd have been in the 'NEVER USE AUTO - ALWAYS USE MANUAL' camp but I think you might actually get away with auto now.
I still use manual modes, and have been blown away by the quality of some shots I've had over the last few days.
Like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/phosttk8pa8zkw8/2014-04-19 17.16.28.jpg
and this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tkgofiylv43w1v/2014-04-19 17.15.22.jpg
(Both using Landscape SCN mode)
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That is insane quality . No noise at all. Very detailed. Do you put HDR mode on? What is your focus mode? And what about metering?
I'll try the landscape SCN mode... I have found some pictures I have taken are blurry at the edges but your photo's don't really have that.
trewelu said:
Iso setting can be changed at 8MP up to 3200. in full resoution the option is more limited. (including HDR, scene detection etc)
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I thought the higher the ISO the more it lights up the scene but the higher the noise as well? I thought the best thing to do was to keep ISO low as possible.
blue_quartz said:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/85...htc-one-mini-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini?page=3
Interestingly, the phone is only more willing to use higher ISO when using the Superior Auto (it maxes out at ISO 400 in manual), so if you don't need the full 20.7 MP goodness for post-processing cropping you may be better off with Superior Auto.
Another thing to note from the article comments, their review model is only running JB, and there were some camera improvements introduced in the KK upgrade.
Personally, I stick with 8 MP Superior Auto and only switch to the full 20.7 MP if I prefer to do post-processing cropping.
On a related note, I wished the Manual mode is really fully manual...
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Ok cool, I'm not really into post-processing, I just want to be able to point and shoot quickly and get decent picture quality. One thing that kind of annoys me about this phone is that the flash is very aggressive in manual mode (I set it to auto) and quite a lot of times I have to set it to off manually.
Manual mode is overwhelming enough for me! lol what other settings could there be to tweak?
Thanks for the advice guys, and that link is amazing btw!

Question how is the camera quality ?

does Asus rog 6 pro compete with the s22 ultra or iphone 13 pro max ?

Nowhere near.
It's definitely a league below, particularly in low light & video quality. A solid B- compared to the A-listers.
It's okay to good, for general social media requirements/ daytime photography.

Fytdyh said:
does Asus rog 6 pro compete with the s22 ultra or iphone 13 pro max ?
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I looked a lot of review, the right hardware is there, the main problem is the camera software i will try with gcam apk and/or with some other camera application from Google store. Cameras software is the only weak point of this phone

Nope. You don't buy ROG devices if camera quality is a big thing for you. It does the job - that's it.

Try this gcam from BSG and my config file. Tell me what you think. Cheers.

as mentioned by some, the hardware is there but software is bad, even with gcam the results are poor due to bad API implementation.

6D ultimate here - inconsistent performance. sometimes it can be ok, sometimes it's crap.
imprecise blurring for portraits
lacks detail
inconsistent exposure
generally favours day light, and poor with low light

yellowchilli said:
6D ultimate here - inconsistent performance. sometimes it can be ok, sometimes it's crap.
imprecise blurring for portraits
lacks detail
inconsistent exposure
generally favours day light, and poor with low light
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Snapdragon even worse. Suffers from the exact same issues, however its just worse. It's generally accepted that the camera software is beta at best.

I'd love to see a full proper gcam port done for this phone

This whole phone is obsolete at its price. Everyone knew SD8 Gen 2 is coming shortly after the ROG 6, now it is here and every new phone out there will now smash this gaming phone AND offer a twice as good camera performance at a lower price.

Latoc said:
Try this gcam from BSG and my config file. Tell me what you think. Cheers.
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Thanks a lot for sharing these files.
Does the GCam package automatically replace the standard camera app?
Do you like the improvements?
As others, I believe the hardware itself should be just fine (not sure about the lenses, though) but the software is letting the phone down regarding IQ out of the box.

TomKay said:
Thanks a lot for sharing these files.
Does the GCam package automatically replace the standard camera app?
Do you like the improvements?
As others, I believe the hardware itself should be just fine (not sure about the lenses, though) but the software is letting the phone down regarding IQ out of the box.
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Hi, it does not replace the stock app, it is just another app like any other app. And yes, the improvements are there, for sure. Try it !

Any update app or config?

Latoc said:
Hi, it does not replace the stock app, it is just another app like any other app. And yes, the improvements are there, for sure. Try it !
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Thanks, will do!