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Real Users, will you get an S9 or a P20?

I am in the process of either buying a P20, or an S9. This is a 35 vs 40 euro per month question (10 total as I need two phones) and since it is 2 years contract I am very interested in the reliability part of the phone, hardware, and software wise.
I am interested in using the phone mainly for communication calls/whatsapp, but also very important for taking pictures and recording videos. No gaming for me.
Reviews, in general, are very good about the P20, but reviews are short-lived usage experiences, and my only experience with Huawei (a Hero 6X), has not been very good: slow to update, the phone freezes from time to time (it is obviously not a flagship, I know), so I was wondering, now that you have (hopefully) used the phone for a while, will you get a P20 or an S9 if you had the chance?
As a former user of the S7 Edge, I tend to think the Samsung is a more reliable phone, but I wanted to hear from real users here.
Thank you.

Asking this in the S9 forums, you're going to be getting answers from people who have already bought the S9 mostly, would be better off asking in the S7 Edge forums where people are yet to decide
Why not buy an S9 and a P20 and have the best of both worlds if you're getting two phones anyway?
Also you can review each of them against each other for other people

kwanbis said:
I am in the process of either buying a P20, or an S9. This is a 35 vs 40 euro per month question (10 total as I need two phones) and since it is 2 years contract I am very interested in the reliability part of the phone, hardware, and software wise.
I am interested in using the phone mainly for communication calls/whatsapp, but also very important for taking pictures and recording videos. No gaming for me.
Reviews, in general, are very good about the P20, but reviews are short-lived usage experiences, and my only experience with Huawei (a Hero 6X), has not been very good: slow to update, the phone freezes from time to time (it is obviously not a flagship, I know), so I was wondering, now that you have (hopefully) used the phone for a while, will you get a P20 or an S9 if you had the chance?
As a former user of the S7 Edge, I tend to think the Samsung is a more reliable phone, but I wanted to hear from real users here.
Thank you.
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I've never had the P20 and never heard of it's reviews, I just want to point out that Samsung also sucks when it comes to software update. Imagine that the May security patch is not yet available through OTA for my device and yet already available in the firmware downloads in sammobile. If you want to get the latest firmwares available you should do it manually through Odin though.
If you're not into gaming, this phone is really fast, and when I said fast, blazing fast. Even though 4gb ram makes other apps reload, it doesnt even bother because they load up really fast. I cant complain much of this phone when it comes to speed.
When it comes to camera, I really like the HDR of this phone and all the features implemented in the camera app itself. It takes really good photos with great exposures (thanks to the improved HDR capability). However, I am not really into Samsung's "smoothening" process, as it makes the photo look smooth, lacking of details. The only way to counterpart that is to enable RAW format in pro mode or use a third party camera app like the gcam port with working HDR+, I use it everytime I found the stock cam's HDR suffering from harsh sunlight and everytime I needed that extra crisp in photos.
Battery? Hhmm. I used to care a lot about phone's battery. I used to disable most apps and features just to get more juice out of it. The least battery I got was about 4h of SOT amd to be honest, Im pretty happy with that. Then, I realized why would I buy a premium phone and then disable most of its features. So I reset my phone and enjoyed it as it is. AOD yeah boy, fast charging will keep me back as soon as possible.
Overall, you cant go wrong with the S9. Speaker with dolby atmos is amazing. I feel like Im watching movies in cinema, for real! I only hate about this phone is that it doesnt have international warranty. Yes it may be a different case with others, this phone was bought in Dubai and then brought here in the Philippines. I wouldnt been so worried until last 3 days that I found out that my phone is affected with "dead zone spots" in screen, and now I've got to deliver it back to Dubai to get it fixed.

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Thank you.

Owned the Huawei P20 Pro. If you want good photos, you'll forget about the Huawei.
Oversharpen, blur, bad edge detection, people looking like oil paintings.
The software is bad.
Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

I was testing both S9+ and P20Pro in the store and...S9+ is a killer I don't see any bad sides besides that fingerprint button on the back...but nowadays its on every phone.
P20Pro...I almost bought it but when I saw how it record videos, I put it out. It's horrible. 60fps is in real 50fps. Bad OIS, video stutters when recording...and little less stuttering when on playback...S9+ feels like a finished, polished product. P20Pro was like...meh, a toy with unfinished software. I don't like it. But huge PLUS for fingerprint sensor under screen and all these gestures with it.
I bought S9+ 2 weeks ago and I'm so happy about it. Perfect phone. I changed from S7 flat (smaller version).
Record videos like..wow. Genius stabilization even with EIS off, nice photos, really big and amazing screen and loud and quality stereo speakers.
I will probably change to S10 next year when they'll implement underscreen fingerprint sensor
If you have any more questions, feel free to tag me. Cheers!

neflictus said:
Owned the Huawei P20 Pro. If you want good photos, you'll forget about the Huawei.
Oversharpen, blur, bad edge detection, people looking like oil paintings.
The software is bad.
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Thanks.

KamilKiri said:
I was testing both S9+ and P20Pro in the store and...S9+ is a killer I don't see any bad sides besides that fingerprint button on the back...but nowadays its on every phone.
P20Pro...I almost bought it but when I saw how it record videos, I put it out. It's horrible. 60fps is in real 50fps. Bad OIS, video stutters when recording...and little less stuttering when on playback...S9+ feels like a finished, polished product. P20Pro was like...meh, a toy with unfinished software. I don't like it. But huge PLUS for fingerprint sensor under screen and all these gestures with it.
I bought S9+ 2 weeks ago and I'm so happy about it. Perfect phone. I changed from S7 flat (smaller version).
Record videos like..wow. Genius stabilization even with EIS off, nice photos, really big and amazing screen and loud and quality stereo speakers.
I will probably change to S10 next year when they'll implement underscreen fingerprint sensor
If you have any more questions, feel free to tag me. Cheers!
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Thanks, S9+ is another option, but I think I am going to go with S9 this time. Main differnce I see are more battery, more screen, adn more camera, but more expensive

I not really big fan of huawei, I'm a Samsung user from a long time, I'm pretty impressed with the camera, Software UI, and some other stuff... I don't really like huawei's Software and Camera quality is damn too low as compared to Samsung...
I would suggest you to go with samsung... but its upto you

Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs S9 Plus – Camera Test

I put the Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus's cameras up against its predecessor the S9 Plus, in an attempt to determine how much has improved and whether or not it's worth upgrading to.
Overall. I've found that there isn't a lot separating both these phones when it comes to the main camera and the telephoto lens that is. Actually, just a little difference, I find that the S9 Plus took pictures that were
slightly more detailed and the high dynamic range on the S9 Plus was also a little better. The pictures taken with the S9 Plus were also more vivid and saturated but whether or not you like that, would depend on personal preference.
Now, where the S10 Plus shines, is the ultra wide camera, the S9 Plus doesn't have that at all, so in that area the S10 Plus wins hands down, capable of capturing nearly as much as the eyes can see, and of course it's generally more fun to shoot landscape images with that ultra wide camera.
Another area the S10 Plus wins in is Video stabilisation at 1080p, trust me when I say the video is really stable.
If video stabilisation and ultra wide images aren't of any interest to you, then, the S9 Plus in my opinion shoots better images so there's no point in upgrading, otherwise if you want something that's versatile go ahead and upgrade to the S10 Plus.
You can either take my word for it or watch the video below, you'll find that everything I said above is mentioned in the video so it isn't mandatory to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993mzj7aeiw

xdaman85 said:
I put the Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus's cameras up against its predecessor the S9 Plus, in an attempt to determine how much has improved and whether or not it's worth upgrading to.
Overall. I've found that there isn't a lot separating both these phones when it comes to the main camera and the telephoto lens that is. Actually, just a little difference, I find that the S9 Plus took pictures that were
slightly more detailed and the high dynamic range on the S9 Plus was also a little better. The pictures taken with the S9 Plus were also more vivid and saturated but whether or not you like that, would depend on personal preference.
Now, where the S10 Plus shines, is the ultra wide camera, the S9 Plus doesn't have that at all, so in that area the S10 Plus wins hands down, capable of capturing nearly as much as the eyes can see, and of course it's generally more fun to shoot landscape images with that ultra wide camera.
Another area the S10 Plus wins in is Video stabilisation at 1080p, trust me when I say the video is really stable.
If video stabilisation and ultra wide images aren't of any interest to you, then, the S9 Plus in my opinion shoots better images so there's no point in upgrading, otherwise if you want something that's versatile go ahead and upgrade to the S10 Plus.
You can either take my word for it or watch the video below, you'll find that everything I said above is mentioned in the video so it isn't mandatory to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993mzj7aeiw
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I'm an enthusiast photographer with currently the Canon EOS 5DSR, I'm not making a lot of pictures with my phone except at work (another story )
When I received my 9+ last year, as I had heard so many good words about the camera, I test it in a shopping mall garage and it was impressive for a phone...
After that I used it indoors at work with very good results but when It tried in dark/night shots it was regrettable at least (Lot of noise)...
I received my 10+ last Thursday and Friday night I tried 2 night shots in normal view and one in tele, they where the same as 9+ with MAYBE a REALLY slight improvement...
I haven't try the super-wide yet but I will! I agree that if the reason to upgrade your phone is the camera maybe the PIXEL 3 will be better choice as it have some really impressive effects in camera... I really hope someone port the PIXEL 3 camera to my EXYNOS

Terry.666 said:
I'm an enthusiast photographer with currently the Canon EOS 5DSR, I'm not making a lot of pictures with my phone except at work (another story )
When I received my 9+ last year, as I had heard so many good words about the camera, I test it in a shopping mall garage and it was impressive for a phone...
After that I used it indoors at work with very good results but when It tried in dark/night shots it was regrettable at least (Lot of noise)...
I received my 10+ last Thursday and Friday night I tried 2 night shots in normal view and one in tele, they where the same as 9+ with MAYBE a REALLY slight improvement...
I haven't try the super-wide yet but I will! I agree that if the reason to upgrade your phone is the camera maybe the PIXEL 3 will be better choice as it have some really impressive effects in camera... I really hope someone port the PIXEL 3 camera to my EXYNOS
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Yep, the Pixel 3 is great for taking pictures at night, the Huawei Mate 20 Pro also takes really great shots at night.

A70 vs Oneplus 6T

I have already been ridiculed for trying to compare the 6T to the a50,but the a70 looks to be a better match up
Thinking of changing my 6T this summer
Perhaps for a OnePlus 7,
Any thoughts on the a70
It will be cheaper but is it too big ?

manus31 said:
I have already been ridiculed for trying to compare the 6T to the a50,but the a70 looks to be a better match up
Thinking of changing my 6T this summer
Perhaps for a OnePlus 7,
Any thoughts on the a70
It will be cheaper but is it too big ?
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Why exactly are you getting rid of your 6T? It's overall a great device and can easily last you for another year or even more?

CyberOvca said:
Why exactly are you getting rid of your 6T? It's overall a great device and can easily last you for another year or even more?
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Absolutely,you are right,but I like the newest tech
But will likely keep my 6T till next year and straight up buy a OnePlus 8

manus31 said:
Absolutely,you are right,but I like the newest tech
But will likely keep my 6T till next year and straight up buy a OnePlus 8
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Still One plus 6T is best than A70. if u r planning to go with A70 then its not advisable when compared to 6T.

vistaabalaji said:
Still One plus 6T is best than A70. if u r planning to go with A70 then its not advisable when compared to 6T.
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Reasons to go a70
Better display
6.7 inch screen
Bigger Battery,4500mah with 25 watt quick charge
SD card Support
Always On Display
Triple Camera
Better Cameras 32+8+5
32 mp front camera
Not confirmed but probably newer in screen fingerprint tech
Headphone jack
Improved brightness
Fm radio
Lower SAR values(if it bothers u)
One UI has more features but still close to stock
Against A70
Snapdragon 675
No oxygen OS nearly stock
Frequency of updates
OnePlus community
To sum up,thre are definitely reasons to go with the A70 and I'm seriously considering swapping my 6T for one when it comes out here next week. Im not a gamer at all on Android so do I need the Snapdragon 845,not at all.I could use all the features on the a70 though but may well stay with my 6T regardless.

manus31 said:
Reasons to go a70
Better display
6.7 inch screen
Bigger Battery,4500mah with 25 watt quick charge
SD card Support
Always On Display
Triple Camera
Better Cameras 32+8+5
32 mp front camera
Not confirmed but probably newer in screen fingerprint tech
Headphone jack
Improved brightness
Fm radio
Lower SAR values(if it bothers u)
One UI has more features but still close to stock
Against A70
Snapdragon 675
No oxygen OS nearly stock
Frequency of updates
OnePlus community
To sum up,thre are definitely reasons to go with the A70 and I'm seriously considering swapping my 6T for one when it comes out here next week. Im not a gamer at all on Android so do I need the Snapdragon 845,not at all.I could use all the features on the a70 though but may well stay with my 6T regardless.
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You make some good points and I agree with you. Regarding gaming I know you said you don't play them on the phone, but you shouldn't worry at all, A70 will play all the latest games no problem if you decide to play something. I tried some games on A50 and it had no problems running any, and A70 has even better specs!

Glotttis said:
You make some good points and I agree with you. Regarding gaming I know you said you don't play them on the phone, but you shouldn't worry at all, A70 will play all the latest games no problem if you decide to play something. I tried some games on A50 and it had no problems running any, and A70 has even better specs!
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Yes I believe this is true,the 675 is a great chip.I used a device with 660 and there was no problems whatsoever, Processors these days are typically great above the 660,
Still on the fence about the a70 though,have been looking at the reviews,many point out issues with the cameras,front and back
Would need these to be great if I'm gonna swap my 6T which has been performing a lot better with Gcam

After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
Most notably the in display fingerprint sensor which looks like it's first generation tech
And the camera not quite fullfilling it's potential in terms of megapixel stated and lack of stabilisation,
It would not be worth me giving up my 6T for this device,
I will continue to try and find a decent mid range device with good if not excellent camera and features the a70 have,
It may take another year actually but certainly the mid range section is getting better all the time

manus31 said:
After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
Most notably the in display fingerprint sensor which looks like it's first generation tech
And the camera not quite fullfilling it's potential in terms of megapixel stated and lack of stabilisation,
It would not be worth me giving up my 6T for this device,
I will continue to try and find a decent mid range device with good if not excellent camera and features the a70 have,
It may take another year actually but certainly the mid range section is getting better all the time
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You're making the right decision I've had a 6T and A70 and the 6T has a much better camera specially in low light which is the real weak point of the A70. Megapixels are just numbers and doesn't say anything about camera quality. The camera and fingerprint sensor are the two weakest points of this phone. I didn't like the fingerprint reader even in the 6T as I found it annoying but this one is even worse and I rely on face unlock and only use fingerprints for authorization in banking apps etc. However screen is better and battery life is much better.

manus31 said:
After much research and scouring the internet for reviews and insight,
I have decided not to go with the a70,although it is a capable and attractive device with many features,there are some downsides that would be too annoying to live with,
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Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.
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Yea,seems to be a bit of a disappointment overall for this phone,glad I didn't go for it,shame because on paper it seems ideal

I'm getting great batterytime on mine.
But camera and fingerprint reader is not where it should be for the pricerange.
For example my Xiaomi MI 9 SE is cheaper and camera is way better, and fingerprint reader is also better, but like most in-screen readers it is still slow. But sure it lacks headphone jack and has shorter runtimes with its 3000mAh battery.
Overall the Mi 9 SE is a better phone for less money.

OC-Freak said:
I'm getting great batterytime on mine.
But camera and fingerprint reader is not where it should be for the pricerange.
For example my Xiaomi MI 9 SE is cheaper and camera is way better, and fingerprint reader is also better, but like most in-screen readers it is still slow. But sure it lacks headphone jack and has shorter runtimes with its 3000mAh battery.
Overall the Mi 9 SE is a better phone for less money.
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Hi,
Nice statement, but comparing a A70 and a mi9 SE is kind of pointless.
I don't think you can compare a 5.9" display phone with a 6.7" display phone.
Even if the rest is nearly identical.
Don't get me wrong.
I am a great Xiaomi fan.
If Xiaomi would have released a smartphone ABOVE 6.5" AND with a decent SoC, I would have gone for that immediatly.
But the only "phablet" in the Xiaomi range of products is the mi Max 3 (that I currently have) and that one does have a SD 636 and it has really horrible latency when you touch the display.
Regards.

NexusPenguin said:
Hi,
So far, I'd call that a really wise decision.
First, display is of course 6.7 inch... But with a 20:9 ratio, it looks tiny compared to the 6.9" of the mi Mix 3 I had before the A70.
Second, I seem to be allergic to AMOLED/SuperAMOLED technology. Display gets a really blue tint when tilted.
Third : battery life is real not on par with what I would expect from a 4500mAh battery.
Fourth : I am unable to use Super Fast Charging and I never had a device charging that slowly in the past 4 or 5 years...
Good I bought this device from Amazon and so can give it back within 30 days...
It is a disappointment, bercause on paper it had everything I am looking for.
Real life sometimes hits pretty hard
Regards.
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Are you sure you have enabled fast charging in settings? Battery / Settings / Fast Charging With Cable.
Just a thought, mine charges from 10% to 100 % in about an hour and a half.

Do remember that 25w charging is only enabled when the screen is off or the AOD is activated. Whenever the screen is on, even on the lockscreen, it'll be limited to 6w.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy S11, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy S11 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I love my S20U no matter what they said.
The only things that still bother me to this day are the price, the focusing issue in low-light (with the telephoto sensor and with the main camera, shooting closely to the object), the lack of 90 hz option, the palm rejection feature, and the dull colour options.

I love my S20 Plus 5G. Coming from S8 Plus, s20 is a logical "evolution". Pretty similar but better in many small things.

Coming from a S9+ I feel that the S20 Ultra is not worth the asking price.
The camera might be better on paper but picture quality (panoramas in particular) and perception of performance (Chrome tends to hang for a few seconds every now and then) are a downgrade.
The big screen is nice and having an optical zoom is a decent add-on as well, but these aren't features unique to this phone.
When taking into account that this is the very high end offering of Samsung, I am left to wonder whether I should have skipped this year's phones.

Camera software needs sorting to sharpen pictures but otherwise a great phone

Had the phone for about a month and I absolutely love everything about my S20 ultra except for focus on the main lens.

The phone camera is horrible. My 7 year old phone takes better pictures. I have not seen an update that improves the quality. Unfortunately, it degrades the phone to the level of a 10 year old phone or possibly the level of the first phone that came out with a camera, however many years ago was that. I bought it for the memory and additional application processing capacity but little did I know it does not come with a camera, the one installed is worthless.

What about the S20 Plus? I read Ultra was the one to have focus issues.

It absolutely does and it is useless as a camera.

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It absolutely does and it is useless as a camera.
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But the S20+ is good right?

Droid9684 said:
But the S20+ is good right?
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Focus issues were with the ultra; my s20+ has perfect focus and takes great pics.

Before the A12 OneUI 4 update, I actually hated this phone because of the barrage of issues I had with it on A11, especially battery life and camera performance. Now with A12, I like this phone more than I did when I initially bought it. I like watching movies on my phone, and A12 added a new feature where you can watch AV1 encoded videos, which is really nice! Overall, this phone is great besides battery life if you're a heavy user.

Question S21 Ultra to ZF3 : Would love to hear your thoughts!

Of course the big main screen is the #1 positive.
If anything is going to break this deal its
#1 the small cover screen first and foremost.
#2 it's the cameras but I've been surprisingly OK with the ZF3 shots lately.
How Bout you?

i shifted to all apple last year and im so in love with my iphone 12 pro max, i love the eco system
but i still want to buy Samsung as i love the extra customization and its like tab and phone
my main concerns
are there any cases from rhinoshield or any well known brands? my phone falls to much from my hands
my last s20 ultra have so much focus issues that never wanted to go back to samsung, maybe i got a defective unit 12 pro max cam is awesome
the inside screen quality, i watched a durability test and the nails still damage the inner screen

I went the opposite way. I just returned my z-fold 3 because of the battery life and the cameras. The s-pen flip case was absolutely horrid. I just feel for a $1,900 phone, it was underwhelming. I'm hoping on the z-fold 4, they put the s-pen solo in the phone. It just wasn't the note replacement I hoped it would be. I ordered an s21 ultra 512 GB but I won't be here till the end of the month so I'm looking forward to that now.

I don't understand the issue with cameras. Other than the less zoom on the f3, it takes pics just as good as the s21ultra. Yes I have both. Sure, batt life is not as good, but WTF did anyone expect with 2 screens. But it does last a full day. So stop the Bllsht.

I went from S21 Ultra to Fold 3, I certainly won't be going back to to a candy bar phone again. The cameras do a good enough job for me, the S21 camera array would have been nice, but I do wonder how much it would bump the price up.
I don't mind the outside screen either, certainly easier to type 1 handed, where the S21 U was quite wide to use like that.
I found this video the other day, regarding the cameras

bs3pro said:
I don't understand the issue with cameras. Other than the less zoom on the f3, it takes pics just as good as the s21ultra. Yes I have both. Sure, batt life is not as good, but WTF did anyone expect with 2 screens. But it does last a full day. So stop the Bllsht.
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Don't tell people to "stop the bull****". It's not your role to police who says what. All opinions are good to go.

bs3pro said:
I don't understand the issue with cameras. Other than the less zoom on the f3, it takes pics just as good as the s21ultra. Yes I have both. Sure, batt life is not as good, but WTF did anyone expect with 2 screens. But it does last a full day. So stop the Bllsht.
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Maybe in your opinion but I have my own. The cameras are basically up to par with my Note 20 5G. Maybe you are willing to sacrifice to have a folding screen but I am not. Cellular reception also was worse and I have a feeling that is what was killing the battery. By all means enjoy your F3 and I'll enjoy my S21. Like I said, I am looking forward to the Fold 4.

I love my fold3. The battery life isn't great, but try turning off your 5G. That should help out quite a bit. Plus you won't be able to tell the difference with the speeds unless you're using ultra wideband.

S21U to F3...
Cameras ... Nasi e downgrade
Everything else ... Z Fold 3 is *THE* device to own in 2021

S21U to ZF3. I've gotten settled into the Fold 3 after a few days - I had to swap out my email app of choice (Nine) for Outlook to help with the battery (Nine has always been a bit of a hog, but it tips the scales to "not a full day" whereas Outlook plays nicer). I'm now getting a full business day (12hrs) but not much more.
I've got a little stand and BT keyboard taking its place as an iPad Mini Pro as welll...
I will miss the S21U cameras (I still have it...not giving it up so quickly!) so it's def form vs. function.

My biggest gripe with the Fold isn't the phone itself. To have a good solid case on it that lays flat means having big edges around the front screen. It's a bit awkward, but I'm sure I'll cope with time.
As for battery life, I do a lot of reading. I used to use a tablet + S21. With their mixed usage, either device would last a couple days without any real issue. Now, I have to top off during the day. I knew at some level this would be the case, but didn't QUITE expect it to be as heavy as it is. I have a charger at my work desk, home desk, and nightstand so it isn't a problem in my day to day life. Reading is also something I can avoid doing, and usually would anyway, if I'm going to be out and about all day.

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My biggest gripe with the Fold isn't the phone itself. To have a good solid case on it that lays flat means having big edges around the front screen. It's a bit awkward, but I'm sure I'll cope with time.
As for battery life, I do a lot of reading. I used to use a tablet + S21. With their mixed usage, either device would last a couple days without any real issue. Now, I have to top off during the day. I knew at some level this would be the case, but didn't QUITE expect it to be as heavy as it is. I have a charger at my work desk, home desk, and nightstand so it isn't a problem in my day to day life. Reading is also something I can avoid doing, and usually would anyway, if I'm going to be out and about all day.
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Yep. You were in essence carrying two batteries, one in the S21 and one in the Tablet. You can't get away with just having 1 battery and expecting it to last as long as 2. The answer is to have an external battery along for the ride (which I always have in my bag anyway!)

mickliq said:
Yep. You were in essence carrying two batteries, one in the S21 and one in the Tablet. You can't get away with just having 1 battery and expecting it to last as long as 2. The answer is to have an external battery along for the ride (which I always have in my bag anyway!)
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Well, didn't usually carry the tablet with me as much as use it around the house. That said, yes. Not only is the tablet a second battery, it's a larger second battery. I expected higher usage, I just didn't expect as much as I should have. I do have the ability to bring a battery if needed, I just don't need to in most cases.

Totally get it. It's just helpful to think about the loss of the large 2nd battery

dezborders said:
S21U to F3...
Cameras ... Nasi e downgrade
Everything else ... Z Fold 3 is *THE* device to own in 2021
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rockky said:
Don't tell people to "stop the bull****". It's not your role to police who says what. All opinions are good to go.
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I took the ZF3 and S21U out together today and did camera tests on my own and was amazed how well the ZF3 matched the S21U. (cept for zoom and macro)

Honestly if you have a SGS21 Ultra. There is no point in upgrading to the Z Fold 3 as the performance is the exact same as they are running on the same hardware.

iceepyon said:
Honestly if you have a SGS21 Ultra. There is no point in upgrading to the Z Fold 3 as the performance is the exact same as they are running on the same hardware.
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S21u outside of USA and SK has the "inferior" Exynos chip which has different performance and heat management (and also different ISP for processing images taken with cameras)
It's a difficult question ... Upgrade from S21u to F3?
Personally I'd say if you want to try foldable phones the F3 is the one to go for
If camera is most important to you stick with the S21U

bs3pro said:
I don't understand the issue with cameras. Other than the less zoom on the f3, it takes pics just as good as the s21ultra. Yes I have both. Sure, batt life is not as good, but WTF did anyone expect with 2 screens. But it does last a full day. So stop the Bllsht.
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My 'problem' with the F3 cameras is that for £1599 ($1799) the absolure flagship product from Samsung I expect the S21 Ultra camera module to be included. However, Samsung reduced F3 price by £200 over last years F2 so we cant have everything (but we still want it!)
The Fold3 camera sensors are the same as those in the Fold2, which were same as Fold1, which were same as the S10+ cameras.
If we wanted 3 year old camera sensors in our smartphones we would buy an Apple iPhone. lol

dezborders said:
My 'problem' with the F3 cameras is that for £1599 ($1799) the absolure flagship product from Samsung I expect the S21 Ultra camera module to be included. However, Samsung reduced F3 price by £200 over last years F2 so we cant have everything (but we still want it!)
The Fold3 camera sensors are the same as those in the Fold2, which were same as Fold1, which were same as the S10+ cameras.
If we wanted 3 year old camera sensors in our smartphones we would buy an Apple iPhone. lol
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So, did you end up buying an IPhone?
If not, and you bought the F3, you'll know that the pictures it takes are very good, to the extent that some YouTube comparisons show that it holds up to, and sometimes beats the IPhone in terms of picture quality.
If you didn't buy the F3, you're just trolling, for how would you know how good or bad the camera is in reality. LOL

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So, did you end up buying an IPhone?
If not, and you bought the F3, you'll know that the pictures it takes are very good, to the extent that some YouTube comparisons show that it holds up to, and sometimes beats the IPhone in terms of picture quality.
If you didn't buy the F3, you're just trolling, for how would you know how good or bad the camera is in reality. LOL
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As a phone enthusiast (read addict), I have owned in the last 12 months.... Note 20 Ultra, iPhone 12 Pro Max, Xiaomi Mi 11 5g, S21 ultra and now the Z Fold3.
The Fold 3 is 1000s times more advanced and exciting to use than any of the other devices mentioned above... however the Z range cameras are stuck at 12mp from 2019 S10 era.
I agree pictures taken with a Z Fold3 are good or even excellent in most cases....
however, if you claim 2.0 optical zoom in F3 is technically as good as 10x optical zoom in S21U , or thar 108MP with Laser autofocus on S21u is not "better" than basic 12mp main lens on the Z Fold, you are mistaken my friend
(and lets not even begin to discuss the 4 FOUR! megapixel under-screen-camera lol )
To clarify .... I ABSOLUTELTY LOVE my Z Fold3!
I just think Samsung has missed the opportunity to release the ULTIMATE "UNBEATABLE" smartphone by not including 2021 spec camera module from the S21 Ultra. (The Note range always matched or exceeded the cameras in the S range from 6 months previous so why not do the same with the Z range?).