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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
Background
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Firstly, some background: I bought my first Samsung and first Note, the Note 2 and thoroughly loved the device. I've had every Note except the Note 1, Note 4 (used the Google Nexus 6 which I still have) and the Note 9 (used a OnePlus 7 Pro, which I still have). I absolutely love the Note series with the large beautiful screen, excellent cameras and of course the Pen.
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
What I don't like or care for the most about the 7 Pro is the ugly rounded corners (besides the mediocre camera). I've always loved the square(er) corners of the Note. And when I saw the Note 10+ in a store recently and touched it, I had to have one. I got it in 3 days and wow what a sight to behold! The screen is just absolutely heavenly.
Cell Signal
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
WiFI Signal
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
Comparison
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Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
I was blown away going from the garbage radios on the Note 8 to the amazing radios on the OnePlus 7 Pro. Absolutely never any cell or WiFi issues, ever. I figured that since the radios on the Qualcomm chips get more powerful every year, that the Note 10+ would be a giant step up from the radios on the Note 8. Boy was I wrong.
Samsung Crippling the Radios
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
Samsung Crippling the Audio
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Samsung has also chosen to cripple listening to music also. Just even touching the EQ one tick above the -0- line and the volume is literally cut in half. Good luck trying to listen to headphones with any kind of volume. If you go just one tick below the -0- line, then the volume gets cut about a quarter. So half of the half. Samsung does this to "protect your hearing" so that you don't listen to music too loudly.
My OnePlus 7 is not like that with the same EQ and same Dolby Atmos. The volume barely wavers at all while adjusting the EQ, and the sound is loud and it actually sounds significantly better than my Note 10.
Conclusion
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I have two devices with virtually identical hardware. One works as it should with excellent Cell and WiFi signal and great EQ sound, while the other is being crippled to protect the user from too much RF radiation or too loud of sound.
Samsung has become like Apple: restricting or constricting how you use your devices. Now if you live in a large city where you are surrounded by cell towers and WiFi everywhere, then you'll likely not notice much of the cell signal or WiFi issue. Those of us who live in smaller cities or towns where the coverage is more sparse, we need that extra radio power that Qualcomm already provides so that our devices do what they are first and foremost intended to do: be a working phone.
I am very upset and disappointed to see Samsung has crippled these devices all in the name of "protecting the end user". So as much as I would love to have that gorgeous screen with me all the time, I'm going to have to settle for my 7 Pro: a device that actually works and isn't being crippled. That also teaches me to never buy a Samsung device again for the foreseeable future, if ever again.
I'd love to see a class-action lawsuit against Samsung for crippling their devices. These things are the most expensive Android devices on the planet. They should not have anything crippled on them for that price.
Well, that may be your experience, I travel a lot by car and, only in some really isolated areas is where I loose signal, you see, It is very different for everyone, I use cellphones since 1990, and I have seen a lot
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
scottusa2008 said:
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
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Exactly, carrier coverage/quality is what almost always determine how well you can use a device, just in some few cases, hadware or software, underperform or are sub-par
I completely agree with this, that's why root was so important to fix things.
Samsung and apple are basically the same in controlling their hardware and software, one just gets more flak for it and I don't see Samsung changing because people don't have other devices, they buy only Samsung like people only buy apple.
They have their set market and try to do the best they can so they don't get sued.
My one plus is way better at everything than my n10+5g except for camera, but I hate how ugly oneplus phones are so it's sticks to 3rd line backup duties behind my Xperia .
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
Nastrahl said:
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
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Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
The fact is: the phones use whatever power needs to connect within certain regulated limits, that's it, the carriers are the ones that have the more difficult task in providing the signal as best as possible, which is indeed somewhat complicated for some geographical situations
Hardware and none optimized firmware in general have an impact on the quality of the phone signal, (modem, antenna and others) and off coarse some apps running in the background of the phone. Nevertheless, it's minimal in comparison to the impact caused by the carriers network regulations, network bands assignment, cell towers distance and users traffic. the unsubstantiated claim that Samsung is deliberately crippling our phones signal strange, is nonsense! (It didn't stop Apple from slowing down some old iPhones, not theirs signal)
Exactly itzik
You guys are trying to rationalize and keep buying Samsungs constraints.
Like I said. My Xperia and OnePlus has better signal and is louder, especially speaker and Bluetooth music than my n10+, my note 9 is rooted so viper4android helps but its signal and call quality has always been the worst.
I carry 3 phones with me, needless to say the ones I need for talk with clarity are not my note10+
It's a shame really that other manufacturers have the exact same signal and loudness constraints Samsung does but can achieve more refinement all the while being smaller than Samsung at that
Collin80 said:
Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
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No I suppose that if the limit is 2, make it use 2 for the sake of having signal in bad coverage areas (like where I live because of the metal roof of the train station nearby [official statement about why signal is bad]), and not 0.187 max.
Make it dynamically use less when in call by the use of proximity sensor if it detects your body, or something like that, and use its full potential for tethering or when nothing is detected by the proximity sensor (for tethering by example) or at home because you can charge it whenever you want ; etc.
I have note10+ exynos variant, and also amazingly good Huawei p20. I read a lot about the signal issues on note10. I compared the 2 device, same operator. There is a difference between them, definitely. But strangely mostly on signal values. Huawei p20 showed between 2 and 10 dBm better signal reception. But if you start a speedtest, note10+ is faster or the same compared to p20 both on 2x2 network.
Also WiFi module performed better on note10+. A was able to stay connected to very low signal wifi, when p20 couldn't connect at all. However note10 doesn't show low signal wifi. It shows and detect only very high signal networks. But if you already saved the network ssid, you may have chance to stay connected even on low signal.
The biggest problem ive found on note10 is faster modem overheating and throttling on low signal reception. Otherwise is still amazing device.
I also get pen interference on some lte network sites, the pen constantly disconnected on some places using lte 1800 mhz.
at my job at places that with my mate 20 pro i had 1-2 wifi bars now my note 10+ and my previous s10+ doenst even "see" the wifi. it doenst find any networks
The original intention of OP was to say that samsung devices are deliberately capped down, which honestly, is absurd, differences between different devices are obviously to be expected
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
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Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
-BoneZ- said:
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
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I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
-BoneZ- said:
I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
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Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
-BoneZ- said:
The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
-BoneZ- said:
Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
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Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
-BoneZ- said:
That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
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Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
Exactly man! You nailed it! Hopefully OP has a better understanding now
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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I think everything you say falls flat when other devices perform better right next to a Samsung device with all those scenarios and parameters involved.
No matter what scenario you throw at it, another device in the same position doesn't have the problem Samsungs do. I have many phones and tablets on the same networks that perform where Samsung lags and hangs.
That's the point, not that there's rules and regulations that EVERYONE follows, it's that Samsung chooses to not optimize as well as other manufacturers, which to be honest has been the same story since their Android adoption.
We just all forgot because the hardware almost overcomes the software limitations to be barely good enough.
Also all hardware is basically the same now, just rearranged differently inside phones but to the same manufacturer specs and connections or else the built in fail-safes won't let them work, so then what does that leave as the real issue?
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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winol said:
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
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Consumer ignorance and small report sample, because of consumer ignorance, creates an experience curve in favor of Samsung.
So because xda is more "tech savy", because there's more developers who maybe work in the tech industry, who probably have more means and more devices and get more use of said devices because of their interest/work/hobby/ECT, that means we have an unrealistic expectations when all were saying is that Samsung falls behind in it's product compared to it's peers.. wouldn't you want the tiny sample who maybe knows more to speak up about it?
Frankly maybe it's not just my experience, maybe I just know enough to admit Samsung software is garbage without root and Xposed to make it work right.
This is XDA, this is what we do here. We observe, we report and we try as best we can to fix issues with products costing over $1100 that frankly shouldn't be there.
Nobody should have an issue with data reported by OP, or myself or anyone for that matter, especially when you can look at our Dev section or modules and fixes that exist within our community that were created to fix these issues reported.
What better reflection of the problem than a community coming up with solutions and baking new software.
I really don't like when people can't speak up against the majority when it comes to problems, it seems like the minority are the only ones who are pushing development anyway.
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Is the Evo capable of N?
no only b/g
does it have wifi n chip, and just not enabled like the N1? or it's not even capable of 802.11n?
The chip is more than likely capable with 802.11n but also more than likely not enabled. I belive ALL of HTC's Snapdragon offerings are paired with the BCM4329, since the EVO has Bluetooth+FM Radio+Snapdragon it's 99% likely it has Wireless N
Cool hopefully a teardown will reveal this and rooting will enable the option.
i dont think n is compatible with android just yet...
Android 2.2 on the nexus one turned on 802.11n http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364001,00.asp More than likely whenever HTC gets 2.2 on the EVO it will have it as well.
wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
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wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
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If that were true what would be the point of wifi at all. I hope it does have n capabilities lying in wait.
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wireless N isn't really needed on a cell phone... not yet anyways
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It is entirely needed. Connecting a G device to a single-band N network drops every device on the network to G speeds. Even if you don't get the extra throughput over wifi, wireless N won't slow down your other stuff like B/G will.
Also I have a Wireless N router at home. I'd be most interested because of the range.
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Also I have a Wireless N router at home. I'd be most interested because of the range.
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"N" doesn't increase range. The benefits of 802.11N increase speed and throughput, not range. The better the radio/power and antenna = better range, but 802.11n is still based off the same frequencies as the a/b/g radios. Also... "loud" radios just overpower quieter radio's in client devices and cause extra noise and dirty air. Most homes should be sufficient with a single consumer grade AP. If your living in a mansion or want to cover acres of property, then go with a commercial grade solution like Cisco.
I also agree with the earlier post of why is "n" needed on a cell device anyway. 30fps live video only consumes a max of 4Mbps. Standard WiFi will hand it just fine without breaking a sweat.
that's wrong, because 802.11N on mixed mode (N/G) runs at a significantly reduced rate for all devices, even the G devices. (about half of a normal 802.11g speed) for EVERYONE. So that means that your expensive 802.11 N router is now worse than a 802.11g router and you're better off switching it to pure 802.11g mode. which makes the whole point of having one completely moot. So yes, it is needed.
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"N" doesn't increase range. The benefits of 802.11N increase speed and throughput, not range. The better the radio/power and antenna = better range, but 802.11n is still based off the same frequencies as the a/b/g radios. Also... "loud" radios just overpower quieter radio's in client devices and cause extra noise and dirty air. Most homes should be sufficient with a single consumer grade AP. If your living in a mansion or want to cover acres of property, then go with a commercial grade solution like Cisco.
I also agree with the earlier post of why is "n" needed on a cell device anyway. 30fps live video only consumes a max of 4Mbps. Standard WiFi will hand it just fine without breaking a sweat.
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Wireless N routers have more radios that help with range. B & G routers don't have as many radios.
Wireless n does increase speed if properly configure and range as well ...
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Wireless N routers have more radios that help with range. B & G routers don't have as many radios.
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Your right... more radios, beam forming technologies, etc... all of which can be leveraged by native "g" devices. The ONLY thing you get by having the "n" client is MIMO. I never said that a "n" router wasn't better. Just saying that it is not needed on the EVO. Consumer grade routers are cheap!!!! If you so concerned with it bringing down the capability of your WLAN, spend the extra money for a commercial grade product that does not deteriorate your "n" performance or buy a cheap "n" and a cheap "g" router and associate your EVO and other legacy gear to that.
Seriously, you all are making it sound likes dooms day if a "g" device hits your WLAN. Do you make your guests have "n" devices before they can connect to your network?
Besides, will your really have your EVO with WiFi on constantly? You planning on recharging every 3 or 4 hours?
Again, unless you really know what your talking about... you shouldn't make claims about "n" clients working at further distances. A "n" client cannot get further distances than a "g" client. The benefit in the technology is the beam-forming which is done with many manufactures in the AP, and has nothing to do with the client. However, 2.4 and 5.0 Ghz spectrum is the same and does not magically change with "n". Still the same frequencies!!!! The only benefit you would get with the EVO being "n" is that it would get better performance using the multiple radios. Again, I just don't see an application that requires it. Unless of course your are opening 2GB AutoCad files on your EVO. Not needed for music, video, or any other multi-media that i can think of.
I agree "n" is better, I am not saying that it isn't... I am just making the point that it has NOTHING to do with the coverage area. A "n" radio WILL reach further than a "g" radio due to beam forming, but it will get the same distance whether the "client" is "g" or "n". That's all I am saying. Getting back to the EVO needing "n"... I just don't see why it is needed. Yes their are some concessions to the network that it is attached to, but depending on Wireless design or product... most of those issues can be removed or avoided.
Ok buddy geez I get it. You pwned this thread. Thanks for the info though.
See, I told you the Evo didn't need wireless N yet
Haterz...
ifixit has posted their teardown, it does indeed have n capability.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC-Evo-4G-Teardown/2979/1
Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.
Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day. ?
I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.
Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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This....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/le-pro-3-vs-oneplus-3t-speedtest-t3510870
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Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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My experience exactly as well. If I was looking at buying one or the other I suppose I would maybe get a 3T. But after having a LP3 and using it since launch I'd happily keep it. I don't think I'd even trade for a 3T. Especially with the ROM support that the LP3 has already. Resurrection Remix (using currently and LOVING)! CM, Slim, MIUI, 7.1 AOSP, various highly tweaked and optimized Eui builds. Not really any software advantage as long as you're a flasher. Better battery life, same speed. Only thing I don't like is low light shots are pretty bad. Bezels could be smaller too but not that bad.
It's much cheaper so those are very acceptable trade offs IMO.
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Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.
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That's why I'm keeping my x720. Never loses wifi signal quality in bed (my bed is in a corner which is horribly placed to hinder wifi signals). Never had an issue with bluetooth or connectivity though.
I'd say only departments in which Le-Pro 3 lacks is camera quality & OS. Though alot of people here are accostmed to EMUI, MIUI so EUI wont be a problem for them. I'm just a google-play guy so CM fits the definition for me. Thank you for making me thankful for my Le Pro 3.
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Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day.
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This!~
xposed + Android N-ify makes me forget about other features which are hardly used.
Tikerz said:
I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.
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CDLA output is one of the main features why I preferred this phone despite being awe-inducing-ly cheap for what it offers!.
is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.
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is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.
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I do know the Hauwei mate series are excellent phones. My buddy has a Mate 9 and it's phenomenal. I've seen it trounce his iPhone 7+ in a round of speed tests (not benchmarks but actual app opening, scrolling through gallery etc). That's tough to do, as boring and limited as iPhones are, they're still very fast.
The camera on it is killer too. But it's over twice the price of a Le Pro for a shred extra speed and better camera. Not worth it IMO unless you can afford it easily and need that extra 0.03 seconds faster app opening.
Btw it was just said in the news that LeEco has apparently been sneaking industry secrets from Hauwei among others.... Maybe some Mate DNA in our phones already
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This!~
xposed + Android N-ify makes me forget about other features which are hardly used.
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Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.
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Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.
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I'm running on CyanogenMod 13 (Team Superluminal). There are no issues. EUI has its own notification display problem so I decided to move on. Plus, EUI is not my thing, I'm AOSP kinda guy.
By the way guys, with CUSTOM ROM on this phone, does Android Pay works? I used AP most of the time, thats why I am having a hard time flashing custom ROMS, my one plus 3 works even with the CM before. Thanks for any input
I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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1 - even after its EOL it will remain smooth, since we'll still have some dev working on it.
2 - mods other than visual customization are not needed on the Pixel XL. At least not to save battery.
3 - Hopefully the Pixel XL (although looking a little bit similar to the iPhone) will never be comparable with an iPhone.
4 - I don't own a S8 as I don't like Samsung devices, so i can't answer, sorry...
5 - Pixel XL 2 will most likely be released this autumn. Camera is already very nice in my opinion. If you have some money, go ahead. Otherwise wait six more months. It's up to you...
Cheers...
As someone who mainly used Samsung phones in past, I will not even consider S8 as anything. Why? Because of two reasons. First one is a personal requirement. I simply need a phone with smoothly working and consistent UI, which will lag the least, which will be reliable and not throw plenty FC and stuffs. And second one is a FACT. You wanna use an Android phone for real? Then use an android phone for real. Pixel IS Android. Samsung phones are Android in name. If you compare features of the two then Pixel will feel really dull, lacking in features.
Out of Pixel vs S8, I don't even see any point why in God's name would one choose the S8 over Pixel. Only one thing better is less bezels causing a huge and better display. Otherwise that glossy back panel, that fingerprint sensor positioning, a hardware second voice assistant button, jeez! And I am not even saying anything about their new Grace UI.
Pixel 2 will come out same time like Pixel 1 came out, around October.
After using Pixel for three months I have to say the phone simply rocked in most parts, incredible software experience, though still no iOS, that's why I sold it, incredible camera, that I can't forget from my mind, tremendous call quality, clean loud speaker etc., if someone really wanna buy an Android then there is no better phone, or nothing comes even close at this point.
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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Hey,
Can't speak for the camera as for advanced sbot I'd use a DSLR. :good:
My GPS works well, no issue...
Your right, my SII gps.conf had to be tweaked to work properly.
Cheers...
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I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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No manual controls. Only you can increase or decrease exposure that's it. Lowest shutter speed will be 1/4 with HDR+ I think, no less than that. And no, third party camera apps don't do **** here, all are basically meaningless.
But HDR+ as a whole is leagues ahead than other phones. I have never seen any phone capturing this much details in low light. The camera is brilliant in any way you at it. Just there are two problems, sometimes in low light it keeps focusing on the subject, and there is a blown out effect around light sources in a photo, which looks pretty bad when zoomed in.
GPS accuracy of the phone was awesome. Can't speak for iPhone but most accurate Android, fastest too, I have ever used.
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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Hello,
All models directly bought from Google can be unlocked.
Verizon, EE, maybe others, not sure. You can find more infos by reading this forum, it's here if you search... Those can be unlocked if the Android version is 7.1 with an exploit called dePixel8: http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html
On newer version, the exploit has been patched. If i was you, I'd rather look for a Google version if you want an unlockable bootloader...
Cheers...
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I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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I went from S7 to Pixel XL and love it, but I'll go ahead and warn you; if you want the unlockable bootloader, don't buy it from Verizon, order it from the Google Store. The Verizon model (includes getting it at Best Buy) has an permanently locked (can't be unlocked) bootloader on current firmware, but the Google Store source Pixel should always be unlockable no matter what firmware it's updated to. Hope that's accurate, I think it is, unless someone comes up with an exploit to allow unlocking the Verizon bootloader.
Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
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Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Hey,
Ah... I understand you. Yeah the Verizon policy is really annoying for those wanting an unlockable bootloader.
Also, what makes other manufacturers better as they should pack the same technology in their new chips as well, no?
Cheers...
Hell-to-the-nah-naaaah
Without Xposed, I won't even consider an S8.
Actually, I wouldn't even if they got LOS or AOSP ROM's.
Even back when Galaxy phones did get that type of ROM support, they were always buggy A.F.
Wasn't till I got a Motorola X Pure and Google phone till I found out what a "stable" custom ROM was.
I was rooting & ROM'ing Galaxy Skyrocket, S3, S4, Note 3, Note 4... never had such stability as since the Pure and Pixel.
Sucks too, because I want those new slim bezels, 1000 nit screen, extra water resistance and glove mode if they still have it.
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Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
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Is it true that it is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
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I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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No, it's not true. You don't actually need to do mods to keep a 1-2 year old Samsung flagship phone running fast, smooth, and low-battery sucking. Perhaps your problems are with Google Services settings and Google's inability to fix bugs in their software. Avoid that software, use Samsung's instead.
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Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
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Yes, that is true. Google Pixel XL will be a very basic phone with limited capabilities.
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What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
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Yes, it is true. You will lose quite a bit. Here's a list in no particular order:
1) Infinity Display / Curved edges / sense of style / 84% screen to body ratio.
2) Best brightness and best brightness in sunlight ratings.
3) HDR screen certification.
4) IP68 water and dust proofing.
5) Gorilla Glass 5 durability.
6) Wireless charging and Fast Wireless Charging.
7) Micro SD card expansion.
8) Best in class low light camera performance. Best in class camera sharpness performance. Best in class selfie camera.
9) Bluetooth 5.0
10) Always On Display.
11) LTE-4CA, twice faster LTE.
12) Samsung Pay, which works everywhere, even without NFC terminals. Works with magnetic stripe readers, which is unique, because no other pay systems can do that.
13) Iris scanner security.
14) SpO2 meter, heart rate sensor.
15) Desktop dock option with optimized desktop OS.
16) Bixby - **** Bixby. Minus 10 points here.
So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
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So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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2 things
1 - The Pixel XL gives me 7 to 8 hours SOT, location and assistant all on normally. On standby, drain is less than 1%. I call that impressive.
2 - 821 may be the "not the best" but it is still the second best. I have both the iPhone 6 (not S), and the OnePlus One (running a Snapdragon 801) and they're both still rocking it and are smooth as butter. They are both 3 years old. Nothing gets slowed down or becomes heavy and stuttering unless you're installing a crapload of useless things on it. Pixel being a Pixel will get Android O and even Android P, which will surely optimize it even further.
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Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out?
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It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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Just curious, what changes have you made?
Rooting aside - as for the first time I do not feel a need to root a device.
A lot of my setup relies on Tasker to automatically make setting changes, so it requires root or something like AutoTools Secure Settings on an unrooted phone. My impression was that typically turning off adaptive brightness when indoors may be one of the bigger battery savers from the list. I also had issues with my phone burning through lots of battery when I left wifi on, so automatically shutting off wifi when not in use was another big battery saver, although I hadn't tried changing "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" before installing Tasker. I doubt if the average person would benefit much by things like turning off Google Assistant, but I was trying to get the best standby battery life that I could for the times when I just use the Pixel as nothing more than a phone for talking and texting.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71146945&postcount=301
I am interested in getting a 6" phone and have been reading on the Pixel XL 2 and the Note 8. The XL 2 seems out of the question with all the issues they are having and it seems some of you are having various issues with the Note 8. This is a lot of money to lay out for a phone that has issues. I am on Verizon and need to stay there due to coverage issues in East TN. Any help with my questions would be appreciated.
First and foremost the phone has to get good cell reception. I have a range extender at my home so it is not a big deal there but I also own a houseboat and use my Motorola X Pure to watch Netflix and tether to my laptop (mostly via PDANet) for work. My Motorola shows 3-4 bars most of the time and seems to stream great. However, whenever people have come to my home with Samsung phones (pre having the Network Extender) they could not get a signal or keep one. I could at least carry on a phone conversation without dropping a signal. Have any of you been beside someone with another brand phone in marginal areas and seen how the signals compare? The only 2 brands I have used at home have been Motorola and LG products. LG is not quite as strong but I could keep a signal. I guess I am more concerned about time on my boat where I don't have WiFi available.
Second is I have always had a phone I could root so I could use Titanium Backup. I'm seeing here that you cannot charge your phone past 80% if you root. That really sounds odd and since it has to do with rooting, I would not think Samsung would put that high on their list to fix. I am also reading where you can not use Visual Voice Mail after rooting and even when coming back to stock. I could go back to using Hangouts for my voicemail but VVM is easier.
Third, do you think this phone is worth the cost when there are so many issues. I'm used to a more vanilla based Android experience with the Moto X. I read where many don't like Touch Wiz and some of the Samsung bloat. How do you feel about this.
I'm not in a rush to make a change as I just changed the battery in my Moto X and had a vibration motor put in it. The biggest of my concerns is the cellular reception. This is a must.
Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.
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I am interested in getting a 6" phone and have been reading on the Pixel XL 2 and the Note 8. The XL 2 seems out of the question with all the issues they are having and it seems some of you are having various issues with the Note 8. This is a lot of money to lay out for a phone that has issues. I am on Verizon and need to stay there due to coverage issues in East TN. Any help with my questions would be appreciated.
First and foremost the phone has to get good cell reception. I have a range extender at my home so it is not a big deal there but I also own a houseboat and use my Motorola X Pure to watch Netflix and tether to my laptop (mostly via PDANet) for work. My Motorola shows 3-4 bars most of the time and seems to stream great. However, whenever people have come to my home with Samsung phones (pre having the Network Extender) they could not get a signal or keep one. I could at least carry on a phone conversation without dropping a signal. Have any of you been beside someone with another brand phone in marginal areas and seen how the signals compare? The only 2 brands I have used at home have been Motorola and LG products. LG is not quite as strong but I could keep a signal. I guess I am more concerned about time on my boat where I don't have WiFi available.
Second is I have always had a phone I could root so I could use Titanium Backup. I'm seeing here that you cannot charge your phone past 80% if you root. That really sounds odd and since it has to do with rooting, I would not think Samsung would put that high on their list to fix. I am also reading where you can not use Visual Voice Mail after rooting and even when coming back to stock. I could go back to using Hangouts for my voicemail but VVM is easier.
Third, do you think this phone is worth the cost when there are so many issues. I'm used to a more vanilla based Android experience with the Moto X. I read where many don't like Touch Wiz and some of the Samsung bloat. How do you feel about this.
I'm not in a rush to make a change as I just changed the battery in my Moto X and had a vibration motor put in it. The biggest of my concerns is the cellular reception. This is a must.
Thank you for taking time to answer my questions.
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I highly recommend you go with the Note 8. That's the first thing I'll say here to quickly summarize everything I'm going to answer.
1. Cellular reception really depends on various factors, but with the latest chipset on most flagship phones today, they're able draw signal and fast speeds. Without WiFi, that really depends on if Verizon set up more towers with better ranges near your area.
2. I've always been a root kind of guy until I got into the S7 Edge. Continuing from there with the Note 8, root is NOT necessary. It has overall great battery life and bloatware is NOT an issue to be annoyed by anymore. You can remove/disable apps easily with stock software. No need for battery savers or data cleaners because all they do is drain your battery as well.
3. What "many" issues have you seen about this phone? It's not as problematic as the Pixel 2 XL as you've said, and the LG V30 has it's fair issue of screen problems too. The Note 8, despite my little issues, is an amazing beast that I would hang onto for 3 years at least. This phone is the greatest at being the powerhouse it is and it will definitely last.
That's my 2 cents about it.
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I highly recommend you go with the Note 8. That's the first thing I'll say here to quickly summarize everything I'm going to answer.
1. Cellular reception really depends on various factors, but with the latest chipset on most flagship phones today, they're able draw signal and fast speeds. Without WiFi, that really depends on if Verizon set up more towers with better ranges near your area.
2. I've always been a root kind of guy until I got into the S7 Edge. Continuing from there with the Note 8, root is NOT necessary. It has overall great battery life and bloatware is NOT an issue to be annoyed by anymore. You can remove/disable apps easily with stock software. No need for battery savers or data cleaners because all they do is drain your battery as well.
3. What "many" issues have you seen about this phone? It's not as problematic as the Pixel 2 XL as you've said, and the LG V30 has it's fair issue of screen problems too. The Note 8, despite my little issues, is an amazing beast that I would hang onto for 3 years at least. This phone is the greatest at being the powerhouse it is and it will definitely last.
That's my 2 cents about it.
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I appreciate your feedback.
I've had great cell reception between my Note 5, Note 7, and Note 8. The only time I really remember much of a difference in reception was when I actually got a brand new SIM when I purchased my Note 5 because they actually gave me a newer SIM that supposedly supported more/newer LTE bands in addition to NFC (had been cutting my SIM when getting new phones to keep GFUD). Whether that was hogwash or not, I can't say, but I did get better reception when I switched to my Note 5 from the HTC One M9 and it was faster.
I can't give an unbiased opinion on the V30 since I don't own it, but I have never liked the V series form factor. The Note 5 / 7 / 8 has been a perfect fit for me, and I have not had an issue with the phone so I don't know what you could be referring to regarding many issues. Having a TGSP (or lack thereof) isn't really an issue, and the Whitestone are not perfect (I and a few others have lines forming in the upper right corner of the glue) but are very good.
I do wish I had a root with no drawbacks so I can enable the free hotspot under my grandfathered unlimited plan (I need VoLTE and Wireless calling so I can't use the unlocked firmware) but it's far from a deal breaker.
I was at the Verizon store the other day and had a chance to take a look at the Pixel 2 and PIxel 2 XL. The differences between the Note 8 and Pixel 2 screens are unbelievable. The Pixel 2 screen is washed out and the colors are badly muted. I played with as many settings as I could find, but could not make it much better. Perhaps it was just a problem with the four Pixel 2 devices that they had. Maybe I just didn't find the correct settings for it. Whatever the case, the screens looked terrible on the Pixel 2s that I saw.
After seeing the differences between the screens alone, there is no way that I would ever use a Pixel 2 over my Note 8. The screen on the Note 8 is amazing.
I am now a proud owner of the Note 8. I bought it Saturday. So far I am quite happy. I still need to test it at the boat but it has done well around time. I didn't even waste my time looking at the XL 2. I read too many bad things about it.
Thx for the replies.
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I highly recommend you go with the Note 8. That's the first thing I'll say here to quickly summarize everything I'm going to answer.
1. Cellular reception really depends on various factors, but with the latest chipset on most flagship phones today, they're able draw signal and fast speeds. Without WiFi, that really depends on if Verizon set up more towers with better ranges near your area.
2. I've always been a root kind of guy until I got into the S7 Edge. Continuing from there with the Note 8, root is NOT necessary. It has overall great battery life and bloatware is NOT an issue to be annoyed by anymore. You can remove/disable apps easily with stock software. No need for battery savers or data cleaners because all they do is drain your battery as well.
3. What "many" issues have you seen about this phone? It's not as problematic as the Pixel 2 XL as you've said, and the LG V30 has it's fair issue of screen problems too. The Note 8, despite my little issues, is an amazing beast that I would hang onto for 3 years at least. This phone is the greatest at being the powerhouse it is and it will definitely last.
That's my 2 cents about it.
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Ditto
- R. Kruse Ludington:
Galaxy Note 8<-5<-3<-S3<-Nexus; Droid X; HTC HD2<-Touch Pro 2<-Tilt<-8525; O2 XDA II<-XDA
Finally decided to take TMO up on their $800 Trade-In Offer on my P6_Pro & Upgraded to the S22 Ultra 512 gb
(SM-S908U1).
No more seeing me 'round Pixel Town...Safe Journeys, es
Best of luck
Yeah, enjoy your new phone! Also, come back if you can ever get that thing rooted and stuff =). That (and the interface design) is primarily what is holding me back from Samsung phones - but I'm not sure if that has recently changed.
I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!
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I actually traded my s22 ultra for this p6pro and it was the best decision I ever made, hands down!
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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?
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Did the difference relate to what I had mentioned in my comment above?
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So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless (which is just the beginning) I am finding it less and less worthwhile to have an Android device, which I've had now for 15 years. I use a Mac for computing and I'm beginning to wonder whether I do the same for my phone. I'm so sick of Google's crappy products and customer service. I just might join you before the value of this phone nose dives.
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So, I was just thinking to myself last night that after they the introduction of the new aggressive security API that detects root and renders my Gpay useless
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*Cough* *cough* not true *cough* =)
Actually, wait, I missed the beginning sentence that you wrote and noticed it after I quoted it and posted my reply. So, it might be true. My apologies. When does that security API roll out?
It's out. I posted earlier a link to the discussion on GitHub. Oddly enough, not all users have been affected yet. Then again, that makes sense given the range of variables. I can't even use my craigslist app because I can't pass the newly imposed tests.
I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.
Good call on the switch to T-Mo. I just did the same last month and very happy I did
That's tight, I like that one!
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I decided to dump the stock rom in favor of Pixel Experience, unrooted. I now have nearly all of the features I want including face unlock and zero problems.
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Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.
Can't pinpoint when but over the last couple iterations of stock Android it's felt more like changes have been made for the sake of change rather than the benefit of the end user.
This is most apparent on the stock ROM. Everything was designed to be in your face constantly and I hate it so I'm running something else as of late.
I'm still not a fan of the new QS. My Pixel hasn't changed that. It's ugly, it's inconsistent (even on the 13 beta).
The fact of the matter is custom ROMs have always been better than nearly any carrier/OEM variation of Android and it just so happened that as I went back from OnePlus to a Pixel that development for Pixels would totally go down the drain relative to prior models.
That's partially because Google trashed the UI at its core and reversing that would take extensive work that just isn't worth the time.
This is the quickest I have ever gotten kind of annoyed with a device and it's completely unrelated to the hardware. The hardware of the 6, in spite of numerous criticisms, has always been great to me but Android as software is just... Dying in my eyes.
They get away with it as it's still more flexible as a platform than iOS but honestly they can only go so far.
If things don't improve either with 14 next year or with OnePlus doing a complete turn around in software, I'm out. I'll look more into the buggy affairs of Linux smartphones.
I have the luxury of having the 6 pro and the note 20 ultra, so when I am fed up with the six pro being goofy or glitchy I can switch back to that and generally enjoy it but have always been a fan of the nexus, pixel line so no matter how which it is I find myself wanting to come back. Lately considering ditching the 6 pro myself and considering the OP9 pro on special... Flashing 13 beta kind of help. The new visuals seem really cool but definitely made Android auto even quirkier. Maybe I should just consider the rooting and romming stuff again, but haven't really messed up it since maybe my OnePlus 7 pro
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Comments like this amaze me. The implementation of Face Unlock on these ROMs is the same as on cheap Chinese phones. It is not secure and it's a gimmick.
Also, I want a phone that works out of the box. Swapping ROMs gets old fast nowadays and unless one is a developer experimenting, it's not worth the hassle and the bugs for most.
If the camera on the S23 is as good as it promises to be, I'd be done with the P6P. Or go to the iPhone 14 and get the best battery life with everything turned on.
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I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released
As an owner of both the S22U and the P6P, I prefer the P6P.
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I wouldn't go to an iPhone if they gave me a case of them for free.
The only issue I have with my P6P is how hot it gets when charging, the loss of audio for notifications when I connect to the BT in my work van, the poor radio for both 5G and LTE in weaker signal areas and the wretched battery life
I'm curious to see how P7P is with Android 13, which is how I'll probably go in October when it's released
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I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.
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I'm having the same issues plus I can never get a full signal even in a strong signal area where both my tablet and my other phone which is an S22 get a full signal, my previous phone on my other line was a OnePlus 10 Pro. Lost 40% battery in just a couple hours yesterday while getting our daughter moved into her dorm room and I didn't use the phone at all and it got really warm. I also have an issue with really slow data on this phone. I am not a fan of any of that. I like the but hate all the issues.
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I don’t really have issues with data speeds. But I’m usually in 5G so I’m pretty solitaire but the problem is if I’m in like one bar 5G, forget about it I can’t load a website. Same thing with one bar of LTE. And the problems I listed are you know, pretty profound. They’re not all bad but the battery life is absolutely horrifying. I’m a tech for Dish Network and if I get you a job with 100% strength and it takes 2 1/2 hours to do the job when I’m done I’m at like 70%.
At the end of the day though, I just can’t buy into Samsung and all that bloat wear. My daughter has an S 22 ultra. It’s a hell of a nice phone call man there’s just so much extra junk on there.