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We're all here because we want better roms than what our phones came with, upgraded roms etc. Idealy we'd want the most stable version with the last junk so it's the most responsive. As I upgraded more and more roms, I started to feel that the phone is showing it's age in processing power, and just like computers, you can't just install a newer stronger OS on older hardware, at some point you aren't gaining performance, you start to lose it because the hardware is struggling to keep up. I went from stock to 4.2 roms, then 4.4 roms, (pacman, mokee, CM, etc etc ). I eventually went back to 4.4 stock and it gave me the least trouble and quite snappy. Of course it had the OEM bloat from Verizon. Its been going strong for maybe a year, and now it too is starting to crash with a lot of bugs, probably from installing so many apps, but also I see a lot of built in apps taking up memory. So my main question is, if you still the Razr M and still using roms, what have you settled with ? What has been the most stable and fastest for you so far? For me so far it turned out to be the stock 4.4.2. So my options are to start over again with a fresh 4.4.2 or maybe a stripped 4.4.2, or one of the new 5.1 builds. I mainly use it for Navigation + music + calls, generally nav + music at the same time. Someone mentioned that CM12.1 couldn't handle that because of memory issues so that scared me off, but I love the CM12.1 on my galaxy tab pro. I do use the Bluetooth when im riding, and the camera from time to time, and the stock just had everything working.
If I can't find a stable build/rom, it might be time for me to move on to a newer quad core 2ghz + phone, browsing on the razer m is ok, but admittedly a little slow. The battery isn't what it used to, but it still gets through the day, and there are (albeit dodgy quality ) replacement batteries on amazon to hold out longer... The phone was basically free over 2 years ago, I've never been one to shell out $300 for a phone, but that oneplus one is mighty tempting to switch carriers for. ATT failed me on signal at this house so Verizon has been great, but i'd be willing to try tmobile if im forced to pick a new phone.
TLDR: Which rom has been the most stable for you ? ( rom name and build/version ).
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So my main question is, if you still the Razr M and still using roms, what have you settled with ? What has been the most stable and fastest for you so far?.
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Stock 4.1.2 (with uninstalled bloatware), as 4.4.2 has broken audio on (some?) Rev.B phones.
I have been on stock jelly bean, rooted stock kitkat (debloated with permissions removed for batt life), cm12.1 (our device is just too limited) and now cm11 snapshot 12 on kitkat boot loader. So far cm11 is my favorite.
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For me stock kitkat debloated runs smoother, although is very sluggish sometimes: for example when I'm swapping messenger, whatsapp and running music player at the same time, it's almost impossible...
Ice tested cm when was 5.0,and was terrible. Pac man Kk, not as good as stock.
Sorry for this ugly link, I'm on my phone, but this post and the thread overall has a lot of good tips:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53724034&postcount=17
In the last 2 and a half years I've been through:
Stock 4.1.2 (rooted after 1 day, debloated, Safestrap)
Eclipse Rom v1.2 (Safestrap)
CM10.1 (Unlocked BL)
CM10.2 (Unlocked BL)
CM11 (Unlocked BL, JB Kernel)
Stock 4.4.2 (rooted, debloated)
CM11 (Unlocked BL, KK Kernel)
CM12.1 (Unlocked BL, KK Kernel)
Best user experience for me? Sad to say but I had it with the Stock 4.1.2: overall smoother than all the rest. Then after some months my Razr M started a bootloop, so I unlocked the bootloader and tryed the CM ROM: the CM Power Widgets were an overkill at the time (mainly the 2G/3G toggle)...
After all the CM ROM that I've used, the second place goes to CM11 (with JB BL).
Right now I'm testing the latest CM12.1 builds, and they seems ok. I've installed onlyt the apps that are strictly necessary to me (gmail, maps, onenote, osmand, dropbox, wikipedia, Room Toolbox Pro, SuperSu, calendar, meteo, etc...). Everithing seems fine but I liked more the old KK style (lockscreen, quick settings). Everything is working, even if sometimes the data, Wifi and GPS signals are erratic. The performance are acceptable too.
So far a vote for CM11, and stock unlocked debloated. That's what i was heading towards too, stock debloat, and probably 4.1 it still has the best performance really. I mean the custom roms look great and all, but at the cost of performance which, after the initial wow factor, I think we would all prefer performance. Back when I had my HTC my favorite and most stable rom was jacko's most basic slim version ( he had like 1-5 tiers of peformance and features ). If I go back to stock and it lasts me another year or two i'll take it.
I'm trying out CM11 Snapshot 12 right now. I was already on 4.4.2 stock with unlocked kk bootloader so it made sense to try it first. Its already a lot smoother than what it was, freeing up half the memory. I noticed the dialer doesn't go all the way up sometimes, you have to push back and hit the keypad icon again. Otherwise very smooth so far. I'll report back after I get some use out of it and if I ever decide to go back to 4.1. I might need a new battery though, if I'm using it it doesn't last through a day.
*Update - I went from having basically no free memory left to about 50% free memory. I think my battery life increased dramatically with so much less running in the background. Maybe by 20-50%.
I took one phone call and updated a few apps, about mid day through the work day. was 12h by the end of the day and a few calls and some browsing w/o having to charge. Definitely gave new life to the phone. Very minor dialer bugs, sometimes the number pad doesn't come up correctly the first time.
Android 4.1 has various security issues that won't be fixed anymore, so that's not really an option.
But I don't think there are big differences in battery life anyway (see this).
After testing a lot of CM11, using Performance settings, changing memory settings, having a very poor battery performance, I've come back to the 4.4 backup with all the apps I had. The difference was incredible, now my phone feels snappier than an iPhone, and sincerely, i don't know why!! I think that doing a restore sometimes can help a lot.
Yeah the last time I did a fresh install of 4.4.2 stock it was great. After a while though with all my apps installed + the oem bloat the phone had very little memory left and became sluggish. My best options right now seem like going back to stock, either 4.1 or 4.4 and trying to do manual debloat.
I did a fresh install of CM11 again but still didn't fix it. I still had the occasional dialer error and wifi would only work upon boot, after disabling, it never reconnects to any wifi. Battery was still horrible. I went back to stock 4.4.2. RSlite would not work on any version on windows 8.1 64 bit. I had to do msfastbootv2 and was able to restore to stock 4.4.2 However upon booting, it wanted to update to 183.84.15 but failing. It would say there's an update, download it, reboot, and automatically boot into recovery. I would select reboot and it boots in, sometimes saying update complete but it hasnt' actually updated anything. I eventually gave up and started over, this time using stock recovery, not logging into my google account so it doesn't start downloading all my apps, no supersu, no gapps, and it successfully updated to 183.81.15. At that point using mfastbootv2 I installed twrp 2.8.5, rebooted into recovery, installed gapps and supersu. Then used titan to debloat using http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-razr-m/general/complete-debloat-list-droid-razr-m-t3045731 , removed most of the things on that list, particularly anything I didn't use that I saw running. I also installed Greenify. After about a day I started noticing the google play services issue using a majority of my battery. I downloaded App Ops to disable google play services wake permissions. I am amazed at what happened. I feel like I have the original batteries back. I received 2-3 short calls today, and 2 browsing sessions, installed some apps (facebook lite), and I still have a lot of battery left, normally it would be over half gone. Going home after that much use and still having over 70% of battery left is nothing short of amazing and I no longer feel like getting a new phone. I was very close to trying the Droid Turbo.
TLDR: Got original usage/battery back with stock 4.4.2 + debloat (backup & Uninstall with titanium ) + App ops to fix google services wake battery drain + Greenify. I don't know how much Greenify is doing, I attribute most of my gains from debloat + fixing the google services issue. Before App Ops you'd see a giant bar at the top of Google Services instead of screen.
Still odd you having WiFi issues. I don't I did learn recently that my Bluetooth does not seem to be fully functional.
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So far, all I've tried (and stuck with) are stock 4.1, stock 4.4.2, and CM 12/12.1.
Stock ROMs were fairly snappy, but I was always a little fearful (irrationally, but still) of trying to debloat while on 4.4 (and I remain fearful of downgrading the bootloader). This is my daily driver, though, and it must remain so until I become eligible for a newer phone in December (or I can pick up something better, used, for extremely cheap ...).
I have been toughing it out on CM 12 since late January. I like several of Lollipop's UI changes and new features (as well as CM's additions over stock), so despite some frustrations with bugs and somewhat-laggy performance, I haven't felt terribly compelled to try CM 11, or to go back to stock 4.4.2. (At least, not all the time; there have been moments of extremely slow response times where I've wanted to wipe /system right then and there and flash CM 11. I have stuck with 12 so far in hopes of improvements on the way to the first snapshot.)
Also, vo_danh, I was the one who reported about the issue with simultaneously running Maps and Play Music. I don't think I've ever gotten a phone call while trying to run those, but suffice to say that I have enough trouble with (occasional) lag when a call comes in.
If you're already on the kk boot loader like me, you don't need to downgrade the boot loader for cm11. Its been almost a week and i am still just amazed at how well this config is working for me. The battery life is like new again. Don't be afraid of debloating with titanium, since you can back it up first before unisntalling, if anything goes wrong, simply reinstall the backup. As a safety, after I restored to stock 4.4.2, updated to 183.84.15 OTA, I created a TWRP backup, so if anything goes wrong I can just restore it with TWRP instead of doing through all the steps to go back to stock. I didn't remove everything that was on that debloat list, just most things from verizon or anything I raw under 'running' list that I didn't need. It's so stable and fast. I would only move to a stock + debloat rom now for this phone for now. If I had a stronger phone there's no doubt i'd be using Cm12.1 but for now, this phone isn't meant to handle it smoothly and the wifi issues i had with Cm11 just make it not worth it. All wifi issues are gone now on stock. I didn't have wifi issues on any of the other roms either.
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We're all here because we want better roms than what our phones came with...
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1. One that the phone came with, with a little tweaking. 4.1.2 deodexed and debloated. Best usability and battery life. Slows down with heavy games tho so i unlocked the BL.
2. KK debloated. 4.4.2 i think. better in many respects but I sorely miss the Jb camera. It was wonderful. Battery life had come down a couple of notches.
3. Currently running the Bliss rom (5.1). My earpiece and mic doesn't work with the latest update. lol.
Edit: Call issues in the Bliss rom have been fixed. It's a solid rom and deserves a strong recommendation.
I just bought a oneplus 3 (offerup $200 use). Havent been in the rooting scene for a while thanx to the gs7 edge. Now that i do have a device that can be root and bootloader unlock i know there're great support.
The thing is, this device seems the snappier device i ever own. Little to non bloware and really fast. Cant imaging been faster. There any reason to root this device. If u did. Why and what rom r u using?
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I just bought a oneplus 3 (offerup $200 use). Havent been in the rooting scene for a while thanx to the gs7 edge. Now that i do have a device that can be root and bootloader unlock i know there're great support.
The thing is, this device seems the snappier device i ever own. Little to non bloware and really fast. Cant imaging been faster. There any reason to root this device. If u did. Why and what rom r u using?
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i am using the freedom os because of its preinstaled apps like xposed, viper4android, a theme engine. basicaly stuff that i could not get working on OOS. and there is supose to be better battery life i havent seen that (maybe because of my extreme usage). i get 4hrs SOT
eduardmc said:
I just bought a oneplus 3 (offerup $200 use). Havent been in the rooting scene for a while thanx to the gs7 edge. Now that i do have a device that can be root and bootloader unlock i know there're great support.
The thing is, this device seems the snappier device i ever own. Little to non bloware and really fast. Cant imaging been faster. There any reason to root this device. If u did. Why and what rom r u using?
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The OP3 is the first phone that I didn't root to achieve extra performance, but to improve Android. After using a rooted phone for the last 2 years I can't live without AdAway and a combination of Greenify/Disable Wakelock/Xposed/Amplify to control what my phone is doing, not to mention really useful things like Tasker, customizing the Alert Slider and many many more. Nowadays, flagship phones aren't rooted for performance.
That being said, I am disappointed by the responsiveness of the OP3. On OOS 3.2.7 it is LESS responsive than my 2year old OnePlus One running CM14.1 nightly. Disappointing, but getting my hopes up for when the CM14.1 nightlies for the OP3 get good. Which is the biggest plus point in my opinion - software updates. If you have root, you can have the newest version of Android anyday, not having to wait for OnePlus to update it (which they take way too much time for).
All in all, if you know what you are doing, root your phone. It is worth it.
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The OP3 is the first phone that I didn't root to achieve extra performance, but to improve Android. After using a rooted phone for the last 2 years I can't live without AdAway and a combination of Greenify/Disable Wakelock/Xposed/Amplify to control what my phone is doing, not to mention really useful things like Tasker, customizing the Alert Slider and many many more. Nowadays, flagship phones aren't rooted for performance.
That being said, I am disappointed by the responsiveness of the OP3. On OOS 3.2.7 it is LESS responsive than my 2year old OnePlus One running CM14.1 nightly. Disappointing, but getting my hopes up for when the CM14.1 nightlies for the OP3 get good. Which is the biggest plus point in my opinion - software updates. If you have root, you can have the newest version of Android anyday, not having to wait for OnePlus to update it (which they take way too much time for).
All in all, if you know what you are doing, root your phone. It is worth it.
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U got me pretty much convince to root mine. The only other stock android experience for me has been nexus 6p and this phone stock is much faster and fluid. Im concern about instability of using a rom like CM or other rom that has so many tweak to improve it but mess uo other things. Have u try cm14.1. Or how about CM.13 how solid is that right now?
I'm not rooted....running community build stock...3.5.5 is stable, great performance...get 5hr SOT with 15% left...over 24 hrs... phone is a great performer...
I root all of my Android devices, tablets and phone, primary for customizations and backup. I like having a full nandroid backup incase something ever goes wrong. This way I am assured that I can recover to a previous working state. I know you can often find factory image out there for just about any phone, but I will also backup at a point in time once I have everything exactly as I like. Again, this allows me to roll back to exactly how things were before I started tinkering. Running Xposed and theming, is another big reason to root. However fiddling with these can sometimes go bad so having a nandroid backup is handy.
For me, I am still running stock on 3.2.7. I find it extremely fast and stable. Been looking at the other roms, but have not found a need to switch from stock yet. I am getting 4 - 5 hrs SOT consistently, stock so again, have not found compelling need to switch roms, but am playing with different Xposed modules so that alone is reason to root.
Oh yes for sure... Adaway alone makes it worthwhile
Also check out Android explained on YouTube.. Very well explained, instead of just following some tutorial and not really understanding... Android explained breaks everything down so now I have an understanding of how my device operates.
There's a lot of great stuff you can do with root. For me the best features are: much better battery life, GUI customization, and OGYoutube (basically YT Red for free, and yes, there's a nonroot version but the root is better).
Root....
IT bus corp guy and like others said AdAway, Youtube ad blocker, TB to backup apps and be able to save app come back previous version when dev mess it it....all just a must have for me.
I am on Resurrection Rom not OOS so still have that Android Nexus experience since I came from 6P and not slow with any responses...quick, stable
Install xposed and enjoy Google assistant, N-ify, YouTube background player etc.
Personally i'm not rooted, for the first time in years, someone earlier mentioned nandroid backups they require TWRP but not root.
My concern with rooting is the updates. I hate setting up the phone after clean install since we dont have anything like icloud. I know ubcan dirty flash the updates but there so much there up to a point that u would have to clean install and update. Like going from MM to nougat. Quote if im wrong but i havent been in the rooting scene for a while. I remember titanium backup use to break alot of things when i did a restore
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My concern with rooting is the updates. I hate setting up the phone after clean install since we dont have anything like icloud. I know ubcan dirty flash the updates but there so much there up to a point that u would have to clean install and update. Like going from MM to nougat. Quote if im wrong but i havent been in the rooting scene for a while. I remember titanium backup use to break alot of things when i did a restore
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I have used Titanium Backup once, didn't work at all, I was really disappointed. Although this was years ago, I never tried it again and don't want to. Anyway - when switching ROMs, I always make sure that Whatsapp syncs everything with the cloud, all accounts in the 'accounts' setting menu of the system have synced, that my Google Photos are synced and then copy pretty much everything from /root/sdcard (your internal memory) to my computer. Then I completely wipe my phone (= wipe system+data+cache+internal storage), install the new ROM, boot it once to see howwell its working, power it down, factory reset it (wiping data) and then copy all of the data of my computer back to the phone, set everything up with my google account and let google download everything. If you have correctly configured the app-backup function of Google, then everything will be about 95% the same, and nothing will be missing. Be sure not to forget to make a TWRP backup of EVERYTHING before full-wiping the phone, so you can always go back if you really need to.
I prefer this method to anything else because you will never any problems with restoring from the cloud or performance issues of certain file-structures being different or whatever. It is clean and works.
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eduardmc said:
U got me pretty much convince to root mine. The only other stock android experience for me has been nexus 6p and this phone stock is much faster and fluid. Im concern about instability of using a rom like CM or other rom that has so many tweak to improve it but mess uo other things. Have u try cm14.1. Or how about CM.13 how solid is that right now?
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I have not tried CM13, and I will ait until sultanxda brings his goodness to CM14.1, then I will switch but - as I have used sultanxda's ROMs on my OnePlus One I can definately recommend t Install his version of CM13 on the OnePlus 3 instead of the nightlies, his optimisations und his update frequency are fantastic and he is a great ROM maker. His ROMs on the OnePlus One made me rediscover the full potential of the device, it's truly amazing.
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I have used Titanium Backup once, didn't work at all, I was really disappointed. Although this was years ago, I never tried it again and don't want to. Anyway - when switching ROMs, I always make sure that Whatsapp syncs everything with the cloud, all accounts in the 'accounts' setting menu of the system have synced, that my Google Photos are synced and then copy pretty much everything from /root/sdcard (your internal memory) to my computer. Then I completely wipe my phone (= wipe system+data+cache+internal storage), install the new ROM, boot it once to see howwell its working, power it down, factory reset it (wiping data) and then copy all of the data of my computer back to the phone, set everything up with my google account and let google download everything. If you have correctly configured the app-backup function of Google, then everything will be about 95% the same, and nothing will be missing. Be sure not to forget to make a TWRP backup of EVERYTHING before full-wiping the phone, so you can always go back if you really need to.
I prefer this method to anything else because you will never any problems with restoring from the cloud or performance issues of certain file-structures being different or whatever. It is clean and works.
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I have not tried CM13, and I will ait until sultanxda brings his goodness to CM14.1, then I will switch but - as I have used sultanxda's ROMs on my OnePlus One I can definately recommend t Install his version of CM13 on the OnePlus 3 instead of the nightlies, his optimisations und his update frequency are fantastic and he is a great ROM maker. His ROMs on the OnePlus One made me rediscover the full potential of the device, it's truly amazing.
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Last question. Any bugs that needs to be fix from the CM 13 rom
Not for me. I am no longer OCD about my phone.. don't care what color the signal strength font is, etc... The phone works so well stock, that there isn't much I would change other than adding some functionality with the camera and some good video editing software...
I played with a few ROMs, they were ok, but once the newness wore off(2 days) I went back to stock, and am now running the Community builds and like them the best.
Fast, stable, great battery life... no complaints...
Hello all,
I may get teased a little bit for this one - but I am a bit of a traditionalist. Even as an IT guy, I tend to shy away from custom, enhanced or otherwise modified ISOs of windows. Not because I am afraid of them... I just like the "stock" look. I would like to stick to the same thing on my phone.
I am still running the stock version of my ATT firmware, 4.x.x. I like it just fine, and it suits my needs for the most part - (Other than the ATT bloatware that crashes constantly for several minutes upon reboot)
However, my device is beginning to slow down and I find myself using Chrome more and more because the older stock browser does not seem to want to render some sites very well. I expect it is only a matter of time before I start running into "sorry, you cannot run this app" type of issues.
So on to my questions....
1. Will upgrading to 6.x or 7.x improve the performance on my device?
2. If so, I see there are a ton of apps to choose from. Is there one specifically that is "less modified" or at least enables some sort of "gotta-have-it" functionality?
3. Can you elaborate on why you chose to move from the stock rom? I understand there are alot of "testers" on this forum who like to play with things. However, my phone is used heavily for work purposes. Simplicity and Stability remain key drivers for me.
Changing to a custom ROM may improve some areas of performance while decreasing in others such as battery life, camera, and stability.
By apps, I assume you mean roms. I can't make any recommendations as I have not had a note 2 for a few years but I have found that custom ROMs based off a stock rom are pretty stable. I always like to start with a very bare-bones ROM and add functionality via apps as needed.
I have moved to custom ROMs in the past when apps won't run on the phone's stock rom.
I've run my note 2 on DN3 for a number of years. You can still find a link to the thread in this forum and you will need to root your n2.
Not hard. 1 advantage is you can remove the bloat and it's still a rom that runs well on our device since it was built for our device in it's prime.
If you have any questions send a PM. Happy to help.
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Hello all,
I may get teased a little bit for this one - but I am a bit of a traditionalist. Even as an IT guy, I tend to shy away from custom, enhanced or otherwise modified ISOs of windows. Not because I am afraid of them... I just like the "stock" look. I would like to stick to the same thing on my phone.
I am still running the stock version of my ATT firmware, 4.x.x. I like it just fine, and it suits my needs for the most part - (Other than the ATT bloatware that crashes constantly for several minutes upon reboot)
However, my device is beginning to slow down and I find myself using Chrome more and more because the older stock browser does not seem to want to render some sites very well. I expect it is only a matter of time before I start running into "sorry, you cannot run this app" type of issues.
So on to my questions....
1. Will upgrading to 6.x or 7.x improve the performance on my device?
2. If so, I see there are a ton of apps to choose from. Is there one specifically that is "less modified" or at least enables some sort of "gotta-have-it" functionality?
3. Can you elaborate on why you chose to move from the stock rom? I understand there are alot of "testers" on this forum who like to play with things. However, my phone is used heavily for work purposes. Simplicity and Stability remain key drivers for me.
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Hello. A straight question.
Those of you that use the Z5P, what is your current favorite setup? and why?
I'm looking for a rom that gives me some freedoms. to add things like cpu control, ad blocking. but without losing the ability to use apps that fail when they detect root on the device. such as banking apps and some games.
I enjoy the features of having magisk or SuperSU, being able to add a couple of apps that completely change the experience of using my phone. but at the cost of losing security and functionality of apps I may use daily its a hard choice.
I've been looking around for a complete solution to try and get both options. be able to use my phone, with safetynet, google play certified. apps all working without errors of root being found, .. and to have root access for those all important adblocking and cpu management apps that just wont work without root.
Is there such a rom?
Lately I've used that Mrom thats been updated recently. its a very good solid rom (plus its great to see active development on the Z5P forums again). a few small issues, that i'm sure will be fixed over time. but safetynet does not pass, and playstore is not certified, games and apps detect root, even with magisk hide enabled correctly.
i've tried using lineage for a while, smooth. very nice rom. shame though that the visual enhancements for the screen, camera and sound are not available because its only able to be used in stock roms due to those DRM keys sony have hidden away on our devices. so a major function of the phone, being a music device, and a camera, I'd like to keep those features if i can.
What roms / kernels make your Z5 worth keeping.
Thank you for your time.
Pat.
Hi wise guys.
Does anyone know how to fix/avoid the banking apps problems on this device?
Mine is unrooted, like from factory, just full of apps and the MIUI crashes or slows down the phone from time to time (every 15-30minutes for 30s) and sometimes it just reboots for no reason.
Also, is there any bloatwareless ROM like the good EU roms for the mi5s?
It's a shame that xiaomi is adding crapware that screws with the user experience!
Thx