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I'm new to CDMA/EVDO carriers, so I'd appreciate if you could answer some questions with regarding to the technology, Verizon and Droid Incredible itself.
A little bit of a background here. I'm using Nexus One on T-Mobile. Coverage in Chicago has been o.k., but Nexus One itself has reception problem which Google seems to have stopped working on it. I'm planning to get a Mifi from Verizon soon as I need internet connection when I start to travel more.
But I have other idea, getting Droid Incredible, and drop T-Mobile. Tether it with my laptop while I'm on the go.
1:Would it be possible to use data & voice at the same time?
2:I'm planning to get PdaNet or some other app to tether it with my laptop. Should I worry about extra charge from Verizon?
3:What's the difference between corporate (44.99) and smartphone (29.99) data plan? I just need to reach IMAPS,HTTP,HTTPS, and PPTP(GRE) servers. Does Verizon block these on $29.99 plan? (Verizon sales are clueless. They just said $44.99 for business "like big business", and $29.99 is for personal use.
4:Rooting this phone. I assume that it's just the matter of time before it's released. But will there be any problem with Verizon?
5:Given Verizon history about being anal about controlling their phones. Did they block features on previous android handsets in the past? (i.e. no file xfer via BT, pics can only be sent via MMS, etc. etc.)
TIA for your answers. Given Verizon reputation of nickel & dime customers, I'm a little hesitated to switch to Verizon. But for now, it seems to make economical sense to do so, so I just wanted to make sure I understand what I'm signing up for.

1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone

invisiblek said:
1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone
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Actually you can't use voice and data at the same time on VZW, but how often do you really need to?

1. No
2. PDANet will work fine - or once rooted you might not even need that. It's against Verizon's TOS to tether, but as long as you don't abuse it they won't know.
3. Get the cheaper plan - the more expensive plan is just a way for them to milk corp customers. You can use Exchange/etc with the cheaper plan.
4. You should be able to root it no problem once the devs get on it.
5. I don't think so - that's in Verizon's past for Smartphones. Heck I had a Motorola Q years ago on Verizon and I could do whatever I pleased...even tethering with PDANet...

about high prices
Thats why im staying with my nexous one
my wife is with verizon and we got her phone today and its really nice i cant tell at all a difference between the nexous one and the droid but
there basically the same phones
the nexous one is faster but then again it rooted
but i only pay $80 month for unlimited and she is paying $129 for unlimited
i dont care what i paid for my nexous im off contract and dont have to pay 129 dollars a month

I'll hijack the thread for a little question I have and I don't want to open another thread for it.
Are you able to use the widgets that were introduced with the stock 2.1? For example that News & Weather widget or are they fully replaced / not integrated by HTC in the Sense UI?
If not, are you able to add them with apps or alternative OS versions through rooting?

Thanks for the answers guys.
@Zabil : Quite often (when I travel). This is quite an important issue if I am getting this phone as "phone + data card" combo to save $$$
@sn95chico : I've had some problem with incoming call being diverted to voice mail due to background data (GSM, not WCDMA) recently. Just in case you experience this problem, check this thread out : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6301190
I read somewhere that for CDMA/1x/EVDO, your phone will still ring when data transfer is in progress, it will only be interrupted once you hit the answer button. This is first and only technological edge that CDMA has over GSM network, IMO. I've always been a fan of GSM/WCDMA network. --- (WCDMA network supports concurrent voice/data. Too bad that there's no 100% WCDMA network in US)
Since concurrent data + voice is impossible, it doesn't make much sense for me to switch to this phone yet. I might just get Verizon or Sprint mifi and be done with it.

[Q] Android on TP2 mess up data plan for Tmobile

I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
Thanks

TMO might be upset that you're using an Android phone on a non-Android data plan...
Not sure, my carrier (Sprint) couldn't care less - at least I haven't had any issues or complaints from their side, and everything "just works" for me. Might want to contact your provider - I wouldn't tell them what you're doing per se, just that you're getting the error and where is it coming from. If they start asking questions about Android... not sure where that'll take you. Since you're not flashing a ROM, technically I don't think it's against their use policy, but again that's really up to your provider - and possibly the rep you get

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I wonder if anyone has encountered the situation that using Android on Tmobile TP2 messed up the 5.99 Tzone data plan. I tried Android in the past but it seems to mess up the data plan. I will get error message that you phone cannot use this data plan and ask me to upgrade. I have to turn off the phone for a while and restart in WM to be able to use the data plan again.
Thanks
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You have to change the APN. You're probably set to epc.tmobile.com as your server. You need to change it to internet2.voicestream.com. That's basically how t-mobile determines which plan you have. internet2 is what non "smart phone" devices use. I've been doinking with it constantly. Also, if you upgrade to the recent froyo x, you'll see the "simple" APN. This is set up completely perfect for tmobile users. Set it as your default.

I haven't seen anyone mentioned this in the TP2 Android forum and I thought it is just me. I never think of modifying the apn. Thanks you all for answering by question.

Yep they're catching on apparently, been playing for the last 7 months or so without a problem and now I get redirect to internet and suggested TMo plans for Android use. What the heck, like a persons sucking Tmo dry playing occasionally right (thought I was cheap), like wise bounce back to windows I'm ok light off the droid - done, none of the "switch to's" trip them up, helluva watch dog they got, lol. Fun while it lasted Wifi good, but really need my EMails

Q: No Data if Not Activated?

Hello. I am wondering if someone here might be able to clear something up for me. I bought a new EVO 4G off eBay a few days ago. I called Sprint to verify the ESN is clean.
The thing is, I don't have any intention to activate this phone, rather I bought it as a toy, and because upon coming back to the US for a vacation a few weeks ago, I finally saw what it looks like in person and I had to have it (Yes, I like smartphones). Of course ironically it FINALLY released in Japan just days after I left but that's besides the point.
Anyway, I have the WiFi turned on and the phone has found my location for the HTC Sense weather widget, however the internet won't load and when I try to connect to Google to use the Marketplace and such, it says there is an error communicating with the servers, and that my phone might not be set up for data provision.
Someone please tell me that Sprint hasn't locked down this such that you can't even use the Wi-Fi until it's activated. Though I suspect that is indeed the case...
...and IF that is so, then am I correct in the understanding that flashing it with some custom ROM would solve the problem? I have never rooted a phone before, though I do own a number of unlocked ones (Nexus S, Xperia Play, etc) and so I had intended to try it out with this, since I can never actually use this as a phone. But perhaps it might be more of a necessity than I had expected.

Not sure if this will help you, but if you flash Warm Z, or any other of the froyo/sense 2.2 ROMs, during setup it will ask you if you want to use it on the data network or only on wifi.
Since you don't need 4g anyway, I would recommend checking it out. One of my favorite ROMs.
Rooting links:
This one is harder, but you will know more when you're done:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
Easier/know less:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787304

TokyoGuy said:
Hello. I am wondering if someone here might be able to clear something up for me. I bought a new EVO 4G off eBay a few days ago. I called Sprint to verify the ESN is clean.
The thing is, I don't have any intention to activate this phone, rather I bought it as a toy, and because upon coming back to the US for a vacation a few weeks ago, I finally saw what it looks like in person and I had to have it (Yes, I like smartphones). Of course ironically it FINALLY released in Japan just days after I left but that's besides the point.
Anyway, I have the WiFi turned on and the phone has found my location for the HTC Sense weather widget, however the internet won't load and when I try to connect to Google to use the Marketplace and such, it says there is an error communicating with the servers, and that my phone might not be set up for data provision.
Someone please tell me that Sprint hasn't locked down this such that you can't even use the Wi-Fi until it's activated. Though I suspect that is indeed the case...
...and IF that is so, then am I correct in the understanding that flashing it with some custom ROM would solve the problem? I have never rooted a phone before, though I do own a number of unlocked ones (Nexus S, Xperia Play, etc) and so I had intended to try it out with this, since I can never actually use this as a phone. But perhaps it might be more of a necessity than I had expected.
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I can't say this with confidence, because my Evo hasn't been deactivated before, but as far as I understood it, you should be able to connec to WiFi, whether the phone is activated or not. You shouldn't need to be activated to use WiFi. When you connected to the WiFi network, did it connect successfully and show good signal strength?

How about formatting the phone and then turning on airplane mode and then wifi. It should work fine
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

Yes, being a used phone, I would highly recommend do a factory reset on it first. That way it will be clear of anything the previous owner might have done to it.
And yes, the phone will work on wifi only without a data plan, just make sure the phone is in airplane mode all the time, then turn the wifi on.

I had that happen to me with a old android when I did a factory rest you should have wifi but you can't use the market or gmail without a data plan from sprint at least I could not but I had a Samsung moment and it was rooted with a costume ROM on it I've never had my evo turned of so IDK..... If thats the case you can use other ways to get apps like Amazon or applanet thats what I did anyway......
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Thanks to everyone who provided assistance. A few things:
1. The phone was actually still sealed. The security stickers were still on the phone and the manual, and even the battery was still unopened. Furthermore the phone itself still had the plastic sheet over the screen in perfect condition (something I've not even got from so-called new unlocked phones) so unless the seller went through really great loops to make it look new, it is apparently new. Though I will format the memory just incase.
2. I turned on Airplane mode as everyone suggested, and then when I turned on WiFi it let me connect to the Android Marketplace actually.
Actually, can I ask one more question, though unrelated. I want someone to confirm this:
I have two different contract carriers with me here roaming (Docomo and Softbank), both on Android Phones (the Xperia Play unlocked and Desire HD locked respectively). I have the mobile data transmission set to off (no roaming), however the actual phone service is on roaming. Every time I turn on the phones I receive messages from the carriers about roaming charges for data. I want to confirm that if the data roaming is OFF, and it is on Wi-Fi always, there are no charges for anything other than if I were to make a phone call, is this correct? I am 99.999% sure this is true, but part of me is really worried about returning and seeing a $10,000 bill.

but you can't use the market or gmail without a data plan from sprint
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Yes you absolutely can. To the phone, a wifi connection is the same as a 3g connection, its just a way to access the internet.
I want to confirm that if the data roaming is OFF, and it is on Wi-Fi always, there are no charges for anything other than if I were to make a phone call, is this correct?
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You could still get charged for any texts/picture mail you receive, as those still go through the regular phone radio, not the data radio.

sitlet said:
Yes you absolutely can. To the phone, a wifi connection is the same as a 3g connection, its just a way to access the internet.
You could still get charged for any texts/picture mail you receive, as those still go through the regular phone radio, not the data radio.
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Drat...I've received a number of those actually, but all from the carriers themselves which I think might be free of charge.
Japan basically doesn't do SMS/MMS thus it's really not an issue. And while Softbank does to an extent, I can't seem to actually receive any while here, as it actually keeps saying I have undelivered mail.
But I am happy everyone here mentioned the Airplane Mode detail as I had no idea you could use Wi-Fi in it. I had been angry because there seemed like no way to shut off the cellular radio and that provided a solution.
Sorry if I seem paranoid, but I literally received a bill for $5400 last December due to a carrier mistake (and they actually had the nerve to accuse me of using an overseas phone when I CLEARLY was using a locked one) and ever since I have been scared about getting another. Currently Docomo is the only carrier in Japan that will allow unlocked phones to be used, though in doing so you are thus accepting that your data transmission charge will be capped at $120 a month instead of the normal $75 for its sanctioned (locked) products. But Japan is so far behind with smartphones I can't stand to use any of them.

Wifi or wait for LTE?

I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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Personally I'm just going to get the wifi version since there will be wifi at the places I mainly go to and in worst case scenario I can tether using my S4. I really don't see a need to get the LTE version and pay more monthly (unless when the devs here find a way to make calls with this and you want to make calls and stuff?)

Why not just tether it to your phone? Tethering to another android device usually doesn't count against a tethering limit.

It has tended to be the case in my Samsung tablet experience that there tends to be more options when it comes to rooting and custom ROMs with the wifi varients vs. carrier tied lte variants. A personal example: I first got an lte AT&T Note 8 due to a promotion that they had at the time. That tablet ended up getting stolen, and I replaced it with the wifi version. Looking back, while it sucked shelling out extra cash for a replacement tablet, my experience with the Note 8 was MUCH better due to the ability to easily root it and a couple of really nice custom ROMs that are immeasurably better than the stock ROM, while I don't think there even are any ROMs that can be flashed to the AT&T locked-down version. I think it's rootable, but that's a relatively recent development for a device that's been out as long as the Note 8 (I think, there's a thread on the subject but I haven't looked at it).
Of course, the my take on the matter is really only relevant if you plan on rooting / modifying the device, or at least having the ability to do so, the wifi variant (or international lte version, I guess) seems to generally be the way to go.
I'm lusting hard after the Tab S 8.4, but I'm going to wait a while and keep an eye on this subforum mostly to see how development goes, and a price drop or sale would be nice when that starts to happen for these. If I end up getting this tablet (seems likely, the specs are pretty much exactly what I was hoping for in the TabPro 8.4), I anticipate that I'll end up getting the wifi version, even if I have the opportunity to get the lte version for the same price (I'm on T-mobile now and they had a promotion where they were selling the lte variants of the Samsung tablets that they had (which sucked when I checked it out) for the same price as the wifi variant with 2 GB free data or something, but not sure if that's perpetual). I now have a Note 3 and Note 8, and I really only use the tablet at home, but if I wanted to use it elsewhere I would just tether it to my phone with unlimited data, and all is right with the world
tl;dr IMO the wifi variant is the way to go so that your device isn't tied to any carrier and likely more modifiable, if you care about that. If this was a major decision that you were making that I completely solved and/or you're ridiculously generous, PM me for my address for pre-ordering purposes

I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.

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I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.
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I would love to see a GPE version of the Galaxy Tab S LTE. I don't know why it's so hard to find an Android tablet with LTE that isn't owned by the carriers so I can get decent updates. All the international versions never support the proper LTE bands. The Nexus 7 LTE is the exception. I also have the AT&T Note 8.0 and the lack of updates is more than annoying.

V35 + Cricket = no paid hotspot. WTF? help...

For years I have used a Leeco with a custom ROM as a hotspot for the Android head unit in my car. Last month, I got a warning about hotspot use and decided to go legit. The hotspot data got funky after the warning.
->I bought an LG V35 direct from Cricket, carrier unlocked
->I upgraded 5 family lines to the "Cricket More" plan that includes 15GB of hotspot data
But Cricket blocks all except a short list of phones from hotspot use even with a paid plan. I spent about an hour on the phone and they basically offered me nothing except to return the phone. No BYOD phones will work as a hotspot either except for iPhones.
What can I do? Has anyone else run into this? The custom ROM Leeco basically didn't work after the warning. Is anyone successfully using a V35 with a custom ROM as a hotspot?
Thanks for any help.
10/6/2019 Resolution for anyone else with a similar Problem:
1. it is difficult/impossible to bootloader unlock and root a LG V35. But that's not apparently the issue here.
2. Cricket only supports wifi hotspot on a short list of phones and all else including BYOD rooted/custom ROM devices are throttled to the point of uselessness even with a paid hotspot plan.
3. PDAnet works well but didn't work for my Android car headunit even after every known update.
4. I am using EasyConnect, a point-to-point screen mirroring app over USB, on the head unit and its OK. Not great but good enough to not trash Cricket and look for a new carrier.
Thanks!

Since no one else has responded, I'll make an attempt. You are going down a lot of paths without gathering any info in advance. The v35 cannot be bootloader unlocked without specialized tools. Even if you bootloader unlock, there is limited developer support. TWRP has not been ported to the v35 and there are no custom roms. Hopefully this situation will change, but the prospects are dimming as time goes by.
You still MIGHT be able to get hotspot working. I say might because I am not familiar with Cricket. Many carrier's phones check for a tethering subscription before allowing the hotspot to be turned on. The rom on the phone communicates with the carrier to make the check. That MAY be the issue you are facing since Cricket is an arm of AT&T. If so, you can get around it by cross-flashing to the open market / Google Fi rom which won't do a subscription check. I did that with my AT&T branded v35. It works great on StraightTalk. Browse around in the threads in the v35 forums and you will find information about how to cross-flash.
Now back to the MIGHT part. Some carriers, Verizon for example, can detect tethering. They throttle hotspot speeds for Unlimited plans. Presumably they could just block hotspot traffic. I have tried everything to get around throttling to no avail.

I might be able to help here. I have a rooted essential phone on the unlimited data + hotspot Cricket plan. I am able to activate hotspot but it is severely throttled (128k by the looks of it). No fixes, not even fixes that use root, has changed this.
The only thing I have gotten to work is pdanet app ($8 in playstore, after 30 days). With it I am able to connect my laptop/tablets to my data plan, all while hiding the usage from Cricket. I am not sure if this will work with your head unit or if it's viable since you kind of got to jump through some hoops to get the stuff working but just thought I would chime in here.

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Since no one else has responded, I'll make an attempt. You are going down a lot of paths without gathering any info in advance. The v35 cannot be bootloader unlocked without specialized tools. Even if you bootloader unlock, there is limited developer support. TWRP has not been ported to the v35 and there are no custom roms. Hopefully this situation will change, but the prospects are dimming as time goes by.
You still MIGHT be able to get hotspot working. I say might because I am not familiar with Cricket. Many carrier's phones check for a tethering subscription before allowing the hotspot to be turned on. The rom on the phone communicates with the carrier to make the check. That MAY be the issue you are facing since Cricket is an arm of AT&T. If so, you can get around it by cross-flashing to the open market / Google Fi rom which won't do a subscription check. I did that with my AT&T branded v35. It works great on StraightTalk. Browse around in the threads in the v35 forums and you will find information about how to cross-flash.
Now back to the MIGHT part. Some carriers, Verizon for example, can detect tethering. They throttle hotspot speeds for Unlimited plans. Presumably they could just block hotspot traffic. I have tried everything to get around throttling to no avail.
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Thanks, there seems to be 2 things going on. 1st is the tether provisioning check. One can turn the provisioning check off (most custom ROMs have done this and it was what I did with my Leeco); or you can pay the carrier. For my v35 I paid the carrier and it still didn't work since there is some 2nd network check that isn't visible to me.. What runderekrun describes is exactly what happened to me.

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I might be able to help here. I have a rooted essential phone on the unlimited data + hotspot Cricket plan. I am able to activate hotspot but it is severely throttled (128k by the looks of it). No fixes, not even fixes that use root, has changed this.
The only thing I have gotten to work is pdanet app ($8 in playstore, after 30 days). With it I am able to connect my laptop/tablets to my data plan, all while hiding the usage from Cricket. I am not sure if this will work with your head unit or if it's viable since you kind of got to jump through some hoops to get the stuff working but just thought I would chime in here.
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Thanks, that is helpful. For me, I went years with no trouble and then got a warning text followed by the throttling. It was very, very slow.
I just tried PDAnet+ and it worked! Hurray! seems to need the app to act as a passthrough but I can live with that. I have not tried it on the head unit yet but it's fundamentally just a big Android tablet and PDAnet just worked on my tablet that is actually a tablet. Thanks!

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I might be able to help here. I have a rooted essential phone on the unlimited data + hotspot Cricket plan. I am able to activate hotspot but it is severely throttled (128k by the looks of it). No fixes, not even fixes that use root, has changed this.
The only thing I have gotten to work is pdanet app ($8 in playstore, after 30 days). With it I am able to connect my laptop/tablets to my data plan, all while hiding the usage from Cricket. I am not sure if this will work with your head unit or if it's viable since you kind of got to jump through some hoops to get the stuff working but just thought I would chime in here.
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PDAnet+ worked my S3 tablet and Windows laptop. But did *not* operate for my Android head unit. Any tips for figuring it out?