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Well, I have a Note 3 and the only thing I have done is root it, I did not trip the knox counter, made sure of it. It read 0x0. Well today when using my phone it randomly shut off on me while browsing my email and it threw itself into a boot loop.
Nothing I did was able to fix it so at that point I went into kies and did the firmware upgrade to put it back to stock and I was quite surprised when I entered download mode. The knox counter now read 0x1. I went through with the firmware and it didn't fix it. Since the knox counter was tripped at this point I just said screw it and loaded a custom recovery on the device to wipe everything out of it that way including system and data, then tried to flash the stock rom. It didn't work.
I then tried Kies again, didn't work. How is this possible? How do I randomly trip the Knox counter doing nothing and my phone randomly bricks on me? I now am stuck with a paperweight that is out of warranty even though I made sure it was prior to doing anything.
In that many rooted with triggering the knox flag and it didn't prevent them from using their phone, that is not the issue.
You may just have a hardware issue. There are those that might be able to figure it out though.
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In that many rooted with triggering the knox flag and it didn't prevent them from using their phone, that is not the issue.
You may just have a hardware issue. There are those that might be able to figure it out though.
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I thought hardware issue as well, but why did it randomly trip the counter? That's why it is concerning to me.
What method did u use to root.
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What method did u use to root.
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The only things that are supposed to trip the Knox flag with that method are:
Flashing a custom ROM will trip the flag
Flashing a custom Kernel will trip the flag
Flashing a custom Recovery will trip the flag
What recovery did you use did you wipe the system or format the system. If you did the latter you and can get into download mode I would flash the stock ROM with the pit to repartition your memory. I had to do this with my s4
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What does this truely mean. I just rooted via ODIN and my flag was tripped 0x1, does the flag geg tripped regardless if you root or install custom roms ?
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Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.
I did do my research Im just asking a question maybe there was an update on how to change the void but obviously kot . Thanks anyway. Dont get all hyped thats what xda is for
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Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?
You cannot reset the Knox flag once it had been tripped.
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Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?
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Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
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wow didn't know that
megaearth77 said:
wow didn't know that
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It what chain fire was afraid of and reason why triangle away won't work
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krelvinaz said:
Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.
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So rude all that extra was not really needed on do your research. You were probably once new to something too
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Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
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By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?
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You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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Guess I'll stay away from Samsung devices then. If I could get a Note 3 that has the camera features and S-Pen, I'd be happy.
Interesting, i got a few question i want to ask. I root my t mobile note 3 recently using the new method that don't trip the knox counter. And i install several apps that require root access. I know if you install custom rom it will trigger the knox, but i won't on my and its still stock at 4.3. My Question is what about apps that require root access? I got ES file explorer, es task manager, game guardian, cachemate for root users free, cpu tuner, and titanium backup, does those trigger the knox? And is efuse short for eletronic fuse? if it is, can't you just replace it to undo the knox?
Apps don't trigger the Knox flag, flashing a kernel roms etc do. Efuse is in the snapdragon processor.
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I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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It voids Samsung warranty not TMOBILE. So ur good for 1 year
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Yes, Knox is Samsung thing, T-mo has nothing to do with it and some people already suggested, T-mo doesn't even check Knox flag for replacements etc, at least so far. I asked here before if it's e-fuse and got different answers, so I ask again : are we sure it's e-fuse or we just speculating? The reason is, there was a guy in international forum claiming Samsung reset his Knox flag, which would be not possible with e-fuse. BTW I just updated my old GS3 to 4.3 and it added Knox to it, so I got mad and rooted it to just to delete this stupid Knox, so now how do I check that flag on it? It says custom because is rooted, but where is the Knox flag?
You see the Knox setting when you put your phone in download mode.
As for resetting the Knox flag, I've not seen a confined resetting of it or better said, if it can be done, no one outside of Samsung has been able to do it and prove they have.
So I've been searching around and have not found out the answer to these questions... I'm assuming the answer is "Yes" to the first but want to confirm:
If the KNOX flag is tripped, the KNOX software will no longer work. Ever (assuming we never get a 0x0 reset). Correct?
Now for the next question, assuming "No":
If I use the RDLV to root without tripping KNOX, will the KNOX software still work?
I ask because my company does have MDM and supports KNOX and I may want to use it in the future.
Hi,
after a long time using iPhone i switched to Android (Note 10+ Exy.
I considered to root it but dont want to loose all Samsung Apps etc. I found a Website called knoxreset.com which tells you that it can put the knox back to 0x0 and "restore" all Samsung Apps.
I tried to find some reviews about this Website but found nothing. I know that Knox now a days has something to do with the Hardware and as im a newbie, i wanted to ask you guys if this is legit or a scam ?
They sell it rn for 45 Dollars.
Thanks for any help!
Scam
raul6 said:
Scam
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Okay, i'll stay away from it
Shxckz said:
Hi,
after a long time using iPhone i switched to Android (Note 10+ Exy.
I considered to root it but dont want to loose all Samsung Apps etc. I found a Website called knoxreset.com which tells you that it can put the knox back to 0x0 and "restore" all Samsung Apps.
I tried to find some reviews about this Website but found nothing. I know that Knox now a days has something to do with the Hardware and as im a newbie, i wanted to ask you guys if this is legit or a scam ?
They sell it rn for 45 Dollars.
Thanks for any help!
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I would go with a scam... Tripping knox literally blows an efuse. Once it blown that's it... It is blown for good on that motherboard.
The site is misleading in what it does. The app involves rooting (or uses existing root on) the phone, installs (possibly uses if exists) a custom recovery and merely makes the trip counter looks like it wasn't tripped (it does not actually change the knox trip counter). It's a purely superficial mask and nothing more.. also if I recall correctly this is something you can do yourself.
Also the site says it doesn't effect knox, so any apps which depend on knox itself won't work.
https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/...-a-Knox-Warranty-Bit-and-how-is-it-triggered-
It's easy to fake reset Knox if you are rooted which is exactly what they are doing. It will fool some apps that won't work if knox has been tripped but it won't fool Samsung and as soon as you flash back stock then it will show Knox tripped. If you want root but won't to fake knox then there are guides out there
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andy242 said:
It's easy to fake reset Knox if you are rooted which is exactly what they are doing. It will fool some apps that won't work if knox has been tripped but it won't fool Samsung and as soon as you flash back stock then it will show Knox tripped. If you want root but won't to fake knox then there are guides out there
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So it is possible to root, fake knox and use for example Samsung Pass or other apps that doesnt work with a tripped knox ? Thank you for your answer!
EDIT: I cant find any updated tutorial how to fake it properly, do you have any link for me ?
Shxckz said:
So it is possible to root, fake knox and use for example Samsung Pass or other apps that doesnt work with a tripped knox ? Thank you for your answer!
EDIT: I cant find any updated tutorial how to fake it properly, do you have any link for me ?
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No, banking apps, samsung pay, and other apps will not work, only some apps can be fooled by hiding root, just consider this before rooting, as for tripping knox, there are some cosmetic implementations that make knox look 0x0, but just for show, this can not in anyway be reversed, apps specifically looking for the e-fuse status, will never be fooled
The ONLY sure fire way known to reset KNOX is Motherboard replacement...
This will be expensive and will also change your IMEI and Serial number...
yeah it definitely looks like a scam website @scottusa2008 is definitely on the mark. once that efuse is blown, its blown.
Okay guys thank you very much for the help, ill do some more research and will probably go with the Dr. Ketan Rom
I'll close this Thread now
Ex developer of KNOX Reset (Disabler) application
Hi,
The application listed at KNOXReset.com cannot indeed reset the actual KNOX counter. It is also mentioned on the store page before purchasing the application now.
It has been designed to spoof the string in Odin mode and display 0x0(0) regardless of actual value. It works only on certain devices.
Also, it now includes modified S applications which work even on rooted devices.
Venus342
lolol... all it does is set a property to appear as not tripped.. smh.. ppl do anything for a quick buck these days
venus342a said:
Ex developer of KNOX Reset (Disabler) application
Hi,
The application listed at KNOXReset.com cannot indeed reset the actual KNOX counter. It is also mentioned on the store page before purchasing the application now.
It has been designed to spoof the string in Odin mode and display 0x0(0) regardless of actual value. It works only on certain devices.
Also, it now includes modified S applications which work even on rooted devices.
Venus342
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Where's the application brother
The other day I thought it would be a good idea to root my phone (S20 Ultra Exynos), as it's been many years since I've done it (S6 was my last rooted device).
Anyway, I kept running into issues with connecting to my watch, and getting payment apps working (on account of the root), and decided it was not worth the hassle.
So I unrooted the device via flashing stock firmware in ODIN and locked the bootloader.
I noticed my Samsung Health app didn't work, which was strange. Upon research, I found it was due to Knox being tripped - which was confirmed via downloading a checking app from the play store.
I know that there are patched S Health apps that would allow me to bypass knox, but is there is any way to reset the knox counter so that warranty is no longer void?
Are there also any other implications from this.
So far all my apps work fine, except for health.
Cheers!
It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
blackhawk said:
It's a micro efuse inside the chipset that blows when you trip Knox.
The only way to fully undo it be to replace the mobo. Yeah... like Fort Knox.
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Thought that might be the case.
Bloody Samsung, that's so ridiculous!
Oh well, I haven't seen any other issues with it tripping so far. Warranty is already void anyway since it's water damaged and have had the screen replaced by others.
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
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You're welcome.
Samsung Pay won't work either or maybe Secure Folder. Not the end of the world...
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Yeah definitely not the end of the world. I use google pay over samsung, and have never used the secure folder (I use Onedrive Vault).
Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
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Are there any other negative effects apart from Samsung Pay, Secure Folder, etc.? I just read that on some older devices the battery life was decreased as well? It's a shame that it can't be undone... I mean, what harm does it do if the phone was rooted (or even attempted to be rooted... it didn't even work!) once. Why should it forever be unsafe from then on? I want to use the phone as stock as possible, original firmware, no root, ...
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because yes
123jonSLO said:
It's because samsung doesn't want you to root your phone and wants you to know that there are permanent consequences of you doing so.
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It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
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It's so you know the phone's security has been compromised. Rooting and custom roms makes troubleshooting much more difficult.
Can't blame them for not wanting to troubleshoot other people's firmware on top of their hardware.
Stock Samsung's are relatively easy to troubleshoot...
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Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
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Yeah but knox stays tripped even if you reinstall the official firmware
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Because the bootloader was compromised. A core component to Knox security.
hello everyone,
I have and use android phones last 10+ years, always rooted. But I never had samsung phone.
Now I hear only half informations from my buddy, that its dangeous to root samsung because of knox (i dunno what knox even is).
So, now I'm thinking to buy S20 and want to root it, and my question is..:
If I root it, is anything ''broken'' on the phone ? Can phone still recieve official Samsung OTA updates?
What are minuses? what to look for? What about this "knox"?
Please need informaions
Well, I've owned a couple of Samsung devices over the years and I guess I can speak a bit from experience. Here's what you should know:
1.- U.S. phones have their bootloaders locked, so avoid buying a U.S. variant if you want to root it (some people want them for their Snapdragon chips)
2.- Knox is an e-fuse in the phone motherboard. Once you trip it by flashing custom software (root it), then that fuse will be tripped forever. You cannot get your Knox your status back to official unless you change the motherboard. Even flashing stock firmware will never get you this back to official.
3.- A lot of Samsung's security apps check for this fuse and will refuse to work if they detect that you've tripped it. Samsung Pay, Pass, Secure Folder are just some examples of features that will stop working when they detect a tripped Knox fuse. Some of these have bypass with root, but some don't.
4.- You will not get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader, let alone root. It IS possible to get them back but only after flashing stock firmware and blocking the bootloader. These don't seem to check for Knox.
Understood, Thank You alot for informations and help!
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Well, I've owned a couple of Samsung devices over the years and I guess I can speak a bit from experience. Here's what you should know:
1.- U.S. phones have their bootloaders locked, so avoid buying a U.S. variant if you want to root it (some people want them for their Snapdragon chips)
2.- Knox is an e-fuse in the phone motherboard. Once you trip it by flashing custom software (root it), then that fuse will be tripped forever. You cannot get your Knox your status back to official unless you change the motherboard. Even flashing stock firmware will never get you this back to official.
3.- A lot of Samsung's security apps check for this fuse and will refuse to work if they detect that you've tripped it. Samsung Pay, Pass, Secure Folder are just some examples of features that will stop working when they detect a tripped Knox fuse. Some of these have bypass with root, but some don't.
4.- You will not get OTA updates with an unlocked bootloader, let alone root. It IS possible to get them back but only after flashing stock firmware and blocking the bootloader. These don't seem to check for Knox.
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Hiiii. I currently have a Samsung S20 and I have rooted it before. Once you root it Knox security will be tripped and you will not be able to get it back. This means you will lose access to apps like Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass and Samsung Health. You will not receive OTA updates if you're rooted, but if you flash stock firmware again and lock the bootloader you can start receiving updates again. I currently have a custom ROM installed and I have my ROM rooted. To me, it's been a great experience overall. I didn't really use the Knox features, so I didn't care much about losing it. I have loved rooting my S20 and using a custom ROM !!
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Hiiii. I currently have a Samsung S20 and I have rooted it before. Once you root it Knox security will be tripped and you will not be able to get it back. This means you will lose access to apps like Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass and Samsung Health. You will not receive OTA updates if you're rooted, but if you flash stock firmware again and lock the bootloader you can start receiving updates again. I currently have a custom ROM installed and I have my ROM rooted. To me, it's been a great experience overall. I didn't really use the Knox features, so I didn't care much about losing it. I have loved rooting my S20 and using a custom ROM !!
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Actually you can use Samsung Health, just currently no version above 6.19 (2 versions behind current) until we find a way to patch it...i use it daily with my Watch 4 on Rooted S20+ 5G....
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Actually you can use Samsung Health, just currently no version above 6.19 (2 versions behind current) until we find a way to patch it...i use it daily with my Watch 4 on Rooted S20+ 5G....
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Ohh okay !!! Thank you for letting us know !! I don't use Samsung Health so I had not tested it myself, but I had heard that Samsung Health doesn't work with root. Thanks for telling us it works fine !!
so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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Yeah you can flash updates with something like Odin (never used Kies myself, I don't know if it still works)
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so, when rooted there are no OTAs.. thats a nono for me heh.. but question, if no OTAs come from mobile itself, is it possible to get uprades through PC then.. (Kies) maybe ?
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ODIN
Flash HOME CSC if you want to keep your data