seedvault. How do i migrate to seedvault on LOS? - LineageOS Questions & Answers

currently on pixel 2xl, going to move to los. how do i used seed vault? do i have to start over with my appdata? i can't find anything about migrating over. only that seedvault exists, and its cool. thats about it. why are there no guides on how to setup and move over to it from google backup.

letrain02 said:
currently on pixel 2xl, going to move to los. how do i used seed vault? do i have to start over with my appdata? i can't find anything about migrating over. only that seedvault exists, and its cool. thats about it. why are there no guides on how to setup and move over to it from google backup.
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I don't think, seedvaut has an interface to Google backup. And you can only use it, if it is integrated in your current OS. If you intend to stay with Google, use Google backup. If you go noGApps, its better to manually setup, anyway.

kurtn said:
I don't think, seedvaut has an interface to Google backup. And you can only use it, if it is integrated in your current OS. If you intend to stay with Google, use Google backup. If you go noGApps, its better to manually setup, anyway.
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yeah i can't download google backup either. was curious if i could migrate using titanium backup or something, instead of starting over.
its my understanding lineage os now uses seedvault. so if i use lineage os i must use seed vault?

letrain02 said:
yeah i can't download google backup either. was curious if i could migrate using titanium backup or something, instead of starting over.
its my understanding lineage os now uses seedvault. so if i use lineage os i must use seed vault?
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If you use lineageOS with GApps, you setup with your Google account. That will automatically install your apps. Google backup is probably part of your current OS. Make sure to have it enabled.

kurtn said:
If you use lineageOS with GApps, you setup with your Google account. That will automatically install your apps. Google backup is probably part of your current OS. Make sure to have it enabled.
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well thats what i'm curious about. if lineageos uses seedvault for backup, will my data be restored if i use gapps?, and only future backups will be seed vault?

letrain02 said:
well thats what i'm curious about. if lineageos uses seedvault for backup, will my data be restored if i use gapps?, and only future backups will be seed vault?
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@letrain02, did you find out anything more about SeedVault?
I've searched online and can't find any documentation to speak of, and haven't managed to find out how to use it by trial and error. It's easy to switch between Google and SeedVault in Settings, but not at all clear how to restore SV backups. No manual 'restore' option in Settings, and LOS doesn't offer to find and restore an SV backup on first boot of a reset / reflashed system (although SV is now the default backup service).
I can confirm, though, that if you've installed gapps it still goes through the standard Google setup on first boot, including asking if you want to restore a backup. SV being the default backup service doesn't affect that.

lpedia said:
@letrain02, did you find out anything more about SeedVault?
I've searched online and can't find any documentation to speak of, and haven't managed to find out how to use it by trial and error. It's easy to switch between Google and SeedVault in Settings, but not at all clear how to restore SV backups. No manual 'restore' option in Settings, and LOS doesn't offer to find and restore an SV backup on first boot of a reset / reflashed system (although SV is now the default backup service).
I can confirm, though, that if you've installed gapps it still goes through the standard Google setup on first boot, including asking if you want to restore a backup. SV being the default backup service doesn't affect that.
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Well that's good for migrating to seedvault. I know you can store seedvault to a next cloud account, or file and save it to usb. Im not sure how it would restore without gapps.

letrain02 said:
Well that's good for migrating to seedvault. I know you can store seedvault to a next cloud account, or file and save it to usb. Im not sure how it would restore without gapps.
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Google's setup will only restore a Google backup, of course. How to restore a SV backup remains a mystery to me.
You can save SV backups to NextCloud, USB OTG storage, internal storage, or microSD card. Backups are stored in a hidden folder .SeedVaultAndroidBackup at the top level of the chosen storage device. If you choose the microSD card, it warns that this is 'internal storage' (even if it's 'portable' storage) and won't be available if you're rebuilding the device ... which isn't true.

Some good news! I found a useful piece of information in https://forum.fairphone.com/t/has-anyone-tried-seedvault-backup-with-lineage-17/62481/8 - how to manually run SeedVault's restore process. It works!
Code:
adb shell am start -n com.stevesoltys.seedvault/.restore.RestoreActivity

Shortly after posting that last message, I re-flashed a LineageOS device that'd had SeedVault active as the backup service, and accepted LOS's offer to restore from backup. It ran SeedVault Restore and restored successfully. So in that sense it works much like restoring a Google backup.
Entering a 12-word encryption key is a bit of a pain, but is still a lot easier than manually reconfiguring the device - and as a bonus, you can run / re-run the restore manually, which is either impossible or very difficult to do with Google backups.
Note that SeedVault never re-uses an encryption code. When you enable / re-enable SeedVault backups it creates a new code. It doesn't seem to be possible to set the code manually.

lpedia said:
Some good news! I found a useful piece of information in https://forum.fairphone.com/t/has-anyone-tried-seedvault-backup-with-lineage-17/62481/8 - how to manually run SeedVault's restore process. It works!
Code:
adb shell am start -n com.stevesoltys.seedvault/.restore.RestoreActivity
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Just because it took me some time to und erstand: you connect your device to a computer and run the command via USB. This triggers a programm start in the device. You can then unplug from the computer and connect the USB stick with the Backup.

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How to copy the system 1:1 to a new device by using TWRP

I got a new device by RMA and now I want to copy my nandroid backup made with TWRP to the new one.
Which partitions do I have to copy?
Most of the partitions are system based, so don't touch them. All you would want to copy is data, but I am not even sure that would work, without a boot loop? I keep all my data backed up with Titanium. And Google drive would restore most of what you had on your phone as long as you were allowing setting>system>backup.
Sui77 said:
I got a new device by RMA and now I want to copy my nandroid backup made with TWRP to the new one.
Which partitions do I have to copy?
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Data, as it is the one where your settings and app updates are stored. Just be sure the new device is running the same version of Android as the old.
Droid_Nut said:
Most of the partitions are system based, so don't touch them. All you would want to copy is data, but I am not even sure that would work, without a boot loop? I keep all my data backed up with Titanium. And Google drive would restore most of what you had on your phone as long as you were allowing setting>system>backup.
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Restoring a nandroid backup of the data partition to another, identical, device will work without causing a bootloop given the precautions I describe above. Do note however that Google's backup only restores items acquired through the Play Store. Alternative app stores such as Amazon will not be restored, apps acquired through Amazon will not be restored, and any apps sideloaded will not be restored. Since Google's restore function doesn't restore everything, any backup solution - like a nandroid backup - is going to be a better alternative.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Data, as it is the one where your settings and app updates are stored. Just be sure the new device is running the same version of Android as the old.
Restoring a nandroid backup of the data partition to another, identical, device will work without causing a bootloop given the precautions I describe above. Do note however that Google's backup only restores items acquired through the Play Store. Alternative app stores such as Amazon will not be restored, apps acquired through Amazon will not be restored, and any apps sideloaded will not be restored. Since Google's restore function doesn't restore everything, any backup solution - like a nandroid backup - is going to be a better alternative.
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Thanks for the clarification that you can restore data as long as you are on the same version, does it have to be at the same security update level as well?
That is why I use Titanium for apps I got off of Fdroid and other sources. I will make sure I try the Nandroid data backup next time.
Security level shouldn't make a difference, but that is not something I have attempted. The pair of identical tablets I have here are running the same security update.
Thanks, data did the trick.
I had to delete 2 files due to a non working finger printer by using TWRP files explorer, but now the phone is fine.
Last thing pending are customer ringtones, but this is a nasty one.
Any idea how to do it?
Sui77 said:
Thanks, data did the trick.
I had to delete 2 files due to a non working finger printer by using TWRP files explorer, but now the phone is fine.
Last thing pending are customer ringtones, but this is a nasty one.
Any idea how to do it?
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I am having the same problem with the fingerprint reader after restoring data from one phone to another, what files did you delete in TWRP file manager?
Solution for fingerprinter:
1. Boot into TWRP
2. Go to advanced>filemanager to acces the files in your phone.
3. Enter the folder /data/system/user/0
4. Delete following files: ./fpdata/user.db, settings_fingerprint.xml
5. Reboot to system and set up new fingerprints with the fingerprint wizard
6. Everything should work normal
Was not easy to find, but it's easy to do
Sui77 said:
Solution for fingerprinter:
1. Boot into TWRP
2. Go to advanced>filemanager to acces the files in your phone.
3. Enter the folder /data/system/user/0
4. Delete following files: ./fpdata/user.db, settings_fingerprint.xml
5. Reboot to system and set up new fingerprints with the fingerprint wizard
6. Everything should work normal
Was not easy to find, but it's easy to do
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I didn't think it would be easy to find, but thanks for the tips. :good:
I am just putting this phone online with Q Beta 3 today, I have no notifications for text, and all options are greyed out?
Droid_Nut said:
I am just putting this phone online with Q Beta 3 today, I have no notifications for text, and all options are greyed out?
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Turns out this is a bug in Android Q. With Pie there were some many notifications that I set my sound to none, so I just set my sound to Gibbon Call, and now I get text notifications. :good:

OnePlus Switch vs Google backup+restore

I have googled this but not getting a clear answer so hoping someone here can confirm.
I am switching from a OnePlus7T to a Nord and I was just wondering what the best option is for transferring my apps and content etc from 7T to Nord.
Last time I went from OP6 to OP7T I did the google restore on the 7T and then also ran the Switch app.
But I ended with lots of duplicate stuff like contacts and other stuff (can't remember what else was duplicated)
So, should I just install Switch onto the Nord - but don't Google Restore and then just run Switch? Will that do everything?
Or is there a better approach?
With my previous non OnePlus phones I would just use Google and some other SMS + Call History restore app and then do other stuff manually.
Thanks.
Hi harryw66, i think the switch app is the better solution as Google Backup doesn't backup everything.
Thanks - I received the phone earlier today and went the Google router - seems to have backed up most stuff - but not my folders etc - so guess I will have to do them manually - just need to be sure the other stuff does not get duplicated...
harryw66 said:
Thanks - I received the phone earlier today and went the Google router - seems to have backed up most stuff - but not my folders etc - so guess I will have to do them manually - just need to be sure the other stuff does not get duplicated...
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Ok - so it backed up my SMS but not my call logs - weird.
harryw66 said:
Ok - so it backed up my SMS but not my call logs - weird.
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I use..
- SMS Backup & Restore by Sync Tech to backup messages and call logs and it never failed since first use many years ago. Also it has Google Drive backup, auto delete old messages in drive,.. etc.
- SMS organizer by Microsoft as SMS app. It is the best SMS app I used and still using, though it failed a couple of times in backing up the SMSs.
- Titanium Backup to backup all my apps with data daily.
- SyncMe Wireless by bvaisoft for backing up my entire phone contents to my PC after midnight, daily, including Titanium Backup data.
- To clear the storage space taken by Titanium Backup, the Tasker will delete all these contents at early morning.
I've been using these settings for years, though restoring about half number of apps' data didn't work well with Titanium Backup with 7T. So I used OnePlus switch to copy these apps, but without their data.
Thanks - yes I ended up using SMS Backup & Restore by Sync Tech to backup from old phone and restore onto the Nord.
I used to use SMS Backup+ from Jan Berkel with great sucess in the past - but this seems to be broken now due to Google auth changes...
Cheers.
Quick way to back up. If only we could direct this to an OTG?
Droid_Nut said:
Quick way to back up. If only we could direct this to an OTG?
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Into "Switch" app there is an option to do a local backup.
Once done, copy that file to a pendrive.
Pantumaca said:
Into "Switch" app there is an option to do a local backup.
Once done, copy that file to a pendrive.
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I use Titanium Backup, and my files go directly to the OTG. Just how much better of a backup is the one plus switch? Can you incrementally restore apps and data?
Droid_Nut said:
I use Titanium Backup, and my files go directly to the OTG. Just how much better of a backup is the one plus switch? Can you incrementally restore apps and data?
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Sorry, I use Google's backup
OnePlus Switch doesn't backup everything. It didnt back up files in Downloads or documents, unless it was an image, or video.
App Data is random. Works for some apps but not for all.

Question Want to root and unlock - what's the quickest way to get back installed all the apps I currently have?

Question as per title. All my photos, music, videos are cloud based anyway. The only thing I'm concerned about is apps. What's the quickest way to reinstall my apps? Last time I chose to restore from a Google account, it started to install ALL my apps, even ones that weren't installed when I performed the reset (meaning ones I had downloaded but since uninstalled, going back years)
Swift backup
bugac said:
Swift backup
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Is that similar to Titanium backup? I used to use that long ago but the interface was horrendous and I never took the time to fully understand it. Is it even still actively developed, and worth learning about? Or has Swift superseded it?
If you value your data always back it up redundantly to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Cloud apps can fail you miserably. At least use a second backup method is cloud is the primary.
That includes apps. If you don't keep installable copies they may be lost forever or you will be forced to sideload from questionable sources.
Playstore is not a reliable repository.
Use ApkExport to make installable copies of apps and updates, load directly from the drive.
You want cross platform installable app copies that you can load on most Android devices not just your current one. Apps are critical data, back them up.
APK Export (Backup & Share) - Apps on Google Play
Manage and extract your apps.
play.google.com
They will be automatically reinstalled if your device is synced to google.
Data and configs are lost though...
If it reinstalled old apps then check if it's properly synced.
fdgfgd said:
They will be automatically reinstalled if your device is synced to google.
Data and configs are lost though...
If it reinstalled old apps then maybe if it's properly synced.
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They might be, but as my OP stated, I've had the situation where it installs more than what was on the device
samwhiteUK said:
They might be, but as my OP stated, I've had the situation where it installs more than what was on the device
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Take direct control. Nothing like a bunch of unwanted app installs/uninstalls to mess up a reload.
With Google you're not the customer, you're the product.
Swift backup worked a charm, thanks everyone
A suggestion I've read in the past, but have not tried myself, is to use OnePlus's app, now Clone Phone, to perform a backup. The file gets placed in internal memory under "opbackup". Copy the file off the phone prior to wiping it. Put the file back afterwards and perform a restore from within Clone Phone.
I cannot speak to if all app settings are restored.

Question Best Backup Solution?

What is the best backup solution that can backup appdata and apps and system settings?
Google backup? I've been wondering this myself, but haven't found anything but Google's backup/restore. :|
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
jprattnu said:
Google backup? I've been wondering this myself, but haven't found anything but Google's backup/restore. :|
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Google backup doesn't backup all apps just Google apps just tried it.
IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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Thanks will try it out
I bricked/un-bricked my phone last night and successfully restored all apps and data with Migrate (NG version downloaded from their telegram channel). Not sure about system settings... I prefer a clean start with those so I didn't try.
IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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Migrate is also a viable solution. I had a problem with their sdcard enabler on another phone so used swiftbackup instead. Very satisfied.
vangry2020 said:
What is the best backup solution that can backup appdata and apps and system settings?
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The best I've seen(must be root) Swift Backup(Google play store). You can back up messages, call logs, and most importantly apps, app data, ext data, system apps, ext data. Awesome app and easy to sync to dropbox, drive, etc.
IamTheBRAVE said:
For apps and their data, i suggest SwiftBackup. You connect it with your google account for cloud backup (paid) or create a local folder that you can tranfer to usb drive (free) and use it to restore back to your phone or any other device.
It also backs up call logs and messages and wifi networks.
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Thanks for this - Question - Can you still get all app & ext data without being rooted? (Yes I'm a root idiot, sorry)!
IamTheBRAVE said:
Migrate is also a viable solution. I had a problem with their sdcard enabler on another phone so used swiftbackup instead. Very satisfied.
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I had issues with Migrate on an older phone as well (OP 7Pro) , but so far on this phone it has been solid.
Does anyone know of any apps that can do incremental backups of only modified data? I've used Swift Backup but it doesn't seem to be an option. Swift has an option to back up only "updated apps" but I could care less whether the apk was updated... I'd like something that can back up only apps with modified data on a nightly basis, the way I used to do with Titanium Backup on earlier versions of Android.
jprattnu said:
Thanks for this - Question - Can you still get all app & ext data without being rooted? (Yes I'm a root idiot, sorry)!
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No don't think so.
terlynn4 said:
I had issues with Migrate on an older phone as well (OP 7Pro) , but so far on this phone it has been solid.
Does anyone know of any apps that can do incremental backups of only modified data? I've used Swift Backup but it doesn't seem to be an option. Swift has an option to back up only "updated apps" but I could care less whether the apk was updated... I'd like something that can back up only apps with modified data on a nightly basis, the way I used to do with Titanium Backup on earlier versions of Android.
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Did not see any option for that in the app. You can do it manually by renaming theold backup folder and redoing existing backup option. I think that would work.
IamTheBRAVE said:
Did not see any option for that in the app. You can do it manually by renaming theold backup folder and redoing existing backup option. I think that would work.
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Wouldn't that just back up everything again? Or maybe I don't follow what you mean.
terlynn4 said:
Wouldn't that just back up everything again? Or maybe I don't follow what you mean.
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Yes, back up everything again but since you rename the old backup folder you end up with 2 incremental backup. At least that how i see it but it would be a pain to do that if you want nighly backups.
The only other idea may be to set a scheduled backup (paid). Just took a look, it say you can have customisable backups in premium (which i don't have) maybe someone can tell us what that contains?
IamTheBRAVE said:
Yes, back up everything again but since you rename the old backup folder you end up with 2 incremental backup. At least that how i see it but it would be a pain to do that if you want nighly backups.
The only other idea may be to set a scheduled backup (paid). Just took a look, it say you can have customisable backups in premium (which i don't have) maybe someone can tell us what that contains?
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You're talking about multiple backups, I'm talking about incremental/differential backups, where only modified data is backed up. The purpose is for smaller size and faster backups so they can be run daily or even multiple times a day. I save my backups to google drive and "all apps" is about 20 GB for me. It's insane to upload that much every single night when most of it hasn't changed, but I want my backups always up to date for the next time my phone is bricked unexpectedly. I do have premium, but the option to back up only modified data isn't there. I'm looking for an app that can do that, like Titanium Backup did flawlessly.

Question Sideloaded Android 13 and no backup found? Any solution?

I've had backups going on my Pixel 2XL for 4 years and Pixel 6 Pro for the past year. I've done so many factory resets and it always showed a backup under my account. Today I sideloaded A13. Worked perfectly. I factory reset maybe even 4 months ago. I decided to do a factory reset for a clean start. And bam, no backup found under my account. Was this user error? I can manually restore it but it sucks losing my text threads and I'm scared this might happen again. I'm in contact with Google support but they are useless.
open Google drive app. click menu, backups. should be a backup listed. if not, it's been deleted.
Adding my 0.02 here.
I've used Google backup and restore many times over the years and frequently SMS & Calls Logs have not been backed up and/or restored properly.
There used to be a way to trigger the restore UI via ADB but that appears to be patched.
I now rely on Google backup for my apps / contacts
And SMS Backup and Restore running daily taking a copy of my SMS & Call Logs.
Check for a backup from your PC. Go to Google Drive > Sotrage > Backups
That will list them all, if you have any.
Alekos said:
open Google drive app. click menu, backups. should be a backup listed. if not, it's been deleted.
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Yea it's gone. Had the phone backed up for 5 years and now upgrade to A13, factory reset and it's gone. I want to fully love google but this is one of those insane moments where I absolutely hate them. A reason I always backup everything manually and don't rely on them. Even now with my fresh perfect smooth installation, the phone still hasn't backup up automatically overnight when idle like it says it's supposed to.
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Adding my 0.02 here.
I've used Google backup and restore many times over the years and frequently SMS & Calls Logs have not been backed up and/or restored properly.
There used to be a way to trigger the restore UI via ADB but that appears to be patched.
I now rely on Google backup for my apps / contacts
And SMS Backup and Restore running daily taking a copy of my SMS & Call Logs.
Check for a backup from your PC. Go to Google Drive > Sotrage > Backups
That will list them all, if you have any.
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Yea it's gone. NOOO idea why. At one point my lower tier Drive ran out of storage so I upgraded to Google One 2TB and wondering if I changed a setting or something causing it to delete the backup. I'm trying to recreate one from scratch now

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