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All quiet on the Android front?

Its just a general observation, so now I get interested in running Android on my phone, the chatter, updates, discussions and info seems to have quietened down, was it something I said?
Looked at the XDA wiki for info and that hasn't been updated since 2009 (I put some updated info in there, but really it needs a complete re-write, its still listing version 1.1!), I don't feel qualified to re-write it, or I would. The HTC on Android site, seems also quiet, not listing the latest builds and some of the how to's seem out of date.
I guess its because the original developers have got new phone and moving on to bigger and brighter things, and fair enough, but where does that leave the rest of us?
I know I can't afford a new phone, so am stuck with what I've got, and really I'm happy with it, I know 50% of my office have Iphone's and consider my phone a 'brick' (it still does more than their Iphone's ha ).
So how can we keep this alive? get involved, Maintain the momentum and get people interested in Android development and testing on our devices, I'm not a cook (developer (well not of this kind, my work is Flex and Java back end stuff)), but can test builds (SD Card) or maintain doc's (if needed).
Myself I'm still only testing Android, I've not set this as my main OS yet, why? hum, well, battery seems to be number one issue. I don't know really what is stopping me from using it fully, maybe it 'seems' a bit rough at the edges, not got used to what button does what, (not always a direct mapping), I guess I just need to spend more time using it.
Anyway I'll stop blabbering on here, just wanted to get all that off my mind
Your thoughts? >>>>>

Android on Kaiser is far from dead, or dying, or even quiet, lol, I'm still beavering away trying to help others through the transition, although, the more users make the transition, the better, since they tend to help others in turn.
Behind the scenes there are a few things going on also, although there is a little bit of a feeling of waiting, since there is an expectation of 2.2 on the horizon now
Battery is not really so much of a problem as it was, yes, android still uses more power than winmo, but thats mostly down to the differences between the OS's rather than purely a device/driver issue. ( you should have been here in January, I actually overheated my battery to such an extent it warped the cover, and killed the battery , I had android running for 45 minutes, full to drained in 45 minutes produces a lot of heat ).
Builds are maturing nicely, and are a lot more stable than previously, all in all, it's perhaps not as much of a mad glorious race as it was, but it's still exciting

status: saving money for hd2 or evo

It's quiet here because most of the discussion seems to occur in the Vogue Android section. That's where a fair amount of work seems to come from, like Myn, DZO, and Incubus26Jc.
A lot has changed recently, especially in bugs and performance. GPS has improved a lot, to the point where I'd say it's stable.

wikis never stay up to date around here. anyone who cares just follows the individual dev threads as they change weekly/daily. start with stickies

Arrr I see, thank you, think I was having a bit of a 'slow day' thing going on, well I had time to update the wiki, I must have been bored!
Wow you killed a battery, 45 mins from full to flat, oh wow that's is bad, glad that has improved some what
I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
Good to there is there is still interesting and development going on.
Thank you for all the efforts, this really is cool stuff.

leona said:
I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
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they are similar enough to share general drivers. the android kernal allows boot parameters to determine which of a small group to load. these are hard coded so you must still install the correct nbh, but losers editor will take any .nbh and convert it to your phone since its just a parameter change. the android OS is like any other OS, all drivers are there and it picks the correct ones. in wimo the kernal and OS flash together with out boot options so you must get phone specific.
download roguetools from market and set the DPI higher. start with 120

Could be the warmer weather...

Thanks, I looked for RougeTools in the market but couldn't find it, so I installed the apps pack that comes with this build which had it in and then changed the dpi to 120, which is better, (still need to use a magnifier to read it but that's me, can't wait for a 'pinch zoom' type app ).
Is there a guide for using using / configuring Android anywhere?

Most retarded bugs I have ever seen!

Hello,
I am serious considering to take back my HTC Trophy 7 because of the amount of bugs this device has. It rather feels like a prototype then a final result.
How the **** can Microsoft take so long to develope a Operating System and deliver it in this state. The product itself came with a lack of features. But even those minimal amount of features that are now their are full with bugs.
Marketplace crashes, Zune crashes. Random reboots. But today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person. I have deleted the person and re-added him. Yet again the same bug.
What the ****. I paid 480 euro for this phone. A phone which cannot call or text-message propperly on of the most basis principes of a phone. When I e-mail Microsoft they tell me to go to HTC. But in the end it is software from Microsoft that is failing. And not HTC.
Also the lack of giving any public updates about the bugs and what to do about them is also quite annoying me. At least make a announcement.
Anyway what do you guys think of WP7? And did any of you encountered the contact switch bug yet?

Personally I haven't encountered the random contact calling issue and it's the first time I read about it to be honest.People had some random reboots or some screen tearing which occured few times at a a couple of days or so.
By the way you speak you obviously have a faulty device and I suggest you get it replaced'm.
I have almost two weeks with my phone (HD7) and I had only 2 times the screen tearing issue, just 2 reboots (those being caused by eBay app anyway) and several times when Marletplace crashed or IE did the same. I'm using the last two almost daily and I didn't get bothered with the issues so it happened rare also.
It seems that whatever bug you may encounter a soft reset/reboot of the phone will get you rid of the problem (at least for a time) and I am VERY happy about it.
Just check the iPhone 4 forum for example if you really want to see persistent bugs
I am pretty sure the early 11 update will fix most of these .

dbschr said:
Hello,
I am serious considering to take back my HTC Trophy 7 because of the amount of bugs this device has. It rather feels like a prototype then a final result.
How the **** can Microsoft take so long to develope a Operating System and deliver it in this state. The product itself came with a lack of features. But even those minimal amount of features that are now their are full with bugs.
Marketplace crashes, Zune crashes. Random reboots. But today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person. I have deleted the person and re-added him. Yet again the same bug.
What the ****. I paid 480 euro for this phone. A phone which cannot call or text-message propperly on of the most basis principes of a phone. When I e-mail Microsoft they tell me to go to HTC. But in the end it is software from Microsoft that is failing. And not HTC.
Also the lack of giving any public updates about the bugs and what to do about them is also quite annoying me. At least make a announcement.
Anyway what do you guys think of WP7? And did any of you encountered the contact switch bug yet?
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bro,
this post wins as the most awesome post ever. After reading this I feel like I never want to buy a WP7 phone ever. It actually makes me want to walk into the tmobile store and smash their HD7s on the floor just to do a potential buyer a favor.
Epic post.

dbschr said:
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but today I have encountered the most strange bug I have ever encountered in a phone. I call someone, and I get someone completely else from my contact list on the phone. I send someone a text message, and yet again it gets sended to a completely diffrent person.
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there was so much potential here i was waiting for the dodgy situation you found yourself in due to this.
but your post turned out to be fail.
anyone mention troll?

@orangekid - Have you ever used a WP7 phone?
@dbschr - I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience. I have not experienced this as far as I am aware. I had an issue with the Market place for a while, but that's because I disabled cookies in IE.

XeNoMoRpH1030 said:
@orangekid - Have you ever used a WP7 phone?
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After that Epic rant why would I want to?

Erm dude, these obviously aren't OS faults, or MS would never have put it out - and even if they had, everyone would be experiencing the same problems, as we are all running the exact same version of the exact same OS, just on different devices. I have not encountered a single one of the faults that you have mentioned.
Take the phone back to the store, get a replacement, enjoy it, and stop complaining and drawing undeserved bad publicity to WP7 like a total arse :/

So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........

doministry said:
So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........
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GUYS COOL DOWN...
but an isolated case of dialing and SMS could not be the failure of the OS as this can be so many things....
this is the first person having this bug... i have not have such problems and i have not seen ppl *****ing about it...
but there are ppl who like to make big issues out of non existent issues...

nrfitchett4 said:
To the OP, I have heard of marketplace and zune "crashes". Reseting the phone fixes these. I personally have had 2 marketplace crashes and zero zune crashes using both daily the last 3 weeks. I have had zero other problems. It's obvious you got a bad phone. Take it back to where you purchased it and exchange it.
As far as orangekid, it's sad that a mod on another forum tries so hard to troll on this one.
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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic and is now feeding off the fact that none of you read into his sarcasm... I refuse to believe he was serious, especially after seeing his ability to read and write.
Anyway, the OP hasn't even posted again in here, which leads me to believe that this was a load of crap. If you're having issues such as those and you post about them, you're going to check in frequently to find a solution, not go MIA after such a ridiculous rant. This sounds like a case of a douchebag trying to stir up the loyalists in here...
On a side note, my WP7 can't get any better, to be honest, with a Beezz update coming in a few hours, and an OS update coming soon enough, I'm looking forward to even more enjoyable times

FiyaFleye said:
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic and is now feeding off the fact that none of you read into his sarcasm... I refuse to believe he was serious, especially after seeing his ability to read and write.
Anyway, the OP hasn't even posted again in here, which leads me to believe that this was a load of crap. If you're having issues such as those and you post about them, you're going to check in frequently to find a solution, not go MIA after such a ridiculous rant. This sounds like a case of a douchebag trying to stir up the loyalists in here...
On a side note, my WP7 can't get any better, to be honest, with a Beezz update coming in a few hours, and an OS update coming soon enough, I'm looking forward to even more enjoyable times
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maybe that 1 post was sarcasm, but he has been trolling the wp7 forums the last couple of days.
There is a fine line between sarcasm and trolling and the amount of posts he has here pushes him across the line.
some examples of his wisdom (all posted on different wp7 threads):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9544615&postcount=176
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9550100&postcount=6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9524808&postcount=97

The fact that people are trying so hard to put down an OS so hard to me shows they are intimidated by competition in the market. The fact it gets to people so much shows MS has a quality product and these people are scared they wont have the latest and greatest without going to MS after years of slating them. It takes a bigger person to admit they where wrong it takes a moron to just jump on forums for phones they have no intention of getting just to shoot there mouth off.

@OP:
480€ for a Trophy ?! Jeez...
Got my Trophy last week and the only problem to date is the Marketplace hanging once in a while, nothing major that won't be solved in the next patch (along with an array of other bugs). Contatcs work great, all my email accounts are syncing, calling and SMS'sing is just fine and all the small issues and stuff missing, is just something I can live with and know will be handled in the future.
If you don't like the phone, exchange it or even better yet ask for a refund, you are clearly not ready for WP7 yet.

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And Avandor: I am ready for WP7, it ain't just ready for a realistic person like me .
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People are telling you SMS works, contacts works, syncing works and people have been using perfectly working WP7 phones since launch, so you need to start looking at other possible causes of your problems, before pointing a finger at the OS.
No one is denying it has bugs, lacking features and ways of doing stuff that most of us are still getting used to. Just take a good look around the posts and you will see that.
Ok you have issues with that particular phone. The Trophy has met quite a few problems (mostly hardware based) and you need to look at your own phone first. Do a hard reset, trying syncing contacs from a different account or method. If all that fails, report the problem to your vendor and replace/return the phone, its not that a big deal.
At least not something that requires a forum whine.

doministry said:
So it's a rule here, once somebody criticizes WP7 bugs, flaming appears........
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We already have a topic about the bugs, and as already advised, made a bad choice, return and end.
It is very sad that as we get watching the threads on account of aggressive postures.
Negative comments about the WP7 can be made, however, turn that attacks between users can not occur.
No sense in getting started this thread, as it always going to have to defend the OS and others that attack, the initial comment was based on one bad experience and was well placed.
After that there were trolls, flames, etc..
If people are intelligent and coherent clearly no foul language want to report problems with their appliances WP7, report here:The WP7 list of BUGS' Thread
But please, polite and responsible.
This thread is closed.

"january" update is delayed? MS needs to step it up

on this post http://wmpoweruser.com/two-windows-phone-7-updates-coming-before-mid-year/, it seems that the "january" update is coming out at either late february or march: "Just wanted to let you know that the article regarding "two updates’ for WP7 is incorrect, partially. There will be indeed two updates, but CDMA is coming as part of the first update. This is due out late Feb / Early March. The reason the update is so late is due to the CDMA support."
so it seems that this'll be coming out likely on march. sucks! The longer MS delays this update, the more their platform could potentially suffer.

Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..

DavidinCT said:
Till we get an offical word from CDMA providers, it does not mean anything. Thanks for the post but, it's kind of what they have been saying for a few weeks now.
You'll see CDMA phones as well as the Copy and paste on the same day..
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Don't you mean "official word from MSFT"?
In any case, I'm happy enough to wait for copy and paste or any other functional updates. I'm not too happy about having to continually wait for bugfixes though, they need to start getting these out as and when they're fixed.

I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?

WhyBe said:
I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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I have scratched my head raw over that and other things MS is doing...erm...not doing...with WP7. I have the idea they are kind of gun shy. They have the best mobile OS skeleton ever created and are terrified they may screw it up some minor way. So they are tippy-toeing as though walking on eggs with WP7 integration.

Patience running thin
This is a big mistake on the part of MS. Waiting for CDMA???? They have an obligation to their early adopters before supporting CDMA, IMHO. The issues with SD cards on Samsung Focus devices is no trivial issue and waiting 2 months to solve this is unacceptable. They need to get their heads on straight and start presenting a logical and believable issues and features update path to the market. They may be the 300 pound gorilla in the room, but there are a whole bunch of other gorillas who have been in this room for much longer. This is absurd and nonsensical.

OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...

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OMG WE HAVE TO WAIT A MONTH LONGER FOR SUPPORT ON CDMA (which quite frankly sucks) and copy and paste (which I'm sure very few will use) on our OS that is just as close as any other to perfect? man that sucks, I dont know what I'll do... oh wait, I'll go play some original xbox live titles and use my zunepass while watching netflix all seamlessly. Duh! I understand that the verizon people are upset and whatever but I mean CDMA shouldve been dead long ago anyway...
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I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.

emigrating said:
I agree with most of that, and I don't think anyone is really saying they suck for taking their time getting CDMA support. Heck, I don't even think most people are that bothered about Cut'n'Paste (or any other added functionality) takes a little longer. What I, and reading comments on other websites - most people - have a problem with is their unwillingness to supply hotfixes as and when they have been patched and tested.
I hate bringing up the camera, yet again, but they touted the dedicated camera button as a killer feature - and for me, it is, I tend to use the camera lots - but having the camera settings revert to sucky mode every time means the whole feature is dead. By the time you've fiddled around in the settings to get a good photo, the moment has passed and that great photo you were gonna take turns into a blurfest of someone's back. Not delivering a fix for this by now is outrageous. Being told there will be no update (and by update I really mean bugfixes) until March is even worse. Being told we have to wait until March when their publically available information first stated January is friggin unforgiveable if you ask me.
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What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.

WhyBe said:
I wonder what's so difficult and time-consuming to implement CDMA support on a platform ?
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Drivers for different chipset probably.

Earned
I have been the staunchest defender of WP7 and MS, and I will continue to be but this type of inaction in the face of real issues (I don't give a rats rear end about C&P) makes it very tough. My own feeling is that this tortoiselike approach is going to earn MS few friends in the market. This is not the Windows desktop market. Although I have to say, having auto update set on my Windows XP, I get regular hot fixes sent automatically to my laptop. Shouldn't we expect the same or better in this face paced market?
Look, if some of these issues are allowed to fester for 2 more months, MS has earned all of the negative feedback they have asked for. This is a new OS for goodness sake, you want to put your best foot forward especially in a market served by vendors who have mature or maturing competitive products. If you can't, you want to appear to be as responsive as you can so missing features and real problems become non-issues. In other words, who cares, MS will fix it immediately.
This is unacceptable and anyone looking at this objectively must feel the same.

Agreed
neoxphuse said:
small updates, one every 2 weeks should be sufficient. i've had my for over a month now.
they need to implement faster. sometimes i don't understand. as the previous poster says, really? saving camera settings? come on.
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There is no excuse for this and other issues. AT&T and Samsung sell SDHC cards as accessories for the Samsung Focus. There are serious issues with these cards and several threads in these forums address those. No Flash support is a real issue. Many sites I visit regularly I can no longer view animations, something I could do with WM 6.5.X custom ROMs. Come on now, if the chefs customizing for WM 6.5.x can provide this, why can't MS? I am not going to go on. These are ussues and not missing features. How real is multi-tasking, who knows. How real are the three issues I mentioned above - very real!!! I went to the noaa.gov site to look at animated radar maps, no go. I tried to buy my daughter an ecard from Hallmark and tried to view the cards before buying - no go. This is rediculous. I am waiting for the telltale signs of sdhc card problems to begin popping up as I add more data. What kind of experience is this, MS. You want my vote on this and your sincerity in fixing these issues? I don't think so.

Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).

foxbat121 said:
Flash is Adobe product, nothing Microsoft can do to speed up the flash player development from Adobe (which outsourced all its devs to India).
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actually this isn't entirely true. whilst adobe flash is not microsoft's product as stated, it is up to MS on how the implementation is done. and MS has acknowledged that they are working closely with adobe to implement flash into windows phone without breaking it's integrity or hindering performance. hence for the august/september release of it.

MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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You do that... and remember to let us know in a few months when you've finished customising and hacking it so you can actually do something useful on it.

This is worrying. Looks like they were really really unready when releasing WP7.
This delay - if true - is really annoying.
Because some things on WP7 are idiotic and should be improved ASAP.
Camera not remembering settings is a joke. But I also think c&p should be here earlier.
But what is also worrying is how late will be the next update? When most of the countries will be supported? What about Bing?
Because all of the rumour I read is c&p. OK we need it.
But in fact looking as a whole, in most countries WP7 is still a cripppled product. I have no native letters in keyboard, no language support, can't buy Marketplace stuff etc.
Basically it is ridiculous. I see nowhere any sign of change.
With all the sympathy I don't imagine waiting a year or more for that, and considering amount of work which has to be done by MS... Looks like a bad JOKE.
I start to think that the first update will be decisive factor.

Call me weird, but I love the fact that camera resets itself to default settings, it's the best way to make quick shots and be sure the result will be more or less decent.
As regards update delay, you never know what's happening. They may have found a bug in their update system or whatever.

Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.

MartyLK said:
What I do is set my HD7 aside, for a time in the future when WP7 will be actually real and useful, and grab hold of my Android phone and use all the needed and desired features WP7 doesn't offer and be happy. Pictures are a breeze to take...with anything other than my HD7.
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Thanks that was really helpful
Joking aside, I actually like the way all my settings pop back to the defaults each time I take a new round of photos. I use the default settings 99% of the time and get pretty good results. If I set the camera for, I dunno, sepia, for one session, the last thing I want is to then quickly take an important pic later on, only for it to come out bloody sepia again, just because my last shoot was sepia.
The default settings are fine for those quick point-n-shoot moments, the moments where the dedicated camera button really helps capture the shot before its gone.
I for one think Microsoft should leave things as they are.

efjay said:
Just so you guys know, MS is now promoting the behaviour of the camera not saving settings as a FEATURE, clearly listed in their how-to on pictures; http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/pictures/take-a-picture-or-record-a-video.aspx. So I wouldnt necessarily expect a fix anytime soon.
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and Ballmer would use his favorite phrase: " it's not a bug, it's a feature!" xD... like who cares if nobody like it... =P Anyway the default mode is the best for many different conditions but it should have at least "save" option or avutosave and one button "default".

The first update is almost here!!

hello i'm an android user but i have great news for you. Microsoft released this kb article and this means that the first update for WP7 is almost here
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484/en-us

sammy_user said:
hello i'm an android user but i have great news for you. Microsoft released this kb article and this means that the first update for WP7 is almost here
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484/en-us
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Old news, old... It was released some time ago...

yea it is a few days old, but thanks for sharing with us though and please keep us informed of anything more you may find. appreciate you taking the step to come and share with us, even if you aren't a windows phone user.

Yeah despite this being old, this is a big indication we could see the update between tomorrow and next week. I'm sure Microsoft wants to get the update out before or during MWC so they have something worthwhile to present there.
Also, I'm expecting details of that second update at the MIX 11 developers conference this year. After all, MS introduced WP7 at MWC and then went into more detail when MIX came around.

Perhaps 7th Feb
Ive read that the update will be out on the 7th Feb.

I wouldn't count on Feb. 7 date, it may happen but don't get your hopes up. This rumour reminds me of the MS CES tablet stuff that never really happened. The original blog that reported Feb. 7 didn't provide any proof did they?

mayfly007 said:
Ive read that the update will be out on the 7th Feb.
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AFAIK, this is correct, but it's predicted for the "week of the 7th" so it could be any time next week. Can confirm the update is with carriers around the world.

Can I ask a possibly dumb question? Why is everyone so pumped for an update?
It's just, I know it'll speed up apps loading, and add copy+paste, etc. But I mean, even without it, wp7 is such a smooth OS, I just don't know what the rush is in hoping for an "OMG UPDATEZZ!!!1!111". It's not like wp7 is broken right now, and only an update will make it useable. And honestly I've only needed to use copy/paste once, and even then it wasn't a big deal...

I suspect everyone will be quite disappointed by the update...
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sure haven't said:
Can I ask a possibly dumb question? Why is everyone so pumped for an update?
It's just, I know it'll speed up apps loading, and add copy+paste, etc. But I mean, even without it, wp7 is such a smooth OS, I just don't know what the rush is in hoping for an "OMG UPDATEZZ!!!1!111". It's not like wp7 is broken right now, and only an update will make it useable. And honestly I've only needed to use copy/paste once, and even then it wasn't a big deal...
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C & P alone is a big deal, but maybe it will fix other broken aspects of the OS like random hard-resets, messed up market, etc..

Credibility
landwomble said:
I suspect everyone will be quite disappointed by the update...
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I suspect that none of the features/fixes in the update, by themselves or taken as a whole, will be a "big deal". For many of us, this is a test of Microsofts credibility and support for this OS. The real question is, are they going to become responsive to their user base and make serious attempts to keep current with their competition? Most of us are waiting to see how often they release updates and whether the contents of those updates are valuable to their user base. We won't know that for a few updates I am sure.

orangekid said:
messed up market, etc..
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You know what, yeah I can see that. The marketplace freezing is verrrrry annoying. Makes me feel like I'm on 6.5 again.
And this...
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random hard-resets
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...frightens me a little. Haven't heard of that before.

The real signal that the update is coming soon is when the Zune and Mac clients are updated to make backups. That's what I'm most looking forward to. Up until now there's no way to back up text messages, files, or app data and I have a lot of stuff on my phone I'd like to protect.

I use the Samsung Focus. I've never had any Market place issues with freeze ups, Ive certainly never had a random hard reset. I've only wished hard, around 4 times since 11/8/10 that I could copy and paste. I also haven't been able to view 90% of the embedded videos on the web sites Ive visited (Flash?). I want an update.. like 3 weeks ago like the big boys at MS said I would. I want to have enough faith in MS that come next upgrade I feel excited to update my hardware not my OS.

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I use the Samsung Focus. I've never had any Market place issues with freeze ups, Ive certainly never had a random hard reset. I've only wished hard, around 4 times since 11/8/10 that I could copy and paste. I also haven't been able to view 90% of the embedded videos on the web sites Ive visited (Flash?). I want an update.. like 3 weeks ago like the big boys at MS said I would. I want to have enough faith in MS that come next upgrade I feel excited to update my hardware not my OS.
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No lags, no issues with Marketplace, no resets, no freezes, two instances when copy and paste would have been nice, but countless need for Flash. Waiting to see what MS comes through with, and then the frequency of followup updates.

JamesAllen said:
No lags, no issues with Marketplace, no resets, no freezes, two instances when copy and paste would have been nice, but countless need for Flash. Waiting to see what MS comes through with, and then the frequency of followup updates.
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thats primarily up to Adobe.... and now that their development is outsourced to India I don't put too much faith in them...

z33dev33l said:
thats primarily up to Adobe.... and now that their development is outsourced to India I don't put too much faith in them...
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What's wrong with India?

vetvito said:
What's wrong with India?
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It's more the outsourcing period...

I need update. So many things missing.
Countless c&p lacks, flash..... Eeeeh, it's so annoying.
Marketplace works like crap sometimes - just hangs.
Also some apps are laggy.

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What's wrong with India?
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Nothing wrong with the country, but I've seen several references to how outsourcing to low-cost countries really doesn't lower the development cost...Here in Norway, it seems most of the outsourced projects gets scrapped because they never finish. Might be because it's hard to delegate to people almost on the other side of the world, might be differences in cultures etc etc.
I don't put too much trust in outsourcing at all...unless the management actually spend time with the team.

Some Ideas on KIN Improvments without replaceing the OS

I had some ideas this morning on what we could do to make the OS and usabilyity of the phone greater without hacking (I rolled out of bed and fell on the floor and then it came to me lol. Ironic right?).
*This will of course involve the browser which isnt the fastest but not the worst.
What if we made web applications for the KIN and a web apps store which basicially is like an android market turned into a mobile version and KINafied a bit and instead of downloads has links to webapps people have found and/or made. I would be willing to ut time into it if someone else will help and if you guys want this.
*Please leave a comment on your standpoint.

I stated this before. It was a work in progress called WebOS. I stated the idea, then people started to get involved and made it happen. Doesn't look like it will be done.

Yeah I know and it was a good idea so I stated it again because for some reason your posts always get passed off as bad, but I think some of them had good ideas.

That's not entirely true. I get impatient with people when they say "Just release the damn hack already" Or "Show some proof" I got annoyed so I gave up and gave those trolls what they deserved: Stuff to piss them off

True true but are you working on an online web app store optimized for the KIN or not? If you are can I be of any assistance?

I brought up the idea of web apps a long time ago but was simply blown off. I now have a Droid charge but still like to keep an eye on this forum. This is a good idea, but I do not have the apps I was using on my phone before I upgraded. However I did post them soif you look up my previous posts you could maybe as then to your list.
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Thanks I didnt even know they were up here. Can you tell me which page or what im looking for?

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I brought up the idea of web apps a long time ago but was simply blown off. I now have a Droid charge but still like to keep an eye on this forum. This is a good idea, but I do not have the apps I was using on my phone before I upgraded. However I did post them soif you look up my previous posts you could maybe as then to your list.
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Sorry to bust your bubble, but your idea wasn't blown off. I stated the idea before you and they tried. I don't know here you were when we started but one of the main person that was in on this (Alex Williams) Left the train ride if you know what I mean. We made some good progress too.

im not so sure about doing apps for the device as long as we cannot really rely on the case or browser hehaviour.
on the other hand,im making some tests that could let you plug your kin on one pc and access the content wherever you want,through web browser
kinda....kino web version. kin on the cloud...whatever
must ask some guys to see if its doable in windows. but for linux,and probably mac it works. i just tested the kinect samples.
also is all done on javascript so if releases is instantly opensource.
tldr; makin something like studio....but on your pc so you will have to have it powered on, and that stuff

Johnwhat would we do without you. That sounds great. My next suggestion was something like that. If we can add our own apps without changing the software Im fine with that too. But changing the software to something like ICS would be a bonus! Can you give a bit more detail on what your program does?

mmm its too late here so i will just say that this will be just like kino but the interface will be by browser and from any device.
except the kin itself haha,will be the host.
this lets you edit the interface and the code in stuff like notepad.
also using css templates, designers csn change the gui,extend it..whatever

Kinuser1
I was talking about a single game cached on the phone. Here is where I brought it up back in July 2011. forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15759037#post15759037
I don't see were you mentioned this at all and I just reread all your posts. You didn't burst my bubble because like all your posts you are trying to act smarter than everyone.
WEM If you look at my posts I think I listed the games I gound that cached.

Thanks but what im trying to get us to do is make a website based app store with web applications designed for the KIN. basically just until we can crack this thing.

Sounds good I'll keep an eye to see how the progress is coming I thought you could use some games that cached to use source code to put in your site. I will say I got a lot from an open source site and added the caching code and was housing on a local server die nee. Worked perfectly and lated on phone for songs 12hours with no internet
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I was talking about a single game cached on the phone. Here is where I brought it up back in July 2011. forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15759037#post15759037
I don't see were you mentioned this at all and I just reread all your posts. You didn't burst my bubble because like all your posts you are trying to act smarter than everyone.
WEM If you look at my posts I think I listed the games I gound that cached.
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Thanks for your smart comment bud. But, I didn;t post it on here. I posted it on the facebook group. Either way it's the past and it doesn't matter

Okay, well I'm not a member of the Facebook page so maybe you did. Either way it seems like the best workable solution for the kin. It worked great for me while I had my Kin, made the phone pretty useable when not around wifi. However, yall keep up the good work. I still have mine as a back up for my charge so I hope you make some progress. Also if anyone needs some testing I am willing to risks bricking my phone since it just sits in my attic
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Okay, well I'm not a member of the Facebook page so maybe you did. Either way it seems like the best workable solution for the kin. It worked great for me while I had my Kin, made the phone pretty useable when not around wifi. However, yall keep up the good work. I still have mine as a back up for my charge so I hope you make some progress. Also if anyone needs some testing I am willing to risks bricking my phone since it just sits in my attic
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I think the idea for a "Web store" or something like that, is out of the question. It's a good idea but the browser is slow, Plus we've tried this before..maybe I can ask people to try and do this again

to be honest... develop that would just take one evening.
the other stuff is just making it pretty.
the most imporant stuff is to store it somewhere.
and i may be... "overacting" but i wouldnt bet on someones personal site for storage of my "downloaded" or selected stuff.
Apart from that... well is a pity as kin doesnt accept ad-hoc networks so refreshing could be done from a laptop without internet.
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not gonna happen. If electronics guys help us, we could just plug the samsung chip and use the wiring on the right pins, so read it in serial (UART) mode and dump the content into bin files (including possible rom content) like has been done for other Movinand devices in this forum (XDA). Of course no one has interest, and i got no means to do so, even if i had found the samsung documents describing the wiring.
And the alternative, which is decoding what XNA game dev studio says is not easy for me, so imma not gonna do it, and there is no other way to create a installable/runnable app (so no "do half and...." stuff that is on the other thread)