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Note to NOOBS. You're really annoying. READ!

Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)

Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.

the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.

jasjamming said:
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work

tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!

this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.

jasjamming said:
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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xultar said:
Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.

AdamZhang said:
I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...

Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.

Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later

NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)

cruiserman said:
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,

ElGato65 said:
Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs

ROFLMAO!!!

Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).

having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.

Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.

CUSTEL said:
You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.

shogunmark said:
its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.

DroidThemer - Android Themes Website

Hey guys,
New to this board, but not to Android dev in general. I'm actually making this thread to gauge interest in an Android theme site? A quick search showed that there were at least 2 others considering sites, but nothing solid.
Since I make themes for phones, I'd actually started on a site a while back based on my iPhone theme site. The iPhone site was scrapped for the same reason the Android one was: it's way too hard to theme for average users! There's too much technical stuff, so I didn't think it would be worth it to make a site for a small group.
I've been revisiting the idea lately though since I stumbled upon the source code, and I still have the domain I grabbed last year. So, show of hands, anyone interested?

uh, actually the theme site is almost done, and there is already a ROM site in development, if you would like to help go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3807449#post3807449
thank you.
and, i dont see any of your themes anywhere, you signed up this month, have one post to date, and you spelled your user name wrong.

Clearly I ruffled your feathers.. I'll assume you're one of the ones working on the theme site.
As far as not seeing my themes anywhere, did you not read that I said that I scrapped the site because the public at large wouldn't benefit from it? As for me signing up this month, I signed up TODAY and I made note of the fact that I was new in my post.
I understand you may feel in someway threatened, but tone it down a bit.
*edit* so I did misspell the name (or rather mistyped on the iPhone I posted from). *tosses a cookie*

no offense, i have just seen 4 other people this month try to start a theme website while we have one in the works. and having so many people working on so many sites it would just turn into a mess. it seemed a little odd that your account was so new yet you said you had been theming for awhile.
if you seriously want to work on a theme site, then please go to the thread stated above, leave your info, check out what they have built so far.
we can definitely use the help.
i just didnt want to see another seemingly n00b trying to make yet another theme website.
i apologize for being rash in the first post, however you have to admit it looked a little odd, especially with the themesdroid thread on the same page.

Understandable, and I concede to your point. No noob here though, have been building websites for years.
For reference, www.ithemer.com is an old domain and is an example of the type of site that we had started for droidthemer - you can also check the whois and see that it wasn't just made today
As I said, I did do a search, but I didn't take note of the date, I thought it was a dead project as I did see posts discussing what to use and delays etc. For the most part, this was a completed site (including making screenshots from the uploaded assets - something ithemer has as well) that just never saw the light of day.
If these guys are going to launch soon and have the backing of the community, there isn't a need for another one.

theme site
DriodThemer said:
Hey guys,
New to this board, but not to Android dev in general. I'm actually making this thread to gauge interest in an Android theme site? A quick search showed that there were at least 2 others considering sites, but nothing solid.
Since I make themes for phones, I'd actually started on a site a while back based on my iPhone theme site. The iPhone site was scrapped for the same reason the Android one was: it's way too hard to theme for average users! There's too much technical stuff, so I didn't think it would be worth it to make a site for a small group.
I've been revisiting the idea lately though since I stumbled upon the source code, and I still have the domain I grabbed last year. So, show of hands, anyone interested?
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Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...

malaeus said:
uh, actually the theme site is almost done, and there is already a ROM site in development, if you would like to help go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3807449#post3807449
thank you.
and, i dont see any of your themes anywhere, you signed up this month, have one post to date, and you spelled your user name wrong.
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If there was a like button below posts, or a star tab, I would click it 800 times for this post. LOL!

parmijo11 said:
Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...
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I'm actually not sure what your post means. I'm not being sarcastic either. I don't get what you mean about devs being busy with their projects? I'm not asking any devs to join in? I was asking if anyone was interested in the launch of a mostly-complete site.
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If there was a like button below posts, or a star tab, I would click it 800 times for this post. LOL!
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Why so? Did you read our exchange past his initial (understandable) suspicions? Or were you just out for a good "burn"?
as I have said, if there is no interest, or another option is just about done, then no biggie. I'm not here to spam, flame or cause problems. I'd appreciate the same respect.

A break
I'd just like to say, that this person has already admited to being new to the forum. It has been established that this person has experience in modding
software for mobile devices, as well as designing websites. I am of the opinion that this person could be a valuable asset to this community. I don't think it is
a good idea to act so rashly to someone who obviously isn't familiar with the vast amount of new people who just post wherever.
Try to be a little more positive. If every new poster is treated with this type of elitist attitude it doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, and they could be
turned away from the forum.

darylfrancis said:
I'd just like to say, that this person has already admited to being new to the forum. It has been established that this person has experience in modding
software for mobile devices, as well as designing websites. I am of the opinion that this person could be a valuable asset to this community. I don't think it is
a good idea to act so rashly to someone who obviously isn't familiar with the vast amount of new people who just post wherever.
Try to be a little more positive. If every new poster is treated with this type of elitist attitude it doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, and they could be
turned away from the forum.
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I agree, if he'd like to start his own site let him, we already have 1 theme site that has been up for a while while the other one is still being planned. For other phones there are multiple sites, what does it matter how many there are if it serves the community as a whole. And just because Driod is new doesn't mean he hasn't themed for android before. I'm sure there are plenty of people on other sites that make themes that are never seen here. XDA is not the only place people go for android discussions.

Thanks for the words daryl. As I said, I don't really fault him for being suspicious off the bat, in a tight-knit community that may be prone to spam/noobness, it's easy to become accustomed to raising the eyebrow first.
I was more annoyed with the follow-up posters that didn't seem to read the thread but still wanted to jump on the bandwagon.
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I agree, if he'd like to start his own site let him, we already have 1 theme site that has been up for a while while the other one is still being planned.
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I know themesdroid is planned, is there one already live? Competition is good, but at the same time, you don't want to beat a dead horse. If there's a good solution, let it ride.
Also, a site like this doesn't thrive without the help of the community, so again, I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers, it wasn't my intention

how insecure do you have to be malaeus (or whatever)
Oh my god Malaeus or whatever his name is being super lame for acting like a complete jackass. I nominate him for douchebag of the year; I mean how completely rude of you to act like you own the internet (who are you supposed to be? Al Gore). GOD FOBID someone make a website about something they like. I guess androidguys.com droiddev droidappz g1wallz allshadow and ****ing HTC & T-Mobile must have his expressed written consent to create anything G1 related huh? I personally have sold/designed 7 websites these past two months and don't recall asking anyone in the related fields if I could do so before buying the domain names. Jesus, lose the lame ass god complex (or short man's syndrome) as for DroidThemer, I personally will register to your site simply because I'm not an ahole who is afraid of change/challenge or competition. Maybe someone (malaeus) should try to get off their high horse or learn a little common courtesy. DroidThemer as a fellow graphic/web-designer id love to help in any way to design your site. Email me.

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Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...
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Looks like parmijo11 is not paying attention, as the guy clearly stated that he themes for bot iphone and android. ugh, had to add my 2 cents.

i want to point out another fact to people mainly maleus just because you dont have alot of posts on the forum doesnt mean anything take a look at when i signed up and how many posts i have to date not many but that doesnt mean i dont know anything ive made alot of themes not only for android but also windows mobile, manilla 2d, and blackberry but alot of my themes i did not post, mine were mainly for personal use or for friends who had requests but couldnt find the theme they wanted. but now we all know why i dont have many post because of people that dont have any common courtesy for other people and in the end its those ppl that are hurting the rest of the community not the people that come on here start an account and use their first post to propose a genuinely good idea !!!

Well, if there is honest interest, I could go forward with producing the site. I had an idea to help make themes ROM-agnostic, but it looks like even if it worked, it would be obsolete in a few months when people start altering the XML layout files.

i say go for it

alright, gonna finish up this theme site for another platform and then look into the best way to execute that

I honestly see this community if it keeps up like it is with all the [email protected] being talked in this thread going to turn into the Evo one. For those that don't know quick back story. 2 major shops have split the community because of there hate for another and have blasted both who support them. This is how this is looking. Look at the Honda community its all apart and will never be like it used to be because of this. This is NOT what we need to happen here. Please make this site and for kicks talk with the guys doing the other one and link them because only good thing that comes from multiple sites are compition and I'm sorry but if there was only one car company it would produce crap because it could. 2 major sites "fighting" but acting like one will only make sure both are on top of there game. So please one more beg of making the site.

alright, what I'm going to do initially is just allow uploading of wallpapers and themes and specification of which ROM it's for. When I get a little time, I'll fight with the idea of automatically porting themes.
I know there are some ROMs whose themes are similar so that shouldn't be an issue. So perhaps I'll make it where you can check off if you want the site to try to port for you or you can upload your own port.

cool
go for it!
i shall be your first member

So it begins to end

Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.

this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future

Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium

This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
Sent from the pink Unicorn from the Darkside.

RushAOZ said:
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.

LoopDoGG79 said:
This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
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Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?

Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!

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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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It's time to upgrade then

Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.

There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!

I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?

Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?

Rekzer said:
dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.

Where's the development (Beef)?

All I see is a bunch of little kid hobbiests or elitists that never actually interact with the public. Half of these topics have no files because they're not maintained. And the other half blatantly lie to get views. What ever happened to being proud of your work and seeing something through to the end?
And where are the mods in this? While I know XDA allows and even encourages elitism; what about the lying and ill maintained threads? It just makes you look bad. I say, as a community, we need to stand up to this creeping illness and put a stop to it.
Admittedly, there are a couple of good hobbiests that try their best to maintain. I don't fault you guys.

Will you be a little thankful? The threads which have no files are from just 3 accounts belonging to the same person who got banned. These people, even those whom you call 'hobbyists' are spending their time to provide you with stuff which they are not being paid to do they may be learning and their skills will only increase over time. Most of all, this device has outdated hardware and is very difficult to develop for. So if you want more development, buy a One X or a Galaxy S3
Sent from my bowl of jelly!

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Will you be a little thankful? The threads which have no files are from just 3 accounts belonging to the same person who got banned. These people, even those whom you call 'hobbyists' are spending their time to provide you with stuff which they are not being paid to do they may be learning and their skills will only increase over time. Most of all, this device has outdated hardware and is very difficult to develop for. So if you want more development, buy a One X or a Galaxy S3
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OR....I could start a controversial thread in the forum of which I own a phone, challenging the lack of professionalism or decorum that seems to get worse and worse here. YOUR post being a perfect example.
This post was meant to be a challenge but turned into a complaint. For that, I apologize. But the sentiment still stands. We should ask for a little bit more accountability from these people if they want the crown of "developer". Dead links, no support and empty rom threads should be frowned upon. Not defended so blindly as you have.
And the people of whom I speak aren't banned, they post daily. Even einstiens files are mirrored.

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All I see is a bunch of little kid hobbiests or elitists that never actually interact with the public. Half of these topics have no files because they're not maintained. And the other half blatantly lie to get views. What ever happened to being proud of your work and seeing something through to the end?
And where are the mods in this? While I know XDA allows and even encourages elitism; what about the lying and ill maintained threads? It just makes you look bad. I say, as a community, we need to stand up to this creeping illness and put a stop to it.
Admittedly, there are a couple of good hobbiests that try their best to maintain. I don't fault you guys.
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If you do not know.......the wildfire S is a budget phone and the ones usually using them are either newbies or learning developers
If you want some serious development....you should probably get a mid-range or high-end phone...This is the best you'll get on such a device
And as for the mod,I also agree that he doesnt look much into this forum

The whole dev section is full of unfinished and buggy ROMs with little or no maintenance and support... but its an old device development was probably thriving back in its day
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The whole dev section is full of unfinished and buggy ROMs with little or no maintenance and support... Sent from Sony Neo
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I see you got a Sony Neo now. Please leave this section if you don't have anything useful to say. More interesting stuff in the Neo forum for you!!
We can say we got some good roms over here, CM7/9/10, MIUI, some sense ROMs etc. Support and maintenance is given to these ROMs until they are bugfree or there isn't a reason to update. CM9 is finished. It is bugfree and the CM team doesn't update its ICS repo's anymore. CM7 is finished too I find. Sense ROMs don't need support. They should just work flawlessly. And MIUI is up to the latest build it can be.
There are some unfinished ROMs out here. Check their thread and rating and leave it, simple as that.
So what I want to say is, show a little more respect to people who do this for free in their spare time. Most likely, the Wildfire S is our first smartphone and we started learning from zero. If you want something better, join the club and learn a bit more!! Up to today, there are only a handful devs for this device (gladiac, alquez, benjamin, dudeman, einstein, woefelderelict, me, ...).
If you see where we came from a year ago and now. I can say this community has given some great stuff.
I could never imagen that MIUIv4 could run on this phone
What makes it even more special is that this device doesn't have official ICS and powerful hardware.
If I see the One X getting CM10 for example, it's like "whatever, nothing special".

If you want Professionalism then pay and hire a Professional.
Stated by others all the development here is VOLUNTARY and at WILL…Remember all the people on XDA come from different walks of life and have different temperaments. XDA is also sort of a social forum where people of the same interests can self-promote, if you are annoyed about this then just ignore it, move on and if think those is not within the guidelines of the forum then report it. Only the popular device forums get most of the moderators’ attention.
You have to understand Developers are doing all this with their time, effort and own funds. It is at their election to maintain, and release any newer builds, which some do. Try building a ROM yourself and then try pleasing everyone who wants to use/try it, you will find it is not that easy. As for dead links, yes there are many, but that is how the internet of FREE file hosting service is, they will only host a file for limited time then purge the file for newer files.
I am not flaming you, do understand that this is a hobbyist community with people from around the world that help, and share what they have learned. Most posts are of people that have an issue with their device and wanting a fix, and then they disappear after they found an answer to their problem.
I am grateful for ALL the developers who have given their talent, knowledge, time and thoughts to this community no matter how small.
Just my two cents.

Henry_01 said:
I see you got a Sony Neo now. Please leave this section if you don't have anything useful to say. More interesting stuff in the Neo forum for you!!
We can say we got some good roms over here, CM7/9/10, MIUI, some sense ROMs etc. Support and maintenance is given to these ROMs until they are bugfree or there isn't a reason to update. CM9 is finished. It is bugfree and the CM team doesn't update its ICS repo's anymore. CM7 is finished too I find. Sense ROMs don't need support. They should just work flawlessly. And MIUI is up to the latest build it can be.
There are some unfinished ROMs out here. Check their thread and rating and leave it, simple as that.
So what I want to say is, show a little more respect to people who do this for free in their spare time. Most likely, the Wildfire S is our first smartphone and we started learning from zero. If you want something better, join the club and learn a bit more!! Up to today, there are only a handful devs for this device (gladiac, alquez, benjamin, dudeman, einstein, woefelderelict, me, ...).
If you see where we came from a year ago and now. I can say this community has given some great stuff.
I could never imagen that MIUIv4 could run on this phone
What makes it even more special is that this device doesn't have official ICS and powerful hardware.
If I see the One X getting CM10 for example, it's like "whatever, nothing special".
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Only my opinion man... didnt mean to offend any1
Sent from Sony Neo - AOKP 4.1.1 (compiled)

Xda people are so rude. xD No Offence.

I concur.
Please show me a Rom that's posted for the marvelc, and I'll show you a rom that's unusable. And jelly bean?!? Even though there's multiple titles that say we have it. THERE IS NONE. I'm not trying to bag on the skill level. (Even though I did) Mostly it's the maturity, and the lack of responsibility for the work that is done here.
But whatever, I get it. I'm wrong and I'll stop talking.

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I concur.
Please show me a Rom that's posted for the marvelc, and I'll show you a rom that's unusable. And jelly bean?!? Even though there's multiple titles that say we have it. THERE IS NONE. I'm not trying to bag on the skill level. (Even though I did) Mostly it's the maturity, and the lack of responsibility for the work that is done here.
But whatever, I get it. I'm wrong and I'll stop talking.
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here's one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1776912
Wild Child sense nothing left to update and works well on marvelc or get the HenseMod VM patch and flash after you flash most marvel Roms. see lots of development for a year

what happened to the old XDA

the one where it wasn't overly moderated and had fast loading pages without so many ads?
did someone new take over this site? because the old one was much better,. seems now every thread has assigned moderator or something. the old site was just fine without all the moderators and the community seems to manage just fine and there was a lot less drama.
i don't know what happened, and even though the opinion from one user might not matter, it would be nice if some nostalgia was brought back to this site, because again, it was much better before and i'm sure i'm not the only one that feels this way.

Someone typed up something similar before except it said XDA doesn't have enough moderation. Hmm...
Well, we can't please everyone.

tft said:
the one where it wasn't overly moderated and had fast loading pages without so many ads?
did someone new take over this site? because the old one was much better,. seems now every thread has assigned moderator or something. the old site was just fine without all the moderators and the community seems to manage just fine and there was a lot less drama.
i don't know what happened, and even though the opinion from one user might not matter, it would be nice if some nostalgia was brought back to this site, because again, it was much better before and i'm sure i'm not the only one that feels this way.
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We get a lot of people talking about "the good old days", and I do know where you're coming from. We've now got nearly 6,000,000 members though, and hundreds of different device forums. Also, the devices that we used to cater for were more likely to be owned by people that were already technically minded before coming here, whereas now we get a LOT of people coming here to learn. It's great that we have so many eager people joining who want to gain knowledge from the site and then hopefully start to put some back in, but we also get the moronic spoon feeding requests a lot more. Basically, more people brings more of all these things.
Things have just changed and we've all rolled along together and we are where we are. If you have any specific issues or suggestions then we're always ready to listen and discuss things.
Just try and see it as different to how it was, and hopefully you'll find the right place for you to fit into it now