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Anyone knows is this phone (USA T-Mobile) works in Europe??

It 100% works on GSM and EDGE (2G and 2.5G)
As for 3G, I assume it may work on the 2100 band in Europe (does anyone know enough to clarify on that). However your operator in Europe may work on another band than 2100, since there are two 3G bans in Europe. Generally operators used 2100 first and then subsequent licenses were other bands. So in Norway, I know both 3G carriers use 2100 exclusively, but you should check with your carrier and clarify that T-Mobile USA supports the EU 2100 band and not just AWS (which is a mix of 1700 and 2100).

Thanks for quick reply. 3G works on WCDMA standard? If it is so, my operator use 2100 mhz so maybe it will be working, it will be my first 3G phone so I'm not sure what I suppose to check.

I found this:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mob...1;jsessionid=2085F63B05DB5B6FFA511D3C33A9EE69
According to this site TMobile touch pro 2 phone use Bands: 1 (2100) & 4 (AWS 1700/2100).
Band 1 is Europe standars so I hope it will be wroking.
I let you know when I get the phone.

Any particular reason you are getting the USA T-Mobile version and not the EU version or one from a local carrier?
Also the T-Mobile version is locked, so you will need to unlock it using the tools on this site.
If you get 3G or not should be pretty obvious. If an H or 3G icon appears, you have 3G. Otherwise if the data icon shows E or G then its only getting 2G.

the main reason is the price
tmo $450 vs eu $650

Yes main reason is the price. I get this phone for 270$ in my country it coasts about 550$. I know I must unlock it but first I must get it to my hand.

American T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 and travel

Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.

tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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the t-mobile rhodium supports UMTS 1700 and UMTS 2100 so if canada and/europe use those bands for UMTS (3G) then yes it will work. If not, the device is quad band GSM so no problem using voice and EDGE for data.
Also make sure the device is unlocked if you plan to put another carrier's SIMcard in the device.

tinpanalley said:
Will I be ok travelling with this phone to Europe and Canada and getting 3G? Will the bands work? If not, is there something that can be done to make it work? I'm abot to get one and would like to confirm.
Thanks.
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Not sure about Canada...but TmoUSA 3G bands are different than Euro-3G.
Unrelated, but worth mentioning: the T-Mobile USA international roaming charge for data is steep -- $15/megabyte.
If you got a Euro sim card that would fix the $, but not the radio (for 3G).

The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.

jamssx said:
The T-Mobile version supports AWS and 2100 3G so works fine in Europe and most other locations. Had 3G T-Mobile and 3G Orange in the UK, but I would suggest a local SIM too. For the UK, both T-Mobile UK prepaid and Virgin UK prepaid work in a locked T-Mobile TP2 or get it unlocked for more choices.
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You used a T-Mobile USA version of the TP2 in Europe and had a usable 3G data connection?? Hmmm...that's the first I've read of this.
If this is well-known (and if so, maybe I'm just clueless ) can you provide a link to more discussion, that is...uhh...evidence...of it? Not about what bands the USA version supports -- I know that part -- but other reports/disucssion of it actually working.
On the other hand, are there any reports of a Euro-TP2 that can work on 3G bands in the USA?

USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.

quid246 said:
USA TMO TP2 will work on TMO 3G in USA. It may also work on WIND Mobile for 3G data here in Canada, not sure about voice as they are using some strange network setup.
As the phone is UMTS 2100 capable, it will get 3G data and voice in most places in Europe and Asia.
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Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.

MCbrian said:
Have you tried a TmoUSA TP2 in Europe or Asia -- yourself -- and accessed 3G data?
I'm still doubtful, but I actually hope I'm wrong 'cause I'd love to be able to get 3G data on my TmoUSA TP2 while traveling in Europe...as long as I get a Euro sim card. Otherwise, faster data just means more roaming-$$.
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Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS

TP2 overseas vs versions
I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.

drjby4 said:
I believe, as I've use phones often in the US and overseas, that T-mobile uses 1700 UMTS in the US, but that their TP2 is also 2100 UMTS. Just as At&t Tilt uses 850 & 1900 UMTS (At&t requires both frequencies), but also has 2100 UMTS. As such, both should work in most European, African and Asian countries (verizon and sprint you,re mostly screwed).
I believe the older Tytn II (tilt) was sold world wide as a 850/1900/2100 phone, so you could basically buy it anywhere and use it here on At&t only for 3g or T-mobile Edge only. Unfortunately, the TP2 is sold mostly as a 900/2100 UMTS worldwide outside the US, so you are stuck buying the US versions that correspond to the US networks. The bonus of the At&t tilit 2 version is that it is 850/1900/2100, so it will work almost anywhere. The drawback of the T-mobile TP2 is that 1700 is used by almost no one and while you can use it in most of the aforementioned places, you can't use it in the Americas outside the US & Canada.
Check out this handy wiki UMTS page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks
Just a note, I almost always pick up a pay as you go sim in other countries- much cheaper and very little hassle. Worth it for anything over a week stay. Maybe not as much so in some of Western Europe.
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That is correct. Apparently they are only able to have 3 3G frequencies (though NTT DoCoMo is currently working on a chip that can handle 8 frequencies!)
At first Europe only used 2100MHz 3G and AT&T had set up on 850MHz/1900MHz. Since those were the only 3 bands, HTC would put all three of those bands in its phones up to the Tilt (Kaiser). Once they made the Raphael though, there was 900MHz 3G in Europe and T-Mobile had chosen the AWS band.
Since they can apparently only put 3 bands in, and Europe now needed two for 900MHz/2100MHz, they could no longer put but of AT&T's frequencies in. So they must have just dropped them.
The AT&T version (FUZE) has 850MHz/1900MHz and also has 2100MHz, which is the dominant band for 3G in Europe. I am not sure if they are using 900MHz there yet, but they decided that was more important to put in the European ones than AT&T's bands.
T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)

petard said:
Check the specifications. It supports both 1700 and 2100 UMTS. That means it will work in Europe. ALL Touch Pro 2's have 2100MHz UMTS and quadband GSM, every single one of them, including the CDMA ones. The carrier specific ones add certain bands.
European Touch Pro 2s have UMTS 900
CDMA Touch Pro 2s have CDMA bands
T-Mobile USA has 1700MHz AWS band
AT&T has 850/1900MHz UMTS
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It doesn't just support 1700 and 2100, it uses both to work: 1700 for up/send and 2100 for down/receive. So, how does the Tmo USA radio cope without 1700 band for up/send when it's expecting it?
petard said:
T-Mobile's 3G phones get AWS and 2100MHz. I think AWS might use 2 of the bands because it is split on 1700MHz and 2100MHz (but a different 2100MHz apparently, maybe low 2100MHz vs high, I'm not sure)
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So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...

MCbrian said:
So, the full story (?) is that T-Mobile uses 1700+2100 (up/down) in the USA (which is what I already understood/knew) and in addition to that pair there's a separate slightly-different 2100 band that's used outside the USA? -- That, I didn't know.
If that's the explanation, that makes sense. But confusing that there's 2 different 2100 bands...
I may have to use some frequent-flyer miles and go check it out...
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According to Wikipedia, UMTS Band I (commonly known as 2100MHz) uses 1920 - 1980 for uplink and 2110 - 2170 for downlink while UMTS Band IV (AWS, 1700MHz) uses 1710 - 1755 for uplink and 2110 - 2155 for downlink.
Band II (1900MHz) uses 1850 - 1910 for uplink and 1930 - 1990 for downlink and band V (850MHz) uses 824 - 849 for uplink and 869 - 894 for downlink. The uplink and download for these are close, unlike bands I and IV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I just assume they are only able to have 3 different frequencies since I have yet to see a UMTS phone with 4 frequencies. But as I wrote this, I'm not too sure because there were phones with Band I, Band II, and Band IV which would mean that there are chips capable for 4 different frequencies? Who knows, maybe someone with actual technical knowledge about this can say.
Also according to that page, there are five different UMTS bands deployed across the world. A bit of a pain. That is more then GSM ever had and who knows if it will grow to even more. LTE also will be coming in before GSM is phased out, so we are going to have to have phones that have GSM, UMTS, AND LTE. GSM will be no problem, quadband has been standard for a while, but having a phone that has both your carriers UMTS and LTE frequencies is going to be tough unless you buy it from your carrier.
What they should have done is just used the band names, and not their frequencies. It would be much easier to know that Europe runs on band I and T-Mobile USA runs on band IV and the T-Mobile Rhodium supports both Band I and Band IV.

[Q] Which version phone to get? International or unlocked T-Mobile?

Hi,
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks in anticipation of getting a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and am still confused(especially with the news about each version of the phone being region-locked).
My intention is to use the phone here in the United States on T-Mobile and also in Philippines(via a local SIM card purchased there). I've heard that the International version(N9005) only supports 2G(Edge) on T-Mobile here in the United States. Does that version support all bands(2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, etc.) in Philippines?
Does anyone know if the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone will also support the same bands used in Philippines when I take it there?
Because it seems in my case it might be better to get the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone so I could possibly still use it in Philippines at their maximum available speed in addition to being able to use the maximum speeds on T-Mobile's network here in the U.S.
Also, are there any specific pros and cons with each of the two versions of the phone?
Any info would be very appreciated.

ducster_usa said:
Hi,
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks in anticipation of getting a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and am still confused(especially with the news about each version of the phone being region-locked).
My intention is to use the phone here in the United States on T-Mobile and also in Philippines(via a local SIM card purchased there). I've heard that the International version(N9005) only supports 2G(Edge) on T-Mobile here in the United States. Does that version support all bands(2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, etc.) in Philippines?
Does anyone know if the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone will also support the same bands used in Philippines when I take it there?
Because it seems in my case it might be better to get the T-Mobile unlocked version of the phone so I could possibly still use it in Philippines at their maximum available speed in addition to being able to use the maximum speeds on T-Mobile's network here in the U.S.
Also, are there any specific pros and cons with each of the two versions of the phone?
Any info would be very appreciated.
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Here's what I know about Philippines (source):
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100

[Info from your link]
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100
Thank you for your response and the helpful link. It looks like both the International(N9005) and T-Mobile unlocked versions of the phone will support both of the 2G and 3G bands. For the 4g band, the respective phone covers the following Philippines 4g bands:
International(N9005) version: LTE 1800, 2100
unlocked T-Mobile version: LTE 2100
What I'm wondering is if it will be possible to use the unlocked T-Mobile version of the Note 3 in Philippines using a local sim purchased there? If so, then it seems like it will be more beneficial to purchase that version of the phone since it will allow me faster speeds(4g) while here in the United States while also allowing me to use their LTE2100 band for 4g speeds.
Thanks for any insight you can provide me.

ducster_usa said:
[Info from your link]
2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities UMTS 850, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities LTE 850, LTE 1800, LTE 2100
Thank you for your response and the helpful link. It looks like both the International(N9005) and T-Mobile unlocked versions of the phone will support both of the 2G and 3G bands. For the 4g band, the respective phone covers the following Philippines 4g bands:
International(N9005) version: LTE 1800, 2100
unlocked T-Mobile version: LTE 2100
What I'm wondering is if it will be possible to use the unlocked T-Mobile version of the Note 3 in Philippines using a local sim purchased there? If so, then it seems like it will be more beneficial to purchase that version of the phone since it will allow me faster speeds(4g) while here in the United States while also allowing me to use their LTE2100 band for 4g speeds.
Thanks for any insight you can provide me.
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Definitely T-Mobile version unlocked.
Not just it has penta-HSPA, but you can use wifi calling with T-Mobile SIM attached to keep using your US number under wifi mode (and save you from roaming).

Do you guys know, if the unlocked t mobile version will allow us to use it with local SIM card when we are travelling oversea?

Sprint LG-LS980 that was unlocked for T-Mobile, but no LTE service

First off, I hope I am putting this in the proper section. The LG G2 I have is an original Sprint-branded device (LG-LS980), but it has been rooted/modded/flashed to be compatible with T-Mobile and I am hoping for some help with getting the phone to receive T-Mobile's LTE signal, so I wasn't sure what LG G2 section to post this in (Sprint's or T-Mobile's). If this is not the right place, please let me know where I should post it and I will be glad to move it to/re-post it in the appropriate section.
With that stated, I bought this phone from someone off of Craigslist two days ago. It was listed as an "Unlocked LG G2" and when I texted the guy and asked him what carrier the phone was for, he told me it was for T-Mobile; so I believed/assumed it was a T-Mobile LG G2 device that was also unlocked. When I met the guy in person, he was very friendly and gave me time to check out the phone myself and to test my T-Mobile SIM card in it. When I turned the phone on after inserting my SIM card to make a test call, the 'T-Mobile LTE' screen was shown during the startup process, which further led me to believe that it was, indeed, an actual T-Mobile LG G2. So, I bought the phone for $260. After I left and got to use the phone for a while, I noticed that there was no T-Mobile logo on the back of the phone, so I Googled the model number (LG-LS980) and realized that it was actually a Sprint device. After realizing this, I also noticed that the phone only displayed the '4G' logo on the front screen, which led me to believe that it was not picking up an LTE signal (I am not familiar with the LG G2, so I wasn't sure what symbol would be displayed). After logging in with my Google account and downloading/installing the SpeedTest.net app, I ran a few tests and it's definitely not getting LTE speeds; it even seems to be getting relatively-slow speeds for 4G/HSPA+ (around 6Mbps Up/2Mbps Down).
So, my question is this: Can this Sprint LG G2 properly receive an LTE signal with a T-Mobile SIM card? And if so, what do I need to do to make this happen?
For the record, the person who rooted/flashed/modded this phone seems to have done a good job in making it compatible with T-Mobile (for the most part). To my knowledge, everything other than picking up T-Mobile's LTE signal seems to be in excellent working order. The camera works nicely; even on 4G, opening webpages is still fast; the music player works; text and picture messaging work properly; and WiFi-calling is even showing up in the Settings as an option (which, to my knowledge, is exclusively a T-Mobile feature. The phone is even showing up as an LG-D801 in the device's Settings.
I also want to add that there is an icon for 'SuperSu Installer' with a message that reads, "Tap to install SuperSU and root your device," but I have been scared to even mess with this feature. I did click the SuperSU icon and a page opened that showed this: "SuperSu is not yet fully installed - your device is not fully rooted. To finish rooting, the SuperSU GUI needs to be installed. This can be done by instaling it through GooglePlay, or by downloading the flashable ZIP and installing it through TWRP." And there is some more to the message below that, but I did not want to take the time to type every word.
So, do I need to go through the process of "fully rooting" this phone in order to be able to properly receive an LTE signal with my T-Mobile SIM card? Or could I possibly damage the phone by trying that process without knowing what I'm actually doing? Or, is completing the rooting process something that needs to be done regardless, even if it's not going to help with with the LTE issue?
Also, I tried to change the APN settings in hopes of getting LTE to work, but the option to change/alter the APN settings seems to be disabled. Does this likely have something to do with the phone not being fully rooted?
I also want to mention that when I went to check for an update in the 'Update Center,' it is showing an 'Android System Update' that is specifically for T-Mobile and it's apparently 149.6 MB in size. Should I try to download and install this T-Mobile update? Or is this something that should not be done without fully rooting the phone with SuperSU Installer?
Also, for the record, it is currently running Android version 4.2.2, Kernel version 3.4.0, Build number JDQ39B, and Software version D80110c
I apologize for writing such a lengthy post, but I wanted to be thorough and try to give as much pertinent information as I could think of. FYI, the LG G2 I have is a 32GB device. I am considering just trying to trade it for a Nexus 5, Galaxy S4 or HTC One, to someone who knows about rooting/flashing/modding, but I figured I would at least ask if there might be a simple fix for the LTE issue before trying to trade/sell it.
I would sincerely appreciate any help that I get! And if I need to make a donation for the help, I would be glad to do so. Also, I can provide pictures and/or screenshots for any detailed information that I may need to provide to help with this issue. Thanks very much in advance to anyone who tries to help me with this issue!!

If its indeed the Sprint LS980 and not the T-Mobile D801, then you got screwed because the LTE bands are not compatible. File a complaint and get your money back. He probably modded it to enable GSM. If you sell it to a Sprint user make sure everything is back to stock or it may brick during an OTA, which the next person would blame you for.

Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521276
Sent from my LS980 4G using Tapatalk

abhinav.tella said:
If its indeed the Sprint LS980 and not the T-Mobile D801, then you got screwed because the LTE bands are not compatible. File a complaint and get your money back. He probably modded it to enable GSM. If you sell it to a Sprint user make sure everything is back to stock or it may brick during an OTA, which the next person would blame you for.
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Thanks for replying. As for what you're suggesting, that the Sprint LG G2 is not capable of receiving T-Mobile's LTE signal because of it not having the necessary LTE bands, are you absolutely sure of this? And if so, do you mean that it will not receive any LTE signal whatsoever with a T-Mobile SIM card? Or that it just does not have the proper bands to detect/receive all of the LTE bands?
As for the phone I have actually being the Sprint LG G2 (LG-LS980) device, I am sure that's what it is, as that is the model number that is on the bottom of the back of the phone. However, as I stated, I bought it from someone off of Craigslist (not eBay), so there is no way for me to file a complaint. However, I think I should be able to re-sell it and get my money back, as $260 seems to be a good/reasonable price for a 32GB model in excellent condition.
sudosurootdev said:
Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521276
Sent from my LS980 4G using Tapatalk
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Thanks for the link. I clicked it and checked out that thread, but I was not really sure what it was about. Are you suggesting that I could/should possibly go through the process to try to "Obtain Your MSL, Update PRL, Connect to DFS," because it might enable the phone I have to properly receive T-Mobile's LTE signal? If you would reply to this question and explain to me what good you think trying to go through that process might do for my situation, I would really appreciate it.
By the way, sorry for not replying last night, y'all. I work late-nights and was quite tired after I got home around 6:00 a.m. this morning.

Sprint LS980 uses 1900 MHz, 850 MHz, 2500 Mhz for LTE
2G: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900
3G: UMTS2100 (B1)
4G: LTE1900 (B25), LTE800 (B26), TD-LTE2500 (B41)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=5490&c=lg_ls980_g2_td-lte
Verizon VS980 uses the 700 Mhz, 1700/2100 Mhz bands for LTE
2G: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900
3G: UMTS850 (B5), UMTS900 (B8), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1)
4G: LTE700 (B13), LTE1700/2100 (B4)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=4726&c=lg_vs980_g2_4g_lte
T-Mobile D801 uses the 700 Mhz, 1900 Mhz, 1700/2100 Mhz bands for LTE
2G: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900
3G: UMTS850 (B5), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1)
4G: LTE700 (B17), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1900 (B2)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=4810&c=lg_g2_d801_4g_lte
AT&T D800 uses the 700 Mhz, 850Mhz, 1900 Mhz, 1700/2100 Mhz bands for LTE
2G: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900
3G: UMTS850 (B5), UMTS1900 (B2), UMTS2100 (B1)
4G: LTE700 (B17), LTE850 (B5), LTE1700/2100 (B4), LTE1900 (B2)
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=4978&c=lg_g2_d800_4g_lte
Bands are limited by hardware, not software.
Also note the Sprint 1900 Mhz LTE and Verizon 700 Mhz LTE bands are not compatible with the T-Mobile/AT&T 700 Mhz and 1900 Mhz LTE band as they use a different part of that spectrum.

abhinav.tella said:
Bands are limited by hardware, not software.
Also note the Sprint 1900 Mhz LTE and Verizon 700 Mhz LTE bands are not compatible with the T-Mobile/AT&T 700 Mhz and 1900 Mhz LTE band as they use a different part of that spectrum.
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Sorry for quoting the entire post, but I'm at work and on my LG F3 (which has a really small screen), but are you specifically stating that it's physically impossible to get T-Mobile's LTE signal with the Sprint version of the LG G2 because it literally lacks the necessary physical hardware to be able to receive it?

AzAssassin said:
Sorry for quoting the entire post, but I'm at work and on my LG F3 (which has a really small screen), but are you specifically stating that it's physically impossible to get T-Mobile's LTE signal with the Sprint version of the LG G2 because it literally lacks the necessary physical hardware to be able to receive it?
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Yes, only the AT&T and T-Mobile versions are inter compatible with the AT&T version having one extra band (850 Mhz)
For future reference use PDADB.net for accurate hardware information including sub-models. Its very good.

I wasn't aware that Sprint started using sim cards. Is this a hybrid GSM/CDMA phone? And which bands go with which?
So will this phone work, after unlocking, work with Chinese 3G (Band I 2100MHz) and 4G (Band 41 2500MHz) networks?

ther00kie16 said:
I wasn't aware that Sprint started using sim cards. Is this a hybrid GSM/CDMA phone? And which bands go with which?
So will this phone work, after unlocking, work with Chinese 3G (Band I 2100MHz) and 4G (Band 41 2500MHz) networks?
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Sprint and Verizon's LTE technology requires the use of SIM cards because the device will connect to both the older network and the newer one at the same time. If you yank a SIM card from either carrier's device it will still connect to their CDMA-based network (with 3G technology) but to get their full LTE support it requires a SIM card.
Because of this, Sprint and Verizon devices released since roughly late 2013 have the potential - because they have SIM card slots - of being carrier unlocked. All Verizon devices come carrier unlocked with respect to the SIM card slot now because it was a part of the requirements they agreed to during the FCC bidding process to gain those new frequency allotments back in 2013 - you can go buy any Verizon phone right now, including the Droid Turbo (their flagship phone) and drop a SIM card in it from any other carrier and it'll work just fine without issues. It may not provide LTE support directly because of different LTE band/frequency support so that's what I'll explain below, just for the record, but it WILL work with any GSM SIM card right out of the box.
Sprint, however, wasn't bound by any such requirements and so their devices are not carrier unlocked but sometimes - please note I'm saying SOMETIMES they can be. The Sprint LG G2 is one of those times, and there are two basic ways to do it:
1) Either do all the necessary config/device adjustments to get the SIM card unlocked for use with GSM capabilities (very impractical solution and only useful if you absolutely refuse to use a custom ROM)
2) Use a custom ROM because all the work to unlock the SIM card slot for other carriers is already done for you by the developer of the ROM (or them using code that was ready to go). ROMs like CloudyG2 and others, once installed, offer the ability to use any GSM SIM card in the Sprint G2 without issues.
Having said that, the LTE aspect is where some have issues - Qualcomm "locks down" radio hardware based on the NV (non-volatile) firmware inside it and it's done that way based on the requirements the carrier sets forth. Sprint uses LTE bands (as noted in the post above) that are not directly compatible with T-Mobile's LTE bands - there's no overlap at all; if there were any overlap whatsoever you could feasibly get LTE to work with T-Mobile, but that's not the case with the Sprint G2.
The hardware in the phones is the same (with respect to the GSM capability and LTE falls under that umbrella), it's just that the radio hardware has been "locked down" to only use particular frequency bands. Theoretically it's possible to edit the NV and open up more bands (potentially supporting everything) but that's another thread altogether, literally, and has the side effect of potentially bricking the radio hardware if unsuccessful so people don't even bother with it.
Using the Sprint G2 with T-Mobile will get you HSPA+ capability that'll max out (theoretically) at 42 Mbps which is damned fast, plus HSPA+ offers better signal strength overall than LTE does and better building/structure penetration as well - and better battery life to some degrees (not like it was years ago when LTE hardware and software was truly unoptimized).
When I last had a G2 recently I was pulling about 38 Mbps down and 33 Mbps up in speed testing but I live like 2 blocks away from a T-Mobile cell site here in downtown Las Vegas with line-of-sight to the tower (no obstructions in between) and that's damned fast enough for me and most anyone. LTE is nice but it ain't everything...
Suffice to say if you have a Sprint G2 you're not limited to just using Sprint, obviously - but LTE support will only happen if you use a carrier that overlaps onto the LTE bands/frequencies that Sprint itself uses. That basically rules out any carrier in the US since the remaining carriers of the "big 4" (AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon) all end up reselling their network service to every other smaller carrier or MVNO - the other 3 carriers don't use the same LTE bands/frequencies so you'll have to be outside the US aka non-domestic to get LTE support. The Verizon G2 offers the potential to get LTE on T-Mobile because they do both share LTE Band 4 but it depends on the precise frequencies in use - more than likely you'll still end up with HSPA+ support more than LTE.
That should clear it up a bit for you...
ps
Next time perhaps take a look at the date of the last post in a thread - this was almost a year old since the last post so... things haven't really changed with respect to the Sprint G2 and LTE on T-Mobile; this info is found in other threads if you do some searching but hopefully you'll understand things better now with the info I provided.

Thanks a lot for all that info. I did check the date and made a new thread as well. I just figured to get more exposure this way.
I understand not much has changed judging by the date but was new to phones capable of CDMA and GSM so wasn't sure how they labeled the bands.
I've looked over the instructions for SIM unlocking and LTE band unlocking but none of those mentioned what bands were for CDMA and which for GSM or if there's any commonly labeled frequencies as the information on CDMA is just not as well laid out in sources I've found.
I remember there being much talk about how iPhone 5s didn't have native support band 41 LTE, which is the only LTE band in China so I'm surprised that there's no talk of use in China of the Sprint LG G2, which seemed to be the only mainstream phone that had band 41 before the Nexus 5 and iPhone 6. Hell, the Galaxy series still doesn't have it. It's also a pain to search for phones with band 41 LTE as China and apparently Uganda are the only countries that have it and sites like gsmarena don't have it as a filter option.

Which HSPA/UMTS band does the M9 unlocked US version support?

Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!

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urushiol said:
Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!
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Really dont know about it, but as far as i know you can flash radio bands anyways, so look for it on the web or this site, i use dev with no prblems at all in mexico with LTE. =D

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Really dont know about it, but as far as i know you can flash radio bands anyways, so look for it on the web or this site, i use dev with no prblems at all in mexico with LTE. =D
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Is that really true?
I am looking into getting the HTC One M9 through AT&T but may switch to T-Mobile in the future.
As such I want a phone that fully supports both networks ...
I found a thread that it is supposedly possible to flash the AT&T phone to support developer ROMs but I can't find any information whether it is possible to also change band support. According to GSM Arena the AT&T version of the phone also supports LTE band 4 and 12 (needed for T-Mobile) but it doesn't support VoLTE on band 12, nor does it have 3G AWS (1700/2100), though of course there is a T-Mobile version of the phone WITH support for all of those.
Can I simply flash my phone so that I can (a) use CM13/AOSP roms and (b) so that the radio uses the proper AT&T or T-Mobile bands and tech?

andTab said:
Is that really true?
I am looking into getting the HTC One M9 through AT&T but may switch to T-Mobile in the future.
As such I want a phone that fully supports both networks ...
I found a thread that it is supposedly possible to flash the AT&T phone to support developer ROMs but I can't find any information whether it is possible to also change band support. According to GSM Arena the AT&T version of the phone also supports LTE band 4 and 12 (needed for T-Mobile) but it doesn't support VoLTE on band 12, nor does it have 3G AWS (1700/2100), though of course there is a T-Mobile version of the phone WITH support for all of those.
Can I simply flash my phone so that I can (a) use CM13/AOSP roms and (b) so that the radio uses the proper AT&T or T-Mobile bands and tech?
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WELL I DONT BELIVE cm13/AOSP WOULD BE BEST OPTION I FLASHED DVEELOPER 2.11 AND OVER IT VIPERONE 3.5.0 (WWE BASE 2.10) ANS WORKS FINE, AFAIK.... TELCEL BANDS (MEXICO) ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ATT, ACTUALLY I FOLLOWED IN THE HTC M9 THREAD HOW TO CHANGE MY PHONE (ATT) TO DEVELOPER EVEN WHEN I HAVE TELCEL AND IT WORKED!!! =D YOU SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.

LLegion said:
WELL I DONT BELIVE cm13/AOSP WOULD BE BEST OPTION I FLASHED DVEELOPER 2.11 AND OVER IT VIPERONE 3.5.0 (WWE BASE 2.10) ANS WORKS FINE, AFAIK.... TELCEL BANDS (MEXICO) ARE FULLY COMPATIBLE AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS ATT, ACTUALLY I FOLLOWED IN THE HTC M9 THREAD HOW TO CHANGE MY PHONE (ATT) TO DEVELOPER EVEN WHEN I HAVE TELCEL AND IT WORKED!!! =D YOU SHOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)

OHH I SEE SORRY, WELL WHATEVER, YOU CAN FLASH RADIO BANDS AS WELL AND SUPPORT OTHER CARRIERS, JUST read here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/recovery-flashable-radio-zip-t3122983
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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and also check it on here... https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=32827

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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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What I am asking is very different: AT&T and T-Mobile DO NOT use the same bands (e.g. AWS for T-Mobile) nor the same tech (VoLTE on band 12)
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and also check it on here... https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=32827

All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!

urushiol said:
All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-6891.php
Google is your friend.
And in case you didn't notice: I was asking about AWS and VoLTE since LTE bands are the same.

urushiol said:
All this info is about LTE bands. I am curious about HSPA/UMTS bands. I would like to know what it supports out of the box, not what I can with mods.
Thanks!
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The T-mobile version of the M9 supports the most bands. The AT&T and Developer Edition are identical and are missing some bands needed for t-mobile LTE (Volte) support in some areas. Flashing different radios will not enable bands the phone does not have. Theirs more information in the T-mobile M9 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...-1-32-617-30-dev-edition-rom-tmobile-t3078315

andTab said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m9-6891.php
Google is your friend.
And in case you didn't notice: I was asking about AWS and VoLTE since LTE bands are the same.
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Thanks for the reply. I have checked GSM arena, plus anything else I could find on google. I don't see a listing for the unlocked/developer edition on this page. I see EMEA, Verizon, ATT and T-mobile.
And yes, sorry, I didn't realized there was an AWS for HSPA, i was just thinking about band 4 LTE on ATT which I think is AWS.

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The T-mobile version of the M9 supports the most bands. The AT&T and Developer Edition are identical and are missing some bands needed for t-mobile LTE (Volte) support in some areas. Flashing different radios will not enable bands the phone does not have. Theirs more information in the T-mobile M9 forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmo...-1-32-617-30-dev-edition-rom-tmobile-t3078315
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Thank you.
That's what I figured.
Sadly that means I won't get this phone.

Bump. Hoping someone can find a straight answer have been on the phone twice with HTC, even they can't provide a straight answer. I ever addressed them on twitter. No luck. Thanks in advance.

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urushiol said:
Found much conflicting info on HSPA band support for the US unlocked/developer model.
htc.com says it supports 3G UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz. But is also says it supports 4G LTE: FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,20,28, which is COMPLETELY wrong so i don't know if to trust htc.com.
Can anyone confirm the UMTS band support for this device? I am most interested in 900mhz UMTS because of trips to New Zealand where 900 mhz UMTS is often used.
Thanks!
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It's pretty difficult to find out info on band support, and I have no idea why. It should be readily available...
Anyway, have a look at this: http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/150813/9135276_21.PDF
Based on that, there are four models sold in the U.S., which are:
0PJA100 (which appears to be the AT&T version)
0PJA120 (which appears to be the TMO USA version)
0PJA200 (which appears to be the Sprint version)
0PJA300 (which appears to be the Verizon version)
The AT&T model supports the following: UMTS 850MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.
Now, that said, if you look on AT&T's site, they list their model as 0PJA110, so obviously either the FCC site is wrong or the AT&T site is wrong.
I happen to have the 0PJA110 model, which is also the Rogers model (so it would make sense that the AT&T version is 0PJA110 because Rogers and AT&T generally have the same devices, and their networks are generally the same frequencies). Based on HTC Canada's site, the Rogers model supports UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz.
Now, for the assumption: From what I have read (but I haven't personally confirmed), the unlocked and developer models are the same as the AT&T model. If that is indeed the case, then you have your answer: No UMTS 900MHz support the unlocked and/or developer models (in fact, not UMTS support on any U.S. model).

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Anyway, have a look at this: http://wireless.fcc.gov/hac_documents/150813/9135276_21.PDF
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I know this is a delayed followup, but I wanted to say thanks for this. I finally got HTC to confirm that UMTS 850MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz are the official specs for the US unlocked edition(which, oddly, is marked 0PJA110 on the back).
I am pushing them for a refund for false advertising. I was so concerned that these specs could be wrong before I purchased the phone, that I did a chat with HTC and they assured me the correct specs were UMTS 850MHz, 900MHz, 1700MHz, 1900MHz and 2100MHz. Once they confirmed these specs for me, I purchased the phone. Now they confirm they told me wrong. Very frustrating experience.
I am waiting to hear back about getting a refund. I am hoping the come through, this is crazy.