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I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!
Now that the bootloader is unlocked im going with the sensation but a lot of people seem to be going with the galaxy s II
i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.
theyau said:
i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.
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What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!
This might be some sort of sacrilege but I would to see an Android device with the same design ethos as the iPhone 4.
HTC Sensation looks closest but I'm done with Sense.
Galaxy S2 would edge it for me at the moment though.
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Maix27 said:
What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!
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it is expected in time for xmas or in january it is also going to be made by htc or lg, google hasn't desided yet
A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.
FlareHeart said:
A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.
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With locked bootloader it is practical impossible to install a custom rom.
Maix27 said:
Where next?
I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!
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Although you do not want it, a very good review of sgsII:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
The lg optimus speed p990 seems to be good, too.
If i were you, i would buy the sgsII or wait until the next htc-phone with as of now again unlocked bootloader releases and buy this one.
Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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I don't care about others because HTC still gives you your right of choice. You can still unlock your bootloader on the 10, via HtcDev, just like older HTC phones, and you can still s-off your phone via Sunshine. Or you can go ahead and skip HtcDev, and use sunshine for bootloader unlock and s-off at the same time. I was a little bit scared when I read all those posts about unlocking, but esentially, it's the same procedure as it always was for HTC phones. The only downside - Sunshine costs $25
Allen_B said:
Have been lurking and learning an incredible amount from XDA which has prompted me to make my 1st post in a question.
I am shopping for a replacement for my HTC One M7- updated it to 7.1.1 RR ROM and works GREAT but the battery is toast and want to upgrade vice tearing the M7 apart. Have been looking at a number of offerings including the pending Samsung S8 as a replacement but it seems most of the major players have completely locked their hardware, especially the bootloader. While this is not terrible in the near-term, I would prefer the option to option to tweak even with my limited knowledge.
This brings me to the HTC 10. It seems HTC is more responsive to customization and supports the developers. Am I reading this wrong or is HTC as bad as the rest? My reason for updating my M7 to 7.1.1 is the lack of support due to obsolescence but have to admit, I enjoy tweaking stuff. I'd like to the option to custom flash whatever I get if I choose now and in the future to extend obsolescence.
Thoughts on the HTC 10 or other current offerings?
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Google Pixel is an option as well.
Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit
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Google Pixel is an option as well.
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Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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RogerF81 said:
Or of course the OnePlus 3T. Essentially, for me, there are only 3 choices left for me when it comes to a new phone: HTC, Google Pixel and OnePlus. Why? Well, Huawei....never ever, there is always a lack of documentation, thus never any AOSP roms available. Sony? Quite nice phones, but too expensive, never convices me. Samsung? Of course, the S8 is great looking phone, but Samsung is not very developper friendly, that's a no-go for me. LG? I owned a G4, and had many problems, never again. ASUS? I have completely no experience about ASUS phones, but my girlfriend owns an ASUS laptop, and it's crap. Lenovo/Moto? Well ok, could be a choice. A friend owns the G4 Plus, and is very happy with it. But I haven't liked a Moto phone that much, that I would have considered to buy it. ZUK or ZTE? I guess not many developpers here on XDA own phones of these manufacters, so lack of support here on XDA, so would not get a a ZUK or ZTE phone (though the ZUK Z2 Pro and the ZTE Axon 7 look very impressive imo). So, what's left? The Google Pixel is a good phone, good dev support, but way too expensive imo. HTC is a bit....I don't know how to say it, but I think you can never be sure what to expect of HTC. For example, I only own the HTC 10 and had never a HTC device before. But I think the M7 and M8 were good phones (except of the cameras), the M9 was crap, the A9 looked ugly for me. In contrast to that, the 10 is a beast and I really love this phone! The HTC U Ultra is....nothing special. I mean, a glass back....really, HTC?! Then this "second" display, who needs that? A way too small battery as well. So this again didn't impress me. Now we have to wait for the HTC 11/HTC U or whatever. So, I'm a bit unsure about HTC. Last left is OnePlus. The 3T looks great, the dev support is exceptional, open source code, and the price is nearly unbeatable. Only downside I've heard of is the lack of service, but perhaps they can improve this in future. So, this is my opinion so far, I hope, this helps you a bit
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My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!
I've had the G5, S7 Edge, and now have the Pixel and the HTC 10. I can tell you right now, you don't have to look any further than the 10. The Pixel is nice and also has a great feel, but still feels delicate compared to the 10. I personally like everything about this phone. Especially, especially, if you are interested in any type of modifications. There is more development/developers/XDA Members available for info/help than any of the others. Easy decision in my mind.
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Allen_B said:
Like the Pixel but at the price point, would have thought it would be waterproof. Since I am an AT&T servant, is the bootloader locked down with the phones purchased directly from Google?
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I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.
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My good man, you really summed up my thoughts!
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Glad to hear :highfive:
Appreciate the input and confirmation on what I thought about HTC.
I admit I really like the looks S8 but after fighting (and quitting after frustrations) with unlocking the wife's S4 I am very weary of Samsung. I completely understand their thoughts but fundamentally disagree with it. Seems they would rather take the Apple business model. They want you locked in and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to develop an independent operating system altogether.
Not sure why I am not a fan of the Pixel- it is clean, fast and open. I guess it just looks too much like a iPhone; I'm not object to the iPhone (I carry one daily for work) but if that's what I wanted, I'd buy one.
Thanks again, perhaps I'll continue to nurse my old M7 along until the HTC 11 (or Ocean, or whatever) comes out or the Pixel 2...
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bluemooncityzen225 said:
... I just had to deal with this. No, phones purchased through google have unlocked bootloaders but devices purchased through Verizon or Best Buy had the bootloaders locked when they received the 7.1.1 update. And there is still no way to unlock it, so if you want to root, get the Google version.
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That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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Allen_B said:
That's what I figured. Since I'm on AT&T would go directly to the Play Store to purchase.... Thanks!
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I bought my Pixel on eBay, brand new and use it with T-Mobile. Paid $475. The version I have right now is a Verizon Pixel, but for the similar price you should be able to find Google Edition.
Is there a way to flash the stock Google firmware and then unlock the bootloader that way?
If not I'll just have to wait until someone makes a depixel 8 for oreo
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Is there a way to flash the stock Google firmware and then unlock the bootloader that way?
If not I'll just have to wait until someone makes a depixel 8 for oreo
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There is only one way, from now until the end of time, to unlock the bl of a Verizon Pixel. Sell it and buy a Google version.
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This irks me too. Not like some of us have a choice on which version we can get. ****ing Google man they are doing the same bull**** Microsoft has been doing these past few years.
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This irks me too. Not like some of us have a choice on which version we can get. ****ing Google man they are doing the same bull**** Microsoft has been doing these past few years.
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This was Verizon's decision.
thacounty said:
This was Verizon's decision.
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And it was Google's decision to bend over and take it from Verizon.
negativzeroe said:
And it was Google's decision to bend over and take it from Verizon.
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And it was your decision to get it from Verizon and not Google ;>
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And it was your decision to get it from Verizon and not Google ;>
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Not mine. Company plan is on the big V
:'(
However my wife is on Fi so I'll probably buy another from Google and swap with her. :good:
If you managed to get a Pixel with an older security update you would be able to. If you bought it NEW one, most likely it comes with the updated version.
I would suggest taking it back and buying it through the Google website.
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If you managed to get a Pixel with an older security update you would be able to. If you bought it NEW one, most likely it comes with the updated version.
I would suggest taking it back and buying it through the Google website.
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Guy just unlocked my Verizon pixel XL Oreo 8.1.0 look on Facebook his name is smail amzdak. He can do it. Message him.
How much did he charge you? How was it done?
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puum1527 said:
Guy just unlocked my Verizon pixel XL Oreo 8.1.0 look on Facebook his name is smail amzdak. He can do it. Message him.
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You're everywhere.
Yes I too have done the Unlock for my Verizon Pixel XL with Smail. Really nice and helpful guy. I gotta say to that his services are extremely cheap. Don't be scared to give him some extra dollars. The dude is awesome and his services is really quick. All you Verizon Pixel people that want unlock see him on Facebook. Oh and I was on the latest update of 8.1. go see him you won't be disappointed
Yes smali was awesome. He unlocked mine last night in about 20 mins or so. I'm now rooted, unlocked, TWRP, and running substratum theme engine. Gonna start building a "SLIM" rom soon.
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Yes I too have done the Unlock for my Verizon Pixel XL with Smail. Really nice and helpful guy. I gotta say to that his services are extremely cheap. Don't be scared to give him some extra dollars. The dude is awesome and his services is really quick. All you Verizon Pixel people that want unlock see him on Facebook. Oh and I was on the latest update of 8.1. go see him you won't be disappointed
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Yezir!... Took him about 20 minutes... Verizon Pixel unlocked!
Hi
It could be only my impression, but as I can see, there are only few developers that use this phone. Why? Are there any reasons?
Because it's beautiful...
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Hi
It could be only my impression, but as I can see, there are only few developers that use this phone. Why? Are there any reasons?
Because it's beautiful...
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It seems that this wasn't the most popular model of its generation. I guess everybody went for the most expensive handsets instead.
A shame, really. I quite like my XA1 and I don't regret getting it. But I might have to reconsider not getting a flagship phone next time I upgrade..
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Ticklefish said:
It seems that this wasn't the most popular model of its generation. I guess everybody went for the most expensive handsets instead.
A shame, really. I quite like my XA1 and I don't regret getting it. But I might have to reconsider not getting a flagship phone next time I upgrade..
Sent from my Sony Xperia XA1 using XDA Labs
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Actually , most new Xperia Sections are dead.
Not much development since stock is rock solid stable.
Yeah I think it too
i kinda regret rooting because then i could just take back to retailer, and refund under "not fit for purposes which it is intended", but hey, my mistake. i should have looked around more.
So bummed to be a Pixel owner these days. I don't know if there is a device running android with as little support as there is for the Sailfish. Do any of the Pixel XL custom ROM's also have a Pixel version? I like the phone but am getting so so bored with it. These dual boot partitions are pretty much the kiss of death for development activity, can't say I really blame devs who steer clear. Anyway, was just curious. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to ready the note from my little pity party. :silly:
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So bummed to be a Pixel owner these days. I don't know if there is a device running android with as little support as there is for the Sailfish. Do any of the Pixel XL custom ROM's also have a Pixel version? I like the phone but am getting so so bored with it. These dual boot partitions are pretty much the kiss of death for development activity, can't say I really blame devs who steer clear. Anyway, was just curious. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to ready the note from my little pity party. :silly:
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How long have you been an Android user? I don't know about you, but coming from eclair, it's come a looooong way. While I love custom roms on most devices, stock Android has gotten really good.
dictionary said:
How long have you been an Android user? I don't know about you, but coming from eclair, it's come a looooong way. While I love custom roms on most devices, stock Android has gotten really good.
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@dictionary - I've been on Android since my old HTC Aria (2010 - running eclair also). Yeah, stock is a pretty good experience these days. I just think that like a lot of users I was pretty excited about the prospects of Google putting out this phone, expecting it to be like the Nexus series. There are still some things missing, and I'm not a huge fan of Xposed modules to compensate. This is about the longest I've had a handset in about 5 years without switching, so I do like it. Anyway, think I'll just have to try a different phone next... or, I just get a cheaper, second device to satisfy my flashing whims.
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@dictionary - is been on Android since my old HTC Aria (2010 - running eclair also). Yeah, stock is a pretty good experience these days. I just think that like a lot of users I was pretty excited about the prospects of Google putting out this phone, expecting it to be like the Nexus series. There are still some things missing, and I'm not a huge fan of Xposed modules to compensate. This is about the longest I've had a handset in about 5 years without switching, so I do like it. Anyway, think I'll just have to try a different phone next... or, I just get a cheaper, second device to satisfy my flashing whims.
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I can agree to all that. Next device might be a One Plus build. I had the One Plus One, and actually loved it. Didn't have the screen or other issues others had. Their Dev community is pretty much Nexus One level, so you're covered there. Affordable too. Just pray you don't need to contact them directly lol
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I can agree to all that. Next device might be a One Plus build. I had the One Plus One, and actually loved it. Didn't have the screen or other issues others had. Their Dev community is pretty much Nexus One level, so you're covered there. Affordable too. Just pray you don't need to contact them directly lol
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I've wanted to try a OnePlus but I'm on Verizon. Pretty much none of those Chinese OEM's make CDMA variants of their phones. At least not ones that cover all the VZW LTE bands. The new Huwawei might come to VZW, but it's also priced as a flagship. I'm sort of hoping the Essential community picks up now that the device is basically being given away for a shave and a haircut considering its specs. Not 100% sure if they've followed the same dual boot partition scenario, I know that the Razer phone does. I might hold out to see what LG does. They're dropping the G line and rebranding their flagship.
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I've wanted to try a OnePlus but I'm on Verizon. Pretty much none of those Chinese OEM's make CDMA variants of their phones. At least not ones that cover all the VZW LTE bands. The new Huwawei might come to VZW, but it's also priced as a flagship. I'm sort of hoping the Essential community picks up now that the device is basically being given away for a shave and a haircut considering its specs. Not 100% sure if they've followed the same dual boot partition scenario, I know that the Razer phone does. I might hold out to see what LG does. They're dropping the G line and rebranding their flagship.
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I'd love an Essential Phone. If they come out with another device, and fix their pricing, they may be a contender. I honestly love the LG v30, but would only buy the unlocked version